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== Article move ==

Hi, I am here after the person who closed the move did not perform any move but mentioned that the move was performed. [[Talk:P. Gannavaram Assembly Constituency#Requested move 26 August 2023|here]]. I have also approched the person on his talk page but there is no response yet [[User talk:BilledMammal#Article Move|here]]. What is the right approch to revert the move since the user that performed the move in the first place did not follow the consistency as discussed on the respective Wikiproject and the same was notified by another user to him. here for the actual move of the page:[[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=P._Gannavaram_Assembly_Constituency&diff=1170990523&oldid=1170990455|here]]&nbsp;[[User:456legend|<span style="color: blue">456legend</span>]]([[User talk:456legend|talk]]) 08:57, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

:Also this:[[User talk:Chinnusaikrish#Renaming of Gannavaram, Konaseema Assembly constituency|here]], where the original mover did not provide a reasonable justification for the move. [[User:456legend|<span style="color: blue">456legend</span>]]([[User talk:456legend|talk]]) 09:00, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
::Hi {{ul|456legend}}. Sometimes there is a technical issue which prevents a page being moved and some extra work is needed, or sometimes the person who closes later finds a reason that the move shouldn't be performed, although they should explain why in that situation. Or sometimes we just get distracted or make mistakes. I've asked BilledMammal to clarify, and if they still don't reply then I will perform the move myself later today.
::In the future, this should qualify as an uncontroversial technical request, and you can ask for someone to perform the move at [[WP:RM/TR]]. Thanks. [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] (<sup>[[User talk:Ivanvector|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ivanvector|Edits]]</sub>) 14:39, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] okay and thank you very much for the detailed insight. [[User:456legend|<span style="color: blue">456legend</span>]]([[User talk:456legend|talk]]) 17:54, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

== Stale time? ==

Hi, I am here after I have made a request on the administratior intervention against vandalism and my request was not addressed instead it was removed providing a reason as in [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1186348433|Here]] what does this mean?&nbsp;[[User:456legend|<span style="color: blue">456legend</span>]]([[User talk:456legend|talk]]) 18:06, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

:{{ping|456legend}} Reports that no administrators have acted on are automatically removed after several hours – since nobody responded to yours it was removed. AIV is for obvious vandals and spammers only, which from what I can see is not the case here – consider taking the matter to [[WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]]. [[User:Tollens|Tollens]] ([[User talk:Tollens|talk]]) 18:21, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
::okay sure thanks for this. [[User:456legend|<span style="color: blue">456legend</span>]]([[User talk:456legend|talk]]) 18:25, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

== Original Research or not? ==

I am currently working on my first article about a musical group (they do not have a wiki page). 

First of all, I was able to organize an informal interview with this group and gathered information about the group themselves. Given that this information is unpublished (note that I do have all the evidence and messages we sent to each other), I was wondering if this would come under original research, and if it did, is there any way to not break this rule without having to publish this? [[User:AGB.Music|AGB.Music]] ([[User talk:AGB.Music|talk]]) 08:49, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

:Wikipedia articles merely collate published information. Original research will not be accepted. Please read [[WP:YFA]] and [[WP:42]]. [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 09:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
::Would publishing this information online (with the evidence) allow me to use this? [[User:AGB.Music|AGB.Music]] ([[User talk:AGB.Music|talk]]) 09:14, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
:::No, because you posting it online somewhere would still be original research. If a third party conducts an interview and publishes it in a reputable magazine with editoral control and fact checking, that might be possible to use, but interviews do not contribute to notability(though they can be used for other purposes), because they are not an independent source about themselves.  
:::What is your connection to this group to be able to interview them? [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:21, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Indeed, what is this connection of yours that allows them to use for their publicity [[:c:SentinelTrioProfile.jpg|the photograph of them that you say is your own work]]? -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 09:25, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
::::I am not connecting in any means to them. I said "informal interview", I was simply able ask them questions personally. [[User:AGB.Music|AGB.Music]] ([[User talk:AGB.Music|talk]]) 10:13, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::So you just walked up to them and started asking them questions? [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:17, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::Over the internet through their verified social media [[User:AGB.Music|AGB.Music]] ([[User talk:AGB.Music|talk]]) 10:24, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:AGB.Music|AGB.Music]] Are you saying it is mere coincidence that your image [https://open.spotify.com/artist/2GPNLOJ6KU8G9VyrLsz1Sw is the same as one the group use on spotify]? Irrespective of that, you can't use unpublished information you obtained via the internet, as no-one can [[WP:V|verify]] what was said, a core Wikipedia policy. You must rely on [[WP:42|these sorts of sources]] and pass the threshold of [[WP:NMUSIC|wikinotability]]. General advice for your [[Draft:Sentinel (DJ)]] is [[H:YFA|here]] and [[WP:BACKWARD|here]]. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 12:42, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::::No it is not a mere coincidence, I have realized what I have done and feel pretty stupid (sorry I'm still learning). I'm going to rework the article so that it only contains information from published and citable sources. I actually don't have permission to use that picture, so I will be removing that too. Sorry for bothering you all, will make sure this won't happen again. [[User:AGB.Music|AGB.Music]] ([[User talk:AGB.Music|talk]]) 13:41, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:AGB.Music|AGB.Music]]: I have nominated [[:commons:File:SentinelTrioProfile.jpg]] for deletion for you. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 17:05, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:AGB.Music|AGB.Music]]: Welcome to the Teahouse!  In addition to the recommendations given above, please review Wikipedia's criteria for the inclusion of musical acts, called "notability", at [[WP:MUSICBIO]].  If the group doesn't meet any of the criteria detailed there, then the draft will not be accepted. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 17:03, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
:Hello, AGB Music. I'm afraid you are having what is a common experience for new editors who plunge into the challenging task of creating a new article before they have learnt much about how Wikipedia works. My advice is always to spend a few weeks or months learning this by making improvements to existing article, starting small and working up to the most important part which is finding and citing [[WP:42|sources]], before trying to create an article. I liken it to buying a violin and going out busking on the street the next day - you are not likely to have an enjoyable time. (I realise that you have been here a few months, but you had only made half a dozen edits before you created [[Draft:Sentinel (DJ)]], so I stand by that advice). 
:Please understand that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in [[WP:reliable sources|reliable sources]]. Almost nothing that comes from the group (whether from their own website, or from interviews or press releases) is relevant to an article about them. And no unpublished information from any source can be used in any Wikipedia article. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 19:03, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

== Trying to create a business page for a company please help or get me started ==

I’m. Trying to create a page for a company that I see referenced a few times. It’s like the standard company pages you see for any company like meta, Eaton or the nBa. I’m really new to this but found lots of sources and content. Could someone help build this? It’s a big miss this page doesn’t exist for nVent Electric plc. I saw them at a super computing trade show last week and just discovered them 

someone please help take this on and get a draft started for me. This is hard for someone new [[User:ElecAp2018|ElecAp2018]] ([[User talk:ElecAp2018|talk]]) 12:53, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
:{{u|ElecAp2018}} First, Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, but not author or co-author. Second, I see you have created a very short draft at [[Draft:NVent Electric plc]], submitted it and had it declined. The refs are insufficient to determine if the company is Wikipedia notable. See [[WP:NCORP]] for guide for articles about companies, and [[WP:42]] for what constitues good references. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 13:32, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:ElecAp2018|ElecAp2018]]: Welcome to the Teahouse!  If you're not interested in creating the draft, you can ask in the appropriate section of [[Wikipedia:Requested articles]], but there's no guarantee that any of the volunteer editors will be interested in creating it. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 16:56, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
:Hello, ElecAp2018. and welcome to  the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. Yes, it is indeed hard for someone new, which is why I always advise new editors to spend a few months making improvements to existing articles and learning how Wikipedia works before they even try it. 
:When you have acquired an understanding of [[WP:referencing|referencing]] [[WP:notability|notability]], and [[WP:42|acceptable sources]], you can read [[WP:YFA]] and go ahead and try it. 
:I must ask: do you have a connection with the company? When a new editor immediately starts creating an article, and works on nothing else, this is often the case. If you have a connection, you should read about editing with a [[WP:conflict of interest|conflict of interest]]. Further, if you are in anyway employed or paid by the company (even if working on this article is not part of your job), then you must read about [[WP:paid editing|paid editing]] and make the mandatory [[WP:paid editing disclosure|paid editing disclosure]]. 
:Note that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in [[WP:reliable sources|reliable sources]].. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 19:14, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

== Rename page: Spark arrestor -> Spark arrester ==

The most common name for the device described at [[Spark arrestor]] is "Spark arrester"

The article has all the correct usage, but the title is incorrect The page cannot be renamed since an incorrect rename is already in place.

