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===April 22===
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==== [[Module:OldEnglishToIPA]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''no consensus'''<!-- Tfd top -->. Seems like there's room for improvement on this module and possibly a return to use in the original template. No prejudice against a renomination if it sits unused and/or unedited after a few months. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 23:15, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
* {{Tfd links|OldEnglishToIPA|module=Module:}}
Unused module, completely orphaned, hardcoded version of [[Template:MultiReplace]] anyway. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">has returned</sub>]] 20:45, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per nom. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 07:37, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. It serves a useful purpose, and it could be really nifty to use its functionality in {{tl|IPA-ang}} or other higher-level templates. I don't see how it can be compared to the module used by [[Template:MultiReplace]]: that is a generic string function module, this is a module that transcribes between Old English spelling and IPA. – [[User talk:Uanfala|Uanfala (talk)]] 09:56, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
*'''Provisional keep''', per Unafala, but it would need to actually be used for that (or some other) purpose; we should not keep a template around for another decade just on the theory that it could be used. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 22:44, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
* {{ping|Nardog}} Why did you [[Special:Diff/880024318|remove use of the module from the template]]? [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">has returned</sub>]] 22:59, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
**{{re|Pppery}} Because it wasn't used and didn't work. If it does, <code><nowiki>{{#invoke:OldEnglishToIPA|convert|Ænglisc}}</nowiki></code> should return "ˈæŋliʃ", <code><nowiki>{{#invoke:OldEnglishToIPA|convert|Beowulf}}</nowiki></code> should return "ˈbeːo̯wulf", and so on. But they return "Ænɣɫisk" and "Beowuɫv".
*:First of all, is Old English pronunciation completely predictable from spelling, even stress? [[Old English#Orthography]] only says it was "reasonably regular", and [[Old English Latin alphabet]] says "it had no standard orthography". Wiktionary has Lua-based templates that automatically convert spelling to IPA for languages whose orthography is phonemic such as [[wikt:Template:es-IPA|Spanish]], [[wikt:Template:it-IPA|Italian]], [[wikt:Template:pl-IPA|Polish]], [[wikt:Template:fi-IPA|Finnish]], and [[wikt:Template:ja-pron|Japanese]], but it doesn't have one for Old English. And even if such a template for Old English was feasible, I don't think it should be achieved through the existing template that accepts direct input. Perhaps such a template should—again, if feasible—replace [[Template:IPAc-ang]], which is scarcely used (and I don't know if the transcriptions produced by IPAc-ang are accurate; they lack stress for one thing, which makes me doubt it). [[User:Nardog|Nardog]] ([[User talk:Nardog|talk]]) 13:17, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
*:: {{ping|SMcCandlish|Uanfala}} Nardog has pointed out here that the module doesn't produce accurate transcriptions. Do you still feel that the module should be kept? [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">has returned</sub>]] 22:52, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
*::: I don't know really. Looking at the Beowulf example above: the module gives [ł], which is precisely what [[Old English phonology#Velarization]] would lead me to expect. It gets the [f] wrong though: and that appears to be down to the fact that the module seems to detect beginnings and ends of words by the presence of spaces: that's clearly wrong, and it can be  solved by tweaking the Lua "patterns" to use the beginning and end of string characters (^ and $). Now, I don't know enough about Old English spelling to tell whether it is amenable to straightforward mapping into pronunciation. If it is, then a module can in principle be expected to work reasonably well. In that case, we should keep this module as a starting point, to be available for interested users to improve and utilise as and when they see the need to. – [[User talk:Uanfala|Uanfala (talk)]] 13:40, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
*::Responding to ping, and reading the above: I'll stick with "provisional keep" for now, given that this is still being explored.  There's no deadline, and if this can be tweaked to perform properly, we have something useful (and possibly portable to Wiktionary, etc.), but if not then it's broken, not fixable, and should be deleted after all. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 23:13, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
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==== Seasonal rugby squad navboxes ====
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The result of the discussion was '''delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 00:08, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
* {{Tfd links|2014–15 Edinburgh Rugby Pro12 squad}}
* {{Tfd links|2015–16 Edinburgh Rugby Pro12 squad}}
* {{Tfd links|2015–16 Zebre Pro12 squad}}
* {{Tfd links|2016–17 Zebre Pro12 squad}}
* {{Tfd links|2014–15 Mogliano squad}}
This is navbox overkill. If a player had one of these navboxes for every season of their career, it would be an absolute mess at the bottom of their article. Squad navboxes should be for international tournaments like the Rugby World Cup and current international and club squads. – [[User:PeeJay2K3|Pee]][[User talk:PeeJay2K3|Jay]] 17:25, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per nom; only the current season should have a navbox or this would really be an overkill. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 07:37, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

