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== I need help. ==

How to put buttons in your user page? (I've seen others put buttons on their user page.) My user page: [[User:VictorPeden]]. [[User:VictorPeden|VictorPeden]] ([[User talk:VictorPeden|talk]]) 16:15, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

:Gave help on Discord and directed them to {{tl|clickable button}}. Consider this as answered. Best, '''[[User:A09|<span style="color:#004d99">A09</span>]]'''<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:A09|<span style="color:#004d99">(talk)</span>]] 16:21, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

== Editing assistance ==

I need to know what is wrong with this submission. A general denial isnt helpful [[Draft:Kenyon Dixon]] [[User:Monniejaym|Monniejaym]] ([[User talk:Monniejaym|talk]]) 19:39, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

:Hello and welcome.  I might suggest that you ask the reviewer directly to elaborate on the reasons for their decline if you are unclear- but I can say that interviews do not establish notability. They can be used for other purposes, but not that. YouTube is not an acceptable source as there is no editorial oversight(unless it is from a reputable media outlet on their verified channel). [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 19:41, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
::{{u|Monniejaym}}, the quote on the draft is {{tpq|Interviews are not independent sources, YouTube is not a reliable source and Soundcloud is a primary source.}} That is not general. It is quite specific. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 19:46, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

== Getting a Wikipedia Page Published ==

Can anyone help me directly with getting a wikipedia page publsihed? the page is for Mentalist & Magician 'Kevin Hamdan' and the Draft page is https://w.wiki/AodT [[User:Lucasis7o|Lucasis7o]] ([[User talk:Lucasis7o|talk]]) 21:08, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
:{{u|Lucasis7o}} I've added the appropriate information to [[Draft:Kevin Hamdan]] to allow you to submit your draft article. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 21:12, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, Lucasis7o, and welcome to the Teahouse. 
:Creating a new article is the most difficult task there is for a new editor. {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}}
:Almost all the sources cited in your draft are not independent of Hamdan. {{HD/WINI}}
:Writing an article ''starts'' by finding several sources each of which is all three of reliably published (no social media, blogs, wikis), independent of the subject (not written or published by them or their associates, or based on an interview or press release) and containing significant coverage of the subject: see [[WP:42|42]]. Unless you can find several such sources, then Hamdan does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for [[WP:Notability|Notability]], and no article is possible. If you can find the sources, then write a summary of what those sources say - not what you know, or what Hamdan or his associates say or want to say. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 21:15, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
::{{u|Lucasis7o}}, your draft is full of violations of the [[WP:NPOV|Neutral point of view]], which is a core content policy. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 00:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

== Sockpuppet ==

I don't know how to report sockpuppetry. {{U|Courcelles}} reverted [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Irreligion_in_Bangladesh&diff=prev&oldid=1200500627 this] edit by {{noping|Inteqaam}} and {{noping|Barbardo}}, sockpuppets of {{noping|Arsi786}} and the same has been added back by {{noping|Fazzyk}}; see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Irreligion_in_Bangladesh&diff=prev&oldid=1200500627 this diff]. With [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world&diff=prev&oldid=1223432067 this diff] you can see that he has removed what {{noping|Barbardo}} another sockpuppet of {{noping|Arsi786}} had objected to earlier on the Talk page of the same article - see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world&diff=prev&oldid=1176118855 this]. Please  report him/her for sockpuppetry,  request  chwck user and revert his edits.-[[User:Sockbuster1|Sockbuster1]] ([[User talk:Sockbuster1|talk]]) 12:27, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

:Report sockpuppetry at [[WP:SPI|Sockpuppet Investigations]]. [[User:Sungodtemple|Sungodtemple]] ([[User talk:Sungodtemple|talk]] &#8226; [[Special:Contributions/Sungodtemple|contribs]]) 13:08, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
::{{re|Sungodtemple}} That page is semi-protected, so please  do the  needful (reporting this sockpuppet)13:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
:::(The OP has apparently been able to submit the report themself - [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Arsi786]]) - [[Special:Contributions/57.140.16.8|57.140.16.8]] ([[User talk:57.140.16.8|talk]]) 14:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
::And in an ironic twist, the OP has been blocked indefinitely for sockpuppetry. [[User:CodeTalker|CodeTalker]] ([[User talk:CodeTalker|talk]]) 00:57, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

== violat ion ==

The February 7 and 6 versions of [[Draft:Bonin Sandalwood]] is a copyright violation of [https://amindfulray.com/the-enigmatic-world-of-sandalwood-exploring-varieties-of-the-santalum-family/] [[Special:Contributions/122.56.85.105|122.56.85.105]] ([[User talk:122.56.85.105|talk]]) 23:33, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
: Which isn't particularly a problem, as your edits have fixed that. You could seek [[WP:REVDEL]] if you really feel it necessary. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 23:39, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
::I've deleted the relevant edits. [[User:Elli|Elli]] ([[User_talk:Elli|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Elli|contribs]]) 02:47, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

== History of Constantinople ==

In [[History of Constantinople]], there's this text: <code><nowiki>but was defeated by the [[Rus'–Byzantine War (941)|Byzantine squadron a]]<nowiki/>t the entrance to the Bosphorus with the help of "Greek fire".</nowiki></code>

I've never seen this before. What exactly is that <code><nowiki><nowiki/></nowiki></code> doing?. I'm guessing it's there because of the special character in the article title. Could someone explain?

Thanks [[Special:Contributions/76.14.122.5|76.14.122.5]] ([[User talk:76.14.122.5|talk]]) 23:21, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

:Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. I have removed it, but it was one half of a set of codes which prevent a text markup link functioning as a link, but forces the page to simply show it as plain text. The articles appears to have been a recent translation from another language, and possibly there's still a lot of cleanup to be done. If you click 'edit source' next to the title of your post here, you'll see the Source Code markup, and hopefully the cause of these two links orking differently:   <nowiki>1) [[Help:Wikitext]]</nowiki> and 2) [[Help:Wikitext]]. 
:Quite why the slash was at the end of that nowiki command - rather than in front of it - I am not sure.  Regards, [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 23:47, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
:My guess is that the tag was added by someone using the Visual Editor who tried to turn the text {{Code|Byzantine squadron at}} into a link but only selected {{Code|Byzantine squadron a}} (without the {{Code|t}}) before clicking a button to add the link. Because of how wikilinks render, without the <code><nowiki><nowiki/></nowiki></code>, the entire {{Code|Byzantine squadron at}} would become a link, so Visual Editor inserted the tag to prevent that.
:* <code><nowiki>[[article|squadron a]]<nowiki/>t</nowiki></code> → [[article|squadron a]]<nowiki/>t (the {{Code|t}} isn't linked)
:* <code><nowiki>[[article|squadron a]]t</nowiki></code> → [[article|squadron a]]t (the {{Code|t}} ''is'' linked)
:I believe this is a simple case of a computer following along with some minor human error.{{pb}}As for why the slash is toward the end of the tag, @[[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]], in HTML, <code><nowiki><tag/></nowiki></code> is equivalent to <code><nowiki><tag></tag></nowiki></code>; it just represents both the opening and closing tags with nothing in between. [[User:Bsoyka|<span style="color:#fff;background:#055;padding:.2em">'''Bsoyka'''</span>]] (<i>[[User talk:Bsoyka|t]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Bsoyka|c]] &bull; [[User:Bsoyka/Guestbook|g]]</i>) 00:02, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Bsoyka|Bsoyka]] Ah, OK, thanks for that explanation. [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 00:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks to both for your help [[Special:Contributions/76.14.122.5|76.14.122.5]] ([[User talk:76.14.122.5|talk]]) 03:02, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

== Policy on inviting uninvolved editors and admins to an AfD discussion ==

Hi wikipedia colleagues,
I am spending more time on AfD discussions and have a question about policy.
What is the policy on inviting uninvolved editors and admins to an open AfD discussion that has been re-listed to gain more voices? [[User:Rockycape|Rockycape]] ([[User talk:Rockycape|talk]]) 23:01, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Rockycape|Rockycape]]: Welcome to the Teahouse! I would avoid directly inviting people who aren't involved/interested in the article, as it can have the appearance of biased canvassing, which is [[Wikipedia:Canvassing|not accepted]]. Take a look at {{Slink|Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion#After_nominating:_Notify_interested_projects_and_editors}} for appropriate alternative methods of notifying involved/interested editors. Hope this helps give a little clarity, and happy editing! [[User:Bsoyka|<span style="color:#fff;background:#055;padding:.2em">'''Bsoyka'''</span>]] (<i>[[User talk:Bsoyka|t]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Bsoyka|c]] &bull; [[User:Bsoyka/Guestbook|g]]</i>) 23:16, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks @[[User:Bsoyka|Bsoyka]] [[User:Rockycape|Rockycape]] ([[User talk:Rockycape|talk]]) 00:09, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:::{{u|Rockycape}}, I am an an administrator and when administrators express an opinion at an AfD, they are acting as ordinary editors with no special power or influence. Administrators do not appreciate any attempt to canvas them. Only when it is time to close an AfD debate do administrators exercise their powers at AfD. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 02:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Thanks @[[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] [[User:Rockycape|Rockycape]] ([[User talk:Rockycape|talk]]) 03:20, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

== on doing reckless acts regarding other users ==

oh boy, time to request the eyes of admins (or at least more experienced users) on a matter that "doesn't seem like active vandalism, trolling, or bad-faith conduct, but does seem like a newer user unwilling to act in a collaborative environment"!

what would be the preferable venue for cases where someone seems to be trying to [[Wikipedia:Gaming the system|game the system]] by creating a ruleset of their own and expecting the site to adapt to it? i feel like it could be a little early for [[Wikipedia:Ani|ani]], [[Wikipedia:Aiv|aiv]] would be actively unfitting, and [[Wikipedia:An|an]] would quite possibly be one of the options available '''[[User:Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">cogsan</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">(nag me)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">(stalk me)</span>]]</sub>''' 20:38, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Cogsan|Cogsan]] If you'd link to a diff or something that lets us know the user whose edits you're a bit worried by, that'd be helpful (I can't easily see what you're referring to by going through all your own recent contributions, I'm afraid; there are too many) 
:Obviously. [[WP:CIR]] applies to everyone. If you can politely explain to a user where they're repeatedly going wrong, and keep reverting and alerting them to future issues on their talk page, then we build up a 'case history' of an editor trying to helpfully steer a user, and an admin can drop by and add to that concern if necessary. A new user might not appreciate the significance of [[WP:ANI]] and, you're right, sometimes that seems a bit heavy-handed and offputting for someone who might be acting in good faith, but making a real mess of things.  
:So, if 1-2-1 gentle communication fails to change their ways, I'd suggest (using Twinkle if you wish) considering working up through the {{tlx|uw-disruptive}} templates. Disruptive editing doesn't have to be vandalism, but non-collaborative editing can be very disruptive if it's allowed to continue. Hopefully, some of this helps. Regards, [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 21:12, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
::the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2toastygram&curid=77458655&diff=1237636611&oldid=1237628919 diff] and the very next one are the big examples of what i believe is a case of [[Wikipedia:Idht|idht]]
::that aside, got it, it seems the best solution for now would be to just give them time. they seem to have at least managed to make the signature fit (from my analysis, it's exactly 255 characters), so... eh '''[[User:Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">cogsan</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">(nag me)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">(stalk me)</span>]]</sub>''' 22:06, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
:::eh, that's really nbd, aside from screaming "underage editor" at top volume. So long as they're not screwing things up outside of their userspace I see no reason for any action at all. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 22:11, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
:I think I can guess what you're talking about. Unless they actually leave their own userspace, I'd just wait for them to get bored and move on. Ideally they will soon, whether they're a troll or an overly-enthusiastic kid. Unless their sandbox crosses the line into [[WP:harassment]]- even good faith harassment can be taken to ANI. [[WP:UNOT]] might be more relevant than the disruptive editor templates. [[User:GreenLipstickLesbian|GreenLipstickLesbian]] ([[User talk:GreenLipstickLesbian|talk]]) 21:45, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Cogsan|Cogsan]] Yes, having now taken a look, I'm really not at all bothered at this stage in what I see. New editors - and especially young editors - like to play around on their user pages and, TBH, it can be a good way for some to learn how to edit without causing problems elsewhere. AFAICR, I have only ever felt the need to remove editing rights from a couple of new users in the last 4 years, but only after checking back in on their activities over a few weeks ''and'' after having gently warned them about being [[WP:NOTHERE]], as well as asking them what their plans for genuinely contributing to this encyclopaedia are, and offering help. Having explained the consequences of continuing just to mess about in userspace could be, only then would I take more drastic action if I saw no change in editing behaviour. 
::Just as with any user whose editing rationale you might be uncertain about, do keep a watching eye on them - but not to the extent of harassing them over every silly edit in their own userspace. Awful signatures don't become much of an issue until they start posting on other talk pages, so I'd suggest giving them some leeway. What GLL and AS said above is spot on. [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 23:26, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
:::the signature being "awful" or not wasn't the problem, it was having to manually add it and then the time any given comment was written, which they did using a time zone not related to utc (though it seems theirs would be utc-4), resulting in some malformed comments that couldn't be replied to with the reply tool (at least not without [[Wikipedia:Convenient Discussions|convenient discussions]], though i'm not sure that would have helped much if the time didn't display at all on my end), as seen in a thread above
:::that aside, yeah, i don't think this situation ''will'' escalate past their userspace '''[[User:Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">cogsan</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">(nag me)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">(stalk me)</span>]]</sub>''' 00:58, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
:I think the user in question may be a sockpuppet of [[User:McPanthers Employee]]. On their userpage is a mention of a commons account called Moosebag12 which is extremely close to [[User:Moosebag10]], a confirmed sock of McPanthers Employee. I'm not remotely experienced enough to feel comfortable submitting a sockpuppet investigation, in fact I worry this message may even be out of line. But I find the similarity in related usernames and editing style to be more than a coincidence. [[User:LaffyTaffer|LaffyTaffer]] ([[User talk:LaffyTaffer|talk]]) 20:37, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
::i did some looking and their commons account is... blocked as [[Wikipedia:Nothere|nothere]], and there were a few other currently unblocked "moosebag[number]"s. as it currently stands, i'm not currently planning on being the one to report them, but i won't be surprised if someone does
::kinda wish this didn't shine a more negative light on their habit of messing with or removing signatures (and ''un''funny vandalism on my sandbox, come on!!), but i probably shouldn't do much besides being a pedantic ass about those things '''[[User:Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">cogsan</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">(nag me)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">(stalk me)</span>]]</sub>''' 20:47, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
:::The editor concerned has now been blocked. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 07:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

== Draft: Peter Hawkins ==

Can anyone help provide further thoughts on what might need to be added/edited to this article I have drafted: [[Draft:Peter Hawkins]]

Many thanks,

Dan [[User:Danrydehawkins|Danrydehawkins]] ([[User talk:Danrydehawkins|talk]]) 11:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

:Yes: references to [[WP:RS|reliable sources]], completely independent of Hawkins, that provide intelligent descriptions of or commentary on Hawkins and his work. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 12:01, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks. I feel like this is already the case? Can you point to exactly where this is failing. Much appreciated! [[User:Danrydehawkins|Danrydehawkins]] ([[User talk:Danrydehawkins|talk]]) 15:02, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Are you related to Peter Hawkins?
:::You've done a great job summarizing his activities and work- but not significant coverage of him in independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] that describe what they see as important/significant/influential about him, how he is [[WP:NAUTHOR|a notable author]] or more broadly a [[WP:BIO|a notable person]]. Most of your sources seem to be associated with him. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:36, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
:I've checked the first five sources cited, and they're all written by Hawkins or his employers.  We need ''independent'' sources. And I while I get the impression from your draft that he's very good at expressing his views, it would help to have evidence that people sometimes listen to them. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 20:49, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
::Many thanks. I've removed some parts and updated citations to more independent sources.  [[User:Danrydehawkins|Danrydehawkins]] ([[User talk:Danrydehawkins|talk]]) 08:20, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

== How do we know if someone is a "sockpuppet?" ==

I recently ran across an editor with less than 75 edits. Based on their edit summaries, they seem to have always understood Wikipedia "shorthand," if you will. I also noticed the edits seem very style-oriented and less about correction of facts. To me, that seems like a more experienced editor. However, I may be wrong. Is it fairly common for some to edit in that way from the start? I will note, my suspicion is entirely an impression, not based on any concrete evidence. So, my question is basically this, how are "sockpuppets" discovered?

Thank you, [[User:TanRabbitry|TanRabbitry]] ([[User talk:TanRabbitry|talk]]) 09:56, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:TanRabbitry|TanRabbitry]] I will say initially that heading straight for assuming they're a sockpuppet may not be the best idea. Generally speaking, sockpuppets are found via behaviour, not by the quality of their editing. I'll get into that in a bit.
:Some people edit for a good while as an IP editor, giving them plenty of experience for when they register. Some simply decide to remain as an IP editor and never make an account. Other newer editors may have a job which makes it easier to get used to the way Wikipedia does things (copyediting or a job that works with citations a lot).
:For a continuation on how sockpuppets are '''''usually ''''' discovered, obvious puppetmasters tend to have similar behaviours to their socks, such as vandalising specific pages or groups of pages in (usually) a pretty similar manner, making them easy to identify. A certain modus operandi, if you will.
:Others give up their nature more or less voluntarily by having a very low edit count and going "oh this specific editor that I have no logical reason to know got blocked, why did that happen?" or "why did this specific editor get blocked and this other one didn't?" [[User:CommissarDoggo|<b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b>]]''[[User talk:CommissarDoggo|<sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?</sup>]]'' 10:16, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

== How can I create my company page? ==

I have created my company page with the name of Guinness Press but it got decliend I need some experts help to create my company page. Can you help me with it?

[[User:Basitnasim39|Basitnasim39]] ([[User talk:Basitnasim39|talk]]) 08:27, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

:{{u|Basitnasim39}} Hello and welcome. First, you must make the Wikipedia Terms of Use-required [[WP:PAID|paid editing disclosure]]. This is mandatory. If you've been asked to be here, please read [[WP:BOSS]] and have your superiors read it too.
:You don't create a "company page" because we don't have company pages here.  We have '''articles about''' topics, including companies.  Those articles are typically written by independent editors wholly unconnected with the topic, and summarize what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] say about [[WP:ORG|companies that meet our special definition of a notable company]]. Wikipedia is not a place for companies to tell about themselves and what they do.  Wikipedia wants to know what others say about a company and what makes it important/significant/influential as the sources see it, not as the company itself sees it. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 08:34, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::After declaring paid, remove all hyperlinks from [[Draft:Guinness Press]]. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 12:41, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

== I want my name George Kwaku Nti and my biography and my picture to appear of Wikipedia ==

I want my personal profile and biography to be on Wikipedia when someone search my name. How do I do it?  [[User:George K. Nti|George K. Nti]] ([[User talk:George K. Nti|talk]]) 13:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:George K. Nti|George K. Nti]]: Welcome to the Teahouse! Please read through [[WP:FAMOUS|this page]], which explains why an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. I'm also not sure you meet our [[WP:NBIO|notability standards for biographies]] based on a quick search, which would make you ineligible for an article anyway. [[User:Bsoyka|<span style="color:#fff;background:#055;padding:.2em">'''Bsoyka'''</span>]] (<i>[[User talk:Bsoyka|t]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Bsoyka|c]] &bull; [[User:Bsoyka/Guestbook|g]]</i>) 13:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::Explanation on your Talk page as to why your effort was Speedy deleted. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 14:47, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

== Unable to move my article from Sandbox to main page ==

I have created a page for my own self but I am not able to move my article from sandbox to the mainpage.  [[User:Archana Kapoor|Archana Kapoor]] ([[User talk:Archana Kapoor|talk]]) 11:55, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

:Already answered at {{slink|Wikipedia:Help_desk#Unable_to_move_my_article_from_Sandbox_to_main_page}}. [[User:Rotideypoc41352|Rotideypoc41352]] ([[User talk:Rotideypoc41352|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Rotideypoc41352|contribs]]) 12:16, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::If you succeed in moving it, it will be nominated for deletion for major flaws. Remove all hyperlinks. Create real references. Read [[WP:AUTO]] for advice to people trying to create am article about themselves. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 12:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Your draft was Speedy deleted and your account indefinitely blocked. You can appeal the block, but if you succeed, I strongly advise against any effort to create an article about yourself. If you are sufficiently famous in your career, in time a person with no connection to you may decide to submit a draft about you. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 14:50, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

== Louisville Intl Airport (SDF) reference cleanup ==

Hello and good day. Go to reference #3, where it states the acreage of SDF Airport. I cant seem to make a clean entry here. It goes to Form 5010, but its not clean in the Reference section. Having problems here, need help. Thanks for your help.[[User:Theairportman33531|Theairportman33531]] ([[User talk:Theairportman33531|talk]]) 16:22, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Theairportman33531|Theairportman33531]] I've now fixed the issue, there was a refname hidden in the source editing which had FAA on it, I've not used it much personally so I don't particularly know what the issue was but it was messing with the citation. You should now be able to edit the cite to your liking. [[User:CommissarDoggo|<b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b>]]''[[User talk:CommissarDoggo|<sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?</sup>]]'' 16:29, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

== Trying to limit sources ==

Currently, I'm trying to bring [[Letterpress (video game)|this article]] to FA status. One problem is that there are too many citations in the gameplay section. How can I solve this? Thanks, [[User:TrademarkedTWOrantula|<span style="color: darkgreen"><span style="font-family: Georgia">TWOrantula</span></span>]]<sup><small>TM</small></sup> <small>([[User talk:TrademarkedTWOrantula|enter the web]])</small> 00:14, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

:I don't really understand the problem here - simply remove the unnecessary ones. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 04:27, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, but which ones can be considered "unnecessary"? [[User:TrademarkedTWOrantula|<span style="color: darkgreen"><span style="font-family: Georgia">TWOrantula</span></span>]]<sup><small>TM</small></sup> <small>([[User talk:TrademarkedTWOrantula|enter the web]])</small> 04:45, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Wherever there is more than one citation on a single sentence, the extra ones are probably unnecessary. Don't just randomly remove extra ones; check which are the most useful, make sure they verify the content, and remove the others. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 04:51, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:::The sole purpose of a citation in Wikipedia is to provide a way for a reader to verify a piece of information in the article: nothing else. More citations which verify the same information as the first are a waste of everybody's time - unless one of them is of better quality (eg, more clearly reliable), in which case the first one is pointless. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 15:58, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::::I wouldn't say that's the ''sole'' purpose - often, they're used to show notability, not simply to verify content. But for an article that's going to GA/FA status, that's not relevant. If it's notable, and the article is complete enough to pass GA, you won't need any "showing notability" footnotes. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 16:53, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

== Adding images to Wikipedia articles without fear of account suspension/deletion: ==
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| result = This is not going anywhere productive. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 16:54, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
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I'm relatively new here and I was wondering how I can add an image without worrying about the copyright and that legal stuff. I want to make sure I add the right image and learn how to put certain tags or image credit. I don't want to worry about my account getting suspended/deleted due to a copyright infraction, any way for some help on this?

[[Sean Michael Kyer]] [[User:ILoveDenpaMen48|ILoveDenpaMen48]] ([[User talk:ILoveDenpaMen48|talk]]) 04:17, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

:[[WP:FFU|Files for Upload]] is a noticeboard that lets experienced editors review and upload images for you. I would recommend submitting a request there so someone else can check it out. Otherwise, consider reading [[Wikipedia:How to upload a photo|this guide]] and the [[WP:Upload Wizard|Upload Wizard]] should guide you through the process. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 04:25, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks! I'll look into this as soon as I can! [[User:ILoveDenpaMen48|ILoveDenpaMen48]] ([[User talk:ILoveDenpaMen48|talk]]) 04:27, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:ILoveDenpaMen48|ILoveDenpaMen48]] Default assumption: Any random pic you find online (like imdb or his instagram) is probably copyrighted and can't be used on WP or Commons. ''You'' can upload pics of Sean Michael Kyer you have ''taken yourself with your own camera'', and so can other people. Like Sean Michael Kyer. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 07:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::At the end of the day, it's just an image! HE'S A CELEBRITY! SO HOW THE HECK I'M A GONNA GET A PICTURE OF HIM IF WE'RE IN 2 COMPLETELY DIFFERENT COUNTRIES!?!? [[User:ILoveDenpaMen48|ILoveDenpaMen48]] ([[User talk:ILoveDenpaMen48|talk]]) 14:32, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:ILoveDenpaMen48|ILoveDenpaMen48]]: At the end of the day, it's an important legal consideration, not {{!tq|just an image}}. Maybe you're not personally going to be able to take a photo of him, but that doesn't give Wikipedia or its contributors the legal right to infringe on someone's copyrighted hard work by stealing a random photo from the Internet. This isn't something you'll be able to brush off or ignore. Alternatively, see [[WP:REQPHOTO]] for a guide to adding a photo request to an article for other Wikipedians who ''are'' in the right area. [[User:Bsoyka|<span style="color:#fff;background:#055;padding:.2em">'''Bsoyka'''</span>]] (<i>[[User talk:Bsoyka|t]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Bsoyka|c]] &bull; [[User:Bsoyka/Guestbook|g]]</i>) 14:49, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::::IT IS! [Polemic excised] [[User:ILoveDenpaMen48|ILoveDenpaMen48]] ([[User talk:ILoveDenpaMen48|talk]]) 15:05, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::::: {{Ping|ILoveDenpaMen48}} If you keep that up, you wil be blocked from editing. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 16:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::[Polemic excised] WOOHOO! [[User:ILoveDenpaMen48|ILoveDenpaMen48]] ([[User talk:ILoveDenpaMen48|talk]]) 16:37, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::Wait! No! That's my sister! I don't at ALL condone her behavior! I plead sorry deeply in my behalf! Although I am a Trump supporter, I don't push my opinions on other people! [[User:ILoveDenpaMen48|ILoveDenpaMen48]] ([[User talk:ILoveDenpaMen48|talk]]) 16:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Please see [[WP:LITTLESISTER]], then explain the content on your talk page that replicates that sort of outburst twice with a difference of several months, not to mention saying to another editor in an edit summary [[special:diff/1227160592|two months ago]] {{tq|"SCREW YOU! DON'T DO MY JOB FOR ME! KISS MY ASS! GO READ "To Kill a Mockingbird" YOU LAZY BUM!"}} [[User:CommissarDoggo|<b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b>]]''[[User talk:CommissarDoggo|<sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?</sup>]]'' 16:49, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:::If you can't, then you can't. Improve WP some other way. Maybe someone will be able to get a pic of him we can use at some point. And if not, that's fine too, google is not far away. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 15:30, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Ok! I decided to give and leave this dirty work to someone else! [[User:ILoveDenpaMen48|ILoveDenpaMen48]] ([[User talk:ILoveDenpaMen48|talk]]) 16:36, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}

== User reverting good faith edits ==

Hello

Not sure where to ask this but came here for advice.

I made good faith edits on the [[Miss Universe 2024]] page last night, following instructions and what has been done before, and a particular user of ONE month, decided to take umbridge and kept reverting.  I left a perfectly polite message on their talk page and there responses, I feel, are uncalled for.

Could an admin or a more experienced user take a look and advise if there is anything I can do in regards to harassment/bullying.  Of course, I appreciate and welcome constructive criticism .

Kindest regards
[[User:Heidi bradshaw|Heidi bradshaw]] ([[User talk:Heidi bradshaw|talk]]) [[User:Heidi bradshaw|Heidi bradshaw]] ([[User talk:Heidi bradshaw|talk]]) 13:54, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

:[[User:Heidi bradshaw|Heidi bradshaw]] T931201 is being reasonable, I think. Don't use a seniority argument to prove your point. There is also no such thing as 'authorization' to perform an edit. [[User:Sungodtemple|Sungodtemple]] ([[User talk:Sungodtemple|talk]] &#8226; [[Special:Contributions/Sungodtemple|contribs]]) 14:29, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
::Appreciate your reply but why is it that when a contest is about to happen, another user will add the flagicon for a country, to save time during a later edit etc, and they don’t get pulled up on it?  I’ve seen this so many times and never seen such ‘harassment’.  But I digress.  Thankyou for your reply. [[User:Heidi bradshaw|Heidi bradshaw]] ([[User talk:Heidi bradshaw|talk]]) 14:38, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
:::I have failed to figure out what the argument is about. But your edit summary "Please look at your talk page for a note that was left for you. Persistent undoing of experienced editors can result in restrictions. DO NOT UNDO AGAIN." is unlikely to sway anyone. It fails to make clear (to me anyway) who "you" is, it implies that your seniority gives you more rights than other users, and it's shouty. If you have a good case to make, there are better ways. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 14:59, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
:Your messages on [[User:T931201]]'s talk page are not acceptable and you appear to have neglected to notify them of this discussion, Please read and abide by [[WP:AGF]] and [[WP:DR]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 15:56, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
:I am sure you have made good faith edits, but reasoning "this allows for easier editing, once the pageant has been completed" flatly contradicts [[WP:NOW]]. Since you are not yet extended-confirmed, please avoid [[WP:BULLYING]] and stretching the limit of [[WP:3RR]], they will be construed as disruptive editing even if made in good faith. In addition, [[WP:LAME]] might be especially relevant here as all you have to do is wait no more than 24 hours to include the edit. [[User:Sir Kenneth Kho|Sir Kenneth Kho]] ([[User talk:Sir Kenneth Kho|talk]]) 18:14, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Heidi bradshaw|Heidi bradshaw]], first of all, the person who is intimidating and harassing the other is you. The long pre-made message that you posted on my talk page where you say "Persistent cancellation of changes by experienced editors can lead to restrictions. DO NOT CANCEL AGAIN." is clearly a threat, so do not reverse the roles. You also look down on me by telling me that with 8 years of seniority on Wikipedia in English, you do not have any advice or comments to receive from an Internet user who has been registered for a month (you also insist on this again in this discussion by putting ONE month in capital letters) but I remind you that on Wikipedia, the word of each Internet user counts and there is no more important word. You also imply that my changes are not in good faith, but you will notice that I am greatly and positively contributing to the Miss Universe 2024 article (by adding sources in particular) and that my withdrawals are in line with the spirit and rules of Wikipedia (which is encyclopedic and therefore refers to facts and therefore does not put a country in the table of candidates before the election has taken place and the Miss has been elected). No rule allows this, as @[[User:Sir Kenneth Kho|Sir Kenneth Kho]] points out. Regarding the name indications, I will take note and be careful next time. However, this is not a reason to look down on me or intimidate me. [[User:T931201|T931201]] ([[User talk:T931201|talk]]) 18:35, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

== Great Patriotic War ==

Can you change the "British Empire" in the article to "British Empire and Commonwealth" [[User:Hachiko91919|Hachiko91919]] ([[User talk:Hachiko91919|talk]]) 10:20, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

:{{u|Haciko91919}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse.  This question is best raised on the associated article talk page, [[Talk:Great Patriotic War]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::The only mention of British Empire in [[Great Patriotic War]] is this about the time before the 1941 German invasion of the Soviet Union: "Soviet intelligence reported that Germany would rather invade the USSR after the fall of the British Empire". I don't see good reason to add "and Commonwealth" there. [[Member states of the Commonwealth of Nations]] says that apart from the UK, the Commonwealth nations at the time were Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa. Japan had not entered the war at the time and none of them were threatened. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 14:27, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

=== Great Patriotic War ===

Can you change from "United Kingdom and its colonies"? (from "British Empire") [[User:Hachiko91919|Hachiko91919]] ([[User talk:Hachiko91919|talk]]) 03:18, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
: {{re|Hachiko91919}} please don't re-ask questions.  answers to your previous ask are here: [[Wikipedia:Teahouse#Great_Patriotic_War]] [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 03:38, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

== Image copyrights for dummies ==

There are a few stub-class articles I have been contributing to, and I think it's about time I learn about image copyright rules. How do I find out about any given image's copyright rules and laws or whatever? Is there any site where everything is fair game (Twitter, Instagram etc.)? [[User:HYTEN CREW|HYTEN CREW]] ([[User talk:HYTEN CREW|talk]]) 19:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

:There isn't really a site that's "fair game", but https://openverse.org/ searches Flickr for appropriately licensed images that you can then [[C:Special:UploadWizard|upload on Commons]]. You can also submit a request to [[WP:FFU|Files for Upload]] where an experienced editor will review your upload request and determine if it is appropriate. [[Wikipedia:How to upload a photo|This guide]] may also be of use. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 19:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:See these three guides:
:1. [[Wikipedia:Image use policy]]
:2. [[c:Commons:Copyright rules|Commons:Copyright rules]]
:3. [[c:Commons:Licensing|Commons:Licensing]]
:— [[User:Toast for Teddy|Toast for Teddy]] ([[User talk:Toast for Teddy|talk]]) 19:21, 1 August 2024 (UTC)	
::{{reply-to|HYTEN CREW}} With the caveat that I don't claim any degree of knowledge in this area, I offer the following couple of pages that might be of interest:
:: * [[WP:Image use policy]]
:: * [[WP:Public domain image resources]]
:: [[User:Fabrickator|Fabrickator]] ([[User talk:Fabrickator|talk]]) 19:25, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:::{{u|HYTEN CREW}}, you can use any image that you find at [[Wikimedia Commons]]. There are over 100 million media files there. Any random file that you find online or even in a library or a bookstore or in a magazine must be assumed to be restricted by copyright, unless you can find solid evidence that it is properly freely licensed, or that it is in the public domain. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 05:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

== Being Hounded by an Editor ==

Hi everyone. I really need your help. I am being hounded by an editor. They are notifying all the pages i have ever created or contributed to for deletion OR leaving hostile twinkles line FANPOV etc. Instead of being collaborative and assuming good faith or helping with contributions or , they're being incredibly hostile. Month after month, they keep stalking my new contributions and disrupting my edits. Please help me with what to do. Wikipedia has become such a hostile space because of this one editor.  [[User:TechGenWikinator03|TechGenWikinator03]] ([[User talk:TechGenWikinator03|talk]]) 12:55, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

: {{Ping|TechGenWikinator03}} Do you refer to [[User:Thewikizoomer]]? Either way, please see [[WP:DR]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 14:39, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
::I see one article you created ([[1M1B]]) and one you edited ([[Niharika Lyra Dutt]]) nominated for deletion by [[User:Thewikizoomer]]. Is there more 'hounding' than that? [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 15:43, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Sharing a full list:
:::Pages nominated for deletion by [[User:Thewikizoomer]]
:::# [[Niharika Lyra Dutt]]
:::# [[1M1B]]
:::# [[Reshma Pathan]]
:::# [[Abha Khetarpal]]
:::# Digital Personal Data Protection Bill, 2022 (Deleted); Made false sockpuppetry and copyright violation claims: [[Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2023 August 18]] , [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/TechGenWikinator03/Archive]]
:::FanPOV Twinkles on pages I've contributed to by [[User:Thewikizoomer]]
:::# [[Chayanika Shah]]
:::# [[Why Loiter? Campaign]]
:::# [[Zubaan Books]]
:::Almost every age I've ever contributed to/created has been targeted. They're relentless.. It's been going on for so many months.  [[User:TechGenWikinator03|TechGenWikinator03]] ([[User talk:TechGenWikinator03|talk]]) 06:54, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
::::User @[[User:TechGenWikinator03|TechGenWikinator03]] is advised to stop making personal attacks, they were warned to not do such personal attacks earlier on the talk page of them - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TechGenWikinator03&oldid=1172699815
::::It's evident that they didn't care to look at what they have written above, they accused me of making false sockpuppetry claims and copyright violation claims. Be informed that the Sockpuppet investigation was taken up and investigated under reasonable suspicion and was closed, the archive link they have mentioned above can be looked at for on how the investigation took place. 
::::I have no idea why they have mentioned me in their so called copyright violation thingy. I don't have anything to do with that and if they have anything that needs to be discussed about the copyright claim, they may contact the user who raised the issue about that copyright claim. Also by looking at the [[Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2023 August 18|copyright issue]], it [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=The+Digital+Personal+Data+Protection+Bill%2C+2022 appears] like indeed there was a copyright violation and it can be observed that the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Digital_Personal_Data_Protection_Bill,_2022&action=history article was removed] because it was a duplicate of an existing article. It can also be observed that [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=151345852 they were advised to not remove the copyright violation template] without following due process.
::::[[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/TechGenWikinator03/Archive#c-TechGenWikinator03-20230828071800-Thewikizoomer-20230826142200|Their reaction]] before and after the sockpuppet investigation is evident to display which user is the one creating hostility.
::::Talking about the pages that I nominated for deletion, there are lots of pages that I nominated for deletion which can be found in my edit history, a few for example:
::::1) [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sajjala Ramakrishna Reddy]]
::::2) [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kakinada Airport]]
::::3) [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Niharika Lyra Dutt (2nd nomination)]]
::::Valid rationale was provided by me in the nominations made can be found on the respective nomination discussions. If they have anything to add, they're advised to discuss in relevant forums.
::::In the same way, there are lots of articles that are tagged for issues there were identified, if they have anything to add or contribute to fixing an issue or improving an article in accordance with Wikipedia policies, they are more than welcome to do so.
::::Also by assuming good faith, I'm avoiding the thought of the user @[[User:TechGenWikinator03|TechGenWikinator03]] having problems with me editing on Wikipedia. It appears nothing more than a silly rant and also I'm refraining from saying that they are being hostile to me by again, assuming good faith.
::::And having been edited about 3000 times on Wikipedia, trust me, I don't really care about who an editor is for an article or who has created an article before identifying issues, contributing or doing anything by sticking to the policies of Wikipedia. [[User:Thewikizoomer|Thewikizoomer]] ([[User talk:Thewikizoomer|talk]]) 09:21, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::How is it that I only get notifications from you month after month? Even for pages that I created YEARS ago? 
:::::Please read: 
:::::* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:HOUND&redirect=no WP:HOUND]
:::::* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:HOUNDING&redirect=no WP:HOUNDING]
:::::* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WIKIHOUNDING&redirect=no WP:WIKIHOUNDING]
:::::* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:FOLLOWING&redirect=no WP:FOLLOWING] Hounding on Wikipedia (or "wikihounding") is the singling out of one or more editors, joining discussions on multiple pages or topics they may edit or multiple debates where they contribute, to repeatedly confront or inhibit their work. This is with an apparent aim of creating irritation, annoyance, or distress to the other editor. Hounding usually involves following the target from place to place on Wikipedia.
:::::[[User:TechGenWikinator03|TechGenWikinator03]] ([[User talk:TechGenWikinator03|talk]]) 06:27, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::Don't know what this copy paste is for, maybe they felt like accusing again - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Thewikizoomer&oldid=1238118119. Anyways, user @[[User:TechGenWikinator03|TechGenWikinator03]] may go through [[Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Thewikizoomer-20240731092100-TechGenWikinator03-20240731065400]], specifically: 
::::::: "It's evident that they didn't care to look at what they have written above, they accused me of making false sockpuppetry claims and copyright violation claims. Be informed that the Sockpuppet investigation was taken up and investigated under reasonable suspicion and was closed, the archive link they have mentioned above can be looked at for on how the investigation took place.
::::::: I have no idea why they have mentioned me in their so called copyright violation thingy. I don't have anything to do with that and if they have anything that needs to be discussed about the copyright claim, they may contact the user who raised the issue about that copyright claim. Also by looking at the [[Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2023 August 18|copyright issue]], it [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=The+Digital+Personal+Data+Protection+Bill%2C+2022 appears] like indeed there was a copyright violation and it can be observed that the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Digital_Personal_Data_Protection_Bill,_2022&action=history article was removed] because it was a duplicate of an existing article. It can also be observed that [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=151345852 they were advised to not remove the copyright violation template] without following due process.
::::::: [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/TechGenWikinator03/Archive#c-TechGenWikinator03-20230828071800-Thewikizoomer-20230826142200|Their reaction]] before and after the sockpuppet investigation is evident to display which user is the one creating hostility."
::::::More importantly:
::::::: "Talking about the pages that I nominated for deletion, there are lots of pages that I nominated for deletion which can be found in my edit history, a few for example:
::::::: 1) [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sajjala Ramakrishna Reddy]]
::::::: 2) [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kakinada Airport]]
::::::: 3) [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Niharika Lyra Dutt (2nd nomination)]]
::::::: Valid rationale was provided by me in the nominations made can be found on the respective nomination discussions. If they have anything to add, they're advised to discuss in relevant forums.
::::::: In the same way, there are lots of articles that are tagged for issues there were identified, if they have anything to add or contribute to fixing an issue or improving an article in accordance with Wikipedia policies, they are more than welcome to do so."
::::::[[User:Thewikizoomer|Thewikizoomer]] ([[User talk:Thewikizoomer|talk]]) 09:30, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Again I think the more appropriate forum was to follow [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|WP:DR]] as suggested [[Wikipedia:Teahouse#c-Pigsonthewing-20240730143900-TechGenWikinator03-20240730125500|here]]. Also the user @[[User:TechGenWikinator03|TechGenWikinator03]] may be advised that if they have any issues with anyone's contributions, they are welcome to discuss them in appropriate forum(s)/associated user(s) talk page in accordance with the policies.
::::The link may be found [[Help:Introduction to policies and guidelines/1|here]] and they can find [[Help:Introduction to policies and guidelines/1|this]] and more links to policies. Tips can be found [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TechGenWikinator03&diff=prev&oldid=1237754111 here]. [[User:Thewikizoomer|Thewikizoomer]] ([[User talk:Thewikizoomer|talk]]) 09:32, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

== How cite a dynamic web page? ==

I would like to replace the permanent dead link on [[Ronald Pelton]].