How do I request someone with page renamer rights to fix this?

(And also answer the 2011 request in [[Talk:spark arrestor]] to fix it).&nbsp;[[User:Remaker|Remaker]] ([[User talk:Remaker|talk]]) 23:09, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

:According to whom? I get 3.1M ghits for the first, 1.3M ghits for the second. [[Wikipedia:Requested moves]] would be the place, were there a move worth doing. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 23:16, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
::The [[Merriam-Webster Dictionary]] only recognizes ''Spark arrster''. [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spark%20arrester]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/spark%20arrester. it is also the preferred spelling in government documents like [https://www.fs.usda.gov/t-d/pubs/html/03511307/03511307.htm]https://www.fs.usda.gov/t-d/pubs/html/03511307/03511307.htm and [https://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/12/title12sec9601.html]https://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/12/title12sec9601.html [[User:Remaker|Remaker]] ([[User talk:Remaker|talk]]) 20:25, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
:Also you might want to take a look at [[WP:LOWERCASE|this section]] of the [[WP:NC|naming conventions]]; titles should use sentence case (not capitalized unless first letter or capitalized in regular text). ~~[[User:2NumForIce on The Go|<span style="background:#007eb3;color:#ffffff;">2NumForIce</span>]] [[User talk:2NumForIce on The Go|<sub>on The Go</sub>]] 23:23, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
::<small>forgot to ping: @[[User:Remaker|Remaker]]</small> ~~[[User:2NumForIce on The Go|<span style="background:#007eb3;color:#ffffff;">2NumForIce</span>]] [[User talk:2NumForIce on The Go|<sub>on The Go</sub>]] 23:23, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks for the tip @[[User:2NumForIce on The Go|2NumForIce on The Go]] [[User:Remaker|Remaker]] ([[User talk:Remaker|talk]]) 20:25, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

== just create page ==

hi [[User:AJIT30071990|AJIT30071990]] ([[User talk:AJIT30071990|talk]]) 18:54, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:AJIT30071990|AJIT30071990]]: Welcome to the Teahouse!  Are you referring to your [[Draft:Ajit kumar singh]]?  Based on your user name, I'm presuming you are writing about yourself, which is highly discouraged on Wikipedia (see [[WP:AUTO]]).  Wikipedia articles are based on multiple [[WP:IS|independent]] [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] that have provided [[WP:SIGCOV|significant coverage]] of the subject, which must meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "[[WP:N|notability]]".  There are many other ways you can contribute to Wikipedia besides creating an article.  Visit [[Help:Introduction]] to learn how to edit, and then the [[Wikipedia:Task center]] to find where you can help.  Happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 19:44, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

The draft Ajit has very little content - one sentence - and no references. It has been Rejected. You also submitted [[Draft:ScopeMaster]], which was created by someone else. Do not do that, as it is very impolite. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 20:27, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

== DYK Nomination ==

So I've promoted ''[[Only Up!]]'' to GA status, and I've nominated it for the DYK section on the Main Page. I tried adding it to the prep area, but my edit was undone because [[Template:Did you know nominations/Only Up!|the nomination]] needed to be closed. I'm not sure if you can close it yourself or if you need somebody else to do so. Thanks, [[User:TrademarkedTarantula|<span style="color: green">Tarantula</span><span style="color: black"><sup>TM</sup></span>]] ([[User talk:TrademarkedTarantula|speak with me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/TrademarkedTarantula|my legacy]]) 15:16, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

:I believe the idea is that someone other than you will close the nom and add it to the prep area. [[User:Sohom Datta|Sohom]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|talk]]) 20:47, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

== Does Wikipedia updates alert and notification status in a web browser while the browser is idle with a Wikipedia page open? ==

I use Firefox for Windows and I have alerts and notifications configured. Still, Wikipedia only shows me alert and notification updates when I refresh a page or open a new page or do some action that updates a page, such as navigation or editing. While a wikipedia page is just open and the browser is running idle, no new alerts appear (until I refresh a page). I expected it to periodically check notifications such as via a javascript. Does Wikipedia update alert and notification status in a web browser while the browser is idle with a Wikipedia page open? Please share your experience. I read the documentation about alerts and notifications and didn't receive a reply to this question.&nbsp;[[User:Maxim Masiutin|Maxim Masiutin]] ([[User talk:Maxim Masiutin|talk]]) 06:27, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

:From my experience, on chrome/ windows, I don't think it updates automatically unless we refresh the page. I do receive an email for alerts and notification though. Only the recent changes tab has the live updates option as far as I know. Cheers <3 [[User:Jeraxmoira|Jeraxmoira]] ([[User talk:Jeraxmoira|talk]]) 06:34, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
::The '''Your alerts''' and '''Your notices''' button located on the top right, after your username, does refresh when you click on it. I checked it now when [[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] replied here. This means that you don't have to refresh the page but just click on those buttons to get the alerts and notifications updated! [[User:Jeraxmoira|Jeraxmoira]] ([[User talk:Jeraxmoira|talk]]) 07:30, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Maxim Masiutin|Maxim Masiutin]]: {{welcometea}} As far as I can tell, there's no option to perform live updates for alerts and notifications, and I personally don't see a need for a tab on Wikipedia to hog more memory than it needs to. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 07:21, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Maxim Masiutin|Maxim Masiutin]] Alerts and notifications don't automatically update on a tab but [[Special:watchlist]] can be configured to give live updates, with the message "View new changes since [timestamp]". I think that this behaviour is the default for the watchlist. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 13:40, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
:::I found a plugin for Firefox that refreshes a page with indicated frequency, so now I can see a notification after page refresh by the plugin. [[User:Maxim Masiutin|Maxim Masiutin]] ([[User talk:Maxim Masiutin|talk]]) 22:22, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

== New User ==

Hello, I created this account and the screen that appeared told me that I could ask any questions here. What are some rules and tips for new users editing Wikipedia? [[User:84Swagahh|84Swagahh]] ([[User talk:84Swagahh|talk]]) 02:11, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
:Hello and welcome to Wikipedia, @[[User:84Swagahh|84Swagahh]]. I would start with [[Help:Introduction]] and [[Wikipedia:TWA|The Wikipedia Adventure]]. These will help explain our core policies and how to use parts of the software. If you feel up to the task, you can find out how to make an article at [[WP:YFA|Your first article]] Happy editing, <span style="border: 1px solid #0000FF ;color:#0000FF; padding:0px 7px;border-radius:10px"><b>[[User:NightWolf1223|NW1223]]&lt;[[User talk:NightWolf1223|Howl at me]]&bull;[[Special:Contributions/NightWolf1223|My hunts]]&gt;</b></span> 02:18, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
::New editors are advised to put in weeks to months improving existing articles before attempting to create new articles. See [[WP:42]] for how to properly reference content. Adding content without references or removing referenced content you believe to be not true will be reverted (reversed) by other editors. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 07:01, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Advised, but they don't ''have'' to. My first edits were writing draft articles. [[User:Edward-Woodrow|Edward-Woodrow]] ([[User talk:Edward-Woodrow|talk]]) 23:38, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
:Hello, 84Swagahh, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. 
:I agree with what the others have said, except for one thing: {{U|David notMD}}'s advice seems to start from the idea that what everybody who edits Wikipedia wants do is create new articles. Maybe you will (in which case take David's advice to heart), maybe you won't. But please don't think that that is the only, or even necessarily the best, way to improve Wikipedia. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 14:25, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
::I think David notMD was responding to @[[User:NightWolf1223|NightWolf1223]]'s advice, not to the original poster. We really shouldn't be recommending to anyone with 3 edits that "If you feel up to the task, you can find out how to make an article at Your first article." [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 10:55, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

== General advice ==

Hi teahouse!,

I recently created an article and it was accepted, I was wondering if you could go over it and tell me how to improve it. 