* '''Delete''' per nom; serious overkill. [[User:Noq|noq]] ([[User talk:Noq|talk]]) 10:09, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I've found some more of these that should probably be deleted, but instead of adding them to this nomination, I will use whatever consensus we come to here to inform whether or not I nominate them for deletion as well. – [[User:PeeJay2K3|Pee]][[User talk:PeeJay2K3|Jay]] 12:51, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per nomination. Also '''Comment''' I think individual season ones are fine for title winning years (where there is an individual season article) for Premiership, Pro14, Top14, Champions Cup and Super Rugby, these are by default limited in number and worth recording.[[User:Skeene88|Skeene88]] ([[User talk:Skeene88|talk]]) 18:39, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
**I have to disagree about title-winning ones. We can have articles such as [[2018 Crusaders season]] for that exact reason (I'm actually surprised that article doesn't already exist!) – [[User:PeeJay2K3|Pee]][[User talk:PeeJay2K3|Jay]] 11:12, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
* '''Delete'''. Same rationale as the for the excessively detailed TV sub-series junk nominated April 23: we cannot have constant [[WP:TEMPLATEFORK]]s like this. Just a maintenance nightmare, a breeding ground for [[WP:CONLEVEL]] policy failures, and a confusing mess for readers. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 22:54, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
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==== [[Template:MUNI icon strip]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. —&thinsp;[[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]]&thinsp;<small>([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]])</small> 00:04, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
* {{Tfd links|MUNI icon strip}}
Unused. [[User:Useddenim|Useddenim]] ([[User talk:Useddenim|talk]]) 13:30, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per nom. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 07:37, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' as unused and as unlikely to ever be used in a way that doesn't transgress [[MOS:ICONS]]. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 22:45, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
* '''Delete''', the reasons I originally created it were reverted. [[User:Zzyzx11|Zzyzx11]] ([[User talk:Zzyzx11|talk]]) 21:44, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
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==== [[Template:New Regime (American band)]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. —&thinsp;[[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]]&thinsp;<small>([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]])</small> 03:53, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
* {{Tfd links|New Regime (American band)}}
This band's navigational template consists of two articles: the band's and one of its members' articles. These two articles already link to each other, so this navigational template has too few links, is unnecessary and [[WP:NENAN]]. [[User:Aspects|Aspects]] ([[User talk:Aspects|talk]]) 02:52, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per nom; two articles do not need a navigation template. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 07:37, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
*'''Delete'''. While the [[WP:NAVBOX]] guideline doesn't establish a hard limit, there's long-standing general consensus to not have navboxes for such a tiny number of articles.  Hatnotes and "See also" and (better yet) just in-context linking in the article body are much more sensible.  Call it a [[WP:NOT#BUREAUCRACY]] matter: we don't need something complicated when something simple will do. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 22:48, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
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==== Unused article assessment class templates ====
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The result of the discussion was '''delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. No opposition, reasonable arguments. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 23:12, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
* {{Tfd links|AN-Class}}
* {{s|{{Tfd links|GAN-Class}}}}
* {{s|{{Tfd links|FAC-Class}}}}
* {{Tfd links|FT-class}}
All of these templates are unused. I will go into more detail below why they are unlikely to be used, but I will start by noting none of them are recognized on the tables on [[Template:Grading scheme]].