The reference acts as a source for Pelton's release date from prison.

How to view source:
# Go to https://www.bop.gov/inmateloc/
# Select Find By Number and BOP Register Number
# Enter Pelton's BOP Register Number: 22914-037
# Click enter
This does not change the url. 

How do I cite the above website? [[User:Vasusrir429|Vasusrir429]] ([[User talk:Vasusrir429|talk]]) 01:48, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

:I would cite it like this:
::<nowiki>{{cite web|title=Find an Inmate|website=Federal Bureau of Prisons|url=https://bop.gov/inmateloc/|quote=BOP Register Number 22914-037}}</nowiki>
:which gives this:
::{{cite web|title=Find an Inmate|website=Federal Bureau of Prisons|url=https://bop.gov/inmateloc/|quote=BOP Register Number 22914-037}}
:It's kind of hacky, but it does the job. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 04:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:Vasusrir429|Vasusrir429]] ([[User talk:Vasusrir429|talk]]) 07:05, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Vasusrir429|Vasusrir429]] I think that the parameter |at= (instead of |quote= ) is slightly less hacky. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
::::I just changed it to {{para|id}}, which seems least hacky to me. [[User:Folly Mox|Folly Mox]] ([[User talk:Folly Mox|talk]]) 11:27, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thanks, either of those is better. 'quote' was just the first parameter I thought of that lets you create a note inside a citation. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 12:45, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

== My posts were removed from the source wiki by unknown admin ==

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I did not know that my pages were removed from the archive pages list and the reason that was given to me was that the material provided was some kind of scam artist or spam persons account. the rest of the pages I had been working on were also and I do understand it out of scope with the topic and material allowed and that I should find alternative means to have others enjoy my content. is there any way I could access my pages to my account to copy paste the contents to a different text editor protocol. and who is to say exactly what the nature is for safely included intrest selections which I am sure most people are supportive. The problem I had was that this admin peer was refusing dialogue from my end which really begs some kind of response from others who aren't slow readers and already have like minded resources over the wiki page and reference community here online. There is some truth about these dialogs where the history of there exclusion problematically where then should I look online for some relative support of the things I didn't know were not accepted because of the scope or nature of the subject matter. finally if there was a way I could upload the text content of those postings to my own text/web editor so that the valuable nature is not lost because of administration of the wiki web. [[User:Ryantscotchie|Ryantscotchie]] ([[User talk:Ryantscotchie|talk]]) 09:15, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:Hi...there are no other contributions by your account except your query here, deleted or "live". Did you edit under another username, or while logged out? [[User:Lectonar|Lectonar]] ([[User talk:Lectonar|talk]]) 09:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
::i was extremely surprised but on of the higher up admins blocked my content and also my account. I was theoretically 100 percent certain that the material and theory behind the pages that I created we going to be extremely long overdue subject matters and I do not one bit think the I was oversourcing content or being out of the scope of or of the state of mind of average Joe users on that portal and the commons.the next best thing this person could do is message me with their concern of whatever subject matter there was to be scrutinized at least then as I did in creating these deleted pages I would keep their contents for my personal interests [[User:Ryantscotchie|Ryantscotchie]] ([[User talk:Ryantscotchie|talk]]) 13:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Ryantscotchie|Ryantscotchie]]. What do you mean by the "source wiki"? What do you mean by the "archive pages list"? What do you mean by "my pages"? You are going to have to be a lot more specific for us to be able to begin to help you, but it does sound as though you haven't understood the purpose of Wikipedia. Please take a look at [[WP:42]]. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 09:42, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:[[:c:Special:Permalink/902469089#The white spot /red spot of jupiter|Here are your postings]]. Feel free to copypaste onto your local device and reupload onto your own personal website somewhere. [[User:Folly Mox|Folly Mox]] ([[User talk:Folly Mox|talk]]) 10:27, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

::{{reply-to|Ryantscotchie}} See [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ryantscotchie&action=history wikimedia commons user history page].

:::Commons is for photos. Wikipedia is for articles. You posted text at Commons, which has all been deleted. The text you posted was in no way suitable for a Wikipedia article, being run-on verbage of no meaning whatsoever, with no references. You can recover what was deleted at Commons ("The white spot /red spot of jupiter", and other) to copy to your own computer, but please do not attempt to use it to create a Wikipedia draft. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 11:38, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
::thank you for the link. I have been available to the creators of this contextual platform derived from the interests people have and making the people who we serve in life a reference to our analogous expertise in matters that almost always are a value to be recorded as I do for my personal records and the stability of the web atmosphere in terms of independent creation of what people call out to us ficticiously to report to them when to do so is the work of the most evil one. the method I use is the grandaddy trick and it is as convenient as it is real. the trick with not knowing evil is that it hasn't made your accuaintance. there were several pages I created on the fly to see for myself how I stand in this kind of circuit and with all honesty really don't agree about barring me from my work that it might have been a little too high throttle and minor in design to be accepted. it was however laid out to my socio-scientific history of above average effort and exceeding in accuracy. I do not believe that there is a any body of work that can escape scrutiny of the posters peers thanks [[User:Ryantscotchie|Ryantscotchie]] ([[User talk:Ryantscotchie|talk]]) 13:26, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:Note this editor is blocked on wikisource as "spamming only account" and their page(s) deleted there. If the content there is anything like what they have written on enwiki and commons, I'm not surprised that was the outcome there. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 13:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
::I reported the user to SRG. [[User:Ahri Boy|Ahri Boy]] ([[User talk:Ahri Boy|talk]]) 14:05, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

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== Single source published by subject of article  ==

A person about whom no Wikipedia article yet exists, who received notable media attention in connection with a criminal prosecution against him, has a self-published web page containing explanatory information derived from publicly-accessible legal filings. The conclusions he draws are supported by those other sources, but the conclusions and reasoning are presented, publicly, only on his own website. Is that web page sufficient as a source for those statements (couched appropriately as his own statements) in an article about this person? [[User:Al Begamut|Al Begamut]] ([[User talk:Al Begamut|talk]]) 16:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

:Hello, Al Begamut. As a source for his claiming those conclusions, probably yes: see [[WP:SPS|SPS]] (but without more information I can't say whether such claims would be appropriate for the article: see [[WP:UNDUE|UNDUE]]). As a source for the validity of the conclusions, no; and of course such a source contributes nothing to establishing that he meets Wikipedia's criteria for [[WP:notability|notability]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 17:02, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
::Perfect answer for me. I understand. Thanks very much!
::(P.S. As the author of this Teahouse question, can I "mark it as" completed?) [[User:Al Begamut|Al Begamut]] ([[User talk:Al Begamut|talk]]) 17:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:::It's completed when you say it is, or when people stop responding. If there's a way to "mark" it as completed, I don't know of it. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 17:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

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== On italicization ==

If a term of art (i.e., a technical term) contains two words – one English and one non-English – should the non-English one still be italicized per [[MOS:ITALIC]]? The page in question is [[Tuscan gorgia]], where "Tuscan" is English and "gorgia" is Italian. The term "gorgia" in linguistics – as far as I know – only appies to this narrow sense of lenition in Tuscan Italian. Any advice? [[User:ThaesOfereode|ThaesOfereode]] ([[User talk:ThaesOfereode|talk]]) 14:57, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:ThaesOfereode|ThaesOfereode]], It looks like when both of them are together, it is not italicized. However, {{lang|it|gorgia}} does not seem to be integrated enough into the English language. Since {{lang|it|gorgia}} is not English, one should use the <nowiki>{{lang}}</nowiki> template. [[User:Quxyz|<span style="color: goldenrod">✶Qux</span>]][[User talk:Quxyz|<span style="color: goldenrod">yz</span>]][[special:contributions/Quxyz|<span style="color: goldenrod">✶</span>]] 18:13, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

== Review aggregators ==

I saw the [[Bad Sport]] article, and it got me thinking. The article stated that the show had a 100% approval rate based on '''5''' votes. Is it really suitable to display it here on the wiki? If it was treated as a research, with such a small sample size, I am sure even mentioning it would be [[WP:UNDUE]]. —[[User:Mint Keyphase|Mint Keyphase]] ([[User talk:Mint Keyphase|Did I mess up?]] ''' ''' [[Special:Contributions/Mint Keyphase|What have I done?]]) 13:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Mint Keyphase|Mint Keyphase]]. "Votes" is probably not the right word here. The text actually says {{tq|100% approval rating based on 5 votes on the review aggregator site Rotten Tomatoes}} and although I haven't been able to get the RT link to work, RT is aggregating published reviews, so it does I think carry some weight. A better place to discuss this, though, would be the talk page of that article. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 14:12, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
::{{u|Mint Keyphase}}, the summary of the reliability assessment can be found at [[WP:ROTTENTOMATOES]], which says {{tpq|Rotten Tomatoes is considered generally reliable for its review aggregation and its news articles on film and TV. There is no consensus on whether its blog articles and critic opinion pages are generally reliable for facts. There is consensus that user reviews on Rotten Tomatoes are generally unreliable, as they are self-published sources.}} [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 18:38, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

== New draft page ==

This new draft page [[Draft:Ivo_D._Dinov]] was been brashly declined by [[User:SafariScribe]]. I'm writing to get a better understanding from other wikipedia editors that can review the content of the draft and confirm if it indeed meets the [[Wikipedia:Notability_(academics) |academic-specific criteria]]? There were plenty of reliable sources provided in the draft article, so I'm not really certain if hte quick response reflects a real review. Here are the details:

:According to the [[Wikipedia:Notability_(academics) |8 wikipedia notabiliuty criteria]], this [[Draft:Ivo_D._Dinov | draft page for Ivo D. Dinov, an academic]] satisfies at least 2 of the criteria:

:* #3 ''The person has been an elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association (e.g., a National Academy of Sciences or the Royal Society) or a fellow of a major scholarly society which reserves fellow status as a highly selective honor (e.g., Fellow of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers or Honorary Fellow of the Institute of Physics).''
::: The scholar is an honorary member (fellow) of the  Sigma Theta Tau International Society, and an elected member of the International Statistical Institute (ISI). Both references are provided in the article.
:* #5 ''The person has held a distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research, a named chair appointment that indicates a comparable level of achievement, or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon.''
::: The scholar is a ''named professor'' and '' chair'', the University of Michigan [[Henry Philip Tappan]] Collegiate professor (reference is provided in the article, it self).

Thanks much, in advance. [[User:VodnaTopka|VodnaTopka]] ([[User talk:VodnaTopka|talk]]) 19:34, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
:{{u|VodnaTopka}} The draft does not state nor reference that he is an endowed chair professor. Also, given what is in the Lead, the draft could benefit from a Publications section containing his book and selected journal publications (no more than five). Add to the draft and resubmit. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 21:19, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
:::: [[User:David_notMD|David_notMD]], the revised the article draft now contains a new publications section, which outlines 3 examples of high profile works, including 2 peer-reviewed books with wide readership. To clarify the point about "notability, point #5", the subject is the University of Michigan Henry Philip Tappan Collegiate Professor, after the first University of Michigan President [[Henry Philip Tappan]], and a department chair (as a head). Thank you for your constructive feedback. [[User:VodnaTopka|VodnaTopka]] ([[User talk:VodnaTopka|talk]]) 22:49, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::I see that you have submitted the draft again. Given the large number of drafts waiting for a review, it can take days, weeks, or sadly, months, for a review. I found it interesting that one of his books is itself the subject of an article. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 04:47, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

[[Ivo D. Dinov]] Accepted. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 18:51, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

== Help with academic notability criteria ==

Hi, my [[Draft:Mika Lavento|draft]] was recently rejected due to not meeting any of the [[Wikipedia:Notability (academics)|academic notability specific criteria]], even though the subject meets several of the academic specific criteria, most notably third, fifth and sixth criteria.

3rd: Like I wrote in the draft, Lavento is a member/fellow of Finnish Society of Sciences and Letters, which is the practically the Royal Society of Finland.
5th: Finland uses the German academic rank system, where the professor is the highest possible chair and only awarded to the most distinguished researchers, which makes it similar to a distinguished professor.
6th: Lavento was the chairman of the Finnish Antiquarian Society, which is the oldest and the most notable of all scholarly cultural heritage societies in Finland.

How should I edited the article that these points are more apparent? I've already cited the societies where the membership/professor status are mentioned. [[User:MrGakster|MrGakster]] ([[User talk:MrGakster|talk]]) 19:18, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

:Additionally, like I wrote in the article, a peer-reviewed [[Festschrift]] was dedicated to the subject recently, which already satisfies the first criteria by itself, [[Wikipedia:Notability (academics)#Specific criteria notes|according to the academic notability page criteria note 1c]]. [[User:MrGakster|MrGakster]] ([[User talk:MrGakster|talk]]) 19:28, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:I would suggest reaching out to the person on their talk-page on why they felt like it didn't meet any of the academic notability specific criteria and see what happens from there. In addition, they did mention on the comment of another reason why it was rejected which was
:"cite multiple [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|''reliable'']], [[Wikipedia:No original research#Secondary|''secondary'']] sources ''[[Wikipedia:Independent sources|independent]]'' of the subject, which cover the subject in some depth" 
:which sounds like you didn't do this based on what the reviewer said.  [[User:Soafy234|Soafy234]] ([[User talk:Soafy234|talk]]) 19:33, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for the comment, I'll do that and we will see what happens. [[User:MrGakster|MrGakster]] ([[User talk:MrGakster|talk]]) 20:07, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

== Adding actor credits  ==

Hello, I'm a relatively new editor and I have a question. When adding credits to actors or actresses how do I source roles with no articles about castings? I have added a few based on an article with the announcement, however in some cases there are no such sources.
Thank you for your help. [[User:John's Edits|John's Edits]] ([[User talk:John's Edits|talk]]) 16:14, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

:If the person's name is in the credits of the film/tv show, no citation is needed as the information can be verified by viewing the credits. It gets harder if their name is not in the credits. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 16:41, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you for your explanation I saw an edit like you described being reversed on a page on my watchlist and was confused. [[User:John&#39;s Edits|John&#39;s Edits]] ([[User talk:John&#39;s Edits|talk]]) 20:40, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

== How to use an e-mail as a reference ==

I received an e-mail, not a PDF from KC Intl Airport concerning annual passenger traffic. Is it possible to source the document in the article? Seems you can't. Any suggestions?[[User:Theairportman33531|Theairportman33531]] ([[User talk:Theairportman33531|talk]]) 22:05, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

:Hello, Theairportman33531, and welcome to the Teahouse. In a word, No. All Wikipedia articles should be based 100% on ''published'' information, so that in principle any reader anywhere can obtain a copy of the source and verify the information: see [[WP:verifiability|verifiability]]. (Not all existing articles meet that criterion, but if people introduce information which is not cited to a reliable published source, it tends to get reverted nowadays). [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 22:16, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

== draft [[Draft:Afsheen (musician)]] ==

Hi guys! I had discussions with other editors about this draft on the talk page [[User talk:CFA#https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Afsheen (musician)|here]] of this editor. Nobody additional was there to review. So i am asking in places, if we can apply to this article category musicians or general notability perhaps, if there are enough for that. The editor there does not feel confident reviewing it, as they are not sure like me.

I think it is article number 4 I created. I never made articles about a musicians. This case is particularly unclear - as the individual seems to have many credits as producer of music, but with a low publicity. I have listed to their songs over the years myself, and in some cases I did not even know it was their song. [[User:J2009j|J2009j]] ([[User talk:J2009j|talk]]) 23:39, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

== I need help finding an old deletion discussion ==

I was looking at the Wikipedia page for [[Talk:Dirtbag left]] and noticed it had previously been nominated for deletion. However, there's no link to the previous discussion. I wanted to add a link to it, but I couldn't find it in [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2018 February 16]]. I also didn't find it in a general search. I also couldn't find it in the nominator's contributions list. Looking at the article's history, it looks like the past deletion discussion was sucessful, and the page was remade. Is there a different place I need to go to find the discussion? Is there a different date I need to look at?
[[User:Solitaire Wanderer|Solitaire Wanderer]] ([[User talk:Solitaire Wanderer|talk]]) 00:31, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Solitaire Wanderer|Solitaire Wanderer]]: Welcome to the Teahouse! [[WP:PROD|Proposed deletion]] (PROD) is different from [[WP:AFD|AfD]]—there won't be an actual discussion to link to. However, there's some conflicting notes here. From what I can see, the article wasn't actually PRODded but rather [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=89134040 deleted] under [[WP:CSD#A7|criterion for speedy deletion (CSD) A7]], which allows immediate deletion of an article if there's no indication of [[WP:N|notability]] at all. (Specifically, it was deleted when it was named "Dirtbag Left" rather than "Dirtbag left".) There would likely be no discussion in that case either. I'm not sure why a PROD note was added to the talk page since CSD and PROD are separate processes, but that's the confusion of Wikipedia for you sometimes. As such, I've removed the PROD note from the talk page. I hope this helps explain things a bit, happy editing! [[User:Bsoyka|<span style="color:#fff;background:#055;padding:.2em">'''Bsoyka'''</span>]] (<i>[[User talk:Bsoyka|t]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Bsoyka|c]] &bull; [[User:Bsoyka/Guestbook|g]]</i>) 00:49, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for the help! [[User:Solitaire Wanderer|Solitaire Wanderer]] ([[User talk:Solitaire Wanderer|talk]]) 01:14, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

== Paraphrasing without copyright ==

Hello. I have recently been reading Wikipedia's copyright and non-free content policies and want to make sure that I am properly paraphrasing text from the [[Handbook of Texas]] without copyright. I am currently in the process of making an article called [[Rattan, Texas]], and I want to learn how to write acceptable content. It shows what to do in [[Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing#How to write acceptable content]], especially the example box where it shows close paraphrasing repaired. This is the text from the Handbook of Texas: 

{{redact}}

How should I properly paraphrase this without getting a copyright warning? I have come to ask for some advice on how to do this before I publish it onto Wikipedia. Thank you! [[User:Colman2000|Colman2000]] ([[User talk:Colman2000|talk]]) 22:50, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Colman2000|Colman2000]]: Welcome to the Teahouse! In my honest opinion, I recommend you simply don't try to paraphrase that text. There are a couple things that could mean:
:# Given that paraphrasing the Handbook of Texas is what's caused some problems for you in the past, I'd strongly recommend just distancing yourself from it, at least for a little while. You were just unblocked 30 minutes ago—if I were you, I wouldn't sprint back toward the things that got you blocked in the first place.
:# If that didn't convince you to step back and you plan to continue anyway, as has been [[User talk:Colman2000#c-Fram-20240103104200-January_2024|mentioned]] on your talk page, {{tq|Please take care to write your own articles, not just closely follow other copyrighted pages.}} Do research using other resources too, not just trying to paraphrase the Handbook of Texas, and write ''your own new original content''.
:Again, this is my personal advice, but I think you're getting dangerously close to another block by trying to continue what led to your original block. I recommend a step back. If you're looking for other things to do across the wiki, [[WP:TASKS]] has a good list. In any case, best wishes and happy editing. {{Small|(CC: {{U|Diannaa}}, the admin who both blocked and unblocked Colman2000)}} [[User:Bsoyka|<span style="color:#fff;background:#055;padding:.2em">'''Bsoyka'''</span>]] (<i>[[User talk:Bsoyka|t]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Bsoyka|c]] &bull; [[User:Bsoyka/Guestbook|g]]</i>) 23:02, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

: {{re|Colman2000}} You just added a large chunk of copyright text here, after stating that you understand {{tpq|Copyright content is not allowed anywhere on Wikipedia, not even in sandboxes or drafts.}}.  You also said you understood {{tpq|It's more appropriate to summarize the content in your own words than to try to paraphrase, especially if you only have one source available.}} Find other sources.  Find other topics.  See the task list suggested by the other user.  You need to add material in your own words and stop trying to paraphrase the Handbook of Texas.  Find something else to work on.  [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 01:41, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Colman2000|Colman2000]] You're thinking about this the wrong way. You're not meant to paraphrase information from one source- you're meant to use it as a source of information only. And you're meant to be looking at more than one source! If you can only find one or two, its going to ber very hard to write a decent-quality article based. 
:I notice you're in college. Does your school have a writing lab or workshop you could attend? This has been an issue in Wiki-career since 2017; I fear it's hard for anybody here to help you break the habit of a lifetime. However, the kind of writing you've been showing here is troubling. If you've been doing the same thing on school essays, projects, or assignments, you are at a very real risk of being kicked out or having your degree removed. That should be your priority right now- so again, go to the library, or see if you school offers any tutoring programmes. Many do, for either a nominal sum or even for free! Failing that, you should look through the material on something like Purdue's Online Writing Lab. They have an entire section on avoiding plagiarism [https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/resources/preventing_plagiarism/index.html here]. It's designed for teachers, but it's better than nothing. [[User:GreenLipstickLesbian|GreenLipstickLesbian]] ([[User talk:GreenLipstickLesbian|talk]]) 08:57, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

== Wikipedia Page editing, updating and current removal of photos  ==

Hi, I have tried to reach out with help on Fabio Mancini's "super model" celebrity page and have so many replies and edits have been made but ruined the page layout, which was perfect on June 1, minus the authority database control?? We started the updates in March but since then the page has NOT been SECURED and we are getting different feedback, removals and lots of TALK.  Fabio has retired from modeling, transitioned to charity work and patronages for the youth and charity outreach programs, met with the Pope last month but unfortunately this journey has not been easy with the multiple individuals editing and changing the formats.  Could you possibly give us a direction on the following? THANK YOU SO MUCH  [[User:Fabmac2024|Fabmac2024]] ([[User talk:Fabmac2024|talk]]) 15:03, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

:{{ping|Fabmac2024}} You do not [[WP:OWN|own]] or have the right to "control" any Wikipedia articles, regardless of who you are. Please read the [[WP:COI|conflict of interest guidelines]] and [[WP:DISCLOSECOI|disclose]] appropriately. Thank you. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 15:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
::Agree I don’t have the right to control articles. Fabio is working on the Italian side of getting his page sercured with worldcat, viaf, and speaking with OCLC. The struggle has been on the US side because of the language and find valid administration from this side. All messages have been passed to his agent (non English speakers)  [[User:Fabmac2024|Fabmac2024]] ([[User talk:Fabmac2024|talk]]) 16:20, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:::You say that you agree that you don't have the right to control articles, and then you talk again of "getting his page secured". I'm not sure what you mean by "secured", but in general, a Wikipedia article may be edited by almost anybody in the world '''except''' the subject and their associates, who may [[WP:request edit|request edit]]s but not edit the article directly. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:54, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you for clarifying. Also, would it be easier to edit & update in Italy and/ or US all links and ips may post “clear secure” from the Italy first? Or it doesn’t matter. The links and copyright is international as well. The photos are secured in Italy, but when it was posted they removed and labeled as not having correct copyright/ links?? Just need clarification  [[User:Fabmac2024|Fabmac2024]] ([[User talk:Fabmac2024|talk]]) 17:29, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::Fabmac2024, I assume that when you say "in Italy and/or US" you mean "in the Italian language Wikipedia and/or the English language Wikipedia". The answer is that they are quite separate, with possibly different rules and procedures, and (with one exception) nothing you do on one has any effect on the other. 
:::::That exception is that if you are uploading images which are free for anybody to reuse for any purpose (either [[WP:public domain|public domain]] or explicitly licensed by the copyright holder under a copyleft licence such as [[WP:CC-BY-SA|CC-BY-SA]]) you should upload them to Wikimedia Commons, and then all language versions of Wikipedia can access them. Non-free images are permitted on English Wikipedia only under a very restrictive set of conditions (see [[WP:NFCC|NFCC]]), so for example pictures of living people are almost never permitted in this way. I imagine Italian Wikipedia has a similar set of conditions, but I don't know for sure. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 22:10, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::Afaict, it-WP doesn't have an article on this guy. [https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabio_Mancini_(modello)?action=edit&veswitched=1][https://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bozza:Fabio_Mancini_(modello)&action=edit&redlink=1] [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 09:33, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
:The article [[Fabio Mancini]] needs more ''independent'' sources. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 15:35, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
: Note prior discussion at [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Fabio Mancini]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 16:12, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
::Another discussion at [[Wikipedia:Help_desk#Secure_a_"celebrity"_super_model_page]]. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 16:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

== surface analysis file ==

Can add a file for [[1960_Pacific_typhoon_season]] for the Typhoon Shirley <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[commons:Template:PD-USGov-NOAA|PD-USGov-NOAA]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/122.52.17.18|122.52.17.18]] ([[User talk:122.52.17.18|talk]]) 05:52, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

:see [[Wikipedia:Files for upload#Typhoon_Shirley_surface_analysis_31_July_1960.png|Files for upload]] [[Special:Contributions/122.52.17.18|122.52.17.18]] ([[User talk:122.52.17.18|talk]]) 05:59, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:Hey there [[Special:Contributions/122.52.17.18|122.52.17.18]]! If it falls under that criteria, then go ahead and add it, but please note that there is an active mass-deletion discussion (where a bunch of images may be removed) that editors are discussing, and I wouldn't recommend adding photos of Typhoon Shirley from the [[National Weather Service]] because they may be [[Copyright|copyrighted]]. Hope this helps! :)  [[User:MemeGod27|Sir MemeGod ._.]] <small>([[User talk:Sir MemeGod|talk]] - [[Special:Contribs/Sir MemeGod|contribs]] - [[User:Sir MemeGod/Creations|created articles]])</small> 07:11, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
::{{ping|122.52.17.18|Sir MemeGod}} I believe that there shouldn't be an issue with uploading the file for Typhoon Shirley's surface analysis as those were actually created by [[NOAA]]/[[National Weather Service|NWS]] and should automatically be in the [[public domain]]. The files under discussion are actually ones created by non-NOAA/NWS employees but uploaded to the NWS's websites, as those may be [[copyrighted]], rather than images made by the organizations themselves. Hope this helps! {{(:}} [[User:ChrisWx|'''<span style="color: #1370ad">Chris</span><span style="color: #0a04b5">Wx</span>''' 🌀]] ([[User talk:ChrisWx|<span style="color: orange">talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/ChrisWx|<span style="color: darkgreen">contribs</span>]]) 16:51, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

== German Wikipedia page ==

I noticed that a German language Wikipedia page exists for the late jazz bassist Kelly Roberty. There appears to not be an English language version. How can I create and/or add Roberty’s page so it appears in searches online and for use in related English language Wikipedia pages? (For example, to add him to the list of notable people from Bozeman, Montana.) 

[[:de:Kelly_Roberty]]. [[User:MVteacher|MvT]] ([[User talk:MVteacher|talk]]) 15:59, 2 August 2024 (UTC)


: {{Ping|MVteacher}} See [[WP:Translation]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 16:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks. [[User:MVteacher|MvT]] ([[User talk:MVteacher|talk]]) 16:48, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:::But note that the citations in [[:de:Kelly Roberty]] are nowhere near sufficient to establish that he meets English Wikipedia's criteria for [[WP:notability|notability]]. Without better sources, no article will be accepted here. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:57, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Per [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kelly Roberti (2nd nomination)]], there was not enough significant coverage in independent reliable sources back in 2006; if the situation has changed since then, the sources have vanished or are generally not search indexable. The best source remains the [https://www.npr.org/2000/07/25/1079973/bass-keno July 25, 2000 NPR piece] mentioned in the AfD. I also found an [https://web.archive.org/web/20160404231534/http://dokkennelson.com/obits/page.php?obit_id=2424 archived version] of the obit from the funeral home as well as a [https://bozone.com/remembering-kelly-roberti/ short obit] preceding the reprint of a 2009 interview in a local publication. I do not know if either are copies of the obit cited by de-wp, because the source requires registration (or is paywalled; can't tell). Other sources I found were brief mentions, interviews, and non-independent sources (e.g. a newsletter on the local jazz scene maintained by Roberty's widow). In case I missed something, I added links to the de-wp article using {{tlp|ill|Kelly Roberti|de}} or {{tlp|ill|Kelly Roberty|de}}. [[User:Rotideypoc41352|Rotideypoc41352]] ([[User talk:Rotideypoc41352|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Rotideypoc41352|contribs]]) 17:16, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

== Gold medals at the 2024 Olympics ==

how many gold medals will be given away at the many gold medals will be given away at the 2024 olympics [[Special:Contributions/161.184.163.50|161.184.163.50]] ([[User talk:161.184.163.50|talk]]) 20:28, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
:If no article here tells you, you might ask at [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment]]. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 21:26, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

== How to save edits ==

Sometimes I want to make big edits but am afraid of losing it. So I end up making small changes and upload it again and again [[User:Cherry567|Cherry567]] ([[User talk:Cherry567|talk]]) 10:43, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
:No problem with that, but another way is to copy an article section into your Sandbox, make your series of changes there, publishing (saving) frequently, and only when done, copy/paste the entire section into the article. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 10:58, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
::Thx, but what if someone else is using the Sandbox too? [[User:Cherry567|Cherry567]] ([[User talk:Cherry567|talk]]) 11:30, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
:::The advice wasn't to use "the Sandbox" (which everyone is welcome to use), but instead to use "your Sandbox". There should be a link to it under "My pages" (under "Cherry567" and "Talk"). -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 12:14, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
::::OIC. Found it. Learn sth new [[User:Cherry567|Cherry567]] ([[User talk:Cherry567|talk]]) 01:53, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Cherry567|Cherry567]] To add to what David has said, if you use the source editor (or switch to it from the visual editor), you can copy/paste out the source code to store in a text editor on your local PC. That way, you always have a local copy. The "preview" function can be used to see how the source code will look when saved but there is no need to actually save/publish it until you are ready. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:02, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
::{{ping|Cherry567}} There is also a recent option "Enable the Edit Recovery feature" at [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing]]. I don't know how reliable it is. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:19, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
:::{{u|Cherry567}}, when I am ready to publish a significant change, I just copy it into my [[ Clipboard (computing)|clipboard]]. If I run into an edit conflict, I just pull up the most recent version of the page and quickly paste my content into the appropriate place. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 02:16, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

== How to attach a link to texts within a template? ==

Hi everyone, i try to attach a link to texts in my template like I do with normal texts. However, when I click upon the template, it moves me to a template editing display which does not support adding a link. Please help [[User:WikiLoreKeeper|WikiLoreKeeper]] ([[User talk:WikiLoreKeeper|talk]]) 07:27, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:WikiLoreKeeper|WikiLoreKeeper]], welcome to the Teahouse. You use VisualEditor which has its own way to edit template calls but that way cannot be applied to the value of parameters. You have to write them as wikitext where internal links are written with double square brackets like <code><nowiki>[[William Hertling]]</nowiki></code> to produce [[William Hertling]], or <code><nowiki>[[William Hertling|W. Hertling]]</nowiki></code> if you want it to display as [[William Hertling|W. Hertling]]. See more at [[Help:Link#Wikilinks (internal links)]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 08:45, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

== new page and sources of information ==

Hello! My father passed away few years ago, he was an italian painter famous in the 60s and 70s. I would like to honor him making his wikipedia page, he wasn't very active in the last years due to illness so there is no trace of him.
Problem is that I have a lot of information from papers and various publishing of that time, most of them (probably all of them) are no longer in business and for the most part I have just the article cropped or copied from the newspaper or journal orencyclopedia etc etc. what can I do following the rules? can I also publish a photo of a paint I own? thank you. [[User:Goldrake to|Goldrake to]] ([[User talk:Goldrake to|talk]]) 04:08, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:Goldrake to|Goldrake to]], thanks for asking about our rules before diving in. Before you start thinking about sources, please read our [[WP:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide|Plain and simple conflict of interest guide]] and [[WP:FAQ/Copyright|Copyright FAQ]]. '''[[User:ClaudineChionh|ClaudineChionh]]''' <small>(''she/her'' · [[User talk:ClaudineChionh|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/ClaudineChionh|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/ClaudineChionh|email]])</small> 05:53, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
::Potential references (newspaper articles, etc.) do not need to be accessable on-line, but you do need publication information (name of paper, date, etc) to be a ref. Use [[WP:YFA]] as a guide to creating and then submitting a draft. Only include referenced content, i.e., not stuff you know to be true but cannot verify via refs. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 10:06, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
:::For uploading photos of your father's paintings that you own, see [[Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials]]. [[User:Folly Mox|Folly Mox]] ([[User talk:Folly Mox|talk]]) 11:23, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

== Want your advise ==

Hi all! I have been continuously contributing to Wikimedia for the last nine months. My contributions exceed 10,000, and I have created more than 70 articles. Currently, I am an AFC reviewer. Friends, could you please advise whether I should apply for any further rights? Thank you with warm Regards! [[User:Youknowwhoistheman|Youknow?]] ([[User talk:Youknowwhoistheman|talk]]) 19:21, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

:That's entirely up to you. Is there something you want to do that you're currently unable to do? Have you read [[Wikipedia:User access levels]]? [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 19:44, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, Youknow. I agree with Shantavira. In my view, the ''only'' appropriate reason for applying for an access right is "There is a particular thing I want to do to be of service to Wikipedia that is arduous or impossible without this access right." [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 21:26, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Youknowwhoistheman|Youknowwhoistheman]] Given the number of articles you have created, you should consider applying for [[WP:Autopatrolled]] status. That will lighten the load on the [[WP:NPP|New pages patrol]] and get your new articles indexed by search engines more quickly. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:57, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Michael D. Turnbull]], I think you are right. Thanks! [[User:Youknowwhoistheman|Youknow?]] ([[User talk:Youknowwhoistheman|talk]]) 12:54, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

== Reverted Edit ==

I was working on a [[List of ice hockey line nicknames|page]] that has a statement:

"This is a dynamic list and may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness. You can help by adding missing items with reliable sources."

So I added an entry with 2 sources.

The was reverted by someone who apparently has all-encompassing control over this page with this statement:

"Before you add that line again, either start a discussion on the talk page, or start an article on the LCB line. You asked the question on the talk page in 2020, so you already knew the requirements and added the line anyway. Not a good action."

The [[Talk:List_of_ice_hockey_line_nicknames|talk page]] discusses 4 options with the final statement:

"By caveat, I mean that lines that are currently in the article (before we had this discussion) without their own article should probably stay, as I feel most (if not all of them) could have their own article. If someone wants to add a line here that doesn't have an article, then the answer should be "yes" if there's enough material to justify a standalone article. If there is, let's start that article first and then add the line here."

But this is written as a suggestion, it never is agreed upon!  Additionally, an additional entry was added after that statement, approved by the gate-keeper which does not follow that guideline.

The rules are not clearly stated, obscure, and contradict the statement on the page. [[User:Kevinskogg|Kevinskogg]] ([[User talk:Kevinskogg|talk]]) 16:06, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

:Hello, Kevinskogg, and welcome to the Teahouse. When you have a disagreement with another editor (which happens all the time, and is a normal part of a collaborative project like this) the thing to do is to open a discussion on the article's talk page, and try to reach consensus among whichever editors are interested in the question. The goal is not to be "right" or prove somebody else "wrong", but to reach consensus: see [[WP:BRD]]. Make sure you [[WP:ping|ping]] the editor who reverted your edit. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 18:39, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
:See also [[WP:DR]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 16:07, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

== Assistance for publishing an article (compilation) on Wikipedia ==

I am looking for assistance to publish an article (compilation) on Wikipedia. The article is ready but I don't know how to publish it as I understand little about the technical procedures for such publication on Wikipedia.

I would highly appreciate if someone could assist me in this regard. 

Thanks a lot for your response.