[[1970 Berrechid, Morocco crash]]

Thanks! [[User:Geardona|Geardona]] ([[User talk:Geardona|talk]]) 15:19, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

:I would encourage you to give it a review looking specifically for missing or duplicated punctuation. The page should likely be moved to [[1970 Berrechid, Morocco, crash]] with the extra [[MOS:GEOCOMMA]], and that phrase fixed in a few other places. [[User:Firefangledfeathers|Firefangledfeathers]] ([[User talk:Firefangledfeathers|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers|contribs]]) 15:21, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks!  [[User:Geardona|Geardona]] ([[User talk:Geardona|talk]]) 15:22, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Geardona|Geardona]] Wouldn't [[Berrechid crash]] be simpler and in line with guidance at [[WP:AT]]? [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 15:31, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
::::Most likely, although the current name was implemented by the AFC reviewer so I am not going to overrule them. I might look for consensus to move it to that.  [[User:Geardona|Geardona]] ([[User talk:Geardona|talk]]) 15:42, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Geardona|Geardona]]: Welcome to the Teahouse, and congratulations on your article being accepted!  I tweaked the punctuation and a reference, and added some categories.  The article has a {{tl|orphan}} template at the top, which you can resolve by adding links from other articles to [[1970 Berrechid, Morocco crash]].  I see there's a link from [[Sud Aviation Caravelle#Incidents and accidents]] to your article, which is a good start.  You might want to consider adding information and links from [[Berrechid]] and [[1970 in aviation#April]].  Happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 16:41, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
{{outdent}}I moved it to [[1970 Berrechid crash]]. [[User:DragonflySixtyseven|DS]] ([[User talk:DragonflySixtyseven|talk]]) 17:55, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

:Thanks! [[User:Geardona|Geardona]] ([[User talk:Geardona|talk]]) 00:50, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

== Infobox ==

Hello, I have been trying to remove alternative dance from the infobox for [[Mysterious Ways (song)|Mysterious Ways]] but it messes up the infobox. Can someone explain what I am doing wrong? [[Special:Contributions/2601:806:8200:ECF0:5E3:3020:D0F2:5A01|2601:806:8200:ECF0:5E3:3020:D0F2:5A01]] ([[User talk:2601:806:8200:ECF0:5E3:3020:D0F2:5A01|talk]]) 02:33, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

:The reason for removing alternative dance from the infobox is because Allmusic does not mention alternative dance. [[Special:Contributions/2601:806:8200:ECF0:5E3:3020:D0F2:5A01|2601:806:8200:ECF0:5E3:3020:D0F2:5A01]] ([[User talk:2601:806:8200:ECF0:5E3:3020:D0F2:5A01|talk]]) 02:34, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

::You removed the closing of the genre template, which broke the infobox template ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mysterious_Ways_%28song%29&diff=1186428279&oldid=1186427608 diff]). This was all that needed to be removed ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mysterious_Ways_(song)&diff=next&oldid=1186428335 diff]). --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 02:39, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:::{{done}}. Your edits were removing the reference as well at the closing curly brackets that are necessary for that template to work correctly. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 02:42, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:You really should get consensus for this on the article talk page before you do an edit like that, though. [[User:Bimplescub|Bimplescub]] ([[User talk:Bimplescub|talk]]) 02:47, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::{{u|Bimplescub}}, I am sorry, but that is nonsense. The cited source does not verify the "alternative dance" genre. The onus is now on ''you'' to provide a reference to a reliable source verifying that genre. Please either provide the reference,  or self-revert.  [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 03:05, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, Bimplescub has been blocked, and so will not be doing either of those things. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 03:11, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

== Business Class and First Class articles ==

Currently, there's a [[First class travel]] and a [[First class (aviation)]] article. On the other hand, there's a [[Business class]] article. I'm wondering if it might be worth splitting the business class article into ''Business class'' and ''Business class (aviation)'' as well or if it would be better to merge the first class articles together or even just keep it as it is. I've asked WikiProject Airlines already. [[User:Sgubaldo|Sgubaldo]] ([[User talk:Sgubaldo|talk]]) 17:35, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

:You raise a good point. I think you should split them. [[User:Bimplescub|Bimplescub]] ([[User talk:Bimplescub|talk]]) 02:17, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::Bimplescub has been blocked for disruptive editing. I can't see a good reason to split Business Class, nor to join the two First class articles, fwiw. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 04:00, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

== .epub download on Wikisource rarely works ==

Four times this month I tried to download an .epub of a book from Wikisource, using the link https://wsexport.wmflabs.org/tool/book.php?lang=pl&format=epub&page= (and book name here; today it was "Moskal"). It worked only once out of four, with most times the connection to the server being lost and this particular service seems to be down almost all of the time ("Wikimedia Cloud Services Error. This web service cannot be reached. Please contact a maintainer of this project"). This is the only service across all of the Wikipedia projects that I encounter constant problems with. Can anything be done about it? Thanks in advance! [[User:Amused|Amused]] ([[User talk:Amused|talk]]) 17:31, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

:Hello, Amused. It may be that something can be done about, but appealing to editors (not maintainers) of Wikipedia (which is a separate project from Wikisource) is unlikely to be fruitful. I suggest you ask at [[:s:WS:H]], and somebody there will redirect you as appropriate. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 19:19, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks for the link! I think it's might be a problem with Wikimedia servers in general, but I'll ask there. Cheers! [[User:Amused|Amused]] ([[User talk:Amused|talk]]) 19:42, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Samwilson|Samwilson]] Maybe you could take a look at this (don't know how this ended up on the English Wikipedia teahouse :). @[[User:Amused|Amused]] Sam would be the person to ask such a question since he works on wsexport in Wikisource. Alternatively, feel free to use [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/43/?tags=Wsexport this form] to file a [[WP:PHAB|phabricator ticket]] regarding the issue. :) [[User:Sohom Datta|Sohom]] ([[User talk:Sohom Datta|talk]]) 19:54, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
::::{{re|Sohom Datta|Amused}} I've replied on the Scriptorium thread. Basically, I blame Calibre! :-P [[User:Samwilson|Sam]] [[User_talk:Samwilson|Wilson]] 06:57, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

== Photo of special album packaging considered copyrighted? ==

I was reading the page for Tool's [[10,000 Days (Tool album)|10,000 days]] album and I feel a photo should be added to showcase the packaging design. Would a photo of the packaging unfolded be considered copyrighted since it features the album art or is it fine to add? [[User:Powder9157|Powder9157]] ([[User talk:Powder9157|talk]]) 04:52, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Powder9157|Powder9157]]: Welcome to the Teahouse!  If you're using someone else's photograph, you may be infringing on the photographer's copyright.  If you're taking a photo with your own camera and uploading it, that would be fine.  Happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 05:01, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::I have to disagree here. No matter who takes the photo, a key concern is the protected nature of the packaging/album-art itself. You would have to make a case that actually ''seeing'' it substantially increases readers' understanding. See [[Wikipedia:Non-free content]] for the policy and restrictions on use of images of non-public-domain items. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 05:38, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Powder9157|Powder9157]], @[[User:DMacks|DMacks]]: For an example of an album article showing inside art, see [[Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band#Back cover, gatefold and cut-outs]], in which the photo is sourced to the record company. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 07:18, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

== New Article For Creation ==

Hey! I Research and collected information and create new article can you publish it on Wikipedia? [[User:Bhushyaxf|Bhushyaxf]] ([[User talk:Bhushyaxf|talk]]) 08:11, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

:Hi [[User:Bhushyaxf|Bhushyaxf]]! We'll need some more information in order to help effectively, but I'd suggest you have a look at the guideline on [[WP:N|reference requirements before an article can be published]]. You might also be interested in [[Help:Your first article]]. We might be able to provide more specific advice if you tell us more – what is the article about? What sources did you find? Are you personally connected to the topic (a company you work for or an article about a family member, for example)? [[User:Tollens|Tollens]] ([[User talk:Tollens|talk]]) 08:28, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

== English or Albanian title ==

I am planning on writing an article about an Albanian film with an Albanian title.

In the article name, should I use the Albanian name or its English name (English translation of the name if it doesn’t have an English name of its own)?

In addition, when you’re mentioning such film in another article, should it be mentioned in the og or english title?