{{tl|AN-Class}} is the only place on Wikipedia that references an assessment class called "AN class"; see the search results for {{sl|"AN-Class"||ns1|ns2|ns3|ns4|ns5|ns7|ns8|ns9|ns10|ns11|ns12|ns13|ns14|ns15|ns100|ns101|ns108|ns109|ns118|ns119|ns446|ns447|ns710|ns711|ns828|ns829|ns2300|ns2301|ns2302|ns2303}} ({{sl|"AN-Class"|mainspace|ns0}} and {{sl|"AN-Class"|filespace|ns6}} excluded because they're not discussion namespaces and they're full of unrelated content like [[AN class]]). {{small|Yes, I do know [[Help:Searching|the hyphens between words in quotation marks make no difference in search results and could be replaced by spaces]].}}

{{strike|{{tl|GAN-Class}} and {{tl|FAC-Class}} are unlikely to be used because [[WP:GAN]] and [[WP:FAC]] are nominations to be assessed, not assessments of quality themselves simply by merit of being nominated.}}

{{tl|FT-class}} has no use case because [[WP:Featured topic|Featured topic]]s are not applied to individual articles, but a designation given to collection of articles. Assessment classes are only relevant for individual articles. [[User:E to the Pi times i|<span style="color:red">e<sup>π''i''</sup></span>]] ([[User talk:E to the Pi times i|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]] &#124; [[Special:Contribs/E to the Pi times i|<span style="color:blue">contribs</span>]]) 01:49, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

* {{tl|GAN-Class}} is used in cases such as [[User:Iazyges/Kriegsmarine Destroyers]] when creating worklists. It tends to only be used temporarily while the article is awaiting review, hence why it isn't used as much as others. I still think it's useful. No thoughts on the others. <small>(not [[Help:Watchlist|watching]], please <code>{{tl|ping}}</code>)</small> <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 02:08, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
*:Your same argument would also apply to {{tl|FAC-Class}}. I did forgot about the Iazyges subpage transclusion, though I'll note the one transclusion currently there is outdated. [[User:E to the Pi times i|<span style="color:red">e<sup>π''i''</sup></span>]] ([[User talk:E to the Pi times i|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]] &#124; [[Special:Contribs/E to the Pi times i|<span style="color:blue">contribs</span>]]) 02:31, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
*:{{ping|czar}} I have removed {{tl|GAN-Class}} and {{tl|FAC-Class}} from the nomination based on you pointing out how they can be useful in other contexts I didn't consider. [[User:E to the Pi times i|<span style="color:red">e<sup>π''i''</sup></span>]] ([[User talk:E to the Pi times i|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]] &#124; [[Special:Contribs/E to the Pi times i|<span style="color:blue">contribs</span>]]) 03:04, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
* '''Delete AN, FT''', per nom.  '''Keep GAN, FAC''', per Czar and per E to the Pi times i. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 22:52, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
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==== [[Template:GAN link/core]] ====
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The result of the discussion was '''delete'''<!-- Tfd top -->. —&thinsp;[[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]]&thinsp;<small>([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]])</small> 01:35, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
* {{Tfd links|GAN link/core}}
It was deprecated in 2016 by {{u|Mr. Stradivarius}} in [[Special:Diff/755078860]], and is no longer used or needed. [[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 00:36, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
*'''Delete''': Unused templates that have been replaced by a module do not need to be retained. [[User:E to the Pi times i|<span style="color:red">e<sup>π''i''</sup></span>]] ([[User talk:E to the Pi times i|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]] &#124; [[Special:Contribs/E to the Pi times i|<span style="color:blue">contribs</span>]]) 03:12, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per nom. --[[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 07:37, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', as superseded by a more useful module. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 22:50, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
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