A. Reyman from Switzerland [[User:A.reymn|A.reymn]] ([[User talk:A.reymn|talk]]) 14:16, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

:[[User:A.reymn|A.reymn]], since you are a new user, you cannot publish the article directly, you must first create a [[WP:DRAFT|draft]] and submit it for review. See [[WP:YFA|the Your First Article page]] for detailed instructions. In particular, ensure the article topic is [[WP:N|notable]]. [[User:Sungodtemple|Sungodtemple]] ([[User talk:Sungodtemple|talk]] &#8226; [[Special:Contributions/Sungodtemple|contribs]]) 14:19, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you for your prompt response. Yes. I tried to submit as a draft for review but I didn-t know how to download my article (of some 3500 characters) already written and disponible in both WORD and PDF. [[User:A.reymn|A.reymn]] ([[User talk:A.reymn|talk]]) 14:49, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
:::[[User:A.reymn|A.reymn]], I think what you want to do is copy the draft from your Word document and paste it into the draft. You can do this by pressing the 'edit source' tab - it should be on the top right of your screen, under your username - pasting the draft below the thing that says 'AfC submission' (etc), and then pressing the 'publish changes' option on the bottom left of the big text-entry box. Publish changes is basically Wikipedia's version of 'save'. You will then be taken back to the view-only version of the page, where you can see whether your changes have been successful. 
:::Having done that, and making sure you now see your draft on the page, I would advise going back to 'edit source' and making sure your formatting and citations (and everything else listed in Your First Article) are done to Wikipedia standards. When you feel you are ready, you can press the 'Submit the draft for review' button on the bottom right of that box up the top of your draft in view-only mode. That will set the draft to the 'ready for review' stage, and a reviewer will come along sooner or later to look at it and give you feedback. We are currently very backlogged on draft reviews so please be patient - don't worry if it takes weeks or even a few months, as long as the draft says 'submitted for review' (or words along those lines) then you are all set! It might also be much less time, since the reviews are in a pool rather than a queue and reviewers often pick fields they know or drafts that have been waiting longest.
:::I hope that explains it, and happy editing! [[User:StartGrammarTime|StartGrammarTime]] ([[User talk:StartGrammarTime|talk]]) 16:22, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
:Are you referring to [[Draft:Who are the Khitays]]? If so, this article doesn't have a lot of details added to it. If you were to submit this for review, it be most likely rejected and/or declined.  [[User:Soafy234|Soafy234]] ([[User talk:Soafy234|talk]]) 14:21, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
::"Who are the Khitays" is the Tittle of my article (a compilation of some 3500 characters). To submit it, I need to download the entire article but how to do it?
::Thank you verz much. [[User:A.reymn|A.reymn]] ([[User talk:A.reymn|talk]]) 14:56, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
:::I only see a few words on the draft I stated above. I do not see 3500 characters visible on this draft of yours. Please elaborate on where you are seeing 3500 characters.  [[User:Soafy234|Soafy234]] ([[User talk:Soafy234|talk]]) 14:59, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
:While your draft gives us no clue as to who the  Khitays are, it's impossible to advise on whether what you're planning is a suitable topic for a Wikipedia article. Maybe they're the people described in [[Khitan people]]? &nbsp; [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 14:37, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
::"Who are the Khitays" is a very strange title for an article. We'd normally only have questions as article titles if the topic were a peice of [[Who Framed Roger Rabbit|media]] [[Why Does the Sun Shine? (The Sun Is a Mass of Incandescent Gas)|with]] [[Why Do Fools Fall in Love (song)|that]] [[Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?|exact]] [[Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?|name]] or a [[Where's the beef?|well known saying]]. I think perhaps you haven't realised that [[WP:FORUM|Wikipedia is a '''not''' a place for reflective essays, or original research]]. -- [[User:DandelionAndBurdock|D'n'B]]-''[[User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock|t]]'' -- 15:32, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

== Finding Wikipedia events to attend ==

I attended a Wikimedia event on Friday, July 19th, in New York City. Where can I find a list of other upcoming events in my general area? I've been poking around trying to find something like this, but https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Events_calendar seems to have virtually nothing -- which may be as it is. I just want to know if there's somewhere else I should be looking. [[User:Al Begamut|Al Begamut]] ([[User talk:Al Begamut|talk]]) 22:55, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Al Begamut|Al Begamut]] [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Calendar|this]] may help, however there is also a specific page for [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC|New York City]]. [[User:CommissarDoggo|<b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b>]]''[[User talk:CommissarDoggo|<sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?</sup>]]'' 22:59, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks... I guess there's just not much going on at the moment. I saw that an event slated for three days in early August in Poland has a "possibility of NYC satellite event in Greenpoint, Brooklyn", but as I couldn't find any more information about that "possibility," I just added the NYC events page to my watch list for now. Cheers! [[User:Al Begamut|Al Begamut]] ([[User talk:Al Begamut|talk]]) 23:08, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:P.S. I mean anything, even events not sponsored directly by Wikimedia. I saw something about Editathons, but again, I can't find a list that would be helpful for finding events local to me. [[User:Al Begamut|Al Begamut]] ([[User talk:Al Begamut|talk]]) 22:59, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Al Begamut|Al Begamut]]: You can signup for meet up announcments [[Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Invite list|here]] <span class ="nowrap vcard"><b><span class="fn">[[User:NightWolf1223|<span style="color:green;">NightWolf1223</span>]]</span> &lt;[[User talk:NightWolf1223|<span style="color:green;">Howl at me</span>]]&bull;[[Special:Contributions/NightWolf1223|<span style="color:green;">My hunts</span>]]&gt;</b></span> 23:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
: {{Ping|Al Begamut}} Other good ways to keep abreast of local events are to join a local chapter, such as [[:meta:Wikimedia New York City|Wikimedia New York City]] (some are for cities, some are for countries, and we have many sizes in between), and to watchlist local project pages, like [[WP:WPNY]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 16:25, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

== Is a user acct plus an IP user a sockpuppet situation? ==

While following my curiosity from the recent Teahouse entry titled "Wikipedia Page editing, updating and current removal of photos", I noticed that IP user 109.52.151.46 is almost certainly user Fabmac2024. The two in tandem have been used to tag-team edits to article Fabio Mancini as well as solicit assistance in their objectives (apparently driven by undisclosed payments, as noted on the article itself) on the talk pages of other users. Maybe this has already been recognized and dealt with, but my inquiry is somewhat more general, using this as an example: (1) Irrespective of the paid-disclosure and exertion-of-control matters with regard to a specific article, themselves, is the use of an IP and a named user together in this manner wrong? and (2) If yes, then should I notice it, what steps ought I to take to invite appropriate administrative attention? [[User:Al Begamut|Al Begamut]] ([[User talk:Al Begamut|talk]]) 16:13, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

:I've filed an SPI report for Fabmac2024 at [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sjutt]]. They seem to be a part of a large UPE farm (see [[User:Shoshat|Shoshat]]). You can file a report for an IP but CheckUsers will not connect them to accounts, so it will have to be a purely behavioural investigation. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 16:55, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
::Your response is a bit technical for me; I'm entirely unfamiliar with the processes and terms you mention. Does this mean that, yes, an IP account that can be connected with a user account which together are doing such things is a cognizable assertion of possible sockpuppetry? [[User:Al Begamut|Al Begamut]] ([[User talk:Al Begamut|talk]]) 17:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:::A [[WP:CHECKUSER|CheckUser]] is someone who can see IP addresses that have been used by accounts and thus determine if the accounts have been used by the same person. For privacy reasons, they won't say if a specific IP address has been used by a specific account, so the investigation will have to be based purely on behavioural, not technical, evidence. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 17:21, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Al Begamut}} yes, per [[WP:LOUTSOCK]]. [[User:Folly Mox|Folly Mox]] ([[User talk:Folly Mox|talk]]) 00:41, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you. [[User:Al Begamut|Al Begamut]] ([[User talk:Al Begamut|talk]]) 17:24, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

== Draft keeps Getting Declined ==

Hi, I'm trying to create an article about the [[Draft:Compute pipeline|Compute Pipeline]]. I do not want to send another request because I've already had 3 declined. They keep on declining because of my sources. What's wrong with my sources? I think they're pretty good. [[User:Coulomb1|Coulomb1]] ([[User talk:Coulomb1|talk]]) 15:09, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Coulomb1|Coulomb1]] The first source is supposed to go to a .pdf but when I click on it, I get redirected to a top-level [https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/on-demand/ on a nvidia website]. That's not a good start. Other sources don't seem to be from people [[WP:INDEPENDENT]] of the topic, or mention DirectCompute but not specifically Compute pipeline. Given we already have a small article at [[DirectCompute]], why not just expand that? [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 16:34, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
::Oh man, it was the wrong link. Anyway, I think it would make some sense to just expand the DirectCompute article. I guess I'll do that. [[User:Coulomb1|Coulomb1]] ([[User talk:Coulomb1|talk]]) 17:52, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Coulomb1|Coulomb1]], hi and welcome to the Teahouse! Asking instead of sending your draft for review again is a good call - always make sure you've made changes to your draft between reviews, trying to improve it, because otherwise reviewers will conclude it simply cannot be improved and will reject it (which means the end of the road for that draft).
:Your first problem appears to be that as far as I can tell, none of your sources actually contain the phrase 'compute pipeline'. This makes it kind of impossible to use any information from them, because they're not talking about the topic. This is usually one of the first things reviewers look for; your sources should all be primarily about your draft's topic ([[WP:SIGCOV|significant coverage]]). Your second problem is that you need your sources to have been [[WP:RS|published in reputable places with editorial oversight]]. At the moment I'm seeing a list of videos (cited to Young - perhaps the wrong link?), two powerpoints (cited to Kramer and Lively) which I think would be treated like blogs (not reliable), and one journal article (Graham-Smith) which would probably be a good source if it actually mentioned 'compute pipeline'.
:Sorry I don't have better news for you - Mike Turnbull's advice about improving the DirectCompute article is good, and I'd go with that if I were you. Happy editing! [[User:StartGrammarTime|StartGrammarTime]] ([[User talk:StartGrammarTime|talk]]) 16:35, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Coulomb1|Coulomb1]] I'll add that it's highly unlikely you're going to find sources which use the term "compute pipeline" as a term ''specifically'' referring to DirectCompute's shader pipeline; even the sources you currently have on the page do not do this. [[Pipeline (computing)|Pipeline]] is a standard general term in computer architecture. I second Mike Turnbull's recommendation that it might be easier to try expanding the existing [[DirectCompute]] article with the information you want to add. [[User:Dylnuge|<span style="color: #1e79a1;font-weight:700;">Dylnuge</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Dylnuge|''Talk'']] • [[Special:Contributions/Dylnuge|''Edits'']])</sup> 16:37, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

== Seeking advice regarding when to bring an editor to ANI ==

Jesse's questions:
# When should I ''seek dispute resolution'' first and when should I come straight to the Administrators' noticeboard?
# What ''level of disruption'' merits bringing an editor to ANI?
# How should I weigh ''promises to do better''?
# How should I weigh ''breaking'' such promises?
# How should I weigh the extent to which they calm down when other editors are ''extra careful to be civil''?
# Should I only look at where I encountered them naturally, or should I add in some stalking to decide whether to bring a case and to make my case?
#* Is it appropriate for me to write ''automated tools'' to estimate how much someone is edit-warring, how often they are reverted, etc?
#* and the number of warning messages left on their talk page?
# Does it matter whether designated ''contentious topics'' are involved?
# Is there a FAQ with answers to these questions, or should there be?

{{mhair}}[[User:Jruderman|Jruderman]] ([[User talk:Jruderman|talk]]) 09:27, 4 August 2024 (UTC) {{small|(subsequently moved from ANI to Teahouse)}}

:@[[User:Jruderman|Jruderman]] That's a lot of questions but most are answered at [[WP:AGF|the guideline on assuming good-faith]]. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 16:42, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

::Some answers, from my own point of view:
:*1: AN/I is a part of the dispute resolution process, not separate from it. There are several "paths" through dispute resolution, and it will always be fact-dependent on the particular dispute as to which one is appropriate. AN/I is for "urgent incidents or chronic, intractable behavioral problems." If the dispute is not urgent, that's a good sign that there's time for dispute resolution first. If the dispute is something that's indicative of a repeated, chronic, or intractable problem, there's likely already been DR steps taken previously, and it makes more sense to skip straight to the noticeboard step for broader community discussion. Use your best judgment; and if in doubt err on the side of DR first. 
:*2: Again, it depends, and you'll have to use your best judgment here. In general I'd worry less about the "level of disruption" and more about engaging with the the editor to try and resolve the dispute if you think it's potentially questionable at AN/I. Additionally, consider if there's other people being affected by these actions, or just you -- the more people being impacted, the more disruptive the actions are likely to be. 
:*3: That's solely up to you. You can consider it an extension of [[WP:AGF|assumption of good faith]] but you are not *required* to give it any weight at all, especially from an editor with a history of breaking promises, lacking trustworthiness, [[WP:CIR|lacking competence]] or who doesn't seem to be [[WP:HERE|here for the right reasons.]] Remember, assumption of good faith is not a [[WP:PACT|suicide pact]]. The AGF policy is instructive here: {{tq|This policy also does not mean you should ignore clear evidence of disruptive behavior or violations of site guidelines or accept all edits without question. Some bad actors may insist that trust in them should be immutable, per "assume good faith," even when there is evidence that doubts them. However, editors should remember to not disregard patterns of harmful editing, nor should they overlook obvious attempts to deceive, vandalize, or push a biased agenda. Instead, "assume good faith" encourages editors to start with the belief that others are trying to improve Wikipedia. When you encounter a problematic edit, it's important to investigate and address it, but do so with the mindset that mistakes can happen and not every error is made with malicious intent.}}
:*4: Same answer as #3. 
:*5: Same answer as #3.
:*6: Careful how you word that. [[WP:HOUNDING|Hounding]] people is considered a form of harassment; but there are also legitimate reasons for reviewing another editor's history for additional evidence or infractions. In general, as a new user, I'd suggest focusing only on where you encounter it naturally, and not go "looking for trouble" until you're more familiar with our policies. There are plenty of admins free to do that for you.
:*6a: So long as your automated tools are compliant with bot policy, you're welcome to do whatever you'd like there. If the tool is good enough to get widespread adoption, people will be very grateful for your efforts. 
:*6b: Same as above, but note that "number of warning messages" is not a consistently reliable indicator for user behavior; there is a general understanding that we should "not template the regulars" so older accounts will likely have fewer warnings naturally; warnings can be incorrectly issued, and there's no requirement that one steps through the entire warning process -- admins will frequently jump straight to a more advanced warning if they feel an editor needs the stronger language. So yes, you *can* do this, but I'm not convinced it will be helpful.
:*7: Yes. A contentious topic may, or may not, be automatically subjected to various restrictions by ruling of the arbitration committee. In most CTOPS cases, the committee has just authorized the procedure to be enacted, and it is subsequently up to an uninvolved administrator to issue any sanctions or remedies under it. In a few cases, the ArbCom itself has already prescribed a topic-wide sanction -- usually the 30/500 restriction (ECR). Notably, this includes the Arab-Israeli conflict area, which is where I most commonly see it encountered, but there are others. In those scenarios, the restriction is automatically applied to everything under the subject matter of the topic. Always check the topic and its remedies first before editing there. 
:*8: I have no idea if there is one, but couldn't fathom how difficult it would be to write something that adequately covers all the edge case scenarios while being instructive enough for common practice and readable/understandable by newbies. 
Hope these answers help. [[User:Swatjester|<span style="color:red">⇒</span>]][[User_talk:Swatjester|<span style="font-family:Serif"><span style="color:black">SWAT</span><span style="color:goldenrod">Jester</span></span>]] <small><sup>Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!</sup></small> 18:42, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
:{{yo|Jruderman}} In addition to the input given above, I'd recommend reading [[WP:ANI advice]], which is probably the closest thing the community has to an FAQ with answers to these questions. [[User:Left guide|Left guide]] ([[User talk:Left guide|talk]]) 21:24, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
:Here are a few thoughts from someone who has worked at resolving disputes.  There are sometimes said to be two types of disputes, content disputes and conduct disputes.  It is more accurate to say that a dispute may have content issues, conduct issues, or both.  Often there is a content issue, but the conduct of one or both parties makes it difficult to resolve the content.  Edit-warring is an example of conduct that interferes with content-oriented editing.  Ask whether the dispute is about an article.  I often ask the parties to a dispute what each of them is trying to change in the article that the other editor wants to leave the same, or what each of them wants to leave the same that the other editor wants to change.  If that basic question can be answered, then there is a content dispute, although there may also be conduct issues.  If there is a content dispute, consider asking for a [[WP:3O|third opinion]] or for moderated discussion at [[WP:DRN|the dispute resolution noticeboard]], or posting a properly worded [[WP:RFC|RFC]].  Sometimes one of those options may bypass any conduct problems.  Also, if you have tried [[WP:3O|third opinion]] or [[WP:DRN|the dispute resolution noticeboard]], and the other editor has declined to participate or been uncooperative, then a report to [[WP:ANI]] is more likely to be considered.   [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 21:54, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
:If the topic is a [[WP:CTOPIC|contentious topic]], and conduct interferes with addressing the content issue, it is best to report it to [[WP:AE|Arbitration Enforcement]] rather than [[WP:ANI]].  The administrators at [[WP:AE| Arbitration Enforcement]] can often deal with a stubborn or disruptive editor with less drama than at [[WP:ANI]].[[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 21:54, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

== Wikipedia protection levels ==

True or false? The Wikipedia article "Child abuse" is subjected to indefinite 30/500 protection. [[Special:Contributions/2001:569:7C11:B400:458A:50C7:52EF:A334|2001:569:7C11:B400:458A:50C7:52EF:A334]] ([[User talk:2001:569:7C11:B400:458A:50C7:52EF:A334|talk]]) 22:23, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

:I already answered this question but you deleted the section. No, anyone can edit it. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 22:25, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
::I'm not asking you, CFA. I'm asking Wikipedia administrators. [[Special:Contributions/2001:569:7C11:B400:458A:50C7:52EF:A334|2001:569:7C11:B400:458A:50C7:52EF:A334]] ([[User talk:2001:569:7C11:B400:458A:50C7:52EF:A334|talk]]) 22:26, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Hoary}} per [[Special:Diff/1238534877|your suggestion]]. [[User:Folly Mox|Folly Mox]] ([[User talk:Folly Mox|talk]]) 11:46, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
:The only protection currently set on that page is indefinite admin-only move protection. CFA is correct per [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Child_abuse&type=protect the protection log], which is publicly viewable. An administrator would see exactly the same details. [[User:Bsoyka|<span style="color:#fff;background:#055;padding:.2em">'''Bsoyka'''</span>]] (<i>[[User talk:Bsoyka|t]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Bsoyka|c]] &bull; [[User:Bsoyka/Guestbook|g]]</i>) 22:27, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
::I am an administrator and that statement is false. [[Child abuse]] has not been protected since 2019. Also, any editor can answer Teahouse questions, not just administrators. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 22:43, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Not sure if you meant to reply to me or the original question, but I'm definitely confident in my answer. Either way, to add a little more context for the IP asking, while the edit protection expired in August 2019, that page has been protected from moves since 2007 (and in 2009 it was switched to admin-only) and still is. From the latest [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Child_abuse&type=protect log]: {{Tq|1=[Edit=Require autoconfirmed or confirmed access] (expires 21:21, August 9, 2019) [Move=Require administrator access] (indefinite)|q=y}} [[User:Bsoyka|<span style="color:#fff;background:#055;padding:.2em">'''Bsoyka'''</span>]] (<i>[[User talk:Bsoyka|t]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Bsoyka|c]] &bull; [[User:Bsoyka/Guestbook|g]]</i>) 23:01, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
::::{{u|Bsoyka}}, I was responding to the IP/OP, not to you. If I was responding to you, I would have pinged you. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 23:05, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::{{u|Cullen328}}, there is, or anyway there used to be, a convention whereby a comment below another comment and indented by an additional colon is/was understood to be a response to that comment. (I understand that the "reply" function, which I have never used, encourages commenters to ignore this and yet is very popular.) -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 23:31, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Hoary|Hoary]], maybe the "reply" function has been updated in some way - I use it almost exclusively and to the best of my knowledge it's always threaded correctly (but I haven't been here that long). Do you use 'edit source' instead, or something else, if you don't mind me asking? [[User:StartGrammarTime|StartGrammarTime]] ([[User talk:StartGrammarTime|talk]]) 11:09, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::[[User:StartGrammarTime|StartGrammarTime]], I use "Edit", which edits the source. (I see no option for "replying" or "visual editor". I daresay if I poked around in "Preferences" I could add these options, but I've never wanted to do so.) -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 11:16, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::::[[User:Hoary|Hoary]], that's so interesting, I didn't realize there was a toggle! It must have been turned on automatically for account creation at some point before I registered an account. Thanks for answering! [[User:StartGrammarTime|StartGrammarTime]] ([[User talk:StartGrammarTime|talk]]) 16:08, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::In my experience with ReplyTool, its threading choices have [https://sigma.toolforge.org/summary.py?name=Folly+Mox&search=fix+ReplyTool%27s&server=enwiki&max=500 required several alterations.] [[User:Folly Mox|Folly Mox]] ([[User talk:Folly Mox|talk]]) 11:17, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
:Now I'm curious as to where ReplyTool would choose to thread a reply to the OP. Turns out it puts it here. [[User:Folly Mox|Folly Mox]] ([[User talk:Folly Mox|talk]]) 11:09, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
::[[User:Folly Mox|Folly Mox]], you might try replying to CFA's message (currently the topmost but one). I'd put it immediately below the OP's remarkable riposte ("I'm not asking you, CFA. I'm asking Wikipedia administrators") and start it with two colons. But I suspect that this "reply" thing defaults to three colons. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 11:37, 4 August 2024 (UTC) <small>... and yes, that worked just as it should have worked. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 21:36, 4 August 2024 (UTC)</small>
:::And the moral of the story is . . . always check the placement and contextual indentation of your replies after 'publishing', and re-adjust them if and as necessary.
:::''Sigh'', ever get nostalgic for hot-wax mechanical paste-up? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.211.211|94.1.211.211]] ([[User talk:94.1.211.211|talk]]) 22:06, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

== A new user might need help (not me) ==

I was trying out the public logs to see how they worked and practice using them and such, and, out of curiosity, I wanted to see some accounts that were created today. I noticed one which had created its user page, but was seemingly using it to try and create an article. I didn't want to message the user myself just b/c I'm kind of new too, and thought I might not be following the right protocol. Also, I'm not sure if English is their first language. If this is none of my business and something I shouldn't do, please tell me so I know in the future. And apologies as well. The user's name is [[User:Ismailsabrikhushab]]. [[User:Solitaire Wanderer|Solitaire Wanderer]] ([[User talk:Solitaire Wanderer|talk]]) 01:57, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

:It's great helping out other users. See more about Wikipedia at [[WP: Welcome]]. [[User:Cwater1|Cwater1]] ([[User talk:Cwater1|talk]]) 02:07, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

:I've asked the writer, at [[User talk:Ismailsabrikhushab]]. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 02:13, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
::New accounts often use their own User page as a place to create an article. Standard follow-up is to advise them to use [[WP:YFA]] as guide to creating a draft, and [[WP:UP]] for what a User page is for. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 02:19, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the help guys. On another note, I know Wikipedia also prohibits User pages that are purely promotional in nature, i.e. promoting a random business/website. I saw a few pages possibly like that upon a glance at the page creation area again. Where do I report those? Do they go to speedy deletion? [[User:Solitaire Wanderer|Solitaire Wanderer]] ([[User talk:Solitaire Wanderer|talk]]) 12:09, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Consider as first step leaving a message on the editors' Talk pages that what they have posted is wrong. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 13:00, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thanks! [[User:Solitaire Wanderer|Solitaire Wanderer]] ([[User talk:Solitaire Wanderer|talk]]) 14:02, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Hoary|Hoary]] This account appears to be a sock of [[User:Imam ul nahw ismail sabri]]. [[User:Helpful Raccoon|Helpful Raccoon]] ([[User talk:Helpful Raccoon|talk]]) 23:47, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

== Links ==

I am look on some pages that have links to other pages, but I go onto the pages that have been linked by that page and that link isn’t on that page although it says it is. Like one of my pages [[Prince Karl of Hesse]] which I created has a bunch of links to different members of the House of Hesse but when I check on those article it does not link to [[Prince Karl of Hesse|Prince Karl]] in any way at all, there is no indication of there to say he is linked. Could you please tell me why this is. ( sorry if I made this confusing btw) [[User:Azarctic|Azarctic]] ([[User talk:Azarctic|talk]]) 21:42, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
:All such links are one-way, and can be created ''ad infinitum'' in the article ''from which'' they link: there is no guarantee that the article they link ''to'' will be relevant (though if it isn't they should not have been created), nor any guarantee that there will be any links back to the original article.
:Links are created by individual editors, not (usually) automatically. If article A has a link to article B, and you think that article B should have a link to article A, you or someone else would have to create the latter link, ''if'' it is appropriate to article B.
:Relationships between articles may instead be navigated via the [[WP:templates|templates]] and [[WP:categories|categories]] that can be found at the foot of most articles. again, someone has to create these: they will not appear as if by magic (as far as I know). Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/94.1.211.211|94.1.211.211]] ([[User talk:94.1.211.211|talk]]) 21:59, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
::Ok I understand that partly, but say on Article A it says that it is linked to Article B but their is no appearance of Article A to be linked on Article B, where would the link be made and how would it be made? Also here is my example, [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Prince Karl of Hesse|pages that link to "Prince Karl of Hesse"]], there are many members of the [[House of Hesse]] that are linked to his page but I click on their article and Prince Karl is mentioned nowhere. [[User:Azarctic|Azarctic]] ([[User talk:Azarctic|talk]]) 22:09, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Could the reason why he's not mentioned be a combination of (i) not really being a prince, and (ii) not being notable? -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 23:26, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
::::But it’s not just on his page that’s just an example. And he is notable he passes [[WP:Basic]] and there’s been a discussion on that. Also the pages that links to him is also pages that are also linked to all members of the [[House of Hesse]]. [[User:Azarctic|Azarctic]] ([[User talk:Azarctic|talk]]) 23:28, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Azarctic}} The articles use the navigation template {{tl|Princes and Landgraves of Hesse}} which links to [[Prince Karl of Hesse]]. However, you use the mobile version where navigation templates are omitted. You can see it by clicking the "Desktop" link at the bottom of pages. This is admittedly very confusing. See [[User:PrimeHunter/Source links.js]] for a way to search for links which are in the page source and not just a used template. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 23:51, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::On [[Prince Karl of Hesse]] it produces [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?trimsearch=1&profile=all&search=linksto%3A%22Prince%20Karl%20of%20Hesse%22%20insource%3A%22Prince%20Karl%20of%20Hesse%22%20insource%3A%2F%5C%5B%5C%5B%3A%3F%5BPp%5Drince%20Karl%20of%20Hesse%5B%5C%5D%5C%7C%23%5D%2F Source links]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 23:53, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::Ah! Thanks so much. Yes I’ve just realised it is templates, and sometimes I do use desktop mobile version but I never acknowledged that. [[User:Azarctic|Azarctic]] ([[User talk:Azarctic|talk]]) 00:04, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

== do you guys want to help stop global warming? ==

join me and my friend a step up and stop global warming! are you in? <small>Name removed pending suppression [[User:Ahri Boy|Ahri Boy]] ([[User talk:Ahri Boy|talk]]) 00:34, 5 August 2024 (UTC)</small> thank you! [[Special:Contributions/2605:C840:801:31E0:2805:7D68:F99B:DBA9|2605:C840:801:31E0:2805:7D68:F99B:DBA9]] ([[User talk:2605:C840:801:31E0:2805:7D68:F99B:DBA9|talk]]) 20:58, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

:Hello, and welcome to the Wikipedia Teahouse. 
:While that is an important and valuable purpose, it is not within the remit of Wikipedia: please see [[WP:What Wikipedia is not|What Wikipedia is not]]. 
:So I wish you the best for your campaign, but please do not try to pursue it here. You might like to read our article [[global warming]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 21:01, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
::Also please remember that all Wikimedia projects are not launchpads for advocacy. The purpose of Wikimedia projects is to build a sum of all human knowledge. [[User:Ahri Boy|Ahri Boy]] ([[User talk:Ahri Boy|talk]]) 00:08, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

== Notability ==

how do i get my self on wikipedia [[Special:Contributions/147.161.162.202|147.161.162.202]] ([[User talk:147.161.162.202|talk]]) 13:51, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

:IP editor. You almost certainly don't as you are probably not [[WP:NBIO|wikinotable]]. [[WP:AUTO|Creating an autobiography]] is strongly discouraged for the reasons given at that link. See also why [[WP:PROUD|it may not be a wise step]]. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 16:39, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
::I like the phrase "not wikinotable". Less insulting than some alternatives :) [[User:Jruderman|Jruderman]] ([[User talk:Jruderman|talk]]) 03:47, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

== How create new wiki page for the organization? ==

Hi to all. I wanted to create new wiki page for the Shri Lal Mahal. Its a Indian Rice Miller and Exporter from India. How do I create a new wiki page for this organization? [[User:Rohitkumar775|Rohitkumar775]] ([[User talk:Rohitkumar775|talk]]) 07:44, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

:{{u|Rohitkumar775}} Hello. You say you are a freelance blogger; if you have taken on this company as a client, the Terms of Use require you to formally disclose that, please see the [[WP:PAID|paid editing policy]] as well as [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]].
:We don't have "wiki pages" for organizations here.  We have '''articles about''' notable topics, some of which are organizations.  They are not for the benefit of the organization in any way.  There may be benefits, but those are not our goal.  Our goal with regards to articles about organizations is to summarize what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about an organization, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of [[WP:ORG|a notable organization]]. Not every organization merits a Wikipedia articles, it depends on the sources and what they say is important/significant/influential about the organization.  Sources such as staff interviews, press releases, annoucements of routine business activities like the commencement of operations or product releases do not establish notability. Please see [[WP:YFA|Your First Article]].  It is highly recommended that you not dive right in to creating new articles- the most difficult task to perform on Wikipedia- and instead gain experience and knowledge by editing existing articles first, as well as using the [[WP:ADVENTURE|tutorial]] to learn more about Wikipedia. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 07:56, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

== Article Page Rejected Again - HELP! ==

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. [[User:Ayooladaniel|Ayooladaniel]] ([[User talk:Ayooladaniel|talk]]) 07:53, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

:Hello.  I assume that this is about [[Draft:Bolarinwa Olasunkanmi]].  Note that your draft was declined, not rejected.  Rejected has a specific meaning in the draft submission process, that a draft may not be resubmitted. Declined means that it may be resubmitted if you can address the concerns of the reviewer.  You posted the decline reason, but have not asked a question about it. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 07:58, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
::That's interesting. Thank you!
::How many references is needed to get an article page approved? [[User:Ayooladaniel|Ayooladaniel]] ([[User talk:Ayooladaniel|talk]]) 08:06, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
:::There is not a specific number of references that is being looked for, but to pass the submission process most reviewers look for at least three sources.
:::The first source you provide could not be found.  The second involves an interview with the individual you are writing about, which is not an independent source as it is the person speaking about themselves. The third also involves an interview; both of these two also just document a routine activity(a business collaboration) without saying what the sources see as important about it. The last, YouTube, is the person speaking about themselves.  YouTube itself is also not usually a valid source.  Please see [[WP:YFA|Your First Article]] as well as the [[WP:ADVENTURE|tutorial]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 08:16, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Alright, got it. 
::::Thanks [[User:Ayooladaniel|Ayooladaniel]] ([[User talk:Ayooladaniel|talk]]) 08:20, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
::In addition, you did not properly cite your sources. Please see [[Wikipedia:Citing sources]] on how to properly cite sources. Also the Nike hyperlink should not be in the text and should be either cited or be consider as "External Links or Further reading" section.  [[User:Soafy234|Soafy234]] ([[User talk:Soafy234|talk]]) 13:27, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

== Question about an already existing defunct account with zero edits ==

I want to change my name to "Astrobiology", the scientific field that encompasses the study of life in the universe. On the English Wikipedia, it seemed Astrobiology didn’t exist, so I promptly checked to see if the account existed. [[Special:CentralAuth/Astrobiology|It does]], however it was registered on 13 April 2013 (11 years ago) on the [[Chinese Wikipedia]], and has 0 edits. I was wondering if I could take this username and use it as my account name, mainly due to the fact no edit has been made on the account in over 11 years. I tried changing my username using the [[Special:GlobalRenameRequest]], but to no avail. If someone here was a [[m:Global_renamer|global renamer]], I would greatly appreciate if someone could change my username. Additionally, I feel uncomfortable using my real name, Bennett, so if I could have help or if someone could manually change my name I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks. [[User:Bennett1203|Bennett1203]] ([[User talk:Bennett1203|talk]]) 03:34, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Bennett1203|Bennett1203]] the right venue for this is at [[:meta:Steward requests/Username changes]]. [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 03:41, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
::Can you give me a rundown on how this is supposed to work. At the current moment I have to go to sleep, and tomorrow I have to go to a [[cat café]]. Sorry in advance. [[User:Bennett1203|Bennett1203]] ([[User talk:Bennett1203|talk]]) 03:46, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
:::What you are requesting for is an username usurpation. This requires an holding/notification period of one month to allow the other user to challenge the request if they are still active as one need not be actively editing to use the account. They may be using it to use the user customisations in the Preferences page. As such, you have to submit your request there under the "Requests involving merges, usurps or other complications" section. The details required are specified on the page itself. [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 04:10, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
::::I’ve made my request :) In the meantime, I will change my name to display Astrobiology, even though my real Wikipedia name is Bennett1203! [[User:Bennett1203|Bennett1203]] ([[User talk:Bennett1203|talk]]) 14:52, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
:::In the first sentence of the page you've tried using, there is a link to [[WP:RENAME]] which explains how to select the venue. [[User:Sir Kenneth Kho|Sir Kenneth Kho]] ([[User talk:Sir Kenneth Kho|talk]]) 09:38, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
::::How about being Astrobiologyfan?  [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 10:51, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::I think [[Special:GlobalRenameRequest]] would handle it, and there is no need for a one-month notification period in that case. [[User:Sir Kenneth Kho|Sir Kenneth Kho]] ([[User talk:Sir Kenneth Kho|talk]]) 12:24, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::Having a displayed name different from your account name will be very confusing for people trying to communicate with you. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 18:10, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah I’ve changed my mind about that [[User:Bennett1203|Bennett1203]] ([[User talk:Bennett1203|talk]]) 18:37, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

== Translating a page ==

Hey there! As a native Greek and fluent in English speaker, I had the idea to translate greek articles to english and maybe the other way around. Is there a process I have to follow for translated articles or I do it just like a normal article? Thanks in adcance, x <span style="font-family: Old English; background-color: silver; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:FENFEN|<span style="color: darkred">'''feni'''</span>]] [[User talk:FENFEN|<span style="color: darkred">''' (tellmehi) '''</span>]]</span> 20:52, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, {{u|FENFEN}}. Please read [[WP:TRANSLATE]] and [[WP:TRANSLATEUS]]. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 21:12, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

== PD posters ==

Is there a specific place or person to ask to restore deleted revisions of now public domain film posters? Like these  [[:File:Better Movies FilmPoster.jpeg|1]] [[:File:Below the Deadline (1921 film).jpg|2]] [[:File:Beyond the Sierras poster.jpg| 3]] which were all published before January 1, 1929 in the U.S. and are now in public domain but can't be transferred. [[User:Wiiformii|Wiiformii]] ([[User talk:Wiiformii|talk]]) 21:12, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
:[[WP:REFUND]]. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 21:41, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

== Talk page ==

there is some like the usvi or bvi territory flag looks trash. [[User:Zooblethethird|Zooblethethird]] ([[User talk:Zooblethethird|talk]]) 22:37, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

:Please don't change the flag unless there's enough discussion and reliable sources. [[User:Ahri Boy|Ahri Boy]] ([[User talk:Ahri Boy|talk]]) 22:40, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

== Is there a reason for an educational YouTube link to be blacklisted? ==

I was a editing a page for a language and it’s kind of hard to find examples of people talking in the language without YouTube links so would it be easier to transcribe part of the video into IPA? [[User:Koonarta5899|Koonarta5899]] ([[User talk:Koonarta5899|talk]]) 19:49, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

:Since you don't identify the link, it's hard to give you a definite answer. But much of the content of YouTube is actually copyright infringement (i.e. posted without permission from the copyright holder), and Wikimedia projects have a policy of not linking to copyright infringements. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 20:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
::So should I ask the creator permission? [[User:Koonarta5899|Koonarta5899]] ([[User talk:Koonarta5899|talk]]) 21:12, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
:::I'm going to chime in here. If you think this one particular Youtube link should be whitelisted, please do it here - [[MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist]]. Please note that you should elaborate why this link should be whitelisted. If for some reason you cannot add the link, try removing the http:// part (usually this will fix the issue).  [[User:Soafy234|Soafy234]] ([[User talk:Soafy234|talk]]) 21:21, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you [[User:Koonarta5899|Koonarta5899]] ([[User talk:Koonarta5899|talk]]) 21:30, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
::::It says there’s a place to write your request at the bottom but there’s nothing there [[User:Koonarta5899|Koonarta5899]] ([[User talk:Koonarta5899|talk]]) 21:33, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
:::No, Koonarta5899. You asked why it was blacklisted, and I gave a likely reason, but it may not be for that reason. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 21:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
::::All right thank you [[User:Koonarta5899|Koonarta5899]] ([[User talk:Koonarta5899|talk]]) 21:40, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
:{{yo|Koonarta5899}} I'm not certain what you're attempting, but here's a very common thing: when you copy a YouTube link, it uses the https:// youtu.be domain. This is blacklisted. If you use the https://youtube.com domain instead, it's not blacklisted. -- [[user:zzuuzz|zzuuzz]] <sup>[[user_talk:zzuuzz|(talk)]]</sup> 21:43, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
::Oh… thank you so much [[User:Koonarta5899|Koonarta5899]] ([[User talk:Koonarta5899|talk]]) 21:48, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
:::I see that worked (and nothing immediately strikes me as bad about this example). For an explanation for this weird quirk, and I admit it's odd, I assume that it's so that we can better control actual blacklisted items, rather than having to worry about all possible YouTube links to a video. -- [[user:zzuuzz|zzuuzz]] <sup>[[user_talk:zzuuzz|(talk)]]</sup> 21:56, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Oh that makes sense [[User:Koonarta5899|Koonarta5899]] ([[User talk:Koonarta5899|talk]]) 22:43, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

== Why are IPs often blocked for 31 hours specifically as their first block? ==

If you look at the [[Special:BlockList|blocklist]], you'll notice that the three most recently blocked IPs are all blocked for 31 hours specifically. Why is it exactly 31 hours, when 30 or 32 hours both make more sense? [[User:BombCraft8|BombCraft8]] <sup>([[User talk:BombCraft8|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/BombCraft8|contributions]])</sup> 16:27, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:BombCraft8|BombCraft8]], welcome to the Teahouse. There's a brief and handy explanation at [[User:Magister_Mathematicae/31_hours]]. [[Special:Contributions/57.140.16.8|57.140.16.8]] ([[User talk:57.140.16.8|talk]]) 16:46, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
::{{u|BombCraft8}}, I am an administrator and when an administrator blocks someone, there is a pulldown menu with various time options. 31 hours is one of those options. It is short but more than a day, and has become a customary short block length. 30 or 32 hours would require extra keystrokes. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 21:09, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
:::ok [[User:BombCraft8|BombCraft8]] <sup>([[User talk:BombCraft8|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/BombCraft8|contributions]])</sup> 01:10, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

== How do I contact someone from Wikipedia? ==

I'm getting so frustrated trying to find out how to cease my donations, as I'm having issues with paypal & need to close that too. I'm from Australia so our time will be different & you won't see this till tomorrow my time. But please someone help!!!
regards, K [[User:RocksyK|RocksyK]] ([[User talk:RocksyK|talk]]) 01:50, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:RocksyK|RocksyK]]: Hey! This is a community forum, so we can't help you much here. You'll need to email {{@|donate|wikimedia.org}}—best of luck! [[User:Bsoyka|<span style="color:#fff;background:#055;padding:.2em">'''Bsoyka'''</span>]] (<i>[[User talk:Bsoyka|t]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Bsoyka|c]] &bull; [[User:Bsoyka/Guestbook|g]]</i>) 01:52, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

== Seeking answers as an IP editor  ==

Technically I am not a new editor. But I don't know where else to ask this and I found this space to be helpful in the past. The thing is I edit anonymously by IP. I sometimes rack 2 to 12 edits in one day. And then don't edit for a while. And then my IP address changes by itself and then I edit again. I don't want to make an account. For own reasons, I prefer to just edit anonymously by IP. I done that for a while. But I understand it seems if you want to get respect, you need an account. This is conflicting to me. But I don't wish to edit Wikipedia on a long term or consistent basis. Hence I believe editing casually by IP anon, makes it much easier for me to not commit to anything. But I don't enjoy the ridiculous assumptions about me when I am an anonymous IP editor.

<b>My question</b> is that if I choose to be an anonymous IP editor. But if I edit the exact same article for over a month. But my IP address slighty differs over time when editing that article because I am using a mobile network. Am I supposed to actually disclose my past IP addresses despite I am obviously the same person?