Looking forward for answers. ''<span style="color:#004aad;">grafi</span><span style="color:#FF0000">'''X'''</span><span style="color:#004aad">al</span> <sup>[[User talk:GrafiXal|Talk]]</sup>'' 18:49, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:GrafiXal|GrafiXal]]: {{welcometea}} If there is an English title that the film is known by that is used by [[WP:RS|reliable sources]], then yes, that is preferred; otherwise the original Albanian title is used. That applies to any mention of it in other articles. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 19:47, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
:{{ec}} @[[User:GrafiXal|GrafiXal]]: Welcome to the Teahouse!  [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (films)#Foreign-language films]] has some examples to help you.  Happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 19:47, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Tenryuu|Tenryuu]] @[[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] Thanks for the answers! ^^ ''<span style="color:#004aad;">grafi</span><span style="color:#FF0000">'''X'''</span><span style="color:#004aad">al</span> <sup>[[User talk:GrafiXal|Talk]]</sup>'' 10:19, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

== How to disclose a COI ==

Hello. I'm new here. I have a problem tham my article was rejected for lack of published articles and conflict of interest. Im writing about a automobile museum (i work there and we want to be on a Wikipedia "map"). And now i need to somehow disclose a COI. Could you help me how to do it?  [[User:Auto Muziejus|Auto Muziejus]] ([[User talk:Auto Muziejus|talk]]) 10:20, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

:{{u|Auto Muziejus}} Hello and welcome.  You will need to make the [[WP:PAID|paid editing disclosure]] as a museum employee, I will post instructions on your user talk page.
:Note that Wikipedia is not interested in search engine results(I think you mean a Google map?). [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:22, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::about map - it was metaphorically :)  [[User:Auto Muziejus|Auto Muziejus]] ([[User talk:Auto Muziejus|talk]]) 10:35, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Nonetheless "we want to be on a Wikipedia "map" means "we want to use Wikipedia for [[WP:NOTPROMO|promotion]]", and that is not permitted. If your museum meets Wikipedia's criteria for [[WP:notability|notability]], then there can be an article about it. The article will not belong to or be controlled by your museum, and should be based on what the indepedent sources say about the museum, not on what the museum says or wants to say. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 10:54, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::::I 100% agree with you. sorry for my miscommunication. "should be based on what the indepedent sources say about the museum" - in english wikipedia, those sources need to be in english? I'm asking that, because we are small country, and there are not so many english written sources. Sorry for my questions, just want to make it right.  [[User:TomasTheBeard|TomasTheBeard]] ([[User talk:TomasTheBeard|talk]]) 11:12, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::No, sources do not need to be in English. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 11:18, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy: draft is at [[Draft:Automuseum Vilnius]]. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 10:57, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

== Felix Leong ==

[[Draft:Felix Leong]]

I am needing someone to confirm the sources in Spanish [[Special:Contributions/161.43.67.202|161.43.67.202]] ([[User talk:161.43.67.202|talk]]) 00:19, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

:Hello IP and welcome to Wikipedia! I’m glad you have began contributing to a draft. Non-English sources are used often on Wikipedia, although English sources are naturally preferred for our readers to reference. If you need assistance with confirming the reliablity or contents of Spanish sources, I’d direct your attention to our list of translators [[Wikipedia:Translators available#Spanish-to-English|here]]. Good luck with your draft: Our team that reviews them has a very low backlog currently, so you are likely to receive quick feedback. Thanks, good luck, and happy editing! - 🔥[[User:Illusion Flame|𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆]] [[User talk:Illusion Flame|(𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)]]🔥 00:44, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
::It will be a pity if Grandmaster Felix is only put into Wikipedia after he dies [[Special:Contributions/161.43.67.202|161.43.67.202]] ([[User talk:161.43.67.202|talk]]) 21:51, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Draft has been deleted, block evasion of USer:Australianblackbelt. [[User:Canterbury Tail|<b style="color: Blue;">Canterbury Tail</b>]] [[User talk:Canterbury Tail|<i style="color: Blue;">talk</i>]] 12:32, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

== banking of guerd india Help as to help you Can someone add an Imagine  ==

banking of guerd india Help as to help you Can someone add an Imagine [[Special:Contributions/43.251.179.191|43.251.179.191]] ([[User talk:43.251.179.191|talk]]) 12:21, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

:Your question is unclear. Are you looking for [[Help:Images]]? [[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 12:36, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

== Updating text about a company - References help ==

I have a text for wiki written by the author of a book about the same company. The book has plenty of references.

But as this text is actually just a super short version of the book, how can it be referenced? Is a reference to the book (which will be free, by the way) enough?
It it a re-write of the history of an already existing page here [[Iver C. Weilbach & Co.]] which only includes the old book reference. But when i try to update the text and some new images, it gets rejected due to lack of references. [[User:Lund95|Lund95]] ([[User talk:Lund95|talk]]) 08:22, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

:Hello, Lund95. Every piece of information in a Wikipedia article must be verifiable from a published source, and while the rules don't insist that the source must be cited, editors are more and more insisting on that when new information is added. 
:If the book has not yet been published, then it may not be cited, and information from it may not be included (unless the information has previously been [[WP:RS|reliably published]], of course).
:Once the book has been published ''by a reputable publisher'', then it may be cited. If it is published in other ways (eg [[WP:SELFPUBLISHED|self-published]], or by a [[vanity press]]), then it cannot be cited as a source. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 10:51, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you for your suggestions. I have now tried to make the additions to my draft of the page content. Hope it will get approved now. [[User:Lund95|Lund95]] ([[User talk:Lund95|talk]]) 13:35, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

== Ages ==
Ages........why assume we all like number crunching.......try giving some celebs ages instead of leaving us to figure it out from the born/died info...arithmetic is not many peoples cup of tea...................Cheers........ 

as above [[User:Jim6677|Jim6677]] ([[User talk:Jim6677|talk]]) 10:07, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:{{u|Jim6677}} Hello and welcome.  I've placed your comment outside the section header- edits should be placed in the larger edit window, not the smaller section header window.  
:Is there a specific article you are referencing that prompted this question?  Ages are typically given in the infobox. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:11, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::{{tl|Birth, death and age templates}} will almost certainly be of interest to you. <span class="nowrap">[[User:Verbarson|--&nbsp;Verbarson&nbsp;]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Verbarson|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Verbarson|edits]]</sub></span> 14:19, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

== Unreliable Wikipedia Page ==

i have found a wikipedia article that i assumed was filled with inaccuracies and blantantly purposeful misinformation, the problem lies with the lack of fact checking for the article (not much was interested in this topic) but i did and i found it's not even the description of the topic but another different topic but the description was used for this article falsely, makes me questioned the credibility of the other presented descriptions. any advice? [[User:Merzostin|Merzostin]] ([[User talk:Merzostin|talk]]) 13:37, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

:It would help to know which article you are referring to. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 14:02, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::I am guessing this is about [[Djong (ship)]], where you removed a large block of text, and have concerns about other parts of the article. Wikipedia recommends editors be Bold in their edits, but if Reverted, start a Discussion on the Talk page of the article. You have been Bold. At this point you can continue to examine other parts of the article, or wait to see if other editors dispute what you have done already. Or go on to other articles that interest you. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 14:04, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:::You could also start a conversation with [[User:Verosaurus]], who created the article in 2018 and has been an active contributor as recently as October. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 14:20, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::::thank you so much! i do have interest but i don't think i'm capable to look into every reference and compared it with others! [[User:Merzostin|Merzostin]] ([[User talk:Merzostin|talk]]) 16:40, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::thank you for the reply, it was in this convo [[User:Merzostin|Merzostin]] ([[User talk:Merzostin|talk]]) 16:40, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

== Draft ==

Hey, I have created a draft [[Draft:Swami Avdheshanand Giri|Swami Avdheshanand Giri Ji Maharaj]] who is a great Hindu spiritual guru, monk. I have also cited it correctly with all typo correction and good english. Can you guys help me by telling me what can I do better in this article? How to make this article best and tell me all problems please! [[User:TheProEditor11|TheProEditor11]] ([[User talk:TheProEditor11|talk]]) 15:41, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