Reason I ask is because I am not using any other account to edit Doping in China. Checkuser can go ahead and check me if they wish. But I  only ever edit that article in the past months using only anonymous IP editing. My IP address is also recognisable enough so I thought it was obvious enough to others it's me. 
These are the IP addresses I have edited the article with. {{user|49.195.14.60}}, {{user|49.179.43.130}}, {{user|49.180.105.75}}. {{user|49.186.109.79}},


But I suspect because I correct stuff like adding context that WADA believed that 'concentrations' are too low to have performance enhancing effects.[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1238673652] I think some partisan non-fans like to get rid of that info but they can't. So they cook up a phony rumor that they believe my above IP addresses are all one person. Insinuating something nefarious as if I had deliberately use slightly different IP addresses to add info to that article. 
What's worse is how an admin responds by saying they "suspects" that it's all the same person, implying deliberate concealment. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1238673652] 

As I am unable to edit the admin's talk page due to an IP range block, could someone kindly convey to Admin Red-tailed Hawk that all those IP addresses are indeed all mine? I have zero reasons for denying this, and I feel frustrated by the poor assumptions made towards IP editors like myself including but not limited to saying I am a new editor because they only see a few edits in my history log. Do everyone assume IP editors are all complete rookies? That's unfair. :( Thank you for reading this and any advice and assistance you can provide. [[Special:Contributions/49.179.43.130|49.179.43.130]] ([[User talk:49.179.43.130|talk]]) 06:08, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

:{{Courtesy ping|Red-tailed hawk}}. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 06:16, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

:I for one do not assume that IP editors are all complete rookies; and therefore no, it's not true that everyone assumes IP editors are all complete rookies. (Indeed, I know of some who cannot possibly be described as rookies, and whose contributions are always welcome.) You ask for advice. Mine is: Create a user ID (if you don't already have one), and log in as that user while editing. Yes, you are of course free not to log in (unless you're evading a block, of course); but if not using an ID results in a rather wordy plea that a certain set of IPs were all used by the same person, plus a plea to believe this and to pass on the belief to another user ... and in short results in the waste of other users' time, then I for one can't be bothered. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 07:26, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for the advice. I rather not waste my time dealing with bad editors who mass undo edits and provide no good reasoning. I suspect they can't remove the info by addressing it directly so they focus on using my anonymous IP editor background against me. So I considered your words and decided to start  an account called {{user|IP49XX}} that only claims those IP addresses I mentioned and so they know it's me without having to ever explain it again with a long thread that wastes other's time to read. I will use that account to deal with them and other articles that might be contentious and can invite the same issues I mentioned. Generally there's no problems in anon IP editing so don't think I have to give that up completely. But I think my issue is resolved. Thanks again for your advice. [[Special:Contributions/49.179.43.130|49.179.43.130]] ([[User talk:49.179.43.130|talk]]) 16:16, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
:Cheers on your efforts. It's sad to see big reverts without discussion on Talk:, but the discussions might just go nowhere anyway. The Xue case really shouldn't be in the introduction and it needs more references, but I do not want to waste my time in non-constructive edits and to be called Chinese trolls in the end. I doubt I am the only Chinese here. Classic Chinese don't believe in Wikipedia. — [[User:Kennyluck|Kennyluck]] ([[User talk:Kennyluck|talk]]) 07:29, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Kennyluck|Kennyluck]] What's a nuisance is how I added all this info  in the past months. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Doping_in_China&diff=prev&oldid=1238129675] [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Doping_in_China&diff=prev&oldid=1234898293] [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Doping_in_China&diff=prev&oldid=1237680833] [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Doping_in_China&diff=prev&oldid=1237684548] It's not that big of a deal whether it's included or not, but it is annoying how 3 others can easily mass remove it without fair reasoning.  [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Doping_in_China&diff=prev&oldid=1238183732] [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Doping_in_China&diff=prev&oldid=1238469775] [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Doping_in_China&diff=prev&oldid=1238594322] I have already did my part and reached out to them on talk twice and asked them to provide fair specific reasoning for their mass deletions. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Doping_in_China&diff=prev&oldid=1238642374] [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Doping_in_China&diff=prev&oldid=1238481378] [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Doping_in_China&diff=prev&oldid=1238290345]  Yet one instead continue to remove it all without a valid explanation but just lazily calling it as poorly written and sensational for their reasoning to delete it. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Doping_in_China&diff=prev&oldid=1238708153] I know I can just ignore them and always easily just add back in the info. It's too well sourced [https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cv2gygj1d28o] and important. I suppose I should just ultimately be patient here. Continue to add it in and request them to discuss in talk. I mean there's only so many times they can ignore my request to discuss on talk and remove info without reasoning. I do intend to document their conduct towards me, and only if I have to, and will use it to report them to admins for conduct issues. So I think I actually have it all handled now. Thanks for your reply. I appreciate what you do as well, from what I have seen. :)[[Special:Contributions/49.179.43.130|49.179.43.130]] ([[User talk:49.179.43.130|talk]]) 09:20, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
:I understand that mobile addresses are dynamic, and I have not blocked you for this reason. I don't see deliberate concealment, and there are certainly IP editors that I know who are not complete rookies (such as the resident IP address who helps out here a lot). — [[User:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: #660000">Red-tailed&nbsp;hawk</span>]]&nbsp;<sub>[[User talk:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: #660000">(nest)</span>]]</sub> 03:28, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

== Can I ask for advice on finding community on Wikipedia? ==

"The few times I’ve touched wikipedia, I’ve been struck by how isolating it can feel. It’s a very fend for yourself kind of place for me. Anywhere else online, my first impulse is to put out feelers. I make friends, ask for links to FAQs and guides, and inevitably someone takes me under their wing and shows me the ropes of whatever niche culture I’m obsessed with that month. It’s very collaborative, and prioritises friendships and enjoyment of pre-existing work over results. Wikipedia isn’t like that, as far as I’ve experienced. There’s no reciprocal culture; to just plunge oneself into the thick of things and start adding information can be highly intimidating, and there’s no structure set up to find like-minded people to assist one’s first attempts.[https://www.metafilter.com/100081/Wikipedia-Snips-and-Snails-Sugar-and-Spice#:~:text=times%20I%27ve%20touched-,wikipedia,-%2C%20I%27ve%20been%20struck URL]

Can I ask for advice on finding community on Wikipedia? <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:0 7px;background:orange">[[User:Rockycape|<span style="color:white">'''Rockycape'''</span>]]</span> [[User talk:Rockycape|(talk)]] 01:54, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

:(I'm going to reply to my own question here in case it helps other people. Nonetheless, I'd appreciate input from other people.)
:@[[User:Rockycape|Rockycape]] 
:*Sometimes just asking your question in a friendly and welcoming forum such as Wikpedia:Teahouse is all it takes to start feeling more part of the community.
:*After writing your question, perhaps take a moment to read over some of the answers to others questions here.  You'll likely see the care in the way the response is handled.
:*Take some time and return from the online world to the real world for a break.
:*If you don't want to take a break from Wikipedia completely, you could attend a Wikipedia meetup in person or via video conferencing.
:*If there is a WikiProject that you are interested in that has gone quiet then you could try to wake it up. Editing articles on topics of interest can be very rewarding and WikiProjects are a great way to find community.<span style="border-radius:8em;padding:0 7px;background:orange">[[User:Rockycape|<span style="color:white">'''Rockycape'''</span>]]</span> [[User talk:Rockycape|(talk)]] 02:38, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
::It looks like this is the source for your opening quote: https://www.metafilter.com/100081/Wikipedia-Snips-and-Snails-Sugar-and-Spice
::The time that I probably felt the greatest sense of community here was when I was working with a few other people to split part of an existing page off as a new page. But I also really appreciate the numerous people who've taken the time to answer my questions, even if I only interact with them briefly. [[User:FactOrOpinion|FactOrOpinion]] ([[User talk:FactOrOpinion|talk]]) 02:56, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:::I've personally enjoyed the interactions I've had on [[WP:DISCORD|the community Discord server]]. [[User:Dylnuge|<span style="color: #1e79a1;font-weight:700;">Dylnuge</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Dylnuge|''Talk'']] • [[Special:Contributions/Dylnuge|''Edits'']])</sup> 03:05, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:To add on, I'd be happy to "take you under my wing" and answer any questions you may have about contributing—feel free to [[User:Bsoyka/Contact|reach out]] whenever you'd like. I'm also somewhat active in the community Discord server mentioned above, and you can reach out there as well! [[User:Bsoyka|<span style="color:#fff;background:#055;padding:.2em">'''Bsoyka'''</span>]] (<i>[[User talk:Bsoyka|t]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Bsoyka|c]] &bull; [[User:Bsoyka/Guestbook|g]]</i>) 03:10, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

*First of all, Wikipedia is not social media, and should not be viewed that way, and treating it as social media is actively discouraged and/or prohibited. Your purpose on Wikipedia should be to build an encyclopedia -- if that is not your purpose, then you should not be on Wikipedia. If you have a question about something or need input on something, ask it on articletalk and/or on the WikiProject(s) the article is part of (see list at top of articletalk page). If you need general help, there are plenty of general help links and guidelines available. The other thing about Wikipedia is, if you do good work, others tend to notice -- so one major key to Wikipedia is to do good work: careful, extremely well-cited, accurate, notable work. [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 03:34, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]], Thank you.<span style="border-radius:8em;padding:0 7px;background:orange">[[User:Rockycape|<span style="color:white">'''Rockycape'''</span>]]</span> [[User talk:Rockycape|(talk)]] 04:33, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

== Submission for article on draft missing ==

Hello! I wanted to submit the [[Draft:20TOKENS]] but there is no button to do so. Can somebody help? x <span style="font-family: Old English; background-color: silver; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:FENFEN|<span style="color: darkred">'''feni'''</span>]] [[User talk:FENFEN|<span style="color: darkred">''' (tellmehi) '''</span>]]</span> 06:24, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:FENFEN|FENFEN]] done! -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 06:51, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

== "tournament" = "tournament" ==

In a chart for a muber of sporting events there is spelt "tournamen" which should be "tournament" It cannot be changed via the regular ways as it is in a chart. I tried listing it on the talk page but cannot find the coding for help. can someone do a seach on "tpurnamen" in order to get the 3-4 times it appears in WP. One example is in "2020 Western Athletic Conference men's soccer season". Thankyou.[[Special:Contributions/2603:8000:D300:3650:C4B7:E200:283A:C7B2|2603:8000:D300:3650:C4B7:E200:283A:C7B2]] ([[User talk:2603:8000:D300:3650:C4B7:E200:283A:C7B2|talk]]) 06:57, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:Near the top of the list in [[2020 Western Athletic Conference men's soccer season]], there's a set of links "V + T + E". Clicking on the "E" let me edit the template "Template:2020 Western Athletic Conference men's soccer standings". I used that to correct the error. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 07:13, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

== [[Xenophobia in Malaysia]] ==

I was trying to find some way to contribute, and settled on trying to copyedit a random page in need after seeing that idea at the Task Center page. However, after looking through the page [[Xenophobia in Malaysia]], I'm frankly not sure it should exist at all. The decently sourced, noteworthy aspects of the article are adequately covered at [[Xenophobia#Malaysia]], in my opinion.

To the extent the information does not overlap, it is either unsourced or often sourced to articles that discuss one incident or law, but do not necessarily characterize them as examples of xenophobia. I do not mean to minimize the very likely possibility that xenophobia contributed to such incidents or laws, but my understanding has always been that Wikipedia summarizes what reliable citations say, rather than adding its own analysis or spin on things. (But, please correct me if I'm wrong!)

This article also appears to be an outlier. According to the box at the bottom of the page, it appears most Asian countries do not have "Xenophobia in X" standalone articles, but rather are given appropriate weight in the main [[Xenophobia]] article.

I'm sure this is not the place to substantively discuss what should be done with this article; my question is more on process. If I think an article might be unnecessary, or better covered elsewhere, what do I do? Is there a process to suggest that? Thank you very much for your help! [[User:TrueNeutral879|TrueNeutral879]] ([[User talk:TrueNeutral879|talk]]) 00:58, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

:Yes, there's a process (though I've never used it myself) and a place where these discussions occur. See [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion|WP:AFD]]. [[User:FactOrOpinion|FactOrOpinion]] ([[User talk:FactOrOpinion|talk]]) 01:32, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
::Before deletion, see if the article can be [[WP:MERGE|merged]] or may be able to be [[WP:BLAR|blanked and redirected]] as it is. If someone else undos the redirect you can take it to AfD as suggested. [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 03:37, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
::1) One can tag an article for <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:notability|notability]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki> (Read policy:[[WP:ATD-T]]) concerns in that case you need explain your specific concerns at the article talk page.
::2) There are some procedures for [[WP:TNT]] and transferring the article to Draft name space. There were some policy changes which I am not updated about.
::3) As above comment indicated final option is [[WP:AFD]] but before that you need to address [[WP:AFDBEFORE]] and [[WP:ATD]] which says "If editing can address all relevant [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Reasons for deletion|reasons for deletion]], this should be done rather than deleting the page." Merging policy: [[WP:ATD-M]]
::4) Last but not least I browsed google scholar and google news and I can see reasonable number of [[WP:RS]] sources with which article can be updated. If some one produces list of such sources chance of AfD success reduces.
:* Pinging {{Ping|Jarble|DonFB}} since were discussing some issues at [[Talk:Xenophobia in Malaysia]] previously. After policy information feedback, any further  viability discussion supposed to move back at  [[Talk:Xenophobia in Malaysia]].
:Happy editing [[User:Bookku|&#32;Bookku   ]] ([[User talk:Bookku|talk]]) 03:49, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Bookku}} (Hope I did that correctly.) Thank you for the very helpful links. Sticking to the policy questions, rather than the substance - are there any rules of thumb on what changes I can just make (subject to discussing if someone expresses a difference of opinion) vs. what I should discuss first? I'm inclined to blank and redirect (as mentioned by Robertsky), while simultaneously taking the opportunity to expand [[Xenophobia#Malaysia]] a bit. Is that too "big" a change to just try, and see if anyone objects? [[User:TrueNeutral879|TrueNeutral879]] ([[User talk:TrueNeutral879|talk]]) 22:53, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
:::[[WP:MERGETEST]], [[WP:PROPMERGE]] seem to have some guidance. I have not practiced merging much, may be @[[User:Robertsky|Robertsky]] can guide you better.
:::[[xtools:articleinfo/en.wikipedia.org/Xenophobia|Xtool]] indicates users {{Ping|Rjensen|Donkey Hot-day}} seems, are significant active contributors of article [[Xenophobia]] may be they have any inputs to share with you. [[User:Bookku|&#32;Bookku   ]] ([[User talk:Bookku|talk]]) 04:42, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
: {{u|TrueNeutral879}}, imho the topic is likely notable enough for an article (but that remains to be proven), but [[Xenophobia in Malaysia]] is full of rampant [[WP:OR|original research]], and almost all of the content should be removed as pure OR, with the exception of a bit of content at the outset supported by reliable sources. I've tagged it, and commented at Talk. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 09:07, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
: Hi all. {{u|TrueNeutral879}}, the article definitely lacks sources at the moment (the FreeMalaysiaToday ref is dead but it seems to be referencing this [https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/27/opinion/tash-aw-unwelcome-in-malaysia.html NYTimes piece]) but the solution is not 'deletion b/c it is already covered in [[Xenophobia]]'. Ideally Wikipedia should have an article for Xenophobia/Racism in every notable country as long as it is covered by mainstream outlets. The problem here is that there's already a [[Racism in Malaysia]] article which makes this one redundant. The best solution imo is a [[WP:BLAR|blank and redirect]] or better yet a [[WP:MERGE|merge]] to 'Racism in Malaysia'. [[User:Donkey Hot-day|Donkey Hot-day]] ([[User talk:Donkey Hot-day|talk]]) 09:53, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

== Can I disassociate edits from my account that were made via my account? (Details Below) ==

My friend, who doesn't really understand Wikipedia's rules, recently used my computer, where I was logged into Wikipedia, to make some edits to [[User:VeryBoredWombat/sandbox|my sandbox]] page, containing some vulgar language and general silliness. Maybe this is a silly question, but is there any way to disassociate those edits from my account?

(I have reverted them, but still, I am worried that having that sort of thing attached to one's account edit log wouldn't help when having an admin look one up while they examine one's draft submissions.) [[User:VeryBoredWombat|VeryBoredWombat]] ([[User talk:VeryBoredWombat|talk]]) 22:08, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
:{{re|VeryBoredWombat}} We can delete the sandbox page. Admins will still be able to see the edits, but not anyone else, and that's the best deal you'll get. You can either add {{tl|db-user}} to anywhere on the page, or just say 'yes please' below and I'll take care of it. -- [[user:zzuuzz|zzuuzz]] <sup>[[user_talk:zzuuzz|(talk)]]</sup> 22:26, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
::Yes Please
::Thanks zzuuzz [[User:VeryBoredWombat|VeryBoredWombat]] ([[User talk:VeryBoredWombat|talk]]) 10:33, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

== How can I be Admin? ==

I know that I’m a newcomer, but I have the question How I can apply for being admin?, I had an wiki in fandom so I know what Admin means, but how I can apply for it? [[User:Protoeus|Protoeus]] ([[User talk:Protoeus|talk]]) 03:29, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
: You should definitely NOT apply for adminship until you've been here at least a couple of years and made several thousand edits (my cut-off preference for admin candidates is at least 20,000 edits). [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 03:37, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:Hey there @[[User:Protoeus|Protoeus]]! Applications for adminship can be located at [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship]]. I will say though that as you only have around 40 edits, I would '''not''' suggest applying until you have at least 10,000+ edits and have shown that you understand Wikipedia policies and other things. I was a Fandom editor in the past aswell, and I will say that most requests for adminship on Fandom are nothing like requests on Wikipedia. I'd wait at least 2+ years. Hope this helps! :) [[User:MemeGod27|Sir MemeGod ._.]] <small>([[User talk:Sir MemeGod|talk]] - [[Special:Contribs/Sir MemeGod|contribs]] - [[User:Sir MemeGod/Creations|created articles]])</small> 03:55, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, Protoeus, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. I hope you enjoy contributing here. 
:The basic question that every aspiring admin should ask themselves is "What specific thing do I want to do to contribute to Wikipedia, that I can't do without admin tools?" Unless you have a definite answer to that question, you should not put yourself forward as an admin, period. 
:I have been here nineteen years, and made 25 thousand edits, but I have never sought to be an admin, because there is nothing that I want to do that I need admin tools for. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 10:40, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

== Next steps? ==
Greetings-- A non-native English speaker has used an idiomatic noun incorrectly as a synonym for another noun (as a column heading in a table no less) on at least two articles and I'm not sure how to proceed. It's gone from two back-and-forth reverts, to my talk page, and finally to the article talk page, with the editor's only argument being that it appears in the dictionary. This article or talk page topic does not seem to generate enough interest to attract other editors' input. What is the next step to bring this to a resolution? [[User:Celjski Grad|Celjski Grad]] ([[User talk:Celjski Grad|talk]]) 09:37, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:I assume you're talking about [[Talk:2024_Wayanad_landslides]]. What is the other article?[[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 09:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, and [[2018 Kerala floods]]. [[User:Celjski Grad|Celjski Grad]] ([[User talk:Celjski Grad|talk]]) 10:01, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Celjski Grad|Celjski Grad]] English spelling doesn't seem to be a strong point of many who have been editing that article. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2024_Wayanad_landslides&diff=1238912427&oldid=1238908230 I've just changed] "doner" to "donor" in the table headings, as I don't believe [[kebabs]] were involved in the giving. Your way forward is probably to seek a [[WP:3RD|third opinion]] but at present the dispute seems to have settled down. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 10:33, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you for pointing me to [[Wikipedia:3RD|third opinion]]. Yes the article continues to generate a large amount of copyediting work, [[kebab|doner]] is particularly funny. [[User:Celjski Grad|Celjski Grad]] ([[User talk:Celjski Grad|talk]]) 10:46, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

== My draft was rejected ==

Dear Team Wikipedia,

Please kindly assist me with how to properly do my citations and references. [[User:Okorieonyemauchezar|Okorieonyemauchezar]] ([[User talk:Okorieonyemauchezar|talk]]) 19:51, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

:{{courtesy link|User:Okorieonyemauchezar/sandbox}}. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 19:55, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Okorieonyemauchezar|Okorieonyemauchezar]]. welcome to the Teahouse. You have been supplied with helpful instructions and links to more information on your talk page. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 20:25, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
::{{u|Okorieonyemauchezar}}. Your draft was declined not rejected. That's an important distinction. Please read [[WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY]] for an explanation of how trying to write an article about yourself is a bad idea. Self promotional language like {{tpq|uniquely known for his speed and wonderful ability to score because of his precise passing of the ball, and blessed with dribbling skill hat makes him maneuver with ease, in addition to his possession of both feet making it difficult to be stopped or predicted}} violates the [[WP:NPOV|neutral point of view]]. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 20:36, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
:::... and he would be much more notable as a footballer if he didn't have {{tq|possession of both feet}}. :-) [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:14, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
::: {{Tq|1="declined not rejected. That's an important distinction"}} In plain English, it's hardly a distinction at all. The good folk of AFC need to find better, less ambiguous, terms for what they're doing. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 14:44, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:I agree with the above from @[[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]], it reads almost like an ad or a pamphlet and barely makes much sense to be completely honest. [[User:MallardTV|MallardTV]] ([[User talk:MallardTV|talk]]) 13:30, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

== Link to a notable person with no Wikipedia article when there's another notable person by that name with a Wikipedia article ==

In researching some information about Edward Evarts, I ran across some information about his first wife Josephine Semmes. It turns out she was one of the developers of a widely used tactile sensitivity test. I started drafting a small article (a stub?) with what I found. 

[[User:Aurodea108/Josephine Semmes]]

(This would be my first article.) In my draft, I want to link to her collaborator, Prof. Sidney Weinstein (they developed the Semmes-Weinstein monofilament test). However, when I put a link to his name, it apparently goes to Lt. Gen. Sidney T. Weinstein, a completely different person. Prof. Sidney Weinstein 

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.3109/00207459209000529

is another notable person who should have his own article, and a disambiguation page should distinguish these two. In the meantime, what should I do about the link in my draft? [[User:Aurodea108|Aurodea108]] ([[User talk:Aurodea108|talk]]) 07:33, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

:[[User:Aurodea108|Aurodea108]], I haven't clicked on either the article about S T Weinstein or the tandofline.com link concerning S Weinstein. Let's suppose that S T Weinstein is or was a military person and that your S Weinstein is or was a paleontologist. Now, in your judgement, is the paleontologist [[WP:ACADEMIC|notable]], and is it likely that somebody will create an article about him any time soon? If the answer to both these questions is yes, then feel free to link to {{Code|[[Sidney Weinstein (paleontologist)|Sidney Weinstein]]}}; if the answer to one or more question is no, do not link. If an article on the paleontologist is created, no disambiguation page is needed; for an illustration of what will suffice instead, see what's in italics at the top of the article [[Akira Toriyama]]. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 07:49, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

:Hi, {{u|Aurodea108}}, welcome to the Teahouse! I followed some links, and Sidney Weinstein would meet [[WP:NPROF]] #8 for being editor-in-chief of the ''[[International Journal of Neuroscience]]'', if it can be established that ''Int. J. Neurosci'' is a {{xt|major well-established academic journal in [the] subject area}} (our article on the journal is pretty brief, but I'm not familiar with the topic area).{{pb}}He may also meet NPROF #1, since he's described as a founder of the field of neuropsychology both in the tribute (by his assistant at the journal he edited) linked above, as well as {{cite journal|vauthors=Bell-Krotoski JA| date=2011| work= Functional Neurology, Rehabilitation, and Ergonomics|volume=1|issue=3|pages=421–426|title=A tribute to Sidney Weinstein, PhD}}{{pb}} Some editors may disagree with my brief assessments here, but if you do end up creating an article for this Sidney Weinstein, there's not really a need for a disambiguation page {{ins|(unless [[WP:NOPRIMARY]] applies; haven't checked)}}. You can use {{tl|for}} on [[Sidney T. Weinstein]] and on your new article Sidney Weinstein (neuropsychologist) (or whatever) to help readers navigate between them. [[User:Folly Mox|Folly Mox]] ([[User talk:Folly Mox|talk]]) 11:06, 2 August 2024 (UTC) {{ins|{{small|edited 11:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)}}}}
::Having an eponymous device or method is also evidence of notability, per NPROF 1 and/or 7 (significant impact in their field). There is a nice section in [[Esthesiometer]] about the Semmes-Weinstein test (although completely uncited at this time). [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 13:38, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:Thank you, @[[User:Hoary|Hoary]], I have updated the link in my draft as you suggested. Thank you for the additional reference to Sidney Weinstein and the tips about notability and disambiguation, @[[User:Folly Mox|Folly Mox]]. I’m fairly certain he’s [[WP:ACADEMIC|notable]].  It might be late September before I can start an article about him though. It seems quite a bit more of an undertaking, as there is more information available. Thank you @[[User:DMacks|DMacks]], that also helps with the notability of Josephine Semmes. I am learning a lot from all of your help! [[User:Aurodea108|Aurodea108]] ([[User talk:Aurodea108|talk]]) 08:05, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
:I've mostly seen articles with the distinguishable profession in parenthesis.  [[User:MallardTV|MallardTV]] ([[User talk:MallardTV|talk]]) 13:33, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

== Graffiti article, splitting an article ==

Hello! For a while I have thought that the [[Graffiti]] article is a bit of a mess, and have wanted to clean it up, but it's quite an overwhelming task given the size of the article! I've never worked on anything this big before. I have seen today that [[Graffito (archaeology)]] is an article that deals with the kind of ancient graffiti that historians use to learn about the past, and a lot of the main graffiti article is dedicated to this, and there's more info there than on the archeology page.

I am sure before I read something about if you want to split an article (like if I were to move a bunch of stuff from the general article to the archeology one) there's a way to make sure to give credit to the original authors, but I can't remember?

Also, if I do this, there should still be information on ancient graffiti in the main article, how much of a summary is practical for a topic that has its own article? Many other aspects of graffiti are covered quite a lot in the main article too which since have had their own article created, how much information should be in the main page for topics that have their own article?

Thanks so much! [[user:Notcharizard|<span style="color:#70A67A">-- NotC</span><span style="color:#396340">hariza</span><span style="color:#0D2311">rd</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Notcharizard|<span style="color:#0D2311">🗨</span>]]</sup> 12:52, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Notcharizard|Notcharizard]] There is general advice at [[WP:SPLIT]]. That covers all the details, including how to credit earlier authors. In this case, I'd be inclined to outline your ideas on the Talk Page first. There are nearly 1000 watchers of [[Graffiti]], so you should get a lively discussion! [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 13:39, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you! I have posted on the talk page about splitting. Do you have any general advice, or know of any essays, about cleaning up articles which are very cluttered, or working on large articles? [[user:Notcharizard|<span style="color:#70A67A">-- NotC</span><span style="color:#396340">hariza</span><span style="color:#0D2311">rd</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Notcharizard|<span style="color:#0D2311">🗨</span>]]</sup> 13:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:::There are several ideas at [[WP:CLUTTER]] but I've no specific experience. Other Teahouse folk will, I'm sure, pitch in. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 14:06, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

== Wikipedia - Anais Seldon ==

I am trying to make a page about myself. [[User:Anaisseldon|Anaisseldon]] ([[User talk:Anaisseldon|talk]]) 14:35, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Anaisseldon|Anaisseldon]]: Welcome to the Teahouse! Unfortunately, we ask that you please avoid doing that. See our notes on [[WP:AUTO|autobiographies]] and why Wikipedia isn't the right place for them. [[User:Bsoyka|<span style="color:#fff;background:#055;padding:.2em">'''Bsoyka'''</span>]] (<i>[[User talk:Bsoyka|t]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Bsoyka|c]] &bull; [[User:Bsoyka/Guestbook|g]]</i>) 14:42, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:Re:[[User:Anaisseldon/sandbox]] Wikipedia is NOT a location for posting your CV, please stop. There is not  the slightest indication that you are [[WP:GNG|notable]]. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 14:45, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:User indef'ed. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 15:14, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

== wikipedia page approval ==

what can new wikipedian can do to make wikipedia page get approved,i need your help,is there anyone to assist please [[User:Patricko rwanda|Patricko rwanda]] ([[User talk:Patricko rwanda|talk]]) 10:04, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

:{{u|Patricko rwands}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse.  I'm afraid that you have a fundamental misunderstanding as to what Wikipedia is.  It is not a place like social media where people tell the world about themselves and what they do.  In fact, this is highly discouraged, please see the [[WP:AUTO|autobiography policy]].  Wikipedia '''articles''' summarize what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about (in this case) a person, showing how they meet the [[WP:BIO|special Wikipedia definition of a notable person]].  We don't want to know what you say about yourself, we want to know what others say about you.  Articles are typically written by independent editors wholly unconnected with the topic.
:My advice is that you go on about your career as if Wikipedia did not exist.  If you truly meet the criteria for an article, someone will eventually write one about you.  Be advised too that [[WP:PROUD|an article is not necessarily desirable]].  There are good reasons to not want one. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:15, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
::come to the point what do you mean by this? [[User:Patricko rwanda|Patricko rwanda]] ([[User talk:Patricko rwanda|talk]]) 10:18, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Writing about yourself is strongly discouraged, and you shouldn't attempt it. There are also good reasons to not want an article about yourself here. You should go on about your career as if you had never heard of Wikipedia. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
::::im here to learn not hard feeling i was starting on my self before i start writing on someone else,is that clear for you brother? anyways can you help out? i really need this [[User:Patricko rwanda|Patricko rwanda]] ([[User talk:Patricko rwanda|talk]]) 10:24, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::Writing a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia, even when one is not writing about themselves.  It is usually recommended that you spend much time (at least months if not a year or more, really) editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. Using the [[WP:ADVENTURE|new user tutorial]] is a good idea too.  These will greatly increase your chances of successfully writing a new article.
:::::Even then, you shouldn't write about yourself. That's what social media is for, or a personal website. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:28, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::thanks a lot, can i have your email address please? [[User:Patricko rwanda|Patricko rwanda]] ([[User talk:Patricko rwanda|talk]]) 10:30, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::No.  If you wish to communicate with me, you may use the "email this user" function when you visit my user talk page(it's found in a menu).  However, I only use email to communicate when sensitive personal information is involved; otherwise, please use my user talk page to communicate with me.  Wikipedia matters should be discussed on Wikipedia for openness and transparency. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:32, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::::okay, anyway who am i speaking with? whats your position here? [[User:Patricko rwanda|Patricko rwanda]] ([[User talk:Patricko rwanda|talk]]) 10:35, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::Hello, Patricko, and welcome to the Teahouse. 331dot is a volunteer editor, like all the people who visit this page. They happen to be an administrator, but that is not relevant here. Like myself, they are a very experienced editor, with a great deal of useful information for other editors, especially newer editors, and I would advise you to take note of what they say. 
:::::::::Like many editors, they choose not to reveal their real name, so the answer to who they are is "331dot". You can find more information that they choose to make public on their user page [[User:331dot]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 10:47, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::I am 331dot.  If you wish to discuss something with me, please do so at [[User talk:331dot]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:53, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Patricko rwanda|Patricko rwanda]] Start with reading [[WP:BACKWARD]] carefully. If you want to create a WP-article about yourself, you probably can't. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 10:16, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
::Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, not to assist or be co-authors. Standard advice is to put in significant effort improving existing articles before attempting to create an article, and to never attempt to create an article about yourself, as the great majority of those attempts fail - just wasting the time of reviewers. If you are truly here to learn (your words), the last thing you should be trying to do is writing about yourself. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 15:34, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

== Edit count ==

How may I put the automatically updating edit count in my user page template? [[User:De Cerreizo|De Cerreizo]] ([[User talk:De Cerreizo|talk]]) 12:12, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:De Cerreizo|De Cerreizo]] see {{tl|User contrib}} but more importantly, check the essay [[WP:Edit count]]. Happy <s>editing</s> counting! ~ 🦝 [[User:Shushugah|Shushugah]]&nbsp;(he/him&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User talk:Shushugah|talk]]) 12:38, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Shushugah|Shushugah]] OK, Thanks [[User:De Cerreizo|De Cerreizo]] ([[User talk:De Cerreizo|talk]]) 12:58, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Does that update automatically? The docs say it takes a specific number as one of its parameters. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 13:06, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:DMacks|DMacks]] It doesn't update automatically. Can you help? [[User:De Cerreizo|De Cerreizo]] ([[User talk:De Cerreizo|talk]]) 13:25, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::You'd have to make a bot that automatically changes the parameter every so often. Templates can't do something like that by themselves. I'm not sure why it really matters though. Can't you just update it manually every few weeks or something? <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 13:38, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:CFA|CFA]] Ok, thanks [[User:De Cerreizo|De Cerreizo]] ([[User talk:De Cerreizo|talk]]) 13:43, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::Indeed, I don't see a magic word or lua function to access the number of edits for an editor. That's the missing underlying feature that be required to have the box display live information. {{((}}[[User:UBX/LiveEditCounter]]{{))}} is close, in that a script triggers update of the hardcoded value, but I have no experience with it. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 15:13, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:DMacks|DMacks]] I installed that, it appears to be working. [[User:De Cerreizo|De Cerreizo]] ([[User talk:De Cerreizo|talk]]) 16:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:De Cerreizo|De Cerreizo]] I find it much more useful to list my recent contributions on my userpage. You can look the source code there to see how to do that. Also, if you activate [[WP:POP|Navigation popups]] at [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets]] you'll be able to see your own edit count and that of any other editor when you hover your cursor over their username. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 13:47, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Michael D. Turnbull]] OK, I'll do so [[User:De Cerreizo|De Cerreizo]] ([[User talk:De Cerreizo|talk]]) 13:50, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

== Lost creation ==

I was really enjoying composing a detailed article about medicinal marijuana for cancer patients. When I got a text message. I went to view the text and in the process, lost my article. is there any way I can get it back? [[User:Crookz85|Crookz85]] ([[User talk:Crookz85|talk]]) 06:32, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

:If you wrote it while logged in as Crookz85, then [[Special:Contributions/Crookz85|you didn't save ("publish") it]]. So Wikipedia has no trace of it. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 07:10, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
::Oh no! I had composed a pretty impressive article about the use of medicinal marijuana. Are you sure? it's really gone? [[User:Crookz85|C J Ruka]] ([[User talk:Crookz85|talk]]) 08:38, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Hello, Crookz85, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. I'm afraid that if you did not save ("publish") your edits, Wikipedia will not have them. There is an option in User Preferences/Editing called "Edit Recovery": I've never used it, and I don't know what it is like to use, but you could try it. (It won't help you recover information that you've already lost, but it might help you avoid that problem in the future). There is information about it in [[m:Community Wishlist Survey 2023/Edit-recovery feature]].  
:::On another subject: I don't wish to dampen your enthusiasm, but experience tells me that it is sadly unlikely that you created a "pretty impressive article". Writing for Wikipedia, and particularly creating new articles, is very different from almost anything anybody will have tried before, and there is a very steep learning curve. Nearly everybody who tries to create an article without some solid experience behind them has a disappointing and frustrating experience. {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}}
:::I hope you will take this as guidance intended to save you a lot of frustration, rather than meaning to put you down in any way. We all had to learn! [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 09:17, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
::::thanks so much. Omg I am so frustrated with this. I had a really good draft. If only I had have published the damn article before reading that fricking text! Anyway, thanks for answering my question. I'm intrigued by the whole ' I can get creative ' thing. Literally, I'm in geek mode lol. I'm getting excited about being able to tap in to my intellectual side and see what I can come up with. Thanks again for the reply. Happy editing? Lol. [[User:Crookz85|C J Ruka]] ([[User talk:Crookz85|talk]]) 10:02, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::One thing I'll point out: you can have as many [[WP:user sandbox|user sandbox]]es as you like - pages you create in your user space to try things out or work on them. As long as it's related to developing Wikipedia (so not your shopping lists or letters to your mum - or political diatribes) nobody will normally look at or interfere with these. So you can bang some text down there for later - just create [[User:C J Ruka/My first notepad]], or whatever you want to call it (the link is in red because it doesn't currently exist). [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 11:20, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::FYI - What you know from your own observations and conclusions, i.e., "original research", is forbidden. Your draft can only contain facts verified by references, per explained at [[WP:42]]. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 18:07, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

:: Hello, {{u|Crookz85}}. I can't add much to the good advice you've been given here (and in any case I am not a teahouse host, just a long-standing lurker). But let me make a suggestion for your future reference. Next time you plan on contributing a long or detailed article, start by drafting it off-line, using your favourite word processor or text editor. Paste it into Wikipedia only when it is nearing being ready to submit for publication. That way, not only will you be able to save the article to your local hard drive - and back it up to another drive or to the cloud - but you will also be able to take advantage of all the tools that the word processor offers, such as outlining, proofing, thesaurus, etc. At least, that's what I do. [[User:Mike Marchmont|Mike Marchmont]] ([[User talk:Mike Marchmont|talk]]) 16:38, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

==  Sour introduction ==

While browsing Wikipedia, I often encounter articles of wildly varying quality. Especially in subjects I'm experienced in, I can usually spot a nontrivial amount of unsubstantiated or outright wrong or outdated information, often introduced in a way that seems to conflict with Wikipedia's own guidelines. It frustrated me to the point that I finally decided to register an account and do what I thought would be an uncontentious revert of such spurious information, that in this case doesn't pertain to the article's subject. It was immediately reverted by [[User:Spf121188]], applying different standards to me than to the author who inserted that (unsourced, and with no rationale or justification) in the first place. I looked up his recent contributions, and my impression was "are incentivized to meet a certain quota?", because a lot of it seemed scattershot and overly precautionary.

I immediately felt like I'm wasting my time here, since it doesn't bode well for such cleanups. And even before that I registered it all felt like such an uphill battle, but it just assure me so.

I thought the article talk page (which the revert reason directed me towards) was a place for discussion for slightly more major plans and for questions regarding the article. I thought the whole point of editing being designed this way as it's on this site, Wikipedia, was to reduce unnecessary bureaucracy and bikeshedding.

I looked at my own talk page, and saw that the user in question sent me an introduction, so I assumed it'd be something he was willing to discuss However I was flabbergasted when he just silently removed it. and just acted contrary to the whole introduction to Wikipedia that he sent there me in the first place. I was thinking though that maybe I didn't make my intention clear enough, but he made his own intention clear after removing it the second time, the only communication from him being "get off my talk page" as his edit reason. [[User:Techno Mother|Techno Mother]] ([[User talk:Techno Mother|talk]]) 15:55, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
[[User:Techno Mother|Techno Mother]] ([[User talk:Techno Mother|talk]]) 15:55, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

:I've moved the discussion removed from reverter's user talk to the article talk page. [[User:Rotideypoc41352|Rotideypoc41352]] ([[User talk:Rotideypoc41352|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Rotideypoc41352|contribs]]) 16:11, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
::Update: seems to have reached a satisfactory conclusion there ([[Special:Diff/1238977563|diff]]). [[User:Rotideypoc41352|Rotideypoc41352]] ([[User talk:Rotideypoc41352|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Rotideypoc41352|contribs]]) 17:56, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:Welcome to the Teahouse! Article talk pages aren't limited to discussion of major plans. Other reasons to take a discussion to a talk page include avoiding an [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit war]] or simply answering someone's question. In terms of improving a page, removing incorrect information is appropriate, but it's even better if you can replace it with correct information that is substantiated with one or more [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]]. I hope that you won't feel like you're wasting your time; it can just take a bit of time to get used to the norms here. You can note on the talk page that you believe the original claim to be mistaken and that it had no citations substantiating the claims. Another response is to leave the claim on the page but add {{t|Citation needed}} [[User:FactOrOpinion|FactOrOpinion]] ([[User talk:FactOrOpinion|talk]]) 16:43, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:I do agree that reverting your messages on their talk page wasn't very helpful, but editors are allowed to do whatever they wish with their user and user talk pages. For matters regarding a specific article, it's generally better to discuss on the article's talk page so other editors can weigh in and you have a better chance of forming a [[WP:CONSENSUS|consensus]]. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 18:02, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

== Contact creator of a Wikipedia article ==

Is it possible to contact the person who wrote an article? I am trying to get a submission accepted for David Black, a TV writer/journalist/author, but have been told I was "peacocking." I plan to rewrite but I was thinking it might be easier if I was in contact with the writer of the new [March 2024] article about David's wife, [[Barbara Weisberg]].
Any and all suggestions are welcome. [[User:JoClarke100|JoClarke100]] ([[User talk:JoClarke100|talk]]) 18:31, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:JoClarke100|JoClarke100]]: {{welcometea}} You can see who contributed to an article by clicking on "View history" at the top of the page. It doesn't seem that the user who created the article, {{U|Asifelf}}, is active anymore. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 18:38, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
::I see. Thanks so much. [[User:JoClarke100|JoClarke100]] ([[User talk:JoClarke100|talk]]) 18:42, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
:::{{u|JoClarke100}} Editor [[User:Significa liberdade]] editted the Barbara W article more recently and is currently an active editor. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 20:31, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

== Inconsistent image preview in search bar ==

When searching in Wikipedia's search bar, the image preview for countries/territories/etc is almost always its own flag. However, when searching for the country of Niger the preview image is the world map showing where Niger is. Is this an issue to be fixed? How would one go about fixing it?

The only other country I could find that doesn't use the flag for the preview is Nepal, which uses the national emblem maybe because the flag doesn't show up well on a square preview [[User:Placeholderer|Placeholderer]] ([[User talk:Placeholderer|talk]]) 14:01, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:Placeholderer|Placeholderer]]. The image is selected automatically by [[:mw:Extension:PageImages]] which usually picks the first image (excluding small icons) and that's often the flag for countries. However, [[:mw:Extension:PageImages#How are images scored?]] says "images smaller than 119 pixels are weighted highly negatively". That's the width and the flag in [[Niger]] is only 100px. That's smaller than most countries for two reasons. The coat of arms of Niger is wide and displayed next to it. The flag is close to square and displayed with similar height as the coat of arms so the width becomes relatively small. It could be "fixed" with an infobox parameter to display a larger flag but we don't design infoboxes with page image selection in mind. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 20:34, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

== Importing Gallery pics into Microsoft Word ==

Here is a typical gallery picture code for importing into MS Word:

/media/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Datacenter_de_ARSAT.jpg 

Datacenter_de_ARSAT.jpg is about thumbnail size in the gallery, with a caption.

When imported into Word the picture increases size many times, with no caption.