:Hello and welcome. The best way to get feedback is to submit it for a review, the reviewer will inform you of any problems. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:43, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:331dot|331dot]] But the article will get declined if any problems persists there in it! So I want to solve all problems before submission as I have worked hard to find citations and create this article!!!! Thanks....
::Also, I am very thankful to @[[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Michael D. Turnbull]] to tell me all problems and fix it for me.... If you see any more problem, kindly let me know! [[User:TheProEditor11|TheProEditor11]] ([[User talk:TheProEditor11|talk]]) 16:10, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:::"Declined" is not final, it allows for resubmission. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 16:24, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:::"Rejected" would be final, but I highly doubt it would be outright rejected. You have nothing to fear from submitting it, and it is the best way to get feedback. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 16:26, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::::Okay! I will submit it..... But can you please look into the article and tell me the negative things in the article?! It will take only few moments for you... [[User:TheProEditor11|TheProEditor11]] ([[User talk:TheProEditor11|talk]]) 16:28, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:TheProEditor11|TheProEditor11]] You can fix a few things before or after you submit the draft. The person's full name is very long and I don't know how exactly [[MOS:SURNAME]] should be complied with but you should read that guidance. You have a few citation errors which I'll fix in a moment. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 15:47, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::So sweet of you for taking time to fix it! Actually, thankyou for reminding [[MOS:SURNAME]]. Actually the name is - Swami Avdheshanand Giri and Ji Maharaj is respect given to monks and some religious people in Hinduism. So, it means that I have to not write Ji Maharaj. Am I right? [[User:TheProEditor11|TheProEditor11]] ([[User talk:TheProEditor11|talk]]) 16:01, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:::@[[User:TheProEditor11|TheProEditor11]] Yes, we leave out honorifics, as the MOS says. I assume that Giri is his surname and is what should mainly be used when referring to him in later uses of his name in the biography. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 16:34, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::::Yes! you are right but since he is a godly figure for millions, I used full name or just Swami Ji instead of Giri which looks kinda disrespectful! [[User:TheProEditor11|TheProEditor11]] ([[User talk:TheProEditor11|talk]]) 16:38, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::::.... on Wikidata [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q87564495 here] he is just Avdheshanand Giri, so that is perhaps what you need to use (I'm no expert in these naming conventions!). It is not a matter of disrespect: you could look in the Teahouse archive for the number of times people have complained that we refer to [[Muhammad]] in the way we do. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 16:50, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

== Old Links? ==

Hi! On the [[Lushootseed]] article, I've noticed that there's a citation link that leads to a page that doesn't exist anymore. I don't know enough about the topic to find a suitable replacement, but I don't want to leave a citation that isn't...actually citing anything. What should I do? (It's the first reference; "Brown, Drew" etc). [[User:Toastedpencils|Toastedpencils]] ([[User talk:Toastedpencils|talk]]) 15:43, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

:You should either remove the citation link or use Dead Link template. Thanks, [[User:TheProEditor11|TheProEditor11]] ([[User talk:TheProEditor11|talk]]) 16:13, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Toastedpencils|Toastedpencils]] See [[WP:LINKROT]]. Don't remove citations just because they no longer link correctly. See the link for alternative suggestions: there are also bots which go around fixing such problems. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 17:28, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

== Page for Singer Songwriter FRANC O'CHER ==

Hello,
I have read that is illegal to pay an entreprise to write an article on wikipedia and I can't do it myself.
is there anyway I can have a Wiki page about my  singer-songwrite career. As I already have over 25 articles from blog an magazine ?

Here is some related info:
https://www.francocher.com
https://www.youtube.com/@francochermusic
https://www.instagram.com/francochermusic
https://www.tiktok.com/@francochermusic
https://www.twitter.com/francochermusic
https://www.facebook.com/francochermusic



Thank you for your help
Francois Durocher (Franc O'cher) [[User:Durochef|Durochef]] ([[User talk:Durochef|talk]]) 15:56, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

:Hello, Durochef, and welcome to the Teahouse. It is not "illegal" to pay somebody to write an article about you, but it is very very unwise, because:
:# Many of the people and organisations offering that service are [[WP:SCAM|scammers]]. 
:# If you find an honest one, they will tell you that they cannot guarantee that an article about you will be accepted, or that it will say what you want it to say. 
:# They ''must'' make a formal declaration of their status as a [[WP:paid editor|paid editor]], including who is paying them.
:# They can expect their work to be scrutinised carefully for [[WP:RS|reliability]] and [[WP:IS|independence]] of the sources they use, and for [[WP:NPOV|neutrality]] of the text
:# An article about you must be based almost entirely on such [[WP:42|independent, reliably published]] sources about you: what you or your associates say or want to say about yourself is almost irrelevant. If sufficient sources of that nature do not exist, then there cannot be an article about you. Period. 
:# If such an article is accepted, it will not belong to you, it will not be controlled by you, it will not necessarily say what you want it to say, and it may not be used for [[WP:NOTPROMO|promotion]], widely construed. Your involvement in it (and the involvement of your agent, if you employ one) will be limited to making [[WP:edit request|edit request]]s. 
:# External links from Wikipedia articles are all tagged "nofollow", so do not contribute to SEO. 
:Basically, if you are even considering paying somebody to write an article about you, you are almost certainly under the misapprehension that Wikipedia can be used for promotion, and that an article about you is for your benefit. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 17:38, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you for these information. I really appreciate.
::My goal wasn't really to be use as promotion but more as a validation. On how google would display my information when the search for "Franc O'cher" is made.
::Guess I will have to wait for a kind soul to create it ! :)
::Thank you for your help.
::Have a great day.
::Franc [[User:Durochef|Durochef]] ([[User talk:Durochef|talk]]) 18:30, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Yes, your goal was to improve your presence on Google. How is that not promotion? [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 19:40, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

== Error ==

Hi. Why does the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Doctor_Who_episodes_(1963%E2%80%931989) |list of DW episodes page]] have a giant cite error on it? (visible in the series overview) I reverted another page to fix the error then went on there and saw that, I'm assuming it's not a mistake just with this page considering it wasn't like that recently and yet on the page edit history, it shows up a lot now. Someone should fix it anyway I think but I don't know how. [[User:ButterCashier|ButterCashier]] ([[User talk:ButterCashier|talk]]) 19:56, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:Because the listed defined references are defined but not used. [[User:Ruslik0|Ruslik]]_[[User Talk:Ruslik0|<span style="color:red">Zero</span>]] 20:18, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

== Draft:Vico, and Vicoletto, of the Zuroli ==

An administrator rejected this draft in progress for the first time: <nowiki>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Vico,_and_Vicoletto,_of_the_Zuroli</nowiki>, I kindly ask for your honest opinion as I am currently improving it according to Wikipedia conventions , citing all the historical and archival sources relating to the Italian toponym. Thanks in advance for listening. [[User:GiovAngri|GiovAngri]] ([[User talk:GiovAngri|talk]]) 15:15, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:[[Draft:Vico, and Vicoletto, of the Zuroli]] --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 15:20, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:[[User:GiovAngri|GiovAngri]] the declining reviewer was [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=rights&user=&page=User%3AVanderwaalforces&wpdate=&tagfilter=&subtype=&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist not an] [[WP:ADMIN|admin]]. My opinion is that you should address the issues that the reviewer raised, including fixing so-called [[WP:CITEBOMB|'citebombs']]. [[User:Sungodtemple|Sungodtemple]] ([[User talk:Sungodtemple|talk]] &#8226; [[Special:Contributions/Sungodtemple|contribs]]) 15:34, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::Um, I understand then I have to see what the Wikipedia rules say regarding <nowiki>''citeboombs''</nowiki>, thanks anyway. [[User:GiovAngri|GiovAngri]] ([[User talk:GiovAngri|talk]]) 16:29, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:It's not clear to me what the article is about. My best guess is that the "Vico del Zuroli" is a building and the "Vicolo del Zuroli" is another building; but I'm  probably wrong. The section "Stories linked to the place" has three unsourced paragraphs, then a paragraph which cites four sources, all together at the end. References should be placed immediately after the statements which they support. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 20:23, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

== Regarding deleted drafts ==

I had submitted an article for review 6 months back and it was rejected. Since, I was disappointed I didnt edit it further for 6 months and now found out it has been deleted. I have requested for  the undeletion of that draft. Please let me know how much time does it take in undeletion after the request has been sent. 

Thanks. [[User:Aish interested in healthcare|Aish interested in healthcare]] ([[User talk:Aish interested in healthcare|talk]]) 09:31, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

:Hello.  There isn't a specific time frame. As this is a volunteer project, it will be done when a volunteer gets around to it. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:37, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::okay, Thanks. [[User:Aish interested in healthcare|Aish interested in healthcare]] ([[User talk:Aish interested in healthcare|talk]]) 09:47, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:::[[Draft:Basant Garg]] was restored by [[User:Jay]]. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 20:42, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

== Can someone add an image for my first wiki page ==

I was hoping someone could add an image of Erik Hansen to my page on him. There is an image of him in the wiki commons under "Erik Hansen Pro day". I am wanting to create a grid with all his information under the image. If someone could help add that on, it would be greatly appreciated!  [[User:Footballfan145|Footballfan145]] ([[User talk:Footballfan145|talk]]) 22:28, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

:{{ping|Footballfan145}} Bit of a mystery what's going on with the image. If you took the photo, you do not need to be mailing VRTS, you can just slap whatever licence you choose on it (such as [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-4.0 Cc-by-sa-4.0]). If you did not take the photo, then whatever email you're sent to VRTS is not enough. See https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Erik_Hansen_pro_day.jpg --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 22:49, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
::I took the image  [[User:Footballfan145|Footballfan145]] ([[User talk:Footballfan145|talk]]) 23:00, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Footballfan145}} Do you know how you want to licence it? Public domain? Creative Commons? --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 23:10, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
::::And this is a cropped version of the image? https://twitter.com/draftdiamonds/status/1506382999939690505 --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 00:56, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::I tagged it on Commons as copyvio before it was undeleted.
:::::If you took the photo but published it (i.e. posted on social media) before uploading to Commons, you do need to provide evidence of ownership to VRT. 
:::::It would probably help to provide the high-res original with the camera EXIF data intact '''Adeletron 3030''' ([[User talk:Adeletron 3030|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Adeletron_3030|edits]]) 01:51, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::It'll be interesting to know the story here, but the commons image cannot be a copyvio of the (smaller, cropped) twitter image. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 02:12, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] Fair point, I didn’t think to check the image dimensions. I should’ve asked the uploader first. '''Adeletron 3030''' ([[User talk:Adeletron 3030|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Adeletron_3030|edits]]) 02:34, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:<s>One thing you can do if you’re in doubt is to take a screen shot of the photo you want to use and then upload the screen shot. That way the data will look like it came from somewhere else and people will have a harder time tracing it back. [[User:Bimplescub|Bimplescub]] ([[User talk:Bimplescub|talk]]) 02:24, 23 November 2023 (UTC)</s>
::Bimplescub, this is your fourth edit. The previous three were as unhelpful as this one. Please do not try our patience. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 02:27, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Struck advice from an indef'ed-NOTHERE editor that recommends violating copyright, license, and site-use terms of service. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 20:47, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

== Change of category when still in draft form ==

I have submitted an article for a new page, which has so far been rejected.
One of the issues is likely to be an incorrect categorization. How do I change the category when still in draft form?
The current category is "organisation" but I want to change the category to "band".

I don't think I need to change the content or the citations, but cannot see a way to change the category.
Is that function available or do I simply start again? [[User:Asianfg|Asianfg]] ([[User talk:Asianfg|talk]]) 01:23, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

:{{ping|Asianfg}} It is not yet a very good article, but the subject very clearly passes [[WP:GNG]]. I have removed the uncited Alumni section; improved some of the references & added a couple more; and promoted it as [[Canberra Youth Orchestra]]. I'd suggest you continue to work on it, particualrly by looking for news stories which discuss the subject or its work. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 01:46, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::To answer your question, you could have changed the draft categorisation in the draft by amending parameters in the template {{tl|Draft topics}}, but that is no longer necessary. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 02:05, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

== I need your help to improve this article ==

Hello, my article needs a review and editing by an experienced Wikipedia editor Which friends can help me edit and improve this article?
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ahmad_Bayati
I have little knowledge in editing and professional editing
And I need your help to improve this article [[Special:Contributions/2.177.101.133|2.177.101.133]] ([[User talk:2.177.101.133|talk]]) 03:22, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

:I'm sorry to say that at the moment, Ahmad does not qualify for a wikipedia article because there are not enough reliable sources which discuss him. Unless you can find better sources, the draft will be deleted. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 03:33, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you for your answer. All the sources of the article are from international and Iranian sources and reliable news agencies of Iran, which are neutral
::And once approved by Persian Wikipedia with its rules
::Is it possible to review and check again?
{{HAT|recap of references}}
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::^ https://focusteam.ir/Users/C
::external link[edit]
::Official website
::coverage of the final competitions of the country's polo championship on the selection news website
::Ahmed Bayati's interview on the omigo website
::Ahmad Bayati on LinkedIn
::Ahmad Bayati on Instagram
::https://honariran.org/cer/1402/2682.jpg
::https://35awards.com/page/contests/num/738/certificate/?user_id=1181253&lang=en
::https://35awards.com/author/ahmadbayati
::https://honariran.org/ads/%d9%85%d8%ac%d9%85%d9%88%d8%b9%d9%87-%d8%b9%da%a9%d8%b3-%d9%86%da%af%d8%a7%d9%87-%d9%86%d9%88/
::https://honariran.org/ads/%d8%b9%da%a9%d8%b3-%d8%b7%d8%a8%db%8c%d8%b9%d8%aa-%d8%a7%db%8c%d8%b1%d8%a7%d9%86-%d8%a7%d8%b2-%d8%b4%da%af%d9%81%d8%aa-%d8%a7%d9%86%da%af%db%8c%d8%b2%d8%aa%d8%b1%db%8c%d9%86-%d9%86%d9%82%d8%a7%d8%b7/
::Resources[edit]
::Ahmed Bayati's interview on the idat website
::Ahmad Bayati's interview on the idat website [[Special:Contributions/2.177.101.133|2.177.101.133]] ([[User talk:2.177.101.133|talk]]) 03:42, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
{{hab}}
:::I'm pretty sure that these do not satisfy [[WP:GNG]]. English wikipedia's notability standards are not the same as Persian wikipedia. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 03:44, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::::Because other people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Kaveh have verified their articles with much less and inappropriate sources
::::That's why I request to check with these sources which are valid
::::And please check it, and if you need basic editing, due to lack of familiarity, it may seem unapproved, but I request Majd to check it and edit it, thank you. [[Special:Contributions/2.177.101.133|2.177.101.133]] ([[User talk:2.177.101.133|talk]]) 03:50, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::Yes. See [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]]. The argument that another article has been created with insufficient references is not a good argument for this article being created with insufficient references. I'm sorry, but right now, there is not evidence that this subject is notable. If you cannot find additional [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] for the subject, the article will not be promoted. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 03:56, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::Building on that response, if there is a problem with the references in [[Ali Kaveh]], feel free to improve it or nominate it for deletion. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 04:11, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::GoingBatty is correct. Note, though, that Ali Kaveh has the distinction of taking the picture of Ayatollah Khomeini printed on Iranian 10,000 rials note; this is proffered as a reason for him having fame in Iran. Ahmad Bayati is very much younger, and has no such claim. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 04:19, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::::It is true. Of course, note that Ahmad Bayati is famous and has a Google knowledge panel "Google Knowledge" https://g.co/kgs/SKoR8Y and Wikipedia is Farsi and In taking news photos for important government centers and important Iranian news agencies
{{hat|long list of URLs}}
::::::::https://sahebkhabar.ir/news/60966348/%DA%AF%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B4-%D8%AA%D8%B5%D9%88%DB%8C%D8%B1%DB%8C-%D8%B3%DB%8C%D8%AA%D9%86%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D8%B2-%D8%AD%D8%B6%D9%88%D8%B1-%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D9%86-%D9%86%D8%AA-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%86%D9%85%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B4%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%84%DA%A9%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%BE-%DB%B1%DB%B4%DB%B0%DB%B2

::::::::https://www.citna.ir/news/282092/%DA%AF%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B4-%D8%AA%D8%B5%D9%88%DB%8C%D8%B1%DB%8C-%D8%B3%DB%8C%D8%AA%D9%86%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D8%B2-%D8%AD%D8%B6%D9%88%D8%B1-%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D9%86-%D9%86%D8%AA-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%86%D9%85%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B4%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%84%DA%A9%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%BE-%DB%B1%DB%B4%DB%B0%DB%B2