How can the imported picture be adjusted in size to something closer to the original size together with the caption? ----[[User:MountVic127|MountVic127]] ([[User talk:MountVic127|talk]]) 22:43, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

:Hello, MountVic127. You are asking about transferring data from a system which is not Wikipedia (though it is related), to a system which is nothing at all to do with Wikipedia. This is really not the place. I suggest you ask at Commons: try [[C:COM:Village pump]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 22:54, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:{{ec}} What [[User:MountVic127|you]]'re seeing ''is'' the original size. If you want a smaller version, do you see right under the image at [[:File:Datacenter de ARSAT.jpg]], {{tq|Size of this preview: [/media/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/Datacenter_de_ARSAT.jpg/800px-Datacenter_de_ARSAT.jpg 800 × 534 pixels]. Other resolutions}} followed by links to various image sizes? [[User:Rotideypoc41352|Rotideypoc41352]] ([[User talk:Rotideypoc41352|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Rotideypoc41352|contribs]]) 22:55, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

== Sockpuppeteer interested in hurricanes? ==

Hey everyone, I’m wondering if there are any known sockpuppeteers with a particular interest in hurricanes or meteorology topics? I’ve spotted someone who is clearly gunning to become an admin and it just doesn’t sit right. The last thing I want for the community to be nearly fooled again a la the Eostrix RfA. [[User:Musinure|Musinure]] ([[User talk:Musinure|talk]]) 03:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:Hey there @[[User:Musinure|Musinure]]! There is one person that I am aware of (who I will withhold their name) who does sock puppet in areas specializing in tropical cyclones and hurricanes. I will tell you right now though, that User:Zzzs is most likely '''not''' a sock puppet. I would also refrain from [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks|personally attacking other users]], even if it is on your own talk page. Hope this helps! :) [[User:MemeGod27|Sir MemeGod ._.]] <small>([[User talk:Sir MemeGod|talk]] - [[Special:Contribs/Sir MemeGod|contribs]] - [[User:Sir MemeGod/Creations|created articles]])</small> 03:26, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:{{courtesy ping|Zzzs}}. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 03:34, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:New editors [[WP:NAAC|can and do learn much quicker than you'd think]]. It doesn't always mean they're a sockpuppet. We have to [[WP:AGF|assume good faith]] when there is no evidence of anything otherwise. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 03:39, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Musinure|Musinure]] Why are you suddenly accusing me of being a sockpuppet? All I did was remind you to follow [[WP:CITE]] and [[WP:CIVIL]] so you don't run the risk of being blocked. The long term goals is to motivate me to contribute more to the encyclopedia, not to speedrun adminship. --<span style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:100%;color:#00008B;background-color:transparent;;CSS">[[User:Zzzs|<sub>Z</sub>Z<sup>Z</sup>]][[User talk:Zzzs|'S]]</span> 03:44, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

== Penalty for not notifying editor? ==

I just discovered that an editor posted a question on the [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard|neutral point of view/noticeboard]] that mentioned me, though not by name, very explicitly. They did not notify me of this, despite the bold, bright red text at the top telling them to do so. What can I do about this? Is there a penalty? It was posted hours ago and they had every opportunity to tell me, but didn't. Thank you, [[User:TanRabbitry|TanRabbitry]] ([[User talk:TanRabbitry|talk]]) 05:12, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:A warning that points out the lapse would be appropriate in this scenario. Since you are contributing to the discussion there's no point in notifying you now. <small>'''''[[User:Polyamorph|Polyamorph]]''''' ([[User talk:Polyamorph#top|talk]])</small> 05:24, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Polyamorph|Polyamorph]]
::Unfortunately, I attempted to warn this user twice about assuming good faith. They deleted the warnings, re-added the offending statement and accused me of "pestering" them. I think any warning (certainly any from me) would fall on deaf ears. I am glad I noticed, but their statement had been there for the better part of a day and it is only really chance that I saw it. They evidently had no intention of obeying the rules. [[User:TanRabbitry|TanRabbitry]] ([[User talk:TanRabbitry|talk]]) 05:34, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:::This is not the correct venue to report user conduct. I refer you to [[WP:DR]]. <small>'''''[[User:Polyamorph|Polyamorph]]''''' ([[User talk:Polyamorph#top|talk]])</small> 05:38, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

== Copyright on "remixed" works ==

Title may not be accurate, copyright is very confusing for me, sorry!

I am writing a draft article on [[Draft:Character (graffiti)|graffiti characters]], and in my research I learnt about the influence of [[Vaughn Bodē|Vaughne Bodē]]'s comics on early modern graffiti and I realised I've seen his characters painted in my local town. I wanted to take a photo for the article, but figured that as Bodē (or his son now) owns the copyright to the character, that wouldn't be appropriate.

However, today while browsing graffiti images on Commons, I've found lots of photos of graffiti works with characters from The Simpsons, Dragon Ball Z, and Looney Tunes, sometimes drawn very much in the original style. Are these works okay because they're "remixed"? In this case, would it be okay for me to upload a work with a character of Bodē's in a graffiti piece? [[user:Notcharizard|<span style="color:#70A67A">-- NotC</span><span style="color:#396340">hariza</span><span style="color:#0D2311">rd</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Notcharizard|<span style="color:#0D2311">🗨</span>]]</sup> 08:09, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:{{U|Notcharizard}}, you'd be much better off asking this question at [[:c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright]]. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 08:57, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you! I will do that. [[user:Notcharizard|<span style="color:#70A67A">-- NotC</span><span style="color:#396340">hariza</span><span style="color:#0D2311">rd</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Notcharizard|<span style="color:#0D2311">🗨</span>]]</sup> 09:12, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Notcharizard|Notcharizard]], see also [[commons:Commons:GRAFFITI]]. —⁠[[User:Andrybak|andrybak]] ([[User talk:Andrybak|talk]]) 09:15, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::::We have freedom of panorama in my country, so it's fine on that front, thank you though! [[user:Notcharizard|<span style="color:#70A67A">-- NotC</span><span style="color:#396340">hariza</span><span style="color:#0D2311">rd</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Notcharizard|<span style="color:#0D2311">🗨</span>]]</sup> 09:23, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

== Time to decision on an edit ==

Hi there,

I recently added a reference for an article. How long does it usually take to get a feedback? And when will the changes take effect if the edit is accepted? [[User:Nebyudan|Nebyudan]] ([[User talk:Nebyudan|talk]]) 09:13, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, {{u|Nebyudan}}. If you are referring to your edit to [[Khat]], it was reverted because another editor concluded that the reference that you added does not comply with [[WP:MEDRS]]. Any medical claims on Wikipedia must be based on the highest quality peer reviewed medical references, since people's health is literally at stake. If you disagree, make your case at [[Talk: Khat]] or in a discussion with the editor who reverted you. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 09:31, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

== Publication on Wikipedia ==

Hello,

I am trying to publish the following page:

[[Draft:Khalifa International Award for Date Palm and Agricultural Innovation#cite note-1]]

   Do you think the page is suitable for publication on Wikipedia?

   English is my second language; can you explain in simple way the mistakes I made and how I can correct them? [[User:Bilalkiaai|Bilalkiaai]] ([[User talk:Bilalkiaai|talk]]) 09:43, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Bilalkiaai|Bilalkiaai]] I can see several problems. First and most important is that you uploaded the logo of the organisation to Wikimedia Commons and claimed it was your "own work". Is that really the case? Did you personally design the logo, which is subject to copyright? Second, you have put a number of social media links in a section above the references. These external links should go below instead, in a section just called "External links" (see [[WP:EL]]). Third, there seem to be excessive citations for some statements. Please remove those that don't meet [[WP:42|these criteria]]. You can then submit the draft to get comments from experienced reviewers. Good luck. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 10:15, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:Hello [[User:Bilalkiaai|Bilalkiaai]], if you would like to get your article reviewed by an experienced editor, you can submit it and an experienced editor will review it, then will leave a note on your talk page whether the draft was declined or accepted. Although, I see a lot of problems that need to be fixed there, having a look at the draft, it has a section that has links to social media sites on that particular topic, I'd suggest creating section "External links" for social media sites. However, I'm not super experienced at Wikipedia, but know a few things to help less experienced contributors here. Hope this helps.
::
:[[User:PEPSI697|PEPSI697]] ([[User talk:PEPSI697|talk]]) 10:21, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, additionally, I would suggest you use {{tl|Infobox award}} instead of a wikitable at the top. This would be better from a technical/accessibility standpoint. —'''Matrix(!)''' <nowiki>{</nowiki>''[[User:Matrix|user]] - [[User talk:Matrix|talk?]] - [[Special:Contribs/Matrix|<sub><small><s>useless</s></small></sub>contributions]]''<nowiki>}</nowiki> 10:30, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

== Dark mode ==

Dear help-users, I'm a German user. However, I use the English Wikipedia from time to time. I want to deactivate the dark mode. It seems, it is only in place on the English website. I cannot find a setting to turn it off. I activated once when it was displayed to me as "new feature". Please help - or improve the visiblity. The blue links on black background are illisible. I don't have a wikipedia account. Thank you for your help. [[Special:Contributions/80.149.243.69|80.149.243.69]] ([[User talk:80.149.243.69|talk]]) 09:27, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:Hi IP editor, the 'Appearance' menu is found either in the side panel on the right side of the page, or it can be minimised into an icon (looking like eyeglasses) in the horizontal menu on top o the page. Judging by your question I'm guessing it's not visible in the side panel, so you should look for the eyeglasses near the top. HTH, -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 10:12, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks a lot! The eyeglasses symbol was it! I didn't try it because I thought it would be related to a feature for saving/following the page (related to an account).
::Indeed, it cannot be found under the hamburger menu on the top left. That was suggested by other help articles. There is a settings icon, but only on the very main page, and it does not include the dark mode. 
::Thanks again! [[Special:Contributions/80.149.243.69|80.149.243.69]] ([[User talk:80.149.243.69|talk]]) 11:36, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

== Clarity on why references are not considered notable ==

Hello! Trying to create this page: [[Draft:The Harbour School]].

Was declined because references aren't considered notable though they are just articles about who and what awards were won. 

Thank you [[User:Ths 2024|Ths 2024]] ([[User talk:Ths 2024|talk]]) 06:33, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:Ths 2024|Ths 2024]]: for notability per [[WP:ORG]], we need to see significant coverage, directly of the subject, in multiple (usually interpreted as 3+) secondary sources that are reliable and entirely independent of the subject. Your draft cites no such source. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 06:45, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:{{u|Ths 2024}}, it is topics that must be notable, not references. References must be reliable, not notable. Consider the Nazi propaganda newspaper ''[[Der Stürmer]]'' published in Germany from 1923 to 1945. This vile hate rag was highly notable because it is studied in great detail by historians of Nazi Germany but it is utterly unreliable because most of its content was a pack of lies. Learning to differentiate between notable and reliable publications is an important skill for Wikipedia editors. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 09:41, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::Minor awards - not themselves subjects of articles, example Nobel - do not contribute to notability. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 11:41, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

== Sandbox ==

Do other wikipedia language versions also have a sandbox feature like on English Wikipedia? Specifically the Indonesian Wikipedia one. <span style="color:brown;">🍫</span> [[User:TheBrowniess|TheBrowniess]] ([[User talk:TheBrowniess|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/(TheBrowniess)|contribs]]) <span style="color:brown;">🍫</span> 11:32, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|TheBrowniess}} It varies. The Indonesian Wikipedia does not have it and that's the default. It's added by including the wiki in the <code>wmgUseSandboxLink</code> list at https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php. The T numbers refer to requests to add it for a wiki, e.g. [[phab:T103643]]. Requests for configuration changes like this usually require a link to a discussion showing consensus at the wiki. The only thing the sandbox feature does is add a convenient interface link to a user subpage. You can create and edit such pages yourself without an interface link, e.g. at [[:id:User:TheBrowniess/sandbox]] or any other name. You can create as many as you want. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:11, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:Hello [[User:TheBrowniess|TheBrowniess]], the answer is yes, other Wikipedia language versions have a sandbox feature. if you go to [[WP:SANDBOX]] and you click on the languages button, you can see that other language versions of Wikipedia have sandboxes too. For Indonesia Wikipedia, yes.
::
:[[User:PEPSI697|PEPSI697]] ([[User talk:PEPSI697|talk]]) 11:59, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::It's very likely that you can create a sub-page of your UserPage at other-language Wikipedias just as you can here, which is a more persistent way to experiment and develop articles. The main sandboxes get cleared out very frequently. See [[WP:ABOUTSAND]]. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 12:11, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

== Why was my article about a community club deleted? ==

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Syedzarrarshah?markasread=322260028&markasreadwiki=enwiki#c-DoubleGrazing-20240807120900-Speedy_deletion_nomination_of_Draft:YouthClub


[[User:Syedzarrarshah|Syedzarrarshah]] ([[User talk:Syedzarrarshah|talk]]) 12:19, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:Did you read the link to [[Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#G11]]? Ping to @[[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] if you wish to comment. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 12:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks for the ping, @[[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]].
:Hi @[[User:Syedzarrarshah|Syedzarrarshah]]: I declined this draft, and it was subsequently deleted, for being purely promotional. Wikipedia articles should summarise what independent and reliable third parties (ideally secondary sources) have said about a subject, whereas this was written from the perspective of the organisation telling the world about itself. (It was also far too long and detailed for an encyclopaedia article. Although that wasn't the reason why I declined it, it would have required a comprehensive rewrite to bring it up to acceptable standards.) HTH, -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 13:08, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

== Can someone help this user who says they are blocked? ==

I've been trying to help {{User|Rakel Helmsdal}}, who wants to edit [[Rakel Helmsdal]]. They now say they are receiving a message about being blocked, so I said I'd post over here to see if someone can help them. They of course have a CoI, but I'd like to find a way in which they can be supported to request edits to the article about them. Thanks. [[User:Tacyarg|Tacyarg]] ([[User talk:Tacyarg|talk]]) 11:42, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:User now says they are not blocked, but I think they could do with some support anyway. I don't seem to be getting through about using request edit. Thanks, [[User:Tacyarg|Tacyarg]] ([[User talk:Tacyarg|talk]]) 12:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:Thank you so much, Tacyarg <3 It seem, that the unblocking request worked after all! I am not blocked any more :) [[User:Rakel Helmsdal|Rakel Helmsdal]] ([[User talk:Rakel Helmsdal|talk]]) 12:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Rakel Helmsdal|Rakel Helmsdal]] Please use the [[WP:ERW|edit request wizard]] on the Talk page of the article about you. You might benefit also from reading [[WP:ASFAQ|a FAQ page]] and the policy at [[WP:OWN]]. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 12:04, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

=== Photos - removing those that are there without my consent and replacing them ===

Hi :)

I wanted to ask, if somebody could help me with photos of me that are on Wikmedia commons. They are old and I want them removed. I have never given any consent to have them put  up there, so I suppose, that I am allowed to have them removed? I have tried and tried to do that, and have some photo, that I have given consent to replace them, but it seems not to work :'-( [[User:Rakel Helmsdal|Rakel Helmsdal]] ([[User talk:Rakel Helmsdal|talk]]) 11:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:Sorry, forgot to link to the page: [[commons:Category:Rakel_Helmsdal|Category:Rakel Helmsdal - Wikimedia Commons]] [[User:Rakel Helmsdal|Rakel Helmsdal]] ([[User talk:Rakel Helmsdal|talk]]) 12:00, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::You will probably be able to get better help with this issue at Commons; their help desk is [[Commons:Commons:Help_desk|here]]. Relevant information to your situation is at this link: [[Commons:Commons:Photographs of identifiable people]] [[User:Reconrabbit|<span style="color:#6BAD2D">Recon</span>]][[User talk:Reconrabbit|<span style="color:#2F3833">rabbit</span>]] 12:27, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::[[User:Rakel Helmsdal|Rakel Helmsdal]], one of the easiest ways to get them removed is to make a [[c:Commons:Deletion requests|deletion request]] in [[commons:Main_Page|Wikimedia Commons]]. Be sure to read the [[commons:Commons:Photographs_of_identifiable_people#Removal_requests|removal requests section]]. [[User:Jeraxmoira|Jeraxmoira🐉]] ([[User talk:Jeraxmoira|talk]]) 13:07, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
: {{Ping|Rakel Helmsdal}} You may not be able to get them deleted (you are a (semi-)public figure and they were taken at an event with no obvious reason to expect privacy - your consent is not needed); but you can supply a better one and ask that Wikipedia uses it instead; see [[WP:A picture of you]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 14:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

== Why has my sandbox turned into a redirect article?  ==

My sandbox at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Notaoffensivename/sandbox&redirect=no has turned into a redirect. [[User:Notaoffensivename|Notaoffensivename]] ([[User talk:Notaoffensivename|talk]]) 18:54, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:{{ping| Notaoffensivename}} Articles prefixed by "Draft" are preferred for [[WP:AFC|Articles for Creation]] submissions so they are in the same location as all the other articles pending review. The redirect in your sandbox is leftover from when a reviewer [[WP:MOVE|moved]] your sandbox to [[Draft:Omar N. Bradley airport]].  You are free to remove the redirect if you wish. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 18:59, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::Well, how do i remove the redirect and use my sandbox again? [[User:Notaoffensivename|Notaoffensivename]] ([[User talk:Notaoffensivename|talk]]) 22:03, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:::I've removed it for you. Happy editing, <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 22:04, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::::When I used to open the sandbox, the editing would automatically come up and i was able to put my articles on Afc. But now, it no longer does this. Could i get some help?  [[User:Notaoffensivename|Notaoffensivename]] ([[User talk:Notaoffensivename|talk]]) 22:10, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::I've added the submission button to your sandbox. You can edit it by [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Notaoffensivename/sandbox?action=edit clicking here]. Once you write a draft, you can click the blue button at the top of your draft that says "Submit the draft for review!" and a reviewer will check out your draft. Let me know if you have any other questions. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 22:14, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

==  NCBI genome ID ==

I'm adding the [[Template:Infobox genome|genome infobox]] to veggie pages. For some reason, the NCBI genome ID of [[tomato]], which is [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/datasets/taxonomy/4081/names 4081], opens a [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/datasets/genome/?taxon=905054 tobacco virus page]. For reference, see [[cucumber]], where 1639 opens the [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/datasets/genome/?taxon=3659 appropriate cuc page on NCBI]. Is this an issue with Wikipedia or NCBI got their wires crossed? If someone can fix this, please do. Thanks!  '''[[User:WikiUser70176|<span style="background:#9E0508; color:white; padding:2px;">♦ WikiUser70176 ♦</span>]][[User talk:WikiUser70176|<sup><i style="color:#9E0508; padding:2px;">(My talk page)</i></sup>]]''' 20:04, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:Intriguing! It looks like the issue is the difference between an NCBI "taxonomy ID" and "genome ID." For [[Tomato|Tomato (Solanum lycopersicum)]], the 4081 ID is actually its taxonomy ID, as shown on [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/datasets/taxonomy/4081/ NCBI]. There are multiple genomes corresponding to this taxonomy ID, [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/datasets/genome/?taxon=4081 as seen here]. The reference genome is [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/datasets/genome/GCF_000188115.5/ GCF_000188115.5]. I went ahead and replaced <code>taxId = 4081</code> with <code>taxId = GCF_000188115.5</code> on [[Tomato]] and now it functions like the cucumber page - it brings up a list of all the Solanum lycopersicum genomes.

:I'm not sure why the [[Cucumber]] page works using <code>taxId = 1639</code>; when I try using the [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/datasets/genome/GCF_000004075.3/ genome ID of its reference genome] (GCF_000004075.3) instead the link works in the same way, [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/genome/?term=GCF_000004075.3 bringing up Cucumber genomes]. A user on the [[Template talk:Infobox genome|Infobox genome talk page]] implies that there was a relatively recent change in how NCBI handles lookups by genome ID; this may need more digging into! In any case, the Tomato page should now correctly link to Tomato genomes on NCBI. — [[User:Nmael|nmael]] <sup>[[User_talk:Nmael|talk]]</sup> 22:12, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you!  '''[[User:WikiUser70176|<span style="background:#9E0508; color:white; padding:2px;">♦ WikiUser70176 ♦</span>]][[User talk:WikiUser70176|<sup><i style="color:#9E0508; padding:2px;">(My talk page)</i></sup>]]''' 23:06, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

== My article has been deleted ==

My article [[Diiodosyl sulfate]] has been delete because it have no sources .But clearly i add some sources .So why was it deleted? Thank you. [[User:Junurita|Junurita]] ([[User talk:Junurita|talk]]) 14:16, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

:{{ping|Junurita}} Are you looking for [[Draft:Diiodosyl sulfate]]? <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 14:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
::Yes [[User:Junurita|Junurita]] ([[User talk:Junurita|talk]]) 14:24, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
::Yay , now it become a article in wikipedia!!! [[User:Junurita|Junurita]] ([[User talk:Junurita|talk]]) 12:44, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Congrats! <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 14:51, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you! [[User:Junurita|Junurita]] ([[User talk:Junurita|talk]]) 23:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

== dispute  ==

Hi,
I am in a dispute with one of the editors.  I made a page for a living person.  the editor decided that this person was not "noteworthy" enough to get a page.  However, by wiki definition it says that a person who receives a "major award" is considered eligible for a wiki page. 

The subject has just won a Tony Award for Best Musical this season on Broadway.  The editors argument is that it doesnt count because there are many producers as opposed to, for example best actress.. it's one person who gets one award. 
This show a complete ignorance to how the broadway world works and how shows get on their feet. It is actually IMPOSSIBLE for only one person to produce a broadway show. a broadway show is ONLY produced by a team of people.  so her argument is absurd.

I did the other edits that she required.  IE: removing "all the past work so it didn't look like a resume" and added more documentation that this person is an actual producer and has actually won the Tony but she is now ignoring me and the page is sitting without comment.  

id love some help here.  it seems like whoever this editor is, they are making random judgements about something they don't understand fully.  
advice? [[User:Childrenandart|Childrenandart]] ([[User talk:Childrenandart|talk]]) 20:40, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:Heya @[[User:Childrenandart|Childrenandart]], welcome to the teahouse! Could you send the page link (just do <code><nowiki>[[Page name here]]</nowiki></code>) so that I can take a look for you and give you my thoughts :) [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] &#124; [[User talk:Zippybonzo|<small>talk</small>]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Zippybonzo|<small>contribs</small>]] (they/them) 20:51, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::Courtesy link [[Draft:Marylee Graffeo Fairbanks]]. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 20:53, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:Sooo, I've taken a look, and I will say that ultimately based on the conflict of interest discussion on [[User talk:Childrenandart|your talk page]], you have a connection to the subject, and submitting a page "on her behalf" is a conflict of interest which needs addressing. I advise that you review [[WP:GNG]] and find more sources to demonstrate the notability of the subject. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] &#124; [[User talk:Zippybonzo|<small>talk</small>]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Zippybonzo|<small>contribs</small>]] (they/them) 21:00, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::that is not actually the conflict.  I am a listener to the podcast. I dont know her personally and I sent her a note on social asking if she minded if I uploaded a wiki page. that is the extent of it. which I explained before . [[User:Childrenandart|Childrenandart]] ([[User talk:Childrenandart|talk]]) 21:10, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:::also I just googled our of curiosity if a person an start a page for a friend.  I am not her friend but here is the answer 
:::'''Anyone can create a Wikipedia page for someone, as long as they follow Wikipedia's guidelines. However, it's important to keep in mind that creating a Wikipedia page can be a complex process, and it's not something that should be taken lightly.''' so I am curious what the problem is.. [[User:Childrenandart|Childrenandart]] ([[User talk:Childrenandart|talk]]) 21:12, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::::"as long as they follow Wikipedia's guidelines" includes the [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] guideline, which typically requires disclosure. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] &#124; [[User talk:Zippybonzo|<small>talk</small>]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Zippybonzo|<small>contribs</small>]] (they/them) 21:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::is that basically just putting in writing at the top of the page that I am a listener to the podcast?
:::::<nowiki>{{connected contributor | Childrenandart is a listener of Stages Podcast and a fan of the show. I am not paid to write this article}}</nowiki> 
:::::Like this? [[User:Childrenandart|Childrenandart]] ([[User talk:Childrenandart|talk]]) 21:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::No, but if you're "submitting on her behalf" according to what you said on your talk page, which counts as a conflict of interest, so you should disclose it as mentioned in [[WP:COI]] on the article talk page. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] &#124; [[User talk:Zippybonzo|<small>talk</small>]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Zippybonzo|<small>contribs</small>]] (they/them) 21:29, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::please let me know if what I did is sufficient before I resubmit. many thanks [[User:Childrenandart|Childrenandart]] ([[User talk:Childrenandart|talk]]) 21:40, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::I am not paid to write it. I just want to because I love the show. so is the above statement what you want? and do I put it on the actual wiki article? [[User:Childrenandart|Childrenandart]] ([[User talk:Childrenandart|talk]]) 21:24, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::I added what I believe you wanted.  please let me know if the is sufficient. [[User:Childrenandart|Childrenandart]] ([[User talk:Childrenandart|talk]]) 21:30, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:Good to see you took the advice to stop by at the Teahouse. Anyone who is involved may wish to take a look at [[User talk:CFA#tony award]], [[User talk:CFA#Who is CFA?]], [[User_talk:Childrenandart#Managing a conflict of interest]] and [[WP:DRN#Draft:Marylee Graffeo Fairbanks]]. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 21:35, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::I have a few comments at this point.  First, the Wikipedia community is aware that production of a Broadway show is the work of a large team of producers and co-producers.  It isn't helpful to suggest that the Wikipedia community is ignorant of this fact.  Second, I didn't find Ms. Fairbanks's name in the list of co-producers on the Tony Awards official web page.  [[WP:V|Verifiability]] is a core policy, and I am having a hard time finding independent [[WP:V|verification]] that she was one of the listed members of the production team.  Third, when you said that "we" could send a photograph, there were two problems.  If you are not working with or for Ms. Fairbanks, why did you use the first-person plural pronound?  Also, sending a photograph, or other documentation, to a reviewer, does not provide [[WP:V|verifiability]], because the evidence has to be available to a reader of Wikipedia, not just to a reviewer.  So why did you use the first-person plural pronoun?  [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 21:52, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:::I am not accusing the entire community of not knowing how a broadway production works.. I was telling CFA that she/he didn't understand because she said there were so many producers that it didn't count as a Tony award. here is a link to playbill that states her name on the list of producers and winners.https://playbill.com/article/the-outsiders-wins-best-musical-at-the-2024-tony-awards. it is also stated in the Boston globe article ( I am sure they verified)
:::I have reached out to Fairbanks o social media and asked if she minded if I did a wiki page.  She said it was fine.  this is why I assumed if you need photo proof she would send it along.  that is where ''we'' came from. I am not being paid to do this. If a photo is not documentation then please see the article above which names her on the list and I put other documentation on the article itself as well. [[User:Childrenandart|Childrenandart]] ([[User talk:Childrenandart|talk]]) 21:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Childrenandart|Childrenandart]] I have read this thread and also looked at the contributions you have made. You have an obviously great amount of energy. However, most is devoted to arguing. Some is devoted to suggesting you will report an editor, one line suggests that loads of people report them.
:I hope you will consider turning your energy into first leaning about [[WP:N|Notability]] (not noteworthiness, a term who is meaningless here) and then about [[WP:V|Verifiability]], and then using that knowledge to ''edit'' here, not to ''argue'' here.
:You are caught up with rights and wrongs. Instead please edit productively once you understand the two links I have given you. 🇺🇦&nbsp;[[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk&nbsp;to&nbsp;me</small></sup>]]&nbsp;🇺🇦 22:42, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::I have edited. I have done everything they asked me to do. What I am arguing is against the point that it is not considered a Tony win.  By wikipedias own definition it is a Tony win.  I added the to another conversation just a few minutes ago.  every edit that was requested, was done.  if you have a further suggestion on what is needed I am happy to include it. [[User:Childrenandart|Childrenandart]] ([[User talk:Childrenandart|talk]]) 02:36, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

== Resubmitting to a new editor while original ed. is on break? ==

Hello wiki angels! I have a question about the resubmission process after updating a declined page draft. 

The draft page is [[Draft:Mahyad Tousi|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mahyad_Tousi]], and I've added a slew of reliable sources thanks to the editor's feedback (I stupidly did not realize that iMDB was not a reliable source, so have rectified this) and also added more information overall to show notability. 

However, I see on the editor's talk page ([[User talk:SafariScribe|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SafariScribe]] ) that they may be taking a break for the time being, and they seem to have a backlog of people resubmitting their drafts and then complaining about having their questions unaddressed. Is there a way I can kindly request a review from another editor while [[User:SafariScribe]] is on hiatus? 

I also see a recent post about this editor here in the Teahouse which reinforces my concern that I may be resubmitting into the void. Many thanks for your guidance!  [[User:Plethora12|Plethora12]] ([[User talk:Plethora12|talk]]) 21:33, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:[[User:Plethora12|Plethora12]], submissions and resubmissions just go in the same general pool. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 21:40, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::Ahh, I had misunderstood. Thank you! [[User:Plethora12|Plethora12]] ([[User talk:Plethora12|talk]]) 00:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

[[Mahyad Tousi]] now an accepted article. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 05:46, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

== Hi ==

I am new here, and i don't know what to edit and how to edit, i will be happy if someone guides me thro the edges, i hope you will enlighten my edit journey ... [[User:Duolingoiscat|Duolingoiscat]] ([[User talk:Duolingoiscat|talk]]) 01:46, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:Useful links now on your Talk page. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 05:47, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

== Can anybody with an Instagram account help me ==

{{Solved|1=My friend told me it's April 2018 <span style="border-radius:10em;padding:0 7q;background:#111">[[User:QuickQuokka|<span style="color:#0DF">Quick</span><span style="color:#FAB">Quokka</span>]]</span> <sup>[⁠[[User talk:QuickQuokka|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/QuickQuokka|contribs]]]</sup> 08:25, 2 August 2024 (UTC)}}

Hi!

I [[Special: Diff/1238126838|recently edited]] the [[Baby Gronk]] article to include {{Template2|Infobox Instagram personality}}, but I also want to add the <code>years_active</code> parameter. 

To do this, I need to know when the Instagram account was created, however I can't do this due to me not having an account myself. If anyone with an Instagram account can check [https://www.instagram.com/maddensanmiguel/ @maddensanmiguel], click the 3 dots, then "About This Account" and either tell me or update the article, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks, <span style="border-radius:10em;padding:0 7q;background:#111">[[User:QuickQuokka|<span style="color:#0DF">Quick</span><span style="color:#FAB">Quokka</span>]]</span> <sup>[⁠[[User talk:QuickQuokka|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/QuickQuokka|contribs]]]</sup> 07:46, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

:It says: 
:maddensanmiguel
:Date joined: April 2018 [[User:CompyN|CompyN]] ([[User talk:CompyN|talk]]) 10:58, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

== Omorgus Reiterorum ==

Hello. I have created the page for omorgus reiterorum and there is a very lovely looking image of this species available at [https://zenodo.org/records/10959459 Zenodo], but I am unsure as to whether or not this image would be allowed to be added to the Wikipedia page due to the licensing rules and my overall stupidity when it comes to said topic. While other pages have similar looking images ([[Omorgus granulatus]], [[Omorgus subcarinatus]]), I would much rather ask here and risk embarrassing myself than not asking. If anyone is able to tell me whether or not the image can be used your help would be much appreciated! [[User:Aquaquaticat|Aquaquaticat]] ([[User talk:Aquaquaticat|talk]]) 21:47, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Aquaquaticat|Aquaquaticat]] You may only upload images here if they have a suitable licence which allows it. Than you for saving yourself embarrassment. 🇺🇦&nbsp;[[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk&nbsp;to&nbsp;me</small></sup>]]&nbsp;🇺🇦 22:44, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::What would the Zenodo photo of Omorgus Reiterorum count as? In the information sidebar of the photo it says 'Photos courtesy of David Král and Jiří Hájek, copyright NMPC.' As I am not sure what that means please could someone explain it to me? Is it okay to use on the wikipedia article? [[User:Aquaquaticat|Aquaquaticat]] ([[User talk:Aquaquaticat|talk]]) 01:19, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Hello, Aquaquaticat, and welcome to the Teahouse. In nearly all cases, we can use photos ''only'' if they are free for anybody to reuse or alter for any purpose - that is part of the mission of the Wikimedia Foundation, to make information free for anybody. 
:::In practice this means one of: 1) the image is in the public domain because it is old enough that copyright has expired; or 2) the copyright owner has explicitly put it in the public domain (this is unusual, but many images produced by employees of the US federal government, for example, meet this); or 3) the copyright owner has ''explicitly'' released it under a copyleft licence such as [[WP:CC-BY-SA|CC-BY-SA]]. Most images you find on the internet (and elsewhere) do not meet any of those conditions, and so cannot be used - unless you contact the copyright holder and they explicitly agree to release them - see [[WP:donating copyright materials|donating copyright materials]]. 
:::There are some edge cases, but this is the basic framework. See [[WP:image use policy|image use policy]] for more detail. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 08:39, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you both for your helpful responses. I appreciate the help [[Emoticon|:)]] [[User:Aquaquaticat|Aquaquaticat]] ([[User talk:Aquaquaticat|talk]]) 11:08, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

== Incorrect Height information ==

Hi  my son is a footballer and the height given on wiki is incorrect, how can this be changed as its having a detrimental affect on his career ?  Thanks [[Special:Contributions/155.190.60.28|155.190.60.28]] ([[User talk:155.190.60.28|talk]]) 12:57, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

:IP editor. Answered at the [[WP:HD|Help Desk]]. Please don't post in two places at once as this wastes volunteer time. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 13:09, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
::Does not matter if he is your son and you therefor know how tall he is, the reference says 1.86 m so you cannot change it to 1.95 m without a reference. (Did he grow recently?!) [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 13:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

== Checking article before resubmitting ==

Hi there, I recently had a new article submission declined. I have now edited the article to include more sources and make the tone more formal and encyclopaedic. I'd like some advice to see if this is now acceptable before resubmitting. [[Draft:Abodo Wood]]. [[User:ValerieCo|ValerieCo]] ([[User talk:ValerieCo|talk]]) 04:40, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:In my opinion, no. Abodo Wood is a company that cuts down trees to make timber. The fact that such timber was used to architecurally significant buildings - what you deem "Products" (refs 6-11) - has no place in the article. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 05:54, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:You have also asked this at the AfC help desk. Either venue is fine, but please don't ask at both, as that just duplicates the effort. Thank you. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 06:09, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
::{{u|ValerieCo}} The table of awards has hyperlinks serving as references. Hyperlinks are not allowed. Additionally, minor/modest awards (those that are not themselves sujects of Wikipedia articles) can be listed, but contribute nothing to confirming Wikipedia-notability. However, all awards for buildings that used Abodo Wood products need to be removed. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 14:08, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

== i made a user box ==

[[User:Charcoal Zenith/userboxes/BFDI]] can you add this to the appropriate userbox list please. btw i know that bfdi isn't on wikipedia but please dont delete this userbox '''[[User:Charcoal Zenith|<span style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 4px #444, 0px 0px 2px #222; color:#444">Charcoal</span> <span style="text-shadow: 0px 0px 4px blue, 0px 0px 2px navy; color:#00f">Zenith</span>]]''' ([[User_talk:Charcoal Zenith|talk]]) 13:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Charcoal Zenith|Charcoal Zenith]] There's no reason to delete it from your userbox page as it doesn't break any of our rules. I'm not sure it merits being added to [[WP:Userboxes/Galleries/alphabetical]] at this time, although there could be a case for creating a section there for YouTube channels. You could maybe raise this on the [[Wikipedia talk:Userboxes/Galleries|relevant talk page]]? But you rightly recognise this YouTube channel does not have an article about it, so that could well be a reason for keeping it off the more publicly available alphabetical list. Regards, [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 13:55, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:I have [[User:Anachronist/Userboxes|my own list]] of userbox creations, but I don't recall putting them on some other list. Surprisingly, some of them have been used by others. I don't use any of them myself. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 14:29, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

== Is there a way to get an edit request more attention when the response time is quite long? ==

I understand that being patient is important on Wikipedia and we can’t constantly check this site for edit request or replies 24/7, but it’s still really frustrating when you make a request for an edit and it’s either ignored or the discussion quickly fizzles out before a resolution is reached. Is there a way to raise more attention to an issue you have (without being annoying), or do you just have to wait and hope for the best? Sorry if this is a bit petty; I just have no good idea on what to do when I encounter a situation like this. [[User:LordOfWalruses|LordOfWalruses]] ([[User talk:LordOfWalruses|talk]]) 04:20, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:There is no formal way to get attention to an edit request, but a few pointers:
#If you ask about it then then link to it or tell us what  article so we don't have to guess.
#If you mean [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Foreign_involvement_in_the_Syrian_civil_war&diff=prev&oldid=1239038529] then 
##Three hours is not a long time to wait for an edit request to be actioned.
##You didn't actually make a formal edit request. You simply started new thread with your opinions of changes that might be worth making. If no-one responds (in a reasonable time)  you can take that as a lack of agreement. [[User:Meters|Meters]] ([[User talk:Meters|talk]]) 04:46, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
::If the page is part of a WikiProject you can ask for input at the appropriate project. See [[WP:PROJDIR]]. If all else fails you can opena request for comment. See [[WP:RFC]]. [[User:Meters|Meters]] ([[User talk:Meters|talk]]) 08:52, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for the help, but I do not mean the talk page on the Syrian Civil War; there are many examples, but I was mainly thinking of my talk page on the Nigerien crisis. [[User:LordOfWalruses|LordOfWalruses]] ([[User talk:LordOfWalruses|talk]]) 14:33, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

== Creating a page for a company with reliable sources ==

Good morning,

I hope all of you are well,

I would like to create a page for a company called TSplus as they are not on wikipedia (yet).

I found a few sources but I am not sure if they enter in the valid sources for wikipedia guidelines and requirements.

Could one of you kindly let me know if they are ?

If so, I am happy to share them with you.