::::::::https://www.citna.ir/node/282092

::::::::https://www.citna.ir/news/282085/%DA%AF%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B4-%D8%AA%D8%B5%D9%88%DB%8C%D8%B1%DB%8C-%D8%B3%DB%8C%D8%AA%D9%86%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D8%B2-%D8%AD%D8%B6%D9%88%D8%B1-%D9%87%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%88%D9%84-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%86%D9%85%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B4%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%84%DA%A9%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%BE-1402

::::::::https://www.citna.ir/node/282085

::::::::https://www.citna.ir/news/282089/%DA%AF%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B4-%D8%AA%D8%B5%D9%88%DB%8C%D8%B1%DB%8C-%D8%B3%DB%8C%D8%AA%D9%86%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D8%B2-%D8%AD%D8%B6%D9%88%D8%B1-%D8%A2%D8%B3%DB%8C%D8%A7%D8%AA%DA%A9-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%86%D9%85%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B4%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%84%DA%A9%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%BE-%DB%B1%DB%B4%DB%B0%DB%B2

::::::::https://www.citna.ir/node/282089

::::::::https://www.bultannews.com/fa/amp/news/426155

::::::::https://www.asriran.com/fa/news/895287/%D8%AD%D8%B6%D9%88%D8%B1-%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%AA%D8%B1%D8%A7-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%86%D9%85%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B4%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%84%DA%A9%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%BE

::::::::https://www.4gnews.ir/news/2609

::::::::https://www.citna.ir/node/14826


::::::::https://sahebkhabar.ir/news/60965419/%DA%AF%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B4-%D8%AA%D8%B5%D9%88%DB%8C%D8%B1%DB%8C-%D8%B3%DB%8C%D8%AA%D9%86%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D8%B2-%D8%AD%D8%B6%D9%88%D8%B1-%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%B3%D9%84-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%86%D9%85%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B4%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%84%DA%A9%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%BE-%DB%B1%DB%B4%DB%B0%DB%B2

::::::::https://sarmayehgostaran.ir/66172/%DA%AF%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B4-%D8%AA%D8%B5%D9%88%DB%8C%D8%B1%DB%8C-%D8%B3%DB%8C%D8%AA%D9%86%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D8%B2-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%AF-%D9%85%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A7%D8%B1/

::::::::https://www.bultannews.com/fa/amp/news/426155
::::::::https://www.namayeshgahha.ir/category/fairs/it-industries/page/2/
::::::::https://www.entekhab.ir/fa/news/731580/%D8%A8%DB%8C%D9%85%D9%87-%D8%B1%D8%A7%DB%8C%DA%AF% D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%AA%D9%84%D9%81%D9%86-%D9%87%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%87-%D8%AF %D8%B1-%D9%86%D9%85%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B4%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%84%DA%A9 %D8%A7%D9%85%D9%BE-%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%B3%D8%B7-%D8%A2%DB%8C-%D8%A8%DB%8C%D9% 85%D9%87

::::::::https://www.mizanonline.ir/fa/news/705494/%D8%B1%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%AA%E2%80%8C%D9%87%D8%A7 %DB%8C-%D9%BE%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C-%DA%86%D9%88%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%86 -%D9%82%D9%87%D8%B1%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C-%DA%A9%D8%B4%D9%88%D8%B1

::::::::https://www.mizanonline.ir/002xWw


::::::::https://borna.news/fa/news/531439/%D8%A7%D9%88%D9%84%DB%8C%D9%86-%D8%AF%D9%88%D8%B1%D9% 87-%D8%B1%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%AA-%D9%87%D8%A7%DB%8C-%DA%86%D9%88%DA%AF%D8 %A7%D9%86-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%AC%D8%A7%D9%85-%D9%86% D9%88%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B2-%D8%A8%D8%B1%DA%AF%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D9%85%DB%8C- %D8%B4%D9%88%D8%AF

::::::::https://borna.news/002EFb

::::::::https://www.citna.ir/node/282042

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::::::::https://37280223.khabarban.com/

::::::::  It is very active. And also in the world https://35awards.com/author/ahmadbayati

::::::::https://asansafarnews.ir/%D9%87%D9%86%D8%B1%D9%85%D9%86%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF- %D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7%D8%AA%DB%8C/

::::::::https://1pix.ir/user/ahmadbayati

::::::::https://lilit.ir/163314/

::::::::https://www.100honar.com/Artist/30059/%D8%A7%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF-%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7%D8%AA%DB% 8C/

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::::::::https://honareheyat.com/user/89fa87

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'''https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=now%201-d&q=%2Fg%2F11kpmw47fp,%D8%A7%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF%20%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7%D8%AA%DB%8C&hl=en-US
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::::::::https:// wikitia .com /wiki/Ahmad_Bayati

::::::::https://www.domestika.org/en/ahmadbayati
{{hab}}
::::::::  It has been brought and recognized

::::::::  This is a proof of his fame in Iran. I think Ahmad Bayati deserves to make such a claim [[Special:Contributions/2.177.101.133|2.177.101.133]] ([[User talk:2.177.101.133|talk]]) 23:18, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

:::::::::Well: add [[WP:RS|Reliable Sources]] to his article. There is no point arguing about it here. I've had a look at some of the URLs you have posted above. Perhaps https://lilit.ir/163314/ is good, who knows; it won't translate. But most of them are not reliable sources. Providing long lists of mainly rubbish URLs is not helpful. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 02:57, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::'''Thank you, I have added all the sources, I am your approval and verification
::::::::::Thank you again for your help and explanation''' [[Special:Contributions/2.177.92.112|2.177.92.112]] ([[User talk:2.177.92.112|talk]]) 03:05, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::You added more than 4k of link data to the article. You have not added what could be regarded as references. You have not helped the article, at all. I've followed one of the refs; it gets me to a story "Seetna's video report of Irancell's presence at Elcamp 1402 exhibition". That is not about the subject at all.
:::::::::::Please understand: loading the article up with rubbish links is not helpful. Adding links which are not references is not helpful. We are still in the position where 1) most of the text in the article has no citations and 2) the article page has fifty or so external links of one sort of another, none of which are references for the text in the article. If you are serious about wanting this draft to be approved, do the following: 1) remove all links which are not 'footnotes' citations. All of them. Gone. 2) Make sure each paragraph in the article has a reliable source linked as the 'footnotes' are currently linked. 3) Red [[WP:GNG]]. Make sure the footnotes are reliable sources. Please understand we all only have so much time: if you continue to throw tens of uselss references at us, we will simply delete the draft because it will be clear that it is going nowhere. (And do be advised: I have the strongest doubts that you can come up with enough reliable sources. Not every person gets an article, no matter how much you want one.) --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 03:24, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::This person is the photographer of these news agencies and photographs the important news of Iran
::::::::::::"And according to the policy of news agencies, they do not name the photographer, but the name of this person can be seen EXIF in the photographs [[Special:Contributions/2.177.92.112|2.177.92.112]] ([[User talk:2.177.92.112|talk]]) 03:45, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::That does NOT convey notability. We are looking for reliable sources which describe the subject in detail. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 03:49, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::::All reliable sources that describe the subject in detail are left and there are no other sources
::::::::::::::Please help review and edit the article [[Special:Contributions/2.177.92.112|2.177.92.112]] ([[User talk:2.177.92.112|talk]]) 03:53, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::If there are no other sources, then the article will not be promoted. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 03:58, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

== Unable to understand wikipedia ==

Hi this is the below link of the article that I wrote. I am new to wikipedia and I dont know the rules and terminologies that you use. Please do let me know the real problem with the article. [[Pavan Sadineni|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavan_Sadineni]] [[User:Aaseeshpreetam6|Aaseeshpreetam6]] ([[User talk:Aaseeshpreetam6|talk]]) 06:57, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:First, you can not expect to leap into wikipedia and write an article. Spend a few weeks or even months just reading Wikipedia and learn how it works. Then you might be bale to write an article. [[User:Bduke|Bduke]] ([[User talk:Bduke|talk]]) 07:48, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::{{u|Aaseeshpreetam6}} is not a new user. They created their account almost ten years ago, but their oldest survivng edit is from yesterday. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 08:42, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:The real problem atm seems to be that someone who saw the article thought "This isn't good enough per [[WP:N]]!" There is now a discussion that is intended to solve that problem. There may be other problems involving [[WP:RS]] and [[WP:BLP]], but the "should this article be deleted" is the main one atm. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 08:43, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