Have a lovely day

Mariam [[User:MariamEssafi|MariamEssafi]] ([[User talk:MariamEssafi|talk]]) 08:23, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

:{{u|MariamEssafi}} Hello and welcome.  Creating a new article (not a "page") is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia.  It is usually recommended that new users first gain experience and knowledge by spending time editing existing articles in areas that interest them, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content.  Using the [[WP:ADVENTURE|new user tutorial]] is a good idea, too.
:Feel free to share your sources.  Are you associated with this company? [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 08:29, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
::Hi,
::Thank you very much for your response,
::I have done a few edits already to gain experience and it has been very interesting so far.
::I will look to do more of them.
::I am not associated with the company but find it interesting as a first subject to write about.
::The sources I found are the following :
::https://www.capterra.co.uk/software/217414/tsplus
::https://www.techtimes.com/articles/307089/20240807/empowering-smes-with-cost-effective-tsplus-remote-access-solutions.htm
::https://www.globenewswire.com/en/news-release/2024/04/11/2861606/0/en/TSplus-Remote-Support-Awarded-With-Multiple-Badges-from-Gartner-Digital-Markets.html
::https://midhudsonnews.com/2024/07/31/tsplus-enabling-secure-and-efficient-remote-access/
::https://consent.yahoo.com/v2/collectConsent?sessionId=3_cc-session_905ec134-aa58-45c4-86c1-1c90931ad426
::https://www.globenewswire.com/en/news-release/2024/05/01/2873275/0/en/TSplus-Remote-Access-Wins-the-Spring-2024-Leader-Award-in-Remote-Desktop-Category-from-SourceForge.html
::https://channeltimes.com/press-release/bd-soft-joined-hands-with-tsplus-as-exclusive-country-partner-for-remote-support-for-indian-markets/
::https://fox40.com/business/press-releases/ein-presswire/681530758/tsplus-corp-and-mspaa-join-forces-as-premier-partners-to-revolutionize-msp-solutions/
::https://www.newswire.com/news/the-tsplus-web-app-brings-remote-desktop-connections-to-ipads-and-21640801
::Thank you very much
::M [[User:MariamEssafi|MariamEssafi]] ([[User talk:MariamEssafi|talk]]) 08:34, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Without even looking at them, I can tell you that press releases and annoucements of routine activities do not establish that this company is [[WP:ORG|a notable company as Wikipedia defines it]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 08:39, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
::::I undertand,
::::thank you very much for your response, 
::::So, none of the above mentioned linkes are valid for an article on wikipedia right ?
::::Thank you [[User:MariamEssafi|MariamEssafi]] ([[User talk:MariamEssafi|talk]]) 08:41, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::Yes, none of these are appropriate.  They are all press releases or announcements of routine business activities, mostly written in glowing marketing speak(I've now looked at some) [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 08:44, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::I see,
::::::thank you very much for the information :)
::::::I will look at something else to write about :D
::::::Have a nice day !
::::::M [[User:MariamEssafi|MariamEssafi]] ([[User talk:MariamEssafi|talk]]) 08:46, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Hello, MariamEssafi, and welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. 
:::In my experience, editors who start working on Wikipedia, and try to create an article before they are ready, have a frustrating and miserable time. 
:::I remember in my early days, how I desperately wanted to "make my mark" by creating an article, and looked for something I could write about that wasn't already there. Now I know that creating articles is not the only way to contribute: I have been here for nineteen years, and made 25 thousand edits, but I have only ever created a handful of articles. 
:::{{User:ColinFine/PracticeFirst}} [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 08:46, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Hi and thank you very much for letting me know,
::::this is very helpful,
::::have a nice day ! [[User:MariamEssafi|MariamEssafi]] ([[User talk:MariamEssafi|talk]]) 08:52, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
::::I agree. I've been around about as long as ColinFine and I also have created only a few articles. Mine are listed on my user page. Many of them are stubs. Some got merged into other articles.
::::{{reply|MariamEssafi}} The way it works for me is, if I look for something on Wikipedia and I can't find it, then I might try to write an article about it. Or if I like something that has no Wikipedia article (such as a good book I read recently) I'll look for sources to see if it's notable, and write about it.
::::You did the same for a company, and I commend you for doing it correctly: Find your sources first. You tried to write the article forward instead of [[WP:BACKWARD]]. Most new editors try to write an article backward, by first writing what they know and then looking for sources. You did it the proper way. The problem was that the sources you found don't comply with the [[Wikipedia:Golden Rule]]. Read through the Golden Rule page and you'll know what to look for next time. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 14:43, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

== Mobile browser editing caveats  ==

Hi, I use Firefox for Android to edit, and I have a few questions: <br>
1. How can I indicate an edit is a minor edit?
<br>
2. How can I edit an entire page in the mobile editor? Switching to desktop mode works, but is inconvenient. <br>
Thank you! [[User:Crystalespeon|Crystalespeon]] ([[User talk:Crystalespeon|talk]]) 11:07, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Crystalespeon|Crystalespeon]]:
:# I don't think you can, I haven't found the option myself. Maybe other editors can help.
:# Click on the three-dot [[hamburger button]] on the right, then select "Edit full page".
:[[User:Broc|Broc]] ([[User talk:Broc|talk]]) 11:31, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
::{{re|Crystalespeon|Broc}} (why not) I found a weird workaround: go to the page history and undo a ''really'' old edit. Usually, this will fail with a red message to the effect of ''This edit cannot be undone...'' (and so on, blah blah blah), but underneath will be an interface that looks like the desktop source editor but fitted to your mobile device screen. It has the entire article's source code and the checkbox to mark the edit as minor! As a general note, this technique is less effective for editing one section of a very long article. Hope that helped? [[User:Rotideypoc41352|Rotideypoc41352]] ([[User talk:Rotideypoc41352|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Rotideypoc41352|contribs]]) 17:23, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Crystalespeon|Crystalespeon]], I myself edit from mobile and use chrome browser and i think I have the answer of your questions.<br>
:* To indicate an edit as minor, i simply switch to visual editor (''after working with source editor''). Then you can find the checkbox to mark your edit as '''Minor Edit'''.
:* In my browser whenever i try to edit, its only load a single section, so i click on top url bar and at the end of url <code>editor/0</code>, i replace with <code>editor/all</code>. 
:Hope you find that helpful.<br>–– [[User:KEmel49|kemel49]]<sup>([[User talk:KEmel49|connect]])([[Special:Contributions/KEmel49|contri]])</sup> 18:38, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

== 2nd chance ==
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I would like to come back as a good user, to show I have good intentions, and the disruption I did was only due to the desperate feeling of feeling rejected. What can I do? Please help. [[Special:Contributions/78.210.91.91|78.210.91.91]] ([[User talk:78.210.91.91|talk]]) 18:16, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:I am guessing your registered account was indefinitely blocked. Your path back is to appeal that block. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 18:22, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:David notMD|David notMD]] Thank you very much for your answer. I appealed the block via UTRS. However, it is some time now and it is still not been considered. Could you kindly review it? [[Special:Contributions/78.210.91.91|78.210.91.91]] ([[User talk:78.210.91.91|talk]]) 18:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:::I am not an Administrator. A few Admins visit Teahouse now and then, so if you identify your blocked account here, you may get action. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 18:35, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:David notMD|David notMD]] My account is globally locked. Does this change anything? [[Special:Contributions/37.161.205.250|37.161.205.250]] ([[User talk:37.161.205.250|talk]]) 18:51, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:David notMD|David notMD]] Id you want to know, my account is "14 novembree" [[Special:Contributions/78.210.91.91|78.210.91.91]] ([[User talk:78.210.91.91|talk]]) 20:55, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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== Clashing birth years on the same article ==

Hello helpful people,

I am a bit confused.

So, the page in question is [[Paul R. Andrews]], and well, the very first sentence of said article says that this guy was born in 1926. Well, later on in the article, it states that he was born 20 years prior in 1906, which is weird. I don't plan on fixing either, because I don't know which one is right and I don't feel like making the situation more confusing (or worse). The sentence that states that he was born in 1906 has a source but how accurate it is I cannot tell.

Any ideas? [[User:Villaida|Villaida]] ([[User talk:Villaida|talk]]) 19:05, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
	
:I've been [[WP:BOLD|bold]] and updated the lead to match the 1906 birthday, which is what the Harvard source states. Thanks for pointing it out. – [[User:Macaddct1984|macaddct1984]] <sup>([[User talk:Macaddct1984|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Macaddct1984|contribs]])</sup> 19:33, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! This was fixed by [[User:Macaddct1984|Macaddct1984]], who corrected the date to 1905, to be consistent with the Harvard Business School reference. In the future, if one date is supported by a source and the other isn't, please take the one that is supported by the source. If both are supported by sources, you probably should take the most reliable one (though I'm not 100% sure). Happy editing. <span style="background-color:black; color:white; padding:  1.5px;[[User:Grumpylawnchair">[[User:Grumpylawnchair|<span style="color:white">Grumpylawnchair</span>]] ([[User talk:Grumpylawnchair|<span style="color:white">'''talk'''</span>]])</span>

:This fellow "received an undergraduate degree from Norwich University cum laude degree"; he had a career described as "culminating" in his retirement from that career; and this article doesn't deign even to start to say what he ''did''. (He spent his working life at Prentice-Hall. How would Prentice-Hall have been different if he hadn't existed? After reading the article, I have no idea.) This article is terrible, {{U|Villaida}}; if Paul R. Andrews interests you, perhaps you could improve it. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 20:39, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
::I agree. Nominate it for deletion. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 21:54, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Who, [[User:David notMD|David notMD]], me? First, anyone proposing to nominate it for deletion should search for reliable information on Andrews. That's not something I'm willing to do. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 22:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
::The editor who created [[Paul R. Andrews]] has another shoddy article: [[GBT Technologies]], tendentiously created without improvement directly in mainspace following back to back AFC declines, which the author blanked from their talkpage. PRODded in January, tag removed by unregistered editor. I suspect it's not been AfDed solely because no one wants to do an NCORP BEFORE on some dumb AI company, but maybe I'm projecting. [[User:Folly Mox|Folly Mox]] ([[User talk:Folly Mox|talk]]) 22:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Apologies to Hoary - if I feel that way then I should take up the task. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 22:23, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
::::No probs, David notMD. (I've pled sloth; anybody else can too.) -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 23:39, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Good sleuthing, [[User:Folly Mox|Folly Mox]]. I've [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:GBT_Technologies&oldid=1239027296 resuscitated a worthwhile comment on the draft]. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 23:39, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:::[[User:Folly Mox|Folly Mox]] (or anyone): GBT Technologies is now at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/GBT Technologies]]. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 22:14, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
::Hoary: nah, not really. This Paul Andrews article isn't the type of subject matter that I find interesting, but I do agree that it is asking for improvement. [[User:Villaida|Villaida]] ([[User talk:Villaida|talk]]) 23:45, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

== Draft ==

[[Draft:Tropical Storm_Maria (2024)]] a new typhoon on JMA edit a pls my draft on [[2024 Pacific typhoon season]]  @[[User:ChrisWx|ChrisWx]] @[[User:MemeGod27|MemeGod27]] [[Special:Contributions/112.209.9.48|112.209.9.48]] ([[User talk:112.209.9.48|talk]]) 11:00, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

:Your draft says {{tq|Tropical Storm Maria, is an ongoing storm}}. This is not acceptable. Please read [[MOS:NOW]]. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 11:12, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
::Add Contents [[Draft:Tropical_Storm_Maria_(2024)#Preparations]] and [[Draft:Tropical_Storm_Maria_(2024)#See also]] [[Special:Contributions/112.209.9.48|112.209.9.48]] ([[User talk:112.209.9.48|talk]]) 12:26, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:::see [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk#14:34, 8 August 2024 review of submission by 112.209.9.48]] ok? [[Special:Contributions/122.2.115.63|122.2.115.63]] ([[User talk:122.2.115.63|talk]]) 23:58, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

== The credibility of the source ==

Is it possible to refer to the newspaper "Чуйские зори" https://mokoshagach.ru/socialnaja_sfera/539/? It is referred to by some historians in their writings (https://www.google.ru/books/edition/Народы_Сибири/nT_jAAAAMAAJ?hl=ru&gbpv=1&bsq=чуйские+зори&dq=чуйские+зори&printsec=frontcover, https://www.google.ru/books/edition/Ėtnograficheskoe_obozrenie/hNwiAQAAMAAJ?hl=ru&gbpv=1&bsq=чуйские+зори&dq=чуйские+зори&printsec=frontcover, https://www.google.ru/books/edition/Литература_о_Горном_А/Af4VAQAAMAAJ?hl=ru&gbpv=1&bsq=чуйские+зори&dq=чуйские+зори&printsec=frontcover) [[Special:Contributions/185.66.30.204|185.66.30.204]] ([[User talk:185.66.30.204|talk]]) 12:03, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

:We have a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#Sources]] where you can find out if it been checked to see if it reliable or not. Note: Not all media outlets are listed here such as the one above you stated.
:However, when in doubt, check to see what other sources say on the same topic. If information on the same topic is roughly the same, then it is possible that the information is accurate. If the information is different (such as numbers not within the same range), then it may or may not be reliable.
:This is my opinion when it comes to dealing with reliable sources.  [[User:Soafy234|Soafy234]] ([[User talk:Soafy234|talk]]) 12:52, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, this newspaper is not on the list of reliable sources [[Special:Contributions/185.66.30.204|185.66.30.204]] ([[User talk:185.66.30.204|talk]]) 16:50, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Absence of presence on [[WP:RSN]] does not mean it is or is not reliable. It simply means the community has not discussed it before, as is common with non English language sources. And [[WP:Foreign sources]] are absolutely permitted. Do you have any reason to doubt the credibility of the source for the weighted claim? ~ 🦝 [[User:Shushugah|Shushugah]]&nbsp;(he/him&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User talk:Shushugah|talk]]) 00:01, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

== Correct venue to discuss Latin names in University infoboxes ==

I've noticed uncited and poorly cited Latin names of Universities in the infoboxes of multiple Universities.
I've attempted to partially this issue by adding citation-needed inline notes.
This has been reverted in two different articles.
Additionally, sources are provided that demonstrate that the university translates its name that way, not that the latin name is commonly referenced, despite [[Template:Infobox university]] stating that that's the standard.

Where is the correct place to establish a consensus on whether or not uncited Latin should be removed, on whether a university seal is a [[WP:RS]] for this purpose, and on what we should do in the case where two universities claim the same latin name as in the case of [[University of Brussels]]? 
Does the template documentation for the field named "latin_name" demonstrate a consensus on anything here?

Ideally, I would like to remove a lot of incorrect Latin or a least tag it with citation-needed, but I suspect that there might be a right and a wrong way of doing this, so I'll hold off pending guidance. [[User:McYeee|McYeee]] ([[User talk:McYeee|talk]]) 20:58, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

:[[User:McYeee|McYeee]], it's not the job of Wikipedia to evaluate or comment on institutional (or other) proficiency/incompetence in Latin. (And even supposing for a moment that you and other Wikipedia editors are indeed more proficient at Latin than are many institutions, why would you be more eager to tag defective names as needing citations than you would be to tag well-formed names?) Also, if [[Université libre de Bruxelles]] and [[Vrije Universiteit Brussel]] both call themselves "Universitas Bruxellensis", why does this concern you, and why should it concern other editors? (I believe that both also call themselves the "Free University of Brussels"; if I'm right, should this sharing of an English name also be a cause for concern, and if so, why?) -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 07:06, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
::First, I'd like to thank you for your patience. I feel like there's probably a policy somewhere that I'm just a bit too dense to find or that this is should be obvious for some other reason. I'm not trying to be intransigent, but it seems like there is a disagreement about what would improve the Wikipedia, and there are editors (not just me) on both sides of it.
::My use of the phrase 'incorrect Latin' was poor wording. I'm not concerned with a proscriptive standard much less "institutional (or other) proficiency/incompetence", but I would expect the Latin name to have seen actual use for Wikipedia to call it a name (or for the documentation of [[Template:Infobox University]] to be changed). It does not concern me that two universities claim the same name, but it seems slightly misleading to list a translation without mentioning that the name is used by another similarly notable university as well. I would have a similar objection if the article [[university]] said "({{ety|la|universitas}})" rather than saying "({{ety|la|universitas|a whole}})... ''universitas magistrorum et scholarium''". As a general rule, when introducing a translation, it's my understanding that other relevant senses should be given where doing so reduces confusion. Can we do so here in a footnote to the infoboxes? If not, is this general rule wrong?
::To address your second parenthetical, I think "Free University of Brussels" can refer to either university (or the union of the two), but I’m not as concerned for the following reasons. Both articles have headnotes linking to each other (and the university that used to be both of them), and the wording of these headnotes suggests the correct conclusion that the name refers to both. Additionally, the titles of the articles are the disambiguated names, and at least one article explicitly mentions that the English is shared. Nothing like this is mentioned for the Latin. That’s not to say that the articles couldn’t be clearer. I would argue that they should say "lit." not "English" to clarify the meaning of the parentheticals.
::What about the easier case where the phrase Wikipedia gives as the Latin name of a university doesn’t appear in any reliable sources I know of and doesn’t appear on the seal in the article and a cursory search doesn’t turn anything up? Is it reasonable to tag with citation-needed then. Would word-by-word translation be original research? Would a neologism created for this translation be original research? What about a non-obvious choice between synonyms such as {{lang|la|Californiae}} vs. {{lang|la|californica}} or {{lang|la|meridiei}} vs. {{lang|la|austri}}? (See [[University of Southern California]] where editors responded by removing the Latin when I added the citation-needed tag) What is the correct response when someone removes such a citation-needed tag without providing a source? I would have thought that this would be a relatively straightforward application of [[WP:V]], but I suspect it's more complicated.
::Thank you for your time, [[User:McYeee|McYeee]] ([[User talk:McYeee|talk]]) 22:52, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Ah, now I understand a lot better, [[User:McYeee|McYeee]]. I can't cite a source for this, but my impression is that most Latin (or quasi-Latin names) of universities are used by nobody other than the respective universities (and particularly the more blatantly commercial arms of those universities, branding the Latin names on beermats, pennants, panties, [[Rock (confectionery)|rock]], whatever). I'd be surprised to see any Latin name appearing anywhere else, other than in web pages listing trivia, or of course Wikipedia articles. I'm not entirely sure I'd agree to getting rid of mention of that of any university whose founding postdates the 18th century, but this does sound sensible. Do you know of examples of a reliable source claiming that the (pseudo?) Latin used by a university is ''wrong'' (broadly defined) and that the right Latin name ''is'' (and NB not merely ''should be'') such-and-such which is different? Again, it's not Wikipedia's job to translate names, unless perhaps those translations actually ''explain''. Thus the article [[Freiburg im Breisgau]] starts by saying that in Alemannic it's ''Friburg im Brisgau'', in French it's ''Fribourg-en-Brisgau''; and in English its name literally means ''Freecastle in the[a] Breisgau'', but it doesn't suggest that the last of these three is a name that anyone uses. I suppose that somebody might like to know that a Latin name is shared by two separate universities in Brussels; if you think that this is indeed worth saying, how about pointing it out via a footnote ([[Template:Efn]])? -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 09:32, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::::I don't expect that the consensus of reliable sources is that the names that there are correct Latin translations that are distinct from the (quasi-)Latin the universities use. The consensus of unreliable sources seems to be that at least some of these are quasi-Latin, not Latin and that there are not real Latin names of these universities at all; but I haven't been able to find a reliable sources that make a claim one way or the other. The only reliable source I've found making a claim close to what you're asking for is the ''Crimson'' complaining about out one instance of Harvard saying {{lang|la|Harvardiensis}} instead of {{lang|la|Harvardiana}}. [https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1932/12/20/plague-breaks-tradition-by-word-harvardiensis/]
::::I expected the phrase "if commonly referenced" in the description of the field "latin_name" in [[Template:Infobox university]] to be dispositive, but my understanding is that there is no consensus that my interpretation of the documentation is correct.
::::I've added the footnotes; thanks for pointing me to [[Template:Efn]]. At least for now and unless someone tells me otherwise, I'll just focus on quasi-Latin for universities that seems to only exist on Wikipedia and its mirrors. I expect people to argue that these translations don't need a source, and when this happens, I'll just point to [[WP:V]] generally. I think this answers all my questions.
::::With gratitude,
::::[[User:McYeee|McYeee]] ([[User talk:McYeee|talk]]) 00:03, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

== how long does it take for a draft to be REVIEWED after being submitted? ==

how long does it take for a draft to be REVIEWED after being submitted? just wondering... [[User:Gorillafan101|Gorillafan101]] ([[User talk:Gorillafan101|talk]]) 21:55, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:{{ping| Gorillafan101}} Unfortunately there is almost always 2500+ drafts waiting for review at any given moment. There is no "queue" for reviews; drafts are reviewed in no specific order. It could be days, weeks, or sometimes months. Don't let this discourage you, though. There's [[WP:TASK|plenty of other stuff]] to do in the meantime. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 22:00, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::For your latest, it was reviewed and declined in just over an hour - declined for little content and no references. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 04:03, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

== Does reviewing the accuracy of an article's sources qualify as 'original research'? ==

[[User:Dronebogus]] recommended I ask this question here, as I believe they are prematurely closing my topics in the talk page of [[Libsoftiktok]]. Some of the article's sources, and thus the article itself, contain claims which I believe to be easily identifiable as factually inaccurate. Dronebogus argues my method for fact-checking these sources constitutes 'original research', and subsequently closed the discussions without anyone else weighing in on the matter.

I am not asking for any information to be included in the article, my intentions were to remove the inaccurate/dubious sources. This appears to not only be allowed on Wikipedia, but encouraged: [[WP:RS]] clearly states "Whether a specific news story is reliable for a fact or statement should be examined on a case-by-case basis". How exactly are you supposed to review the factual accuracy of a claim made in a news story without examining the story's sources? [[User:CodingApe|CodingApe]] ([[User talk:CodingApe|talk]]) 06:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse. I am not going to get involved in this page, but I'll try to answer your question. Generally, the answer is yes: "Fact-checking" reliable, secondary sources' claims yourself is [[WP:OR|original research]]. Wikipedia bases itself on [[WP:V|verifiability]], [[WP:VNT|not "truth"]]. Unless the sources you are considering have a record of being unreliable, there is no reason to doubt their claims. That is not our job as Wikipedians. We are not journalists. You can find sources that have had their reliability previously discussed at [[WP:RSP|the perennial sources list]] and the [[WP:NPPSG|New Page Patrol source guide]]. 
:I would recommend finding a different topic area to edit in. Contentious topic areas always bring out the worst of editors. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 14:26, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::Okay, and what if the sourced article contradicts itself? Does using the contradictory claim from the article count as 'original research'? I don't understand why it is acceptable to selectively pull claims from articles and then block discussions regarding other claims the same exact article made. [[User:CodingApe|CodingApe]] ([[User talk:CodingApe|talk]]) 07:25, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:::I feel for you. But if my time as an IP-editor has shown me anything is that WP is a convoluted, big, and bureaucratic place with many arcane rules that gatekeep newcomers from adding. You have faced one of them, it seems.
:::WP has this list of [[Wikipedia:Rsp]] they call "perennial reliable sources" and the way it works is by having experienced editors vote on consensus over what source is reliable and what isn't. So, for political topics, a source like Fox News is not reliable for WP, doesn't matter how factual an article might be. Conversely, CNN is considered reliable. This means a CNN article can be awfully wrong but since it is from a reliable source, it is good enough for WP.
:::The only way to eliminate a factually wrong article from a WP article if it comdes from a reliable source is to find other reliable sources contradicting the claim and even then you might get a both-sides kind of sentence.
:::Again, I feel for you for I have seen many times factually wrong information being kept on WP since "reliable sources" say so. The only thing we can do is either protests the RS directly, find other RS that contradict it, or just leave.
:::Hope this explains things a bit.
:::[[Special:Contributions/68.188.156.135|68.188.156.135]] ([[User talk:68.188.156.135|talk]]) 10:31, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

== How Wikipedia works ==

Hello, any useful pages about how generally wikipedia works? i.e. 5 pillars, notability, etc. [[User:BloxyColaSweet|BloxyColaSweet]] ([[User talk:BloxyColaSweet|talk]]) 10:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

:Try [[Help:Introduction]], and then put the phrases you've already mentioned after "WP:" in your search, eg [[WP:5 pillars]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 10:24, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::Why does every perm have to require 500 edits? [[User:BloxyColaSweet|BloxyColaSweet]] ([[User talk:BloxyColaSweet|talk]]) 10:26, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::You have had an account since 2021 and have made more than 1,000 edits. Any reason you are asking beginner-type questions? [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 11:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

== AWB problem ==

I tried using AWB but it keeps loading a permission error that reads along the lines of "this user does not have enough privileges to make semi-automated edits"? What does that mean? My name is on the check page and last time I check I have more than enough privileges to make such changes. [[User:Wolverine XI|<span style="color:#000080;">'''''Wolverine'''''</span> <span style="color:#8A307F;">'''''XI'''''</span>]]  <sup>([[User talk:Wolverine XI|<span style="color:#2C5F2D;">talk to me</span>]])</sup> 06:45, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:Wolverine XI|Wolverine XI]]. It's a general error at the moment. See [[Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser#AWB Permission error]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 11:46, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::It worked for me to update AWB as suggested there. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 11:50, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

== Visible anchors ==

Hello! I could use some help with anchors. On [[List of Harry Potter characters]], the name "Bell, Katie" links to the visible anchor "Katie Bell" on the page [[Dumbledore's Army]]. I would like to make this happen for other names, such as Susan Bones. I created a visible anchor for Bones on [[Dumbledore's Army]], but cannot figure out how to link to it from the "Bones, Susan" entry on [[List of Harry Potter characters]]. [[User:Wafflewombat|Wafflewombat]] ([[User talk:Wafflewombat|talk]]) 21:17, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
: {{re|Wafflewombat}} You might be asking about a piped link.  This is what the Katie Bell link looks like: <nowiki>[[Katie Bell (Harry Potter)|Bell, Katie]]</nowiki>
: See [[WP:PIPED]] [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 21:22, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for the reply. This is different from a normal piped link. Something else is going on here that I can't figure out. [[User:Wafflewombat|Wafflewombat]] ([[User talk:Wafflewombat|talk]]) 21:29, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Wafflewombat|Wafflewombat]]: It's a normal piped link: {{code|[[Katie Bell (Harry Potter)|Bell, Katie]]}}. The target article [[Katie Bell (Harry Potter)]] is a redirect to [[Dumbledore's Army#Katie Bell]].
:::As the article [[Susan Bones]] is a similar redirect, you can achieve your link using the same method: {{code|[[Susan Bones|Bones, Susan]]}}. [[User:Bazza_7|Bazza&nbsp;<span style="color:grey">7</span>]] ([[User_talk:Bazza_7|talk]]) 21:55, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Could you please tell me what happens when you click on the Susan Bones link? For me, it takes me to the Members header on the DA page, instead of directly to the Susan Bones anchor. In contrast, the Katie Bell link takes me directly to the Katie Bell anchor on the DA page. [[User:Wafflewombat|Wafflewombat]] ([[User talk:Wafflewombat|talk]]) 22:07, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::That is because the redirect [[Susan Bones]] points to [[Dumbledore's Army#Members]] and not to [[Dumbledore's Army#Susan Bones]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 22:40, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::Got it. Thanks! [[User:Wafflewombat|Wafflewombat]] ([[User talk:Wafflewombat|talk]]) 22:51, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]]: Thanks for spotting what is now obvious but wasn't yesterday.
::::::@[[User:Wafflewombat|Wafflewombat]]: I have updated [[Susan Bones]] to point to [[Dumbledore's Army#Susan Bones]]. [[User:Bazza_7|Bazza&nbsp;<span style="color:grey">7</span>]] ([[User_talk:Bazza_7|talk]]) 12:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

== How to make the cool signatures? ==

I want my signature to look like this: [[User:Hypersilly|<span style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,yellow,magenta); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">'''hypersilly'''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Hypersilly#top|<span style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,yellow,magenta); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">'''talk'''</span>]])</sup>

However the normal one is still there: [[User:Hypersilly|Hypersilly]] ([[User talk:Hypersilly|talk]]) 11:23, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Hypersilly|Hypersilly]] you can follow [[WP:CUSTOMSIG]]. [[User:Broc|Broc]] ([[User talk:Broc|talk]]) 11:25, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
::Please also make sure to use a contrast ratio of at least 4.5:1 to ensure accessibility per [[WP:SIGAPP]]. [[User:Broc|Broc]] ([[User talk:Broc|talk]]) 11:27, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:::constrast ratio? what are those [[User:Hypersilly|Hypersilly]] ([[User talk:Hypersilly|talk]]) 11:28, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Hypersilly|Hypersilly]]: "Note 5" at [[WP:SIGAPP]], which @[[User:Broc|Broc]] referred to above, answers your question. In summary, make sure there's enough contrast between the text and the background. The example you used above does not meet accessibility requirements. [[User:Bazza_7|Bazza&nbsp;<span style="color:grey">7</span>]] ([[User_talk:Bazza_7|talk]]) 12:13, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::i just found out that on dark mode my signature looks better and on light mode it looks bad
:::::im so sorry!! [[User:Hypersilly|<span style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,yellow,magenta); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">'''hypersilly'''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Hypersilly#top|talk]])</sup> 12:17, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::well for me it looks visible enough but still bad [[User:Hypersilly|<span style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,yellow,magenta); -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;">'''hypersilly'''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Hypersilly#top|talk]])</sup> 12:17, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Hypersilly|Hypersilly]] For readability, I'd recommend tweaking the colour values, it is a strain on the eyes on light mode. And it's not particularly helpful for other editors if your signature causes eyestrain! <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">'''[[User:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">Qcne</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span>]]</small></span> 15:37, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::::does this work? [[User:Hypersilly|<span style="transform: rotate(-10deg); display: inline-block;">hypersilly</span>]] <sup>([[User_talk:Hypersilly#top|talk]])</sup> 04:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::That could work, @[[User:Hypersilly|Hypersilly]], as long as it does interfere with how the surrounding text displays. 
:::::::::On another note: as you're a new editor here, I would suggest you to focus your efforts on editing Wikipedia rather than your user space and signature. You can find tasks suitable for everyone at the [[Wikipedia:Task Center]]. [[User:Broc|Broc]] ([[User talk:Broc|talk]]) 14:02, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

== Editing and correcting company Wikipedia entry ==

Hello everyone,

I am *brand new* at Wikipedia and I would like to ensure our company's Wiki page is completely up to date and accurate. I realise that making direct edits is strongly discouraged and I am keen to ensure that we comply with applicable policies relating to transparency. I'd like to disclose that I did make some small edits (correct the name of the CEO, number of offices, current Board of Directors etc). Could I please ask for a kind volunteer to independently verify these? 

'''9 August 2024'''

* cur[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Navigator_Gas&diff=prev&oldid=1239460398 prev] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Navigator_Gas&oldid=1239460398 12:17,] ‎ [[User:AlexWalsterNVGS|<bdi>AlexWalsterNVGS</bdi>]] [[User talk:AlexWalsterNVGS|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/AlexWalsterNVGS|contribs]]‎  37,693 bytes '''−1,985'''‎  [[Navigator Gas#Merger with Ultragas ApS (2021 onwards)|→‎Merger with Ultragas ApS (2021 onwards)]]: Removed this section and will instead submit an edit request. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Navigator_Gas&action=edit&undoafter=1239260080&undo=1239460398 undo] [[Special:Tags|Tag]]: [[Wikipedia:VisualEditor|Visual edit]]

==== 8 August 2024 ====

* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Navigator_Gas&diff=1239460398&oldid=1239260080 cur][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Navigator_Gas&diff=prev&oldid=1239260080 prev] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Navigator_Gas&oldid=1239260080 07:45, 8 August 2024]‎ [[User:AlexWalsterNVGS|<bdi>AlexWalsterNVGS</bdi>]] [[User talk:AlexWalsterNVGS|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/AlexWalsterNVGS|contribs]]‎  39,678 bytes '''+1,990'''‎  Added a section about the merger with UltraGas ApS. Changed office locations to 5. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Navigator_Gas&action=edit&undoafter=1237808893&undo=1239260080 undo] [[Special:Tags|Tag]]: [[Wikipedia:VisualEditor|Visual edit]]

==== 31 July 2024 ====

* [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Navigator_Gas&diff=1239460398&oldid=1237808893 cur][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Navigator_Gas&diff=prev&oldid=1237808893 prev] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Navigator_Gas&oldid=1237808893 15:34, 31 July 2024]‎ [[User:AlexWalsterNVGS|<bdi>AlexWalsterNVGS</bdi>]] [[User talk:AlexWalsterNVGS|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/AlexWalsterNVGS|contribs]]‎  37,688 bytes +38‎  Updated the Infobox with correct Executive Officers, added the address of the head office [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Navigator_Gas&action=edit&undoafter=1234139968&undo=1237808893 undo] [[Special:Tags|Tags]]: [[Wikipedia:VisualEditor|Visual edit]] [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Links to disambiguation pages|Disambiguation links]] added

[[User:AlexWalsterNVGS|AlexWalsterNVGS]] ([[User talk:AlexWalsterNVGS|talk]]) 12:34, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

:Kudos for declaring your paid connection to [[Navigator Gas]] on your User page, and also for submitting a referenced change request on the Talk page of the article. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 14:48, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

== Could someone continue to write and publish an article based on my draft? ==

I have started a small draft for a future article by Matías Díaz Padrón, the respected art historian. 
I don't want to upload an article that doesn't comply with the rules, and I can't make progress. [[User:TruPiGo|TruPiGo]] ([[User talk:TruPiGo|talk]]) 09:01, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

:I've moved it from [[User talk:TruPiGo]] to [[User:TruPiGo/Sandbox]]. Probably not. There are many problems with this. By contrast, [[Edward Lucie-Smith]] is a tolerably good article (not a very good one) about an art historian. Notice how the important part is written in paragraphs, which contain sentences, each of which has a subject and a predicate. By contrast, the lead of your draft doesn't have a single sentence. (Also, I'm amazed that such a high percentage of this man's works have titles in English.) -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 09:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

:More urgently, [[User:TruPiGo|TruPiGo]], you can't simply upload [[:c:File:Matías Díaz Padrón, Inmaculada Alonso Blázquez.png|a file]] to Commons and say that it's by a friend. The friend (the artist) is the only person who can copyleft it. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 09:27, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::Understood, thank you. [[User:TruPiGo|TruPiGo]] ([[User talk:TruPiGo|talk]]) 09:50, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::The answer to your initial question is, yes, in principle, but not necessarily in practice. Wikipedia is a collaborative project, and many people typically work on an article. When a draft is in your own sandbox, others will not normally touch it unless you invite them to; if you move it to draft space, say [[Draft:Matías Díaz Padrón]] (which is red because that draft does not currently exist), then people other than you might be more inclined to work on it. But (apart from this discussion) almost nobody would know it existed, and so again it would depend on you inviting people to work on it.
:::You can invite people, but will they come? You haven't given any reason why anybody should want to spend their voluntary time working on this subject. Perhaps somebody reading this will get interested and go and research him; but more likely not. 
:::On a more general topic, editors who try to create a new article before they have spent much time learning about Wikipedia's requirements often have a miserable and frustrating experience. {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 10:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::For the Publications list, I recommend reducing this to no more than ten, and including references, i.e., the journal publication information, for each. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 14:51, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

== The "needs additional citations for verification" on [[Golden Chariot]] seems to be addressed ==

Hi everyone, I have added WP:RS citations on this page for [[Golden Chariot]]. Overall I feel this problem has been addressed. Can I remove this tag? or if anyone wants to chip in some more citations? [[User:ANLgrad|ANLgrad]] ([[User talk:ANLgrad|talk]]) 16:00, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:ANLgrad|ANLgrad]] The tag was added when the article [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Golden_Chariot&oldid=749425250 looked like this]. I would say it's much better now. My only other comment is that the first eight current cites are only mentioned in the [[WP:LEAD]], which suggests the lead is not summarising the rest of the article correctly. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 17:12, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Michael D. Turnbull]] Yes that's true. I see that too in the lead. Will try to address this. [[User:ANLgrad|ANLgrad]] ([[User talk:ANLgrad|talk]]) 15:30, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

== I can not open facebook on my pc why ==

I can not open facebook on my pc why [[Special:Contributions/105.116.3.124|105.116.3.124]] ([[User talk:105.116.3.124|talk]]) 18:06, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

:[[File:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Hello, and [[Wikipedia:Introduction|welcome]] to Wikipedia. While we appreciate that you enjoy using Wikipedia, please note that Wikipedia is an [[encyclopedia]] and not a [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#SOCIALNET|social network]]. Wikipedia is not a place to socialize or write things that are not directly related to improving the encyclopedia. Off-topic material may be deleted at any time. We're sorry if this message has discouraged you from editing here, but the ultimate goal of this website is to build an encyclopedia. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-socialnetwork --><br>–– [[User:KEmel49|kemel49]]<sup>([[User talk:KEmel49|connect]])([[Special:Contributions/KEmel49|contri]])</sup> 18:29, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:Hi, IP user. We only help stuff with Wikipedia, not Facebook. If possible, you could at least reach out to their help center? [[User:Meltdown reverter|<span style="color:red;">'''Meltdown'''</span> <span style="color:orange;">'''reverter'''</span>]] [[User talk:Meltdown reverter|<span style="color:gold;">'''(mail)'''</span>]]  18:31, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User talk:Meltdown reverter]] I realize, of course that it changes nothing--that Wikipedia Teahouse, or Wikipedia in general, cannot help with Facebook problems.  But I have to note: you suggested--you ACTUALLY suggested--reaching out to Facebook "help center"??? AH, HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA ...  (Sorry, gotta catch my breath here.) [[User:AzseicsoK|Uporządnicki]] ([[User talk:AzseicsoK|talk]]) 10:21, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::I don't know the helpfulness of Facebook's help center or whether you can use it if you cannot open Facebook. You could try [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing]] but you should be ''much'' more clear about the problem, e.g. something like "I get this error message when I try to view this url in this browser on this computer in this country" (Facebook may be blocked in the country). [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 16:01, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

== Is NewsReports a reliable source to use for Wikipedia ==

I need help with my first Articles for Creation draft about Bendy in Nightmare Run and i'm having trouble finding a 3rd reliable critic's review to meet WP:GNG. So far i have pinpointed to 1 "reliable source" but i'm not sure if it really is.

The draft has only 2 reliable critic reviews and the 3rd one was a bad Common Sense Media review. I spoke with my reviewer and they did say TheGWW doesn't seem reliable. I've concluded that Dreager1 also doesn't seem like a reliable source. [[User:OliDaHoli|OliDaHoli]] ([[User talk:OliDaHoli|talk]]) 15:01, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

:Hello, OliDaHoli, and welcome to the Teahouse. The [[WP:Reliable sources noticeboard|Reliable sources noticeboard]] is a better place for asking about the reliability of specific sources. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:18, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

== Citation-related questions ==

Thank you in advance to whomever reads this! Following [[User talk:MrOllie#Edit reversions|these rather demeaning, self-righteous responses from MrOllie]] on their Talk page regarding the reversion of multiple citation-focused edits I made to a page with an excessive citation template ([[Qnet]]), I am posting to the Teahouse for some guidance as they requested.

My goal was to help resolve the citation template on the QNet page and then make it better as I have done with many other pages. However, after the extensive reversions, I am now unclear on how to proceed. I would greatly appreciate any help to clarify and/or mediate this situation, as this issue has not extended to similar edits I've made to other pages. A few questions:

1. Are press releases considered low-quality citations? My interpretation of the citation policies is that they are rarely acceptable to use, but MrOllie's explanation was vague, and they wouldn't expound further - I was told they were "not interested in reviewing [my] other edits or answering general questions".

2. If dead links are not properly archived anywhere online, how can they be "fixed" or an "updated URL" be found, particularly for dead sites, 404s, and non-existent archival links? I only removed citations that were not able to be found anywhere online - even in archives. Again, I was trying to remove low-quality and excessive citations.

3. I don't believe any editor should be actively discouraged from editing a page, especially when they've only asked for productive feedback to help resolve a page's long standing template (as well as help the page's readability; the Controversies section on the Qnet page is borderline unreadable with outdated and overdetailed language, none of which I've even attempted editing yet). My questions to them were not based on a lack of basic knowledge, but rather a desire to understand the mechanics of their decisions in order to improve the quality of my edits across Wiki. So how can I provide productive edits to this page, work towards resolving the template, and improve the page quality?[[User:CiKing101|CiKing101]] ([[User talk:CiKing101|talk]]) 11:05, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:First, the replies by [[User talk:MrOllie]] were informative and neutral. Please apologize for your characterization as "...rather demeaning, self-righteous responses..." or you will not get any help here. Wikipedia policy is dispute content, but do not disparage the person. To reply to just one of your questions, press releases can be cited for non-controversial facts, such as location of a company, number of employees, etc. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 11:48, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
:{{u|CiKing101}}, {{u|MrOllie}} has taken some trouble to give you good advice. Like David, I don't understand why you criticise him for it. But if you choose to criticise him in public, you should have the courtesy to let him know that you're criticising him. (With this reply, I  am pinging him, so that he'll be aware of this thread.)  [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 19:21, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
::From your edit history, I see that you have put in efforts to improve articles that are tagged as having excessive citations. Most of that work has not been reverted. For the article in question, given reverted, the advised step is to start a discussion on the Talk page of the article rather than here. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 05:37, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Thank you for your feedback and for guiding me on how to handle this situation. I apologize for any negative tone in my initial message. My intention was not to disparage MrOllie but to seek clarification and I let my frustration show. 
:::Press Releases: I will not clean up press releases that are being used for acceptable for non-controversial facts going forward. Thank you!
:::Dead Links: I have been focusing on removing citations that lead to dead links, particularly when no archival versions exist. Is this an appropriate policy? Any additional advice on handling such citations would be appreciated, especially when reliable archival links cannot be found. 
:::Improving the QNet Page: I will post on the QNet talk page regarding specific citations. Given my track record on other pages and your guidance, hopefully we can get some more movement toward removing the template. 
:::Thank you again for your guidance. [[User:CiKing101|CiKing101]] ([[User talk:CiKing101|talk]]) 17:16, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:CiKing101|CiKing101]] See [[WP:LINKROT]], if you have not already looked at that guidance. There are many archive sites and the fact that you haven't found one doesn't mean that none exists. If you remove a dead link in a [[WP:BLP|biography of a living person]], then policy would suggest you also have to remove the text it supports, which is not a good idea. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 17:27, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

== How can I make this better? ==

I am trying to write a page a Chris Hemsworths fitness company but i keep getting told it sounds like a promotion. can some help on how i can improve it to sound more information? [[User:Dmo143/sandbox]] [[User:Dmo143|Dmo143]] ([[User talk:Dmo143|talk]]) 16:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

:Hello, Dmo143, and welcome to the Teahouse. Like many new editors, you have taken on the noticeably challenging task of trying to create a new article without having spent time learning about Wikipedia's requirements. {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}}
:Specifically, you have written an article that says what Hemsworth and his company want people to know about them. {{HD/WINI}}
:Few, if any, of your sources meet the triple requirement of being reliable, independent, and having significant coverage of the subject (see [[WP:42]]). Unless you can find some sources which do, Centr does not currently meet Wikipedia's criteria for [[WP:NCORP|notability]], and you should not spend any more time on it. 
:If you can find sources, then the next step is to forget everything you personally know about the company, and write a summary of what those independent sources say. ''That'' is unlikely to be promotional. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 17:47, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

== I want to add that there is a roblox game made after brookhaven georgia and is very popular millions of players but it got reverted    ==

can anyone do a more constructive version of mine so it can get added. thank you or give me tips on how to get it constrictive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookhaven,_Georgia[[Special:Contributions/2A02:1210:8601:5C00:D1DC:6443:BACE:EFD1|2A02:1210:8601:5C00:D1DC:6443:BACE:EFD1]] ([[User talk:2A02:1210:8601:5C00:D1DC:6443:BACE:EFD1|talk]]) 18:10, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

:please HELP [[Special:Contributions/2A02:1210:8601:5C00:D1DC:6443:BACE:EFD1|2A02:1210:8601:5C00:D1DC:6443:BACE:EFD1]] ([[User talk:2A02:1210:8601:5C00:D1DC:6443:BACE:EFD1|talk]]) 18:14, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
: When you add information to an article, you need to include a source.  Check out [[WP:REFB]] for how to cite your source.  [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 18:15, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::thank you very much. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:1210:8601:5C00:D1DC:6443:BACE:EFD1|2A02:1210:8601:5C00:D1DC:6443:BACE:EFD1]] ([[User talk:2A02:1210:8601:5C00:D1DC:6443:BACE:EFD1|talk]]) 18:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

== Should someone be alerted? ==

Someone on “(redacted)” needs possibly life threatening help. See the description of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Voepass_Linhas_Aéreas_Flight_2283&diff=prev&oldid=1239531623 this edit] of user 187.190.19.240. Do we need to report this or alert someone?[[Special:Contributions/109.38.138.23|109.38.138.23]] ([[User talk:109.38.138.23|talk]]) 21:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

:For future reference please use [[WP:EMERGENCY]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 21:21, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:I have notified them and suppressed the edit. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 21:24, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:It has now been oversighted(stronger than what I can do) [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 21:24, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::Oke thanks, I didn’t know that. If better for privacy reasons, you might also remove the address from my edit? [[Special:Contributions/109.38.138.23|109.38.138.23]] ([[User talk:109.38.138.23|talk]]) 21:26, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::ahh is already done, thanks [[Special:Contributions/109.38.138.23|109.38.138.23]] ([[User talk:109.38.138.23|talk]]) 21:27, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

== How to courses ==

Hi all. I was active on here about 7 years ago. Back then I found a course on here that taught you how to do everything on wikipedia. Id like to do that again. Thank you
Jo Mercurio [[User:567Eights|567Eights]] ([[User talk:567Eights|talk]]) 22:20, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:567Eights|567Eights]], I think you might mean [[WP:TWA]]? -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 22:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you [[User:567Eights|567Eights]] ([[User talk:567Eights|talk]]) 22:56, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

: {{re|567Eights}} Check out [[WP:TUTORIAL]].  [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 22:47, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

== Can IMDB be used as a source? ==

I'm currently working on an article for a voice actor, but it seems like IMDB is the only source for the actor. [[User:Teamsonic2011|Teamsonic2011]] ([[User talk:Teamsonic2011|talk]]) 18:18, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, {{u|Teamsonic}}. With rare exceptions, IMDb is not considered a reliable source. Please read [[WP:IMDB]] for an explanation. If IMDb is the only source you can find, I suggest that you select another topic. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 18:25, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

:Hello [[User:Teamsonic2011|Teamsonic2011]]. I’ve used IMDb as a place to start researching. If, for example, IMDb says Andy Actor worked as a voice actor in Adventure Movie IV, you can do online searches for “Andy Actor in Adventure Movie IV” and see if you can find a review, or some interview, published by a reliable source, that mentions he worked on the movie. Best wished on your Wikipedia work. [[User:Karenthewriter|Karenthewriter]] ([[User talk:Karenthewriter|talk]]) 02:15, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

== VPN safety? ==

Probably know the answer but wanted to ask anyways. I just realised that there's free WiFi at my dorms. It's fast and free and made me decide to end my costly mobile internet plan at end of month and just rely on the college dorm's free wifi. But I always use VPN when using public WiFi for safety reasons. But I noticed that VPN IP addresses are blocked on Wikipedia. Is there any possible way to edit with a VPN, or just impossible and should forget about it? It's a shame because I want to edit Wikipedia via the free WiFi but also prefer safety. Sorry if this is a stupid question. [[Special:Contributions/49.180.211.104|49.180.211.104]] ([[User talk:49.180.211.104|talk]]) 15:03, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

:Yeah, you can request [[WP:IPECPROXY|IP block exemption]] by emailing checkuser-en-wp@wikipedia.org, but you will need an account for that. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 15:08, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::Oh wow. So it's actually possible? Ok, I will try them then. Thanks and cheers! [[Special:Contributions/49.180.211.104|49.180.211.104]] ([[User talk:49.180.211.104|talk]]) 15:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:I'll add something that may not be immediately obvious: registering an account here can give you '''more''' [[WP:WIA|anonymity]] and privacy than editing without an account, because you can decide how much or how little you include in your username and profile, and your IP address will not be exposed to all and sundry. '''[[User:ClaudineChionh|ClaudineChionh]]''' <small>(''she/her'' · [[User talk:ClaudineChionh|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/ClaudineChionh|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/ClaudineChionh|email]])</small> 02:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

== Something went wrong. ==

I was editing The Californias if it were to becomes its own country and this message popped up:

An automated filter has identified this edit as attempting to '''cite Wikipedia as a source'''. Please be aware that Wikipedia itself cannot be used as a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]], as that would be a [[Wikipedia:CIRCULAR|circular reference]]. If you are confident that your change is appropriate, please click 'Publish changes' again. If you were not adding a reference to Wikipedia, please [[Wikipedia:Edit filter/False positives|report this error]].


If The Californias were to become its own country, it would rank [[List of countries by population (United Nations)|36th as most populous country]].<ref>{{Citation |title=List of countries by population (United Nations) |date=2024-08-06 |work=Wikipedia |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_countries_by_population_(United_Nations)&oldid=1239027259 |access-date=2024-08-09 |language=en}}</ref> It would be ranked in terms of nominal GDP as the [[List of countries by GDP (nominal)|world's fifth largest economy]], behind [[Japan]] and ahead of [[India]] with $3.937 trillion GDP.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Kirby |first=Herman |date=2024-06-22 |title=Where would California rank if it was its own country? |url=https://www.ncesc.com/geographic-pedia/where-would-california-rank-if-it-was-its-own-country/ |access-date=2024-08-09 |website=Geographic Pedia |language=en-US}}</ref> The Californias as its own nation would be ranked [[List of countries and dependencies by area|49th largest by land area in the world]], with a size of 219,819 square miles.<ref>{{Cite web |title=How Big is California? |url=https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/california/how-big |access-date=2024-08-09 |website=worldpopulationreview.com}}</ref> [[Special:Contributions/174.135.36.220|174.135.36.220]] ([[User talk:174.135.36.220|talk]]) 18:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

:it got instantly fixed can you help me with mine the fix said: An automated filter has identified this edit as attempting to cite Wikipedia as a source. Please be aware that Wikipedia itself cannot be used as a reliable source, as that would be a circular reference. If you are confident that your change is appropriate, please click 'Publish changes' again. If you were not adding a reference to Wikipedia, please report this error. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:1210:8601:5C00:D1DC:6443:BACE:EFD1|2A02:1210:8601:5C00:D1DC:6443:BACE:EFD1]] ([[User talk:2A02:1210:8601:5C00:D1DC:6443:BACE:EFD1|talk]]) 18:12, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::Hi IP, the problem here is exactly as the edit filter describes: you're trying to use wikipedia as a source. Don't do that. If you want to cite another Wikipedia article, instead go to that article, find the information you want to cite, and look for the citation ''that'' article uses. You can use that one instead (once you've checked to make sure that it does actually verify the fact.) -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 18:39, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Your first reference is an attempt to cite the Wikipedia article [[List of countries by population (United Nations)]]. That is not permitted. Please read [[WP:CIRCULAR]]. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 18:51, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Wait, I was trying to link to the articles. I can see the problem, because I was trying to link, but cite it by accident. [[Special:Contributions/174.135.36.220|174.135.36.220]] ([[User talk:174.135.36.220|talk]]) 19:31, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::It happens! Don't worry about it. If you're using visual editor (not the source code one), just highlight the text you want to have the link on it, then click the chain icon. You can then type in the name of the article you want to link to. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 22:08, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::I could do it like this.
::::::If The Californias were to become its own country, it would rank [[List of countries by population (United Nations)|36th as most populous country]]. It would be ranked in terms of nominal GDP as the [[List of countries by GDP (nominal)|world's fifth largest economy]], behind [[Japan]] and ahead of [[India]] with $3.937 trillion GDP. The Californias as its own nation would be ranked [[List of countries and dependencies by area|49th largest by land area in the world]], with a size of 219,819 square miles. without citing to its own wikipedia page. [[Special:Contributions/174.135.36.220|174.135.36.220]] ([[User talk:174.135.36.220|talk]]) 22:33, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, that's all great - but do please also provide a citation for this information. Go ahead and borrow one from the pages you're linking to, like I suggested, and that will be fine. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 22:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::::If The Californias were to become its own country, it would rank [[List of countries by population (United Nations)|36th as most populous country]]. It would be ranked in terms of nominal GDP as the [[List of countries by GDP (nominal)|world's fifth largest economy]], behind [[Japan]] and ahead of [[India]] with $3.937 trillion GDP. <ref>{{Cite web |title=How Big is California? |url=https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/california/how-big |access-date=2024-08-09 |website=worldpopulationreview.com}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |date=2022-11-02 |title=Despite all the critics, California could soon rise to the world's 4th-largest economy |url=https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-11-02/what-does-it-mean-if-california-becomes-worlds-4th-largest-economy |access-date=2024-08-09 |website=Los Angeles Times |language=en-US}}</ref> The Californias as its own nation would be ranked [[List of countries and dependencies by area|49th largest by land area in the world]], with a size of 219,819 square miles.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Kirby |first=Herman |date=2024-06-22 |title=Where would California rank if it was its own country? |url=https://www.ncesc.com/geographic-pedia/where-would-california-rank-if-it-was-its-own-country/ |access-date=2024-08-09 |website=Geographic Pedia |language=en-US}}</ref> [[Special:Contributions/174.135.36.220|174.135.36.220]] ([[User talk:174.135.36.220|talk]]) 22:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::I have edited the Californias page with my sources. It would be cool if some people made it in the cartoon as California Republic combining California, Baja California and Baja California Sur.
:::::::::Even then, I learned NOT to sources Wikipedia articles. [[Special:Contributions/174.135.36.220|174.135.36.220]] ([[User talk:174.135.36.220|talk]]) 22:37, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::Can we use Instagram as sources if it quoted.  [[Special:Contributions/174.135.36.220|174.135.36.220]] ([[User talk:174.135.36.220|talk]]) 00:41, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::Usually no - since almost all Instagram accounts wouldn't be a [[WP:RS|reliable source]]. Sometimes an Instagram post is reliable enough for your purposes (eg, you want to say "the president's Instagram account said blah blah"), but if you can get something else, you should try to do that, since Instagram posts can be removed or locked at any time. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 03:24, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

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== olmypic = olympic ? ==

When because of the processes of WP this is all you can provide others what should more advanced editors get upset about the effort to improve articles? This is a question with loads of implications about the various communities in WP. Is there a place for this discussion in WP. If so where. And let's not get out of hand about the point about registered users and those who remain editing with an IP.[[Special:Contributions/2603:8000:D300:3650:C896:8524:E457:4714|2603:8000:D300:3650:C896:8524:E457:4714]] ([[User talk:2603:8000:D300:3650:C896:8524:E457:4714|talk]]) 23:39, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

:Just as @[[User:Walsh90210|Walsh90210]] stated on your talk page, what you're saying is difficult for us to understand. Please clarify what you're trying to ask so we can help. [[User:CommissarDoggo|<b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#fc1008">Commissar</b><b style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Doggo</b>]]''[[User talk:CommissarDoggo|<sup style="font-family:Helvetica Neue;color:#0363ff">Talk?</sup>]]'' 23:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

::{{U|CommissarDoggo}}, first I thought that this had been spewed out by a 40-year commemorative [[Mark V. Shaney]], but I realize now that it's an "insert the punctuation" puzzle: "When, because of the processes of WP, this is all you can provide others, what should more advanced editors get upset about -- the effort to improve articles?" I still don't follow the whole thing, but in the meantime I'll try not to let my points get out of hand. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 00:47, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::It apparently started with a confused edit request only saying "olmypic = olympic" at [[Talk:2024 Summer Olympics#Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2024]]. The article doesn't say "olmypic" now and didn't at the time of the request unless it was transcluded from another page which has since been fixed. The IP apparently never saw the alleged error in the article but in an unspecified search somewhere. Now the IP appears upset that the non-existing error wasn't explained in the reply which asked for clarification. If you think an article has a problem then make sure the article actually has the problem when you make an edit request, and state the request clearly like "change olmypic to olympic", if the page actually did say "olmypic". If you only saw it in a search then say which search and where you made it. A search of {{search link|"olmypic"}} in all English Wikipedia articles currently gives no result. I see no problem in the used Wikipedia process here and no reason to start a wider discussion about the process. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 15:27, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
Your lack of understanding the situation is understood and the resulting assumptions well expected. Your apology is accepted. There was at one time very recently that a search on "olmypic" would have shown there being at least four articles having it, a chart or template that. A usual search at edit level would not reveal it. Attention was called to it and most but not all instances were fixed when the person who had that capability did so. The person that fixed most of the situation evidently did not return to WP in time to finish the string of requests but another editor seemed to take offense to being brought to a situation like i wasted their time, that they did not look into further except to bring into the situation vandalism accusations. That has to be the most irritating trait found with so many editors especially toward IP editors. Their curiosity could not be satisfied in mere seconds so they jumped. Evidently WP if you correct the appropriate source will auto correct all the others without proper documentation in that particular article history. I dont know because i am not as invested in the technicalities of WP as others. All that needed to be done by anyone questioning an error request is to review the history and if the system does not acurately reflect the history that is out of my hands and quite frankly not my problem because normally when something goes amiss, I receive totally unnecessary abuse probably because i am an IP editor. The histories will show that someone spend more seconds reviewing the history and you want me to believe that your word overrides mine concerning the facts. Okay, from my view point there are those that are in this to rack up edits, vast quantities of reverts and spend mere seconds on it. You can feel this by their expression and automatic template warnings. The mere inkling of vandalism brigs this forth. Maybe paying attention is different than jumping on the wrong assumptions cause by previous editing battle scars with people who use IP's. Thats an issue you get to resolve. So as bold as i may be having just said that I do not appreciate being called a liar and a vandal maybe we can all cool down and whoever has the capability look into why, if it did occur something imported into an article such as a chart or template that contains an error will be auto corrected if the origin is corrected and not be reflected in the history. Just to stop the abuse at this point I know there will be those that cannot help themselves and say, "If only they had ......" You want me to bring to your attention what appears is a technical glitch in the system when there are others with far more time invested in WP than me to not have previously encountered it? I could always fall back on it being recognized as a perceived act of vandalism.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2603:8000:D300:3650:1CAD:4D01:BB0:C1B1|2603:8000:D300:3650:1CAD:4D01:BB0:C1B1]] ([[User talk:2603:8000:D300:3650:1CAD:4D01:BB0:C1B1#top|talk]]) 23:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I did some non-trivial tracking and finally found the old error which was in a transcluded part of another article and fixed in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2024_Summer_Olympics_medal_table&diff=prev&oldid=1239364575]. The fix was a few minutes after your original edit request but before somebody else asked for clarification, which was perfectly reasonable to do when the request was vague and the error wasn't there anymore. Instead of clarifying, you reverted the request for clarification twice and reactivated the vague edit request, both times when the error was not in the article. Search updates are sometimes delayed. There is no way to tell whether a Wikipedia search would have reported the error at the time of the reverts. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 02:04, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

The request was not vague if others completed it. End of point. Move on.[[Special:Contributions/2603:8000:D300:3650:1CAD:4D01:BB0:C1B1|2603:8000:D300:3650:1CAD:4D01:BB0:C1B1]] ([[User talk:2603:8000:D300:3650:1CAD:4D01:BB0:C1B1|talk]]) 03:28, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

== Can we use social media like Twitter, Instagrams, etc. if it sourced by quoting? ==

Can we use Instagram as sources if it quoted?  

Like let say "My reason for Medicare for All support is that it can saves dollars, people don't get denied having healthcare and that waiting times get less" quoted by Senator James Goldman on Instagram.  [[Special:Contributions/174.135.36.220|174.135.36.220]] ([[User talk:174.135.36.220|talk]]) 00:46, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

:Hello!
:<nowiki>I would look into {{</nowiki>[[Template:Cite Instagram|Cite Instagram]]<nowiki>}}, it has been used for quotations before! (See an example from </nowiki>[[Hall & Oates#cite ref-59|Hall and Oates]])
:Be careful in the future as citing Instagram is not generally accepted. For future consideration, [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#RSPINSTAGRAM|Wikipedia:Reliable Sources]], [[Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published or questionable sources as sources on themselves|''WP:SOCIALMEDIA'']], and [[WP:INSTAGRAM]] provide more information on reliable sources and use of social media in citations. <u>Citing Insta for a quotation should be fine</u>. 
:Be careful that your quote is also appropriate in the context of your article! I'm not familiar with the [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style|Manual of Style]] and guidelines for articles about political figures but I'm sure you can find some information at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Politics|WikiProject Politics]].
:Happy Editing,  [[User:Wandering Ponderer|Wandering Ponderer]] ([[User talk:Wandering Ponderer|talk]]) 03:21, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:The answer is generally yes as long as it is attributed properly and it is their official account, but secondary sources are always preferred. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 03:28, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::I got one: I was editing Jovanka Beckles for her politician positions. I was thinking that her quotes about her support about Medicare for All and her endorsement from Union of Healthcare Workers. is this fine?
::"Our current healthcare system has placed corporate profit over people, both patients and workers, time and time again.
::Honored to receive the endorsement of National Union of Healthcare Workers and join them in the fight for higher wages, safer staffing levels, and single-payer healthcare! #TogetherWeWin" [[Special:Contributions/174.135.36.220|174.135.36.220]] ([[User talk:174.135.36.220|talk]]) 03:47, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Yes, as long as it is properly attributed in-text (e.g. "Beckles posted a statement on Instagram") as a quote from Instagram. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 04:00, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Now I have finished editing. 
::::Here is the comparison: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jovanka_Beckles&diff=1239572179&oldid=1219921634 Jovanka Beckles: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia] [[Special:Contributions/174.135.36.220|174.135.36.220]] ([[User talk:174.135.36.220|talk]]) 04:02, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::The relevant policy language is [[WP:ABOUTSELF]], which is precise about what is permitted and what isn't. It says that self-published content like tweets and Facebook posts are OK as long as {{tpq|The material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim; It does not involve claims about third parties; It does not involve claims about events not directly related to the source; There is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity; and The article is not based primarily on such sources}}. So, it is problematic for her own thoughts about healthcare policy, since that statement is self-serving in the context of her campaign, and unacceptable regarding the National Union of Healthcare Workers, because they are third parties. Vastly better would be an independent newspaper report analyzing her health care stance and reporting on the union endorsement. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 06:01, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

== Anime Legends: The Timeless Icons of Japanese Animation ==

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Anime has evolved from a niche hobby to a global cultural phenomenon, captivating audiences with its unique blend of art, storytelling, and emotion. Among the myriad of series and films produced over the decades, a select few have risen above the rest to become true legends of the medium. These anime not only shaped the industry but also left an indelible mark on pop culture worldwide. Let's take a look at some of these iconic anime legends that have stood the test of time.

1. Dragon Ball Z (1989-1996)
''Creator: Akira Toriyama''

Few anime have achieved the global reach and influence of ''Dragon Ball Z''. This series brought the concept of epic battles, power levels, and larger-than-life heroes to the forefront of anime culture. Goku, Vegeta, and the Z Fighters' battles against powerful foes like Frieza and Cell have become legendary, inspiring countless adaptations, video games, and merchandise. ''Dragon Ball Z'' not only set the standard for shonen anime but also introduced many Western audiences to the world of anime.

2. Naruto (2002-2017)
''Creator: Masashi Kishimoto''

''Naruto'' tells the story of a young ninja, Naruto Uzumaki, who dreams of becoming the Hokage, the leader of his village. The series explores themes of friendship, perseverance, and the struggle to overcome personal hardships. ''Naruto'' became a cultural phenomenon, with its deep lore, memorable characters, and iconic battles making it a staple in the shonen genre. The sequel series, ''Naruto Shippuden'', continued the legacy, further solidifying its status as an anime legend.

3. Sailor Moon (1992-1997)
''Creator: Naoko Takeuchi''

As one of the most influential magical girl series, ''Sailor Moon'' revolutionized the genre with its strong female protagonists, engaging storylines, and a perfect blend of action and romance. Usagi Tsukino, aka Sailor Moon, along with her fellow Sailor Guardians, have become cultural icons. The series' impact on both anime and global pop culture is undeniable, inspiring generations of fans and setting the stage for future magical girl series.

4. Neon Genesis Evangelion (1995-1996)
''Creator: Hideaki Anno''

''Neon Genesis Evangelion'' is not just an anime series; it's a cultural milestone. With its complex narrative, deep psychological themes, and groundbreaking animation, ''Evangelion'' pushed the boundaries of what anime could achieve. The story of Shinji Ikari and the battle against the mysterious Angels is layered with symbolism and existential questions, making it a series that fans and scholars continue to analyze to this day.

5. One Piece (1999-Present) 
''Creator: Eiichiro Oda''

''One Piece'' is not just one of the longest-running anime series, but it's also one of the most beloved. Following the adventures of Monkey D. Luffy and his crew as they search for the ultimate treasure, the "One Piece," this series has captivated audiences with its rich world-building, diverse characters, and epic story arcs. With over 1,000 episodes and counting, ''One Piece'' shows no signs of slowing down, continuing to be a pillar of the anime industry.

6. My Neighbor Totoro (1988)
''Diretor: Hayao Miyazaki''

While not a series, ''My Neighbor Totoro'' is a film that holds a legendary status in the world of anime. Directed by the legendary Hayao Miyazaki, this Studio Ghibli masterpiece is a heartwarming tale of two sisters who encounter magical creatures in the countryside. Totoro, the film's titular character, has become a beloved symbol of childhood wonder and imagination, making the film a timeless classic.

7. Attack on Titan (2013-2023) 
''Creator: Hajime Isayama''

''Attack on Titan'' took the anime world by storm with its intense action, intricate plot, and shocking twists. Set in a world where humanity is on the brink of extinction due to giant humanoid creatures known as Titans, the series explores themes of freedom, sacrifice, and the human condition. Its gripping story and unforgettable characters have earned it a place among the greatest anime of all time.

Conclusion
Anime legends are more than just successful series; they are cultural milestones that define generations and influence the future of the medium. These anime have transcended the screen to become integral parts of global pop culture, inspiring countless fans and creators alike. As anime continues to evolve, these legends will remain as timeless examples of the power of storytelling and artistic expression. [[User:Aneesh Ishaq|Aneesh Ishaq]] ([[User talk:Aneesh Ishaq|talk]]) 05:51, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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:Mere flatus. Example: {{Olive|Let's take a look at some of these iconic anime legends that have stood the test of time.}} As opposed to timeless anime icons that have become legendary, legendary anime timelessness that has become iconic, et cetera. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 06:27, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

== Should I create an article for Colin Puetz? ==

Colin Puetz does have a German article dedicated to him but there's no English Wiki Article dedicated to him. I'm confused about whether I should create an article about him.

[[Draft:Colin Pütz|Draft:Colin Pütz - Wikipedia]] [[User:Oleeveeya|Oleeveeya]] ([[User talk:Oleeveeya|talk]]) 07:16, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

:[[User:Oleeveeya|Oleeveeya]], if a subject merits an article in the Wikipedia of one language, this doesn't mean that the subject also merits an article in the Wikipedia of another language. This proposed subject is a living person (and a minor to boot), so you'd have to back up every assertion about him with a reliable source. Can you do that? -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 08:20, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::I can do that! But can I use the sources (most of which are in German) used in the German article about him, alongside the sources that I've found out by researching? If yes, then I can certainly do it!  <span style="font-family: Vivaldi; ">[[User:Oleeveeya|<span style="color: #B9003C">Oleeveeya</span>]] [[User talk:Oleeveeya|<span style="color: #4D2D76">(talk)</span>]]</span> 08:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::If a source is reliable, it doesn't matter at all that it's in German (or Spanish, French, Finnish or whatever). Of course some websites are bilingual, and you may find that in addition to the German-language page cited in the German-language article there is an English-language page; if so, please cite the English-language page. Good luck with the draft! -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 09:05, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::I agree with Hoary, but I want to put a bit more stress on the quality of the sources. Yes, sources in other languages are quite acceptable, but they must still meet the triple criteria of being reliable, independent of the subject, and having significant coverage of the subject (see [[WP:42]]). 
:::Most of the sources in [[:de:Colin Pütz]] are inaccessible to me (they give 404 errors), but looking at the citations, I suspect that most of them are either not independent of Pütz, or do not contain significant coverage of him. I may be wrong, but I urge you to look at them critically in this way. 
:::If you cannot find at least three sources which meet all those three criteria, then you will be unable to establish that he is [[WP:BIO|notable]] according to English Wikipedia's criteria, and no article is possible. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 10:15, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::::I had a look at the article in DE too...one source that could have been useful, the one from the Kölner Stadtanzeiger, is 404ed. The one from the General Anzeiger Bonn, ist just a passing mention. The rest are mostly about the subject of the article playing a young Beethoven in a tv/film production. None of the sources available would help in establishing [[WP:N|notability]] in the way English Wikipedia sees it. But let me invite you over to [[Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English]]: we have some lovely translations from German waiting to be checked :). [[User:Lectonar|Lectonar]] ([[User talk:Lectonar|talk]]) 10:28, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::Well, in that case I'll keep finding sources that'll hopefully help in establishing notability. In the mean time, I'll check those translations from German! :)  <span style="font-family: Vivaldi; ">[[User:Oleeveeya|<span style="color: #B9003C">Oleeveeya</span>]] [[User talk:Oleeveeya|<span style="color: #4D2D76">(talk)</span>]]</span> 07:22, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

== Indexing and patrolling (way to nominate article for patrol?) ==

I recently moved the article "[[Kikuo (musician)|Kikuo]]" to the mainspace, and I know there are several pages in need of patrolling by the [[Wikipedia:New pages patrol|new pages patrol]], but I was still wondering if there was a way to [[wiktionary:nominate|<u>nominate</u>]] it for patrol sooner so that it can be indexed by search engines. I understand that articles older than 90 days are indexed, but the article's subject is currently on tour and it would be more helpful if it were indexed sooner rather than later. No biggie if this is not possible, I was just wondering <3 [[User:Wandering Ponderer|Wandering Ponderer]] ([[User talk:Wandering Ponderer|talk]]) 02:37, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

:{{ping|Wandering Ponderer }} I've marked it as reviewed because I see notability, but I will note that a lot of the listed sources are unreliable (YouTube, Genius, Tumblr, Twitter, Spotify), which is something you may want to work on. I've tagged it as such for now. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 04:05, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::{{u|Wandering Ponderer}}, I noticed that you wrote {{tpq|the article's subject is currently on tour and it would be more helpful if it were indexed sooner rather than later}}. Please be aware that being "more helpful" to a performers current tour is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia, which explicitly forbids any advertising, marketing or public relations activity. Our purpose is to [[WP:NPOV|neutrally]] summarize notable topics, not to help performers or actors or artists or entrepreneurs or politicians or dentists or surgeons along on their careers. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 06:27, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Ah yes, I had no intention of advertising him or his tour. In fact, the article's 'tour' section is the shortest on the page! I genuinely thought that the English-speaking public (be it tour-goers or whoever) might benefit from encyclopedic information about him given that he's a Japanese artist with little English coverage. Nevertheless, <u>I will definitely ensure that the writing is neutral</u> and purely informative. Thank you for the advice! :) <3 [[User:Wandering Ponderer|Wandering Ponderer]] ([[User talk:Wandering Ponderer|talk]]) 07:37, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::I will address those sources ASAP, thanks for the heads up and the review! <3 I'm still learning all the Wikipedia etiquette, so the advice is greatly appreciated :D  [[User:Wandering Ponderer|Wandering Ponderer]] ([[User talk:Wandering Ponderer|talk]]) 07:19, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

== Page creation  ==

My article wasn't approved because submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. [[User:Bamidele Collins|Bamidele Collins]] ([[User talk:Bamidele Collins|talk]]) 07:44, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

:Your article doesn't relate with Wikipedia policy. see more: [[WP:MOS]].----[[User:KEmel49|kemel49]]<sup>([[User talk:KEmel49|connect]])([[Special:Contributions/KEmel49|contri]])</sup> 07:50, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:(e/c) That is correct. Do you have a question? You have been supplied withh helpful links on your talk page. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 07:51, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

== ar.wikipedia.org - breach of Wikipedia standards ==

<u>All</u> the articles in ar.wikipedia.org (Arabic wikipedia) are at present  headed by a banner talking of genocide in Gaza, alleging targeting of hospitals and schools etc. How does one report this propagandizing and gross breach of 'neutral point of view' to the Wikimedia Foundation?

[[User:Smerus|Smerus]] ([[User talk:Smerus|talk]]) 12:14, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Smerus|Smerus]] Please see https://wikimediafoundation.org/about/contact/ [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 12:43, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Smerus|Smerus]] Some prior discussion at [[m:Requests_for_comment/Violating_the_Neutral_point_of_view_in_Arabic_Wiki]] [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 13:48, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|Smerus}} an established user like you [[Wikipedia:Point|should not be using the Teahouse for complaining about things that have literally nothing to do with English Wikipedia]]. [[User:Dronebogus|Dronebogus]] ([[User talk:Dronebogus|talk]]) 08:13, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

== Using Wikipedia as citation ==

There is an article using wikipedia article as citation. As far as i know it's not accepted per Wikipedia's term. see: [[2007 in esports]].
<br>–– [[User:KEmel49|kemel49]]<sup>([[User talk:KEmel49|connect]])([[Special:Contributions/KEmel49|contri]])</sup> 07:42, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

:{{removed}} -- [[User:DandelionAndBurdock|D'n'B]]-''[[User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock|t]]'' -- 08:01, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::{{Thank}}–– [[User:KEmel49|kemel49]]<sup>([[User talk:KEmel49|connect]])([[Special:Contributions/KEmel49|contri]])</sup> 08:25, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

== Using Instagram as source ==

I have read the Wikipedia guidelines regarding sources and found that users were discouraged from using Instagram as the source. Nevertheless, I found an Instagram account ([https://www.instagram.com/makamindo/ @makamindo]) that posts famous Indonesian tombstones. The account owner visits cemeteries and takes pictures of notable Indonesian tombstones. This can be a good source to be included in the subject's Wikipedia page whose date of death is missing. For this situation, can I cite from @makamindo's Instagram account? [[User:Faldi00|Faldi00]] ([[User talk:Faldi00|talk]]) 04:54, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Faldi00|Faldi00]]. I'm afraid not. A random person claiming to visit cemeteries and take pictures is not what Wikipedia would describe as a [[WP:RS|reliable source]]. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 07:12, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Faldi00|Faldi00]] On the other hand, we have a specific citation template {{tl|cite sign}} which can be used for gravestones and we have a large category for them at [[commons:Category:Gravestones]]. This suggests to me that if you uploaded such a photo to Commons, we would [[WP:AGF|assume good faith]] and allow it to be used as a source. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:Yeah, the answer is less clear than some may think. There is general consensus among editors that [[Findagrave.com]], an otherwise unreliable user-generated website, can be used to cite gravestones when there is a picture. I don't really see why the same wouldn't apply to Instagram, but it's obviously better to try and find another source. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 14:19, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
:I guess you shouldn't use Instagram as a source, I'm afraid. But if you can find the source the instagrammer is using, and if it's reliable, you can definitely use it. You can also try to search up for the information they've provided. If you find out any reputable source that resembles any of the information that they've provided, you can use it too! Thank you for your interest in contributing to Wikipedia! <span style="font-family: Vivaldi; ">[[User:Oleeveeya|<span style="color: #B9003C">Oleeveeya</span>]] [[User talk:Oleeveeya|<span style="color: #4D2D76">(talk)</span>]]</span> 09:37, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

== Can edit the draft ==
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[[Draft:Tropical Storm Maria (2024)]] was declined by @[[User:CFA|CFA]] the draft has copy  
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| 3. edit and fix [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Tropical_Storm_Maria_(2024)&action=edit]
|} [[Special:Contributions/122.52.68.94|122.52.68.94]] ([[User talk:122.52.68.94|talk]]) 04:37, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

:Is this a question, a request, or what? -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 06:28, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Tropical_Storm_Maria_(2024)&action=edit this is a question @[[User:Hoary|Hoary]] add Preparations and See also on the Contents edit it This section '''needs expansion'''. You can help by
::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Tropical_Storm_Maria_(2024)&action=edit&section=3 Japan]. 
::and
::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Tropical_Storm_Maria_(2024)&action=edit&section=4 See also] [[Special:Contributions/122.52.68.94|122.52.68.94]] ([[User talk:122.52.68.94|talk]]) 06:47, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Questions typically take the form of "How can I...?", "Where is the...?", "What does... do?" or similar. If you're not going to make it clear what you're asking then it's not going to be possible for anyone to help you. -- [[User:DandelionAndBurdock|D'n'B]]-''[[User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock|t]]'' -- 07:12, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::::How can edit draft? @[[User:DandelionAndBurdock|DandelionAndBurdock]] <ref>{{Cite web |title="Tropical Storm Maria (2024)" -wikipedia - Google Search |url=https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22Tropical+Storm+Maria+(2024)%22 |access-date=2024-08-10 |website=www.google.com}}</ref> ''Find reliable sources  [[Draft:Tropical_Storm_Maria_(2024)]] on JTWC.'' <ref>{{Cite web |title=Joint Typhoon Warning Center (JTWC) |url=https://www.metoc.navy.mil/jtwc/jtwc.html |access-date=2024-08-10 |website=www.metoc.navy.mil}}</ref>  ''edit ok?'' 
::::* ''[[Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline|in-depth]]'' (not just passing mentions about the subject)
::::* [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|''reliable'']]
::::* [[Wikipedia:No original research#Secondary|''secondary'']]
::::* [[Wikipedia:Independent sources|''independent'']] of the subject
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::::[[Special:Contributions/122.52.68.94|122.52.68.94]] ([[User talk:122.52.68.94|talk]]) 07:20, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::::: You've clearly already found the edit button, what else do you need to know? -- [[User:DandelionAndBurdock|D'n'B]]-''[[User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock|t]]'' -- 07:57, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

::::: OP in the Philippines, to the (very limited) degree that I understand your edits, they seem to be attempts at running updates on the weather. One thing you need to know is that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a news service. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 08:15, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Hoary|Hoary]] hello hurricanes and typhoons [[draft:Tropical Storm Maria (2024)]] was declined by [[User:CFA]] so Japan and See also selections edited? [[Special:Contributions/122.52.68.94|122.52.68.94]] ([[User talk:122.52.68.94|talk]]) 08:24, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Here in Japan it is now 10 August 2024. The draft (about a storm in 2024) says "Weak rainfall hiting [sic] Japan on August 12", with a "citation needed" flag. Are you asking somebody here to provide a reference for a future event? -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 08:34, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Hoary|Hoary]] * ''Find sources:'' [https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22Tropical+Storm+Maria+%282024%29%22 Google] ([https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22Tropical+Storm+Maria+%282024%29%22+-wikipedia books] '''·''' [https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22Tropical+Storm+Maria+%282024%29%22+-wikipedia&tbs=ar:1 news] '''·''' [[scholar:"Tropical+Storm+Maria+(2024)"|scholar]] '''·''' [https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&tbs=sur:fmc&tbm=isch&q=%22Tropical+Storm+Maria+%282024%29%22+-site:wikipedia.org+-site:wikimedia.org free images] '''·''' [https://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&cx=007734830908295939403%3Agalkqgoksq0&cof=FORID%3A13%3BAH%3Aleft%3BCX%3AWikipedia%2520Reference%2520Search&q=%22Tropical+Storm+Maria+%282024%29%22 WP refs]) '''·''' [[Wikipedia:Free English newspaper sources|FENS]] '''·''' [https://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22Tropical+Storm+Maria+%282024%29%22&acc=on&wc=on JSTOR] '''·''' [[twl:"Tropical+Storm+Maria+(2024)"|TWL]] and [https://wiki.chlod.net/] add to fix it? [[Special:Contributions/122.52.68.94|122.52.68.94]] ([[User talk:122.52.68.94|talk]]) 08:54, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::Copy-pasting the notices at the top of the article isn't communicating anything. Just say in your own words what it is that you want. -- [[User:DandelionAndBurdock|D'n'B]]-''[[User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock|t]]'' -- 09:16, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::edit to provide a references? the event edits can help you @[[User:DandelionAndBurdock|DandelionAndBurdock]]
::::::::::links:
::::::::::: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Tropical_Storm_Maria_(2024)&action=edit&section=3 Japan].
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::::::::::: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Tropical_Storm_Maria_(2024)&action=edit&section=4 See also]
::::::::::[[Special:Contributions/122.52.68.94|122.52.68.94]] ([[User talk:122.52.68.94|talk]]) 10:12, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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== How to add a reference with a PDF ==

Hello everyone,

I've been working on a new Wikipedia page for an emerging artist who I believe has a fascinating history worth documenting. I’ve collected some government documents that I’d like to use as references, but I’m unsure how to properly cite these PDFs in the references section.

Could someone please assist me with this? [[User:IlEssere|IlEssere]] ([[User talk:IlEssere|talk]]) 10:42, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

:Them being .pdfs isn't all that different to them being .html pages. - if they're avaliable online you'd be using something like {{t|cite web}} with the URL of the pdf in the <code>url=</code> field. -- [[User:DandelionAndBurdock|D'n'B]]-''[[User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock|t]]'' -- 10:49, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::I received a PDF file from a government department that’s supposed to be available online, but for some reason, it’s not accessible right now. 
::I have the document, but it doesn’t work with a simple URL upload. Is there another way I can share it or upload it? [[User:IlEssere|IlEssere]] ([[User talk:IlEssere|talk]]) 10:56, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Not really. I'd just use {{t|cite document}}, filling out as much as you can. If it's a document that's avaliable to the general public on request in the same way that a library book is, then it's a reasonable [[WP:OFFLINE]] source. -- [[User:DandelionAndBurdock|D'n'B]]-''[[User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock|t]]'' -- 11:01, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you for taking the time to help me with this. I really appreciate it! [[User:IlEssere|IlEssere]] ([[User talk:IlEssere|talk]]) 11:04, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

== Request for Assistance in Creating/Updating Author and TV Show Creator Page ==

Hello Wikipedia Community,

I am seeking assistance in creating or updating a Wikipedia page for myself as an author and creator of children’s TV shows. I have published three books and produced several TV shows for kids. Here are some details about my work:

Books Published (albanian language): 
“Mëngjeset janë parajsa“ (poezi, 2018) - "Heaven is another morning" (poetry, 2018)
„Qyteti Qiellzi“ (prozë poetike, 2020) - "Black Sky City" (poetic prose, sci-fi, 2020)
„Qielli i shpirtit“ (poemë, 2021) - "Sky of the soul" (poem, sci-fi, 2021)

TV Shows for Kids: I've been working for 12 years in MRT (Macedonian Radio Television) which is a public broadcasting organisation and there I have worked as an author and presenter. These are my original titles:

„Eja në përrallën tonë“ (2015-2018) - "Come to our fairytale" (2015-2018)
„Zbavitemi dhe zbulojmë“ (2019) - "Having fun and uncovering) (2019)
„Pirati mjekërrzi“ (2020) - "The Black beard pirate"
„Arushi dhe Bretkosa“ (2020) - "The Bear and the Frog" (2020) - Tv puppet like show 
„E drejtë apo e gabuar“ (2021 – 2022) - "Right or wrong" (2021 - 2022)
„Bota e përrallave“ (2023) - " The world of fairytales" (2023)

I was granted achievement award for the show "The Bear and the Frog" by AJM (Association of Journalists of Macedonia), UNDP and Swiss Embassy for Educational and Creative approach for raising awareness in children regarding the environment.
Some of my shows are accessible in the following YouTube Page: UC36A3Uy9VCn37qqhV4bh_MQ 

Animated illustration:

I worked with the following artists - Antonio Arangelovic (illustrator), Marina Avramovic (editor) and Adem Karaga (actor) and produced an animated ilustration by visualising the first chapter of my book "A dying world". You can see this in the next link: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LR9q8EhqRs&t=1s

Media Coverage: MRT (Maceodnian Radio Television) interviewed both of my books which can be found in the following links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oltm8DhzL1M&t=617s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL4yImvpq2A

I understand the importance of neutrality and verifiability on Wikipedia and would appreciate the community’s help in ensuring that the page meets all guidelines and standards.

Thank you for your time and assistance.

Best regards,
Asdren Çeliku [[User:Asdrenceliku|Asdrenceliku]] ([[User talk:Asdrenceliku|talk]]) 01:59, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:Asdrenceliku|Asdrenceliku]], we typically discourage people from writing autobiographies on Wikipedia. Have a look at [[WP:AUTOBIO]] for more information. Usually, when people want to write autobiographies, they don't actually meet our [[WP:N|notability]] guidelines, and it's a waste of their time to try. It looks like you might actually be eligible for a wikipedia article, though. You may have some luck on Albanian or Macedonian Wikipedia; I don't know anything about them, so that's all I can say there. Are there articles about you and your books/shows in newspaper articles that are available online? That's what most English Wikipedia editors would be looking for. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 03:41, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:Hi @[[User:Asdrenceliku|Asdrenceliku]], we can do something in Albanian, but give us some time. I'll also point this to Macedonian Wikipedians. [[User:Arianit|Arianit]] ([[User talk:Arianit|talk]]) 10:28, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:I have just answered the same question on the Help Desk. Please do not post the some question in several places: it just wastes volunteers' time. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 11:17, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

== Handling bare URLs ==

Hi, I have been correcting [[WP:bare urls|bare URLs]] from the [[:Category:Articles with bare URLs for citations|backlog]] using [[WP:ReFill|ReFill tool]] and manual correction. There are pages where the bare URLs are dead (404 or Server Error) and are not present on Web Archive as well. I haven't updated such links. But '''What should be done in such cases?''' Shouldn't one remove those and replace them with a {{citation needed}} template since the actual URL is inaccessible now? [[User:Waonderer|Waonderer]] ([[User talk:Waonderer|talk]]) 00:11, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
: {{re|Waonderer}} No, don't delete it.  See [[WP:KDL]].  Use the {{t|deadlink}} template as shown there.  [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 00:15, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks. I haven't deleted any such links so far. Just that, the presence of {{bare url inline}} makes them appear in the [[:Category:Articles with bare URLs for citations]] despite having checked them previously. Does adding {{deadlink}} remove the links from the bare URLs backlog? or will they still appear? [[User:Waonderer|Waonderer]] ([[User talk:Waonderer|talk]]) 00:35, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Waonderer|Waonderer]] the categories are populated by the presence of the templates, so using {{tl|Dead link}} populates [[:Category:Articles with dead external links]]. Assuming you remove the {{tl|Bare URL}} tag and there are no others in the article, then it will be removed from that category. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 12:42, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

== Edit on article regarding Talc. ==

[[Talc]]

I have issue with a sentence on this article specifically

"Stringent quality control since 1976, including separating cosmetic- and food-grade talc from that destined for industrial use, has largely eliminated this issue, but it remains a potential hazard requiring mitigation in the mining and processing of talc."

The referenced source is poor. Quality controls introduced in 1976 were not stringent, were designed by the industry and are still the same today. I can find recent academic article where asbestos is still found in talc products. Any amount of asbestos is harmful so if it is still being found today the issue has not been largely eliminated. 

I tried to edit including some references but it has been reverted back.

How do I proceeded. [[User:Davekp|Davekp]] ([[User talk:Davekp|talk]]) 13:56, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

:Which edits were yours? The only edit you have on this account, {{u|Davekp}} which is the above one to the Teahouse. -- [[User:DandelionAndBurdock|D'n'B]]-''[[User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock|t]]'' -- 14:08, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::I think they're referring to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talc&diff=prev&oldid=1239500445 this edit] which was reverted by [[User:Catfurball|Catfurball]]. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 14:38, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::When reverted, the next proper step is to start a dioscussion on the Talk page, including an invitation to the editor that reverted your content. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 16:12, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

== Where is the short description displayed? ==

Title. I used to think it showed in the page preview when you hover on a link like the [[Olympic Games]] - but clearly that does not show the short description (did it ever?), instead it shows part of the lead. So where is the short description actually visible? &ndash; [[Special:Contributions/2804:F14:80A6:D301:94E3:EE66:BC26:12E9|2804:F1...26:12E9]] ([[User talk:2804:F14:80A6:D301:94E3:EE66:BC26:12E9|talk]]) 18:31, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

:They're mainly used in the mobile app where they appear beneath the title and in searches. They also appear in suggested searches below the title on desktop if you have the Vector 2022 skin selected. You can view them in articles on desktop if you enable the [[WP:Shortdesc helper|Shortdesc helper]] gadget in [[Special:Preferences|Preferences]]. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 18:39, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:They're also visible when you're making a link to other articles using Visual Editor, and in a few other editor-facing places like that. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 18:52, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

== ترجمه کتاب از انگلیسی به فارسی ==

چطور می توانم کتابم را ترجمه کنم [[User:Shadokht99|Shadokht99]] ([[User talk:Shadokht99|talk]]) 17:35, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

:Please Ask question in english language because its english language wikipedia. However After translating your text through Google translator i think you are asking a question regarding your book, that you want to Upload.
:Do remember this is an encyclopaedia and not a book publisher. ask question about encyclopedic matter and any other Wikipedia related questions.<br>–– [[User:KEmel49|kemel49]]<sup>([[User talk:KEmel49|connect]])([[Special:Contributions/KEmel49|contri]])</sup> 18:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

== My draft got rejected ==

Dear all experts, kindly please help me creating articles that won't get rejected here. I am sharing two links of the drafts I have recently republished. However, I look forward to receiving your expert advices and feedback if there is still something lacking in these articles please and I will really appreciate if you could help in editing the pages for landing to the main space. Here are the links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hilary_DeCesare?redirect=no and [[Draft:Russell Dalgleish]] [[User:Sehar Awais|Sehar Awais]] ([[User talk:Sehar Awais|talk]]) 22:01, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:Sehar Awais|Sehar Awais]], the first thing to do is ask the reviewer why they rejected your article. {{u|Qcne}}, it was a while ago, do you remember why you did that? Personally, I wouldn't have rejected that one outright, but this is the first time I'm seeing it and maybe Qcne has some knowledge I don't in this regard. For both articles, you need some more reliable, independent sources to show that they are notable. Have a look at [[WP:N]] for more in-depth explanation of notability. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 22:13, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::Sir I have seen some citations on randon stub articles in the mainspace and some of them also have used references which if I am using,are considered unreliable. Is there some mistake I am doing in the way of citing a link? [[User:Sehar Awais|Sehar Awais]] ([[User talk:Sehar Awais|talk]]) 12:33, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Also there are some articles in which they accept references to amazon and goodreeds but if i do it, they say tiu can't... Am I being marginalized? [[User:Sehar Awais|Sehar Awais]] ([[User talk:Sehar Awais|talk]]) 12:35, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::::If you see any articles that use those as references, please edit the article and add copy-paste <nowiki>{{Unreliable sources}}</nowiki> at the top. Thanks! -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 18:56, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:Are you the same person as @[[User:Abeeha Awais|Abeeha Awais]]? That editor asked about [[Draft:Russell Dalgleish]] just yesterday at [[WP:AFCHD]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 22:38, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::That is my sister. She tried working on it too but couldn't get anywhere [[User:Sehar Awais|Sehar Awais]] ([[User talk:Sehar Awais|talk]]) 12:29, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Refs to Amazon and GoodReads are not acceptable. Their existance in other articles is wrong. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 16:18, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

== replying to an extended-confirmed-protected edit request ==

There are two pending extended-confirmed-protected edit requests on the Tim Walz talk page [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tim_Walz#Extended-confirmed-protected_edit_request_on_10_August_2024][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tim_Walz#Extended-confirmed-protected_edit_request_on_10_August_2024_(2)]. Both use Fox News as a source, which is not WP:RS for political news per [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#Fox News (politics and science)|this entry]] on the Perennial sources list. I tried looking up whether there are RSs for these proposed edits. For the first request, all other sources I've found say something like "Fox News reports that ...," so the answer is no. There's also a related discussion [[Talk:Tim Walz#New source on retirement|elsewhere]] on the talk page. For the second request I've been able to find another source that ''is'' a RS, so I'm OK making the change and citing the other source. I haven't ever responded to an an extended-confirmed-protected edit request before, and I'm wondering if it's acceptable for me to post a reply to each (explaining that the first request will only be approved if a RS is found for it and pointing out the discussion elsewhere on the page, and explaining that I'm carrying out the second request because I've been able to find a RS), and if so, how to do it. I tried looking this up, and the closest I found was [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_requests#Further_information_needed], which makes me think that I set the parameter to "yes" and then can reply using a reply button. Am I understanding right? I'm just not clear on how to proceed. Thanks, [[User:FactOrOpinion|FactOrOpinion]] ([[User talk:FactOrOpinion|talk]]) 16:48, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
: {{re|FactOrOpinion}} Your understanding is correct.   Also, see {{t|EP}} for some helpful templates you can use in your reply, but that is not required.  [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 18:34, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:FactOrOpinion|FactOrOpinion]] ([[User talk:FactOrOpinion|talk]]) 19:43, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

== possible out of date text/image on the citation needed info page ==

I wanted to insert "citation needed" for the first time, and I went to the [[Wikipedia:Citation needed|citation needed information page]] to learn how to do it. That page says "You can add a citation by selecting from the drop-down  menu at the top of the editing box," with an image of a "cite" drop-down menu. However, I don't see a "cite" drop-down menu when I edit; instead, I had to poke around and discover that if I used the "+" drop-down menu, chose "template," and then filled in "citation needed," that would enable me to add "citation needed." Am I supposed to be able to see a "cite" menu, or has that been replaced by the "+" menu? If the latter, it would be good to update the info page. I wanted to check here first to see whether others see a "cite" menu and also find out who I should ask to make the change. Thanks. [[User:FactOrOpinion|FactOrOpinion]] ([[User talk:FactOrOpinion|talk]]) 02:56, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:FactOrOpinion|FactOrOpinion]], it sounds like you're getting confused between adding a citation and adding the "citation needed" template. You use the cite button to add the ''citation'', not the template. In any case, there should be a "cite" button on your editor, whether you're using Visual Editor or the source code editor, so I'm not sure what the problem is for you there. I just checked and I can see it on both editors myself. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 03:46, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::You're right; I misinterpreted what I read. It was the Citation Needed info page, and I wasn't expecting to read about adding citations, so I misinterpreted that sentence as if it were talking about adding "citation needed" instead of adding a citation. My mistake. That said, when editing I see a citation button with a quotation marks image, not a citation drop-down menu with a "cite" image, so that sentence and the accompanying image on that page are still out of date.
::Also, it would help if the info page explained how to accomplish this when using the visual editor in addition to showing what's involved when using the source editor. Thanks again. [[User:FactOrOpinion|FactOrOpinion]] ([[User talk:FactOrOpinion|talk]]) 04:09, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Hello, FactOrOpinion. Most information pages can be edited by anybody, so if you see something that can be improved on one, you're welcome to improve it. (Of course, just like everywhere else, somebody may not agree with your improvement, and then you can have a discussion. [[WP:BRD]] applies here as well). [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 12:32, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::::{{u|ColinFine}}, thanks, I was hesitant to modify an info page. But if I'm going to do that, where do I find an image of the quotation marks button to replace the current [[Wikipedia:Citation needed#/media/File:VisualEditor - Cite Pulldown.png|"cite" drop-down menu image]]? Also, I'm not sure if the way that I introduced a "citation needed" tag using the visual editor (i.e., by clicking on the "+" drop-down menu, choosing "Template," writing "Citation needed" in the Find template box, and then clicking on the top response) is the most efficient way of adding this template using the visual editor. Is there a more efficient way? If my description is the way to do it, then I'd also need to find an image of the "+" drop-down to add, and perhaps also an image of the template icon and a search box. Thanks for your help. [[User:FactOrOpinion|FactOrOpinion]] ([[User talk:FactOrOpinion|talk]]) 13:11, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::Hello, FactOrOpinion. I have no idea of the answers to these questions. Every page has an associated talk page, where people who are interested in the contents of that page tend to hang out. Perhaps you would get an answer if you posted there. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 13:18, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::OK, I'll try that, though if someone else happens to read this exchange and knows the answers, I'd welcome them! Thanks, [[User:FactOrOpinion|FactOrOpinion]] ([[User talk:FactOrOpinion|talk]]) 13:27, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:FactOrOpinion|FactOrOpinion]], I find Visual Editor really annoying for adding templates in general, but there's a bit of a shortcut if you type <nowiki>{{</nowiki> (make sure you have the cursor where you want the template to appear in the text when you do this). That brings up the template window immediately. For the image, you'd have to make one yourself with a screenshot. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 18:48, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::{{u|asilvering}}, thank you. I'm not as used to using the source editor, though I'll sometimes use it or simply open it to view someone else's edit, in order to see how that person accomplished something I want to learn. I'll think about taking a screenshot and learning to upload an image. I'm going to wait a bit, to see if I get any response on the Citation needed Talk page. [[User:FactOrOpinion|FactOrOpinion]] ([[User talk:FactOrOpinion|talk]]) 19:58, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

== Wikipedia Dark mode ==

Is their one for desktop? I don't see spectacle icon near top (however I saw one when using a vm with another country location and not logged in). [[User:ExclusiveEditor|<span style="background:Orange;color:White;padding:2px;">Exclusive</span><span style="background:black; color:White; padding:2px;">Editor</span>]] [[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|<sub>Notify Me!</sub>]] 19:49, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
: {{re|ExclusiveEditor}} Under your preferences, check the gadget section, dark mode is there.  Also, I think if you are using Vector 2022 skin, there is a dark mode setting for that.  [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 20:26, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::I use vector 2010, but to see if there is dark mode here, I switched to vector 2022. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|<span style="background:Orange;color:White;padding:2px;">Exclusive</span><span style="background:black; color:White; padding:2px;">Editor</span>]] [[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|<sub>Notify Me!</sub>]] 22:04, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

== Need help adding citations from Japanese Wikipedia ==

For a fatal 1991 accident in constructing a train line in Hiroshima, Japan [[Astram Line#History|(Astram Line)]]. I found an international source from LA News, but an article from Japan gives another perspective and may mention the station name, which the US source didn't.

So, I might need help adding citations properly from the [[:ja:広島高速交通広島新交通1号線#%E6%AD%B4%E5%8F%B2|Astram Line page of JP Wikipedia]]. There was even an article detailing the accident. I can't get the hang of translating the Japanese citation accurately, even knowing |translated-title, |script-title, etc. 

The reference I wanted to move to English Wikipedia looks like this

[[:ja:曽根悟|曽根悟（監修）]] 著、朝日新聞出版分冊百科編集部 編『週刊 歴史でめぐる鉄道全路線 公営鉄道・私鉄』 30号 モノレール・新交通システム・鋼索鉄道、[[:ja:朝日新聞出版|朝日新聞出版]]〈週刊朝日百科〉、2011年10月16日、25頁 [[User:RFNirmala|RFNirmala]] ([[User talk:RFNirmala|talk]]) 07:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

:Do you know Japanese? if yes then please translate japanese text.
:–– [[User:KEmel49|kemel49]]<sup>([[User talk:KEmel49|connect]])([[Special:Contributions/KEmel49|contri]])</sup> 08:27, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

:[[User:RFNirmala|RFNirmala]], am I right in inferring that (even via Google Translate or similar) you haven't read the source you hope to cite? If indeed you haven't, you're trusting that ja:Wikipedia article to be a reliable source for what the cited (''[[:ja:週刊朝日|Shūkan Asahi]]'') source says. But [[Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#User-generated_content|Wikipedia isn't a reliable source]]. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 08:29, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::Sadly, yes. (i don't know Japanese, and using Google Translate might do a wrong in translating) The source '''seemed''' uncontested in JP Wikipedia. Still, I can just leave the article as is, and let the citation stay on JP Wikipedia. Where's a more appropriate place to have edit requests like these? [[User:RFNirmala|RFNirmala]] ([[User talk:RFNirmala|talk]]) 00:53, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
:[[User:RFNirmala|RFNirmala]], if you want to use the same references as japanese wiki, it's ok, if that reference is in japanese language then use another parameter <code>|language=jp</code> at <code><nowiki>{{cite web}}</nowiki></code>.<br>–– [[User:KEmel49|kemel49]]<sup>([[User talk:KEmel49|connect]])([[Special:Contributions/KEmel49|contri]])</sup> 08:35, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

== [[Karimganj College|This]] article is vandalised ==

Article of [[Karimganj College]] is vandalised by some IP editors. protect that if possible. <br>–– [[User:KEmel49|kemel49]]<sup>([[User talk:KEmel49|connect]])([[Special:Contributions/KEmel49|contri]])</sup> 18:47, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

:{{ping|KEmel49 }} The article hasn't been edited since May? <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 18:49, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::see Edit history. and look after the edits done by IP accounts.<br>[[User:KEmel49|kemel49]]<sup>([[User talk:KEmel49|connect]])([[Special:Contributions/KEmel49|contri]])</sup> 18:58, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::: Please link to the diff or be specific about what problem you are seeing.   Better yet, just [[WP:SOFIXIT]] yourself.  [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 19:03, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::The last IP edits were in February. Why don't you just fix the issue yourself? I don't even see one. <span style=white-space:nowrap;>[[User:CFA|<span style="background-color:#e0f7fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black"><span style=color:#00c>C</span> <span style=color:red>F</span> <span style=color:#5ac18e>A</span></span>]] <span style="background-color:#e6e6fa;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black">[[User talk:CFA|💬]]</span></span> 19:04, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::::{{diff|1169970223}}, {{diff|1169970254}}, {{diff|1194953746}}, {{diff|1194953998}} and {{diff|1194954210}} are some of diff. I am fixing it but the problem is that they might do that again.<br>–– [[User:KEmel49|kemel49]]<sup>([[User talk:KEmel49|connect]])([[Special:Contributions/KEmel49|contri]])</sup> 19:12, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::None of those IP addresses have edited since—what makes you think they plan on editing the article again soon? We generally try to protect pages for as short of a duration as possible, to encourage positive contributors to edit. [[User:Bsoyka|<span style="color:#fff;background:#055;padding:.2em">'''Bsoyka'''</span>]] (<i>[[User talk:Bsoyka|t]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Bsoyka|c]] &bull; [[User:Bsoyka/Guestbook|g]]</i>) 19:17, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::{{Diff|Karimganj College|1207553547|1161483530|The sum of IP edits between June '23 and May '24}} seems about as inoccuous as you can get. There really doesn't seem to be any issue here at all. -- [[User:DandelionAndBurdock|D'n'B]]-''[[User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock|t]]'' -- 05:34, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

== list: [[Film series]] = [[Film franchise]] =/= [[Movie franchise]] = [[Media franchise]] :article ==

list: [[Film series]] = [[Film franchise]] =/= [[Movie franchise]] = [[Media franchise]] :article

4 pages on the same topic should be re-organized 

perhaps:

[[Film series]] becomes [[List of Media franchises]]

[[Film franchise]]  and [[Movie franchise]] become [[Media franchise]]

[[Special:Contributions/98.248.161.240|98.248.161.240]] ([[User talk:98.248.161.240|talk]]) 01:24, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

:The word media encompassses a lot more formats than just films and/or movies. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]])

:I ''think'' what the IP was pointing out was that [[movie franchise]] was a redirect to [[media franchise]], which is clearly incorrect. I have fixed this. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 10:06, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

== Abs Cbn is reliable source? ==

https://news.abs-cbn.com is a reliable? At news? [[Special:Contributions/122.52.82.165|122.52.82.165]] ([[User talk:122.52.82.165|talk]]) 09:25, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

:Yes, ABS-CBN is ''indeed'' a trustworthy and reliable source overall. It has a long history of journalism and is one of the most popular news outlets. However, if you choose to use it, I would greatly appreciate it if you could ''cross-check'' the information. Please be so good as to maintain ''neutrality'', as news outlets are often ''not'' entirely impartial. Like any media outlet, ABS-CBN has faced controversies and challenges, so may I request that you exercise '''caution''' while using it. Thank you for your interest in contributing to Wikipedia. May your day be delightful! <span style="font-family: Vivaldi; ">[[User:Oleeveeya|<span style="color: #B9003C">Oleeveeya</span>]] [[User talk:Oleeveeya|<span style="color: #4D2D76">(talk)</span>]]</span> 12:46, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

== Deleting talk page post ==

Hello,

I made a talk page post that I ended up wanting to delete, but would it be okay since two people responded? This post was not on my page. Thank you. [[User:Dantus21|Dantus21]] ([[User talk:Dantus21|talk]]) 07:11, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
:Removing a comment to which others have replied is a problem because it would make a mess of the discussion. See [[WP:TALK#REPLIED]]. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 07:41, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
::I assume that this goes for posts that are the start of new topics too; aw shucks, but life goes on. [[User:Dantus21|Dantus21]] ([[User talk:Dantus21|talk]]) 07:46, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
::: If nobody has replied after you started a new topic and it's not very long after you posted it, it might be ok to remove it (this is noted in that TALK guideline). When I'm in that situation, I usually just post a response like "nevermind, I fixed it myself". But it would really depend on why I would be thinking about removing it. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 07:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Dantus21|Dantus21]]: You can always indicate that you wish your comment to be ignored by using the {{tl|Deleted text}} template. So {{Deleted text|this comment no longer applies}}. [[User:Bazza_7|Bazza&nbsp;<span style="color:grey">7</span>]] ([[User_talk:Bazza_7|talk]]) 12:55, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

== References, links, templates, editing a draft ==

Hello, as a part of my translation practice I've translated five articles here on wiki. However I have trouble understanding how to add references, templates and links into the article when translating, and on top of that how to edit a community published draft - when I attempt to do so from my published translations section inside of the translations menu, the draft it opens is completely empty, unlike the drafts that I have published which are very much not empty. Can I ask if anyone here has advice for me how to edit a draft post-community publishing, and how to add references, links and templates to drafts? Here's links to the article drafts I published (all in English):

* [[Draft:Zoltan Toman (missing template, references, notes)]]
* [[Draft:Most Lake (missing template, references)]]
* [[Draft:Jan Dobrovský (missing references, intro template)]]
* [[Draft:Choustník Castle]]

thanks in advance! [[User:Praxe1|Praxe1]] ([[User talk:Praxe1|talk]]) 08:41, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Praxe1|Praxe1]] Welcome to the Teahouse. I only looked at the Toman draft but my comments probably apply to the others. You need to read our [[WP:REFB|detailed help on how to insert references]]. I suggest you delete completely the section "Relatives of Zdeněk Toman". On the English Wikipedia, we might have individual articles on other [[WP:NBIO|notable individuals]] who happen to be relatives of the article's topic but we wouldn't include their biographies except by [[WP:WIKILINK|wikilinking them]], or maybe as brief comments if they were not themselves notable. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 13:49, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

== Creating a Wikipedia Page for my business ==

hello Wikipedia family
How do i go about creating a page for my business so that i may be found on Wikipedia. Help [[User:Natbernardin|Natbernardin]] ([[User talk:Natbernardin|talk]]) 14:07, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Natbernardin|Natbernardin]] Judging by [[Draft:Amixie Solutions inc]], which may shortly be speedily deleted as being mere [[WP:PROMOTION|promotion/advertising]], I'm afraid that you will have a hard time trying to create an acceptable article. Wikipedia is not interested in what businesses want to say about themselves: that's what a business website would be for. Instead, it seeks independent, published commentary from sources that are reliable and unbiased. You have an obvious [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] which makes it difficult for you to be [[WP:NPOV|neutral, which by policy Wikipedia tries to be]]. Please read all of these links and [[WP:PROUD|this one]]. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 14:19, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

== Is this citation method accepted? ==

Is citing a book multiple times without short citations acceptable? For instance, in [[Three Kingdoms of Korea|this article]], there are no footnotes, so each citation for a book repeats the entire book’s info, see citations 28 and 32 as an example. I feel this citation method is excessive, but I want to make sure it is depreciated before I do anything to it. [[User:Dantus21|Dantus21]] ([[User talk:Dantus21|talk]]) 07:18, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

:Strictly speaking, there's no prefered citation format - so long as it's done consistently within the article. So this is technically fine. Though a way to make it more consise would be with {{t|reference page}}. -- [[User:DandelionAndBurdock|D'n'B]]-''[[User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock|t]]'' -- 07:30, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
::My understanding is that you may change the citations to use {{reference page}} instead of citing the whole book again, assuming that the article cites whole books without short citations. Is that correct? I just want to make sure I didn’t misunderstand anything. [[User:Dantus21|Dantus21]] ([[User talk:Dantus21|talk]]) 07:36, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
:::You shouldn't drastically change the citation style without talk page consensus. Combining two refs to one named ref with page numbers should be okay though. -- [[User:DandelionAndBurdock|D'n'B]]-''[[User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock|t]]'' -- 14:55, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

== New typhoon? ==
{{collapse top|Same editor as above ([[#Can edit the draft]]) who seems unfortunately incapable of asking a coherent question that people can understand. I'm guessing translation issues. [[User:Cremastra|Cremastra]] ([[User talk:Cremastra|talk]]) 16:25, 11 August 2024 (UTC)}}
Name the typhoon is Dindo on philippines why Invest 95w?  [[Special:Contributions/122.52.20.31|122.52.20.31]] ([[User talk:122.52.20.31|talk]]) 03:12, 11 August 2024 (UTC)                             [[File:Son-Tinh 2024 path.png|200px]]
:I'm not sure what you're asking, and it doesn't seem related to Wikipedia. Do you need help with a specific article? <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]])</span> 03:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
:Were you here yesterday asking about another storm? What exactly are you trying to do here? '''[[User:ClaudineChionh|ClaudineChionh]]''' <small>(''she/her'' · [[User talk:ClaudineChionh|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/ClaudineChionh|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/ClaudineChionh|email]])</small> 03:24, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
:You may want to ask that question at the [[Talk:2024 Pacific typhoon season]]. 🛧[[User:Midori No Sora|<span style="color:#32CCB9;text-shadow:0.2em 0.2em 0.2em #69CC77;">'''Midori No Sora♪'''</span>]]🛪 (<small>[[User talk:Midori No Sora|<span style="color:#0066cc;text-shadow:0.2em 0.1em 0.2em #ffcc00;"> '''☁＝☁＝✈'''</span>]]</small>) 03:27, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Midori No Sora|Midori No Sora]] [[Draft:Tropical Storm Maria (2024)|Maria]] and next name? Typhoon Year 2024? [[Special:Contributions/122.52.20.31|122.52.20.31]] ([[User talk:122.52.20.31|talk]]) 04:03, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia this time? -- [[User:DandelionAndBurdock|D'n'B]]-''[[User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock|t]]'' -- 04:09, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
:::IP address, I'm not sure what you are trying to ask here. If you have questions about the typhoon name, please consider taking this to the article's talk page.
:::This page is for users who need help editing Wikipedia. 🛧[[User:Midori No Sora|<span style="color:#32CCB9;text-shadow:0.2em 0.2em 0.2em #69CC77;">'''Midori No Sora♪'''</span>]]🛪 (<small>[[User talk:Midori No Sora|<span style="color:#0066cc;text-shadow:0.2em 0.1em 0.2em #ffcc00;"> '''☁＝☁＝✈'''</span>]]</small>) 04:11, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Midori No Sora|Midori No Sora]] the question is Son-Tinh and Dindo 2024 See [[Talk:2024 Pacific typhoon season#Copy]]    [[Special:Contributions/122.52.20.31|122.52.20.31]] ([[User talk:122.52.20.31|talk]]) 11 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::I still don't understand what your request is. ''Dindo'' is the next name that the [[Philippine Area of Responsibility|PAGASA]] will use for the next storm that enters its area of responsibility. The TD that is current active south of Maria is nowhere near that area, therefore its not used. Along with the name ''Son-Tinh'', the active storm is still a depression so it's not named yet. 🛧[[User:Midori No Sora|<span style="color:#32CCB9;text-shadow:0.2em 0.2em 0.2em #69CC77;">'''Midori No Sora♪'''</span>]]🛪 (<small>[[User talk:Midori No Sora|<span style="color:#0066cc;text-shadow:0.2em 0.1em 0.2em #ffcc00;"> '''☁＝☁＝✈'''</span>]]</small>) 08:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you're asking. If you specifically need the [[Tropical_cyclone_naming#Western_Pacific_Ocean|name]] of the storm in the Philippines, then it should be entered into the [[Philippine Area of Responsibility]] and assigned by [[PAGASA]]. Right now, the storm is far away from the Philippines.  <span style="font-family: Georgia; background-color: maroon; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">[[User:HurricaneEdgar|<span style="color: greenyellow">HurricaneEdgar</span>]] [[HurricaneEdgar|<span style="color: greenyellow"></span>]]</span> 08:04, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

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== How to cite a pdf from an e-mail ==

Hello. Is it possible to source a PDF off of an e-mail into an article? Its in reference to KC Int'l Airport and the URL bar says C:/Users/(My first name)/Downloads/MCI%20Traffic%20(4).pdf. MCI traffic(4).pdf. No website indication. Is it possible to source the PDF into the article? Need help here. Thank you for your time.[[User:Theairportman33531|Theairportman33531]] ([[User talk:Theairportman33531|talk]]) 12:15, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Theairportman33531|Theairportman33531]]: Sources must be published so that readers can check them for themselves. I tried to access that PDF but cannot as it's on someone's PC's hard drive. So it's of no use as a reference. See [[WP:PUBLISHED]]. [[User:Bazza_7|Bazza&nbsp;<span style="color:grey">7</span>]] ([[User_talk:Bazza_7|talk]]) 12:25, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Theairportman33531|Theairportman33531]] All Wikipedia sources need, by policy, to be able to be capable of being [[WP:V|verified]] by readers. That doesn't mean the source has to be online: it could be from a book only available in a few libraries, or a newspaper published many years ago. Clearly, a .pdf only you possess doesn't qualify. So, where did you get the email from? Maybe the person who sent it to you found the .pdf online somewhere and you could track it back via the [[Internet Archive]], for example. Without much more detail, it is difficult to help further. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 12:25, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

One last option here. I do have the e-mail from where I received the PDF; it is: (''redacted'')
  
He works at MCI Airport. Would this help?[[User:Theairportman33531|Theairportman33531]] ([[User talk:Theairportman33531|talk]]) 13:16, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

:{{U|Theairportman33531}}, I have redacted that email - please do not post anybody's email on this highly visible page. Neither his name nor his position nor his email is of any relevance whatever. [[WP:Verifiability|Verifiability]] is a fundamental principle of Wikipedia, and says that every single piece of information in an article should be verifiable by anybody anywhere in the world. (They might need to order something from a major library, or pay to access a non-free website, but they can in principle find a source for the information). Unpublished information is not acceptable, irrespective of who wrote or holds it. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 13:24, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] that email is still visible in the log – have you requested [[Wikipedia:REVDEL|REVDEL]]? '''[[User:ClaudineChionh|ClaudineChionh]]''' <small>(''she/her'' · [[User talk:ClaudineChionh|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/ClaudineChionh|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/ClaudineChionh|email]])</small> 02:30, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
:::No I haven't. I wasn't sure if it was necessary (I don't know if scrapers go through the history). Do you think it is? [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:29, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, my bad. Didn't realize that. Thanks for everyone's assistance in this matter.[[User:Theairportman33531|Theairportman33531]] ([[User talk:Theairportman33531|talk]]) 13:40, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

== Rejected Submission Help! ==

Hello, 

I am new to writing wikipedia pages and I was wondering if I could have help editing mine. I would also like more suggestions on how to make it better! link: [[User:Phever/sandbox|https://w.wiki/AtLp]]

Thx,

Phe [[User:Phever|Phever]] ([[User talk:Phever|talk]]) 09:00, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

:@[[User:Phever|Phever]] As you have been told, if your proposed article do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject, then it has no place in Wikipedia and no amount of help with editing can overcome this. You need to find those sources ''before'' you begin writing the article, and base the article on those sources. Please see [[WP:YFA]]. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 09:30, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you for your help! [[User:Phever|Phever]] ([[User talk:Phever|talk]]) 09:35, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
:: The notice left on [[User:Phever]]'s sandbox says "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article...", yet the draft includes the sourced statement "earning herself the Korean Music Award's Hip-Hop and R&B song of the year.", which seems to meet [[WP:NM]]; however, she is not listed at [[Korean Music Awards#Best Rap & Hip Hop Song]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 11:55, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, Phever, and welcome to the Teashouse, and to Wikipedia. 
:I'm afraid that you are having a common experience for people who start editing Wikipedia, and immediately try the most challenging task there is. {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:45, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

== How to delete the wikipedia page ==

How to delete the wikipedia page [[Special:Contributions/2405:201:E00B:3826:5586:F532:F060:A3B4|2405:201:E00B:3826:5586:F532:F060:A3B4]] ([[User talk:2405:201:E00B:3826:5586:F532:F060:A3B4|talk]]) 13:11, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
: Depends what kind of page, which page and why, dear IP. '''[[User:Usedtobecool|Usedtobecool]]'''&nbsp;[[User talk:Usedtobecool|☎️]] 13:20, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
::Stop trying to delete pages. [[The Battle of Bhima Koregaon (film)]] has "film" in the title so it's obviously about a film and not the actual [[Battle of Koregaon]] which is linked in the opening paragraph. You also blanked [[Help:Log]] for no reason. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 13:24, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Perhaps a hatnote directing lost readers wouldn't go amiss. -- [[User:DandelionAndBurdock|D'n'B]]-''[[User_talk:DandelionAndBurdock|t]]'' -- 14:52, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
::::That's contrary to hatnote guidelines: "Mention other topics and articles only if there is a reasonable possibility of a reader arriving at the article either by mistake or with another topic in mind." As PrimeHunter says, there's no way one would be at that page unless one intentionally chose the "film" page-name. It's not ambiguous and it's not reachable by mistake/typo. And if it's not what one wants by the time one reads the first setence, the second sentence indeed tells the reader exactly the link to follow. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 18:47, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

== Elmer W. Harris  ==

The page on Elmer W. Harris is completely false.  LINK:  [[Elmer W. Harris]] He is NOT a fighter Ace (has 3 victories needs 5) and almost all references are false and or re-written or completely not relevant.  The writer has a complete lack of understanding of a what a fighter ace is.  Out of respect for those REAL fighter aces this page needs to be removed ASAP.  I am the national gate keeper for all fighter aces victories and qualifications as exec. dir. of the American Fighter Aces Association.  Please help.  Regards.  Gregg [[User:Fighterace2|Fighterace2]] ([[User talk:Fighterace2|talk]]) 15:10, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

: {{Ping|Fighterace2}} Please discuss this at [[Talk:Elmer W. Harris]]. You will need to cite reliable sources to substantiate your claims; Wikipedia is concerned with what such sources have published, not individuals' personal knowledge. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 15:16, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
: Of wait, you did. Please don't raise issues in more than one venue; it wastes volunteers' time. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 15:21, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
::My bad.  I will learn. [[User:Fighterace2|Fighterace2]] ([[User talk:Fighterace2|talk]]) 15:25, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
::My problem is this article has false references with actual meaning twisted  or not relevant, hundreds to thousands of books do not include this man as an ace, official USAF victory credits is three victories and you need five according to Wiki definition and our organization (American Fighter Aces Association see link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Fighter_Aces_Association) who is the official U.S. gatekeeper, etc. etc.  Family members and friends of pilots do this fake all the time and its a little scary to me all this non factual stuff on many levels gets a page made? Anyway, lets get this removed.  How?  Thanks Gregg. [[User:Fighterace2|Fighterace2]] ([[User talk:Fighterace2|talk]]) 15:34, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
:::{{u|Fighterace2}}, the primary author of that article, [[User:WikiDon]], was indefinitely blocked 16 years ago for a variety of misconduct. That is another possible indication that the article may well have problems. As a preliminary step, I have tagged the claim of being an ace and the claim of eight kills of enemy aircraft as dubious. I lack expertise in the field but I suspect that the misunderstanding originated from crediting planes strafed and destroyed on the ground as counting toward ace status. The World War II section of our article [[Flying ace]] says {{tpq|Some U.S. commands also credited aircraft destroyed on the ground as equal to aerial victories}}. Is that accurate? Could this be the source of the controversy? As for processes for removing the article, please read [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy]]. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 18:19, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
::::{{u|Fighterace2}}, the article was created 19 years ago in August 2005 when Wikipedia's standards were much looser. I have checked with Google Books and was unable to find anything describing him as an ace. I did find a paragraph about him in the March 1954 issue of a magazine called ''The Air Reservist'' that says he shot down three planes in Korea and received the Silver Star and the Distinguished Flying Cross. In 1954, he was a commercial pilot for now defunct [[National Airlines (1934–1980)|National Airlines]]. This ace claim appears to be bad [[WP:OR|original research]] by an over eager Wikipedia editor 19 years ago. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 19:14, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::I have [[WP:PROD|proposed deletion]] of this article. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 19:41, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

== Deleting something ==

Hello. I am afraid I have made a mess trying to nominate [[RMA Gold Airways]] for deletion. I tried the manual way but it got very complicated then I tired XFD from Twinkle. Now there are two deletion pages (2nd and 3rd). Can someone please help? Thank you. [[User:Ansett|Ansett]] ([[User talk:Ansett|talk]]) 23:16, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
:I think I fixed it: removed (3rd) from the daily log, deleted that discussion page altogether, pointed the article itself to point to (2nd) for the discussion, and updated the pointers from the del-sorting pages. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 23:43, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

== need help adding photos to a Wikipedia page ==

Is there a way to get help adding photos to Tamara Murphy's page? She's a beloved Seattle chef who died Saturday. I did what I could to update her page. There are lots of published photos, including ones on today's Seattle Times article about her, but I don't know how to add photos. Terra Plata Facebook page also has lots of photos Are published photos ok to post w attribution line? [[User:EllenKuwana|EllenKuwana]] ([[User talk:EllenKuwana|talk]]) 03:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

PAGE IS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamara_Murphy

:[[User:EllenKuwana|EllenKuwana]], you ask the copyright holder of a photograph (normally the photographer), to upload the photograph to [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikimedia Commons], either (A) [[copyleft]]ing it according to one or other of the (very permissive) licenses that are acceptable to Commons or (B) waiving all rights to it and donating it to the public domain. (You may think "That's too much to ask. I'll get the photographer's OK for me to upload it and I'll say that I've done this when ''I'' upload it." No. That's not going to work.) Once a photograph is at Commons, it can easily be added to an article. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 07:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)