STATUS: There exists [[Draft:Pavan Sadineni]] which was repeatedly Declined, and also [[Pavan Sadineni]], created and then nominated for deletion. The two documents are not identical. I recomment abandoning the draft - which should be deleted - and working on improving the article.  [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 09:20, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:The process at AfD is that editors have a week or so to recommend Keep or Delete, and then an Administrator makes a decision. Consider looking at the draft to see why the Reviewers were Declining the draft, as that may give direction for improving the article while waiting for the AfD decision. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 09:33, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

== YouTube as a source? [[WP:NOYT]] unclear? ==

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Andrew_D._Huberman&diff=prev&oldid=1186499150 Here] an editor cites a YouTube video as the source on a BLP's religious beliefs/theism. Is this okay? [[WP:NOYT]] seems somewhat ambiguous and I'd rather not remove citation that might be acceptable. Thanks. [[User:Zenomonoz|Zenomonoz]] ([[User talk:Zenomonoz|talk]]) 05:20, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

:YouTube is a user-generated website and is therefore highly discouraged from use as a Wikipedia source. [[User:Equalwidth|Equal]][[User talk:Equalwidth|width]] ([[Special:Contributions/Equalwidth|C]]) 06:48, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::Hello, {{u|Zenomonoz}}. Equalwidth is correct that most YouTube videos are not considered to be reliable sources. However, there are significant exceptions. Videos shown on official YouTube channels associated with reliable, established print or academic sources are also reliable and can be used as references in Wikipedia articles. As for [[WP:NOYT]], that is an essay that expresses the opinion of its author, and lacks the force of a policy or a guideline. The relevant policy language can be found at [[WP:ABOUTSELF]]. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 08:48, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Thank you both. And oops, didn't realise [[WP:NOYT]] was from an essay. I have made that mistake before. [[User:Zenomonoz|Zenomonoz]] ([[User talk:Zenomonoz|talk]]) 08:59, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Zenomonoz|Zenomonoz]] [[WP:RSPYT]] is more on point, though that page isn't policy or guideline either. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 09:52, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

== User pages ==

Hey. I just joined yesterday, so I don't really know what I need to do. I created an account but I can not access it from the main Wikipedia page. Is there some other way to access it,  or is something not working? Thanks. God bless. [[User:Heritage Love|Heritage Love]] ([[User talk:Heritage Love|talk]]) 05:20, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

:Create your user page. If you have the Newcomer Homepage enabled, then click on your username, then click Userpage. If it’s disabled, click on your username. [[User:Equalwidth|Equal]][[User talk:Equalwidth|width]] ([[Special:Contributions/Equalwidth|C]]) 06:46, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::At least I think that’s relevant… [[User:Equalwidth|Equal]][[User talk:Equalwidth|width]] ([[Special:Contributions/Equalwidth|C]]) 06:46, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Your account works fine. It's optional to create a user page at [[User:Heritage Love]]. Many users don't. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 11:10, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

== Rejection due to "not enough references" ==

I submitted an article about a scientific prize and gave the reference of the organisation website that hands out the prize. The prize has been awarded since 2009, the organisation is well-established in European science. What else is needed? Incidentally, the German Wikipedia accepted my article, which is short and factual, without any problems. What kind of reference do the watch-dogs of Wikipedia request? I will now try a second time, adding unnecessary info (in my views) about the awardees, although the article is not about them primarily.  [[User:Pünkelchen|Pünkelchen]] ([[User talk:Pünkelchen|talk]]) 11:09, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:It's usually best to at least tell people the name of the article when asking for help. I presume you mean [[Draft:Ita Askonas Award]]? - [[User:X201|X201]] ([[User talk:X201|talk]]) 11:22, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pünkelchen|Pünkelchen]]: you need to support the article with sufficient citations, so that it is clear where the information is coming from, and you also need to cite sources which establish [[WP:notability|notability]], usually according to the [[WP:GNG]] guideline.
:Whether the German-language Wikipedia accepted an article on this subject is neither here nor there, as each language version is entirely separate with their own guidelines and policies. This (English-language) one probably has the most onerous requirements, so it's not at all uncommon that articles get accepted into other language versions and yet not accepted here. HTH, -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 11:48, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Pünkelchen|Pünkelchen]] To establish notability on the English Wikipedia we need about three sources that meet [[WP:42|these criteria]]. At present, all your sources are either from organisations associated with the prize or from websites of people who have won it. These are therefore not [[WP:INDEPENDENT|independent]]. The most likely place to find acceptable sources will be from newspapers reporting on the Award. It is clearly OK to include some background from non-independent sources (see [[WP:ABOUTSELF]]) but these don't help the notability issue. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 14:11, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Pünkelchen|Pünkelchen]] {{ec}} I'm afraid it's about not the ''number'' of references, but the type of references needed to establish whether or not a topic meets English Wikipedia's strict [[WP:N|Notability]] criteria. Has the award been written about in detail and depth by general news or magazine outlets, rather than within the immunology profession alone? I don't see that in the citations you have used. Nor do I see any mention of this award in either the existing articles about [[Brigitte Askonas]], or in [[European Journal of Immunology]]. These are both low-hanging fruit wherein the award can easily be mentioned. It would even be possible to create a [[WP:REDIRECT]] from [[Ita Askonas Award]] to either the [[European Journal of Immunology]] as a whole, or to a subsection within it specifically about that award. I suggest you may find this a more rewarding route to follow than flogging yourself to create a separate article. Later on, when there's sufficient detailed coverage of this particular award (and remember, there are innumerable learned societies and other bodies who run award schemes every year) you could suggest making a more detailed, stand-alone article specifically about it. Hope you find this helpful. Regards, [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 14:25, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

== Title of Page ==

Hi there, I edited a page which is now called "Islamist uprising in Syria" roughly 1-2 years ago. I visit it every now and then, however, I have noticed that the title has been changed and i strongly oppose the change. Although I agree with the change from "Islamic" to "Islamist" so as to not confuse it with something related to the religion and to make it more academic in language, however, it is very important to retain part of the old title which is "1976-1982" since Syria has a history of various islamist uprisings which should not be confused with each other. In fact, this is why the page itself begins with "not to be confused with the syrian civil war". I think it is a very important addition that should remain part of the title. I could not change it myself via the edit function, so i am writing this to ask for help on how to change it and perhaps to know why it was changed.

Thank you! [[User:KAD2223|KAD2223]] ([[User talk:KAD2223|talk]]) 14:45, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:KAD2223|KAD2223]] The titles of articles are not altered by edits but by [[WP:MOVE]]s. The Talk Page of the article is the place to gain [[WP:CONSENSUS|consensus]] for any further move and is also where you should find the discussion that led to the current title. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 15:18, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

== why many Christianity become Apologist in the early church ==

w [[Special:Contributions/197.243.115.78|197.243.115.78]] ([[User talk:197.243.115.78|talk]]) 16:27, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

:Try [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities]]. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 16:49, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

== Sub heading problem ==

In [[List of highest individual scores in One Day International cricket|this article]], under "Highest one day individual scorers" section, there are two tables for 'Men' and 'Woman', but their sub headings are stuck on top, even if in source code their are properly placed. If I fix it in visual editor, it just makes two 'Women' subheading appear on top, thus aggravating the error. Kindly fix it. [[User:ExclusiveEditor|<span style="background:Orange;color:White;padding:2px;">Exclusive</span>]][[User:ExclusiveEditor|<span style="background:black; color:White; padding:2px;">Editor</span>]] [[User talk:ExclusiveEditor|<sub>Notify Me!</sub>]] 19:34, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

:The first table didn't have the correct closing bracket. It had "|-}" instead of "|}". I have fixed it. [[User:StarryGrandma|StarryGrandma]] ([[User talk:StarryGrandma|talk]]) 19:44, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

== Deputy ==

Does a person who is a deputy of the State Council of the Republic of Tatarstan have significance for Wikipedia, considering that this parliament is the highest legislature in the state as part of the federation? [[Special:Contributions/178.204.152.206|178.204.152.206]] ([[User talk:178.204.152.206|talk]]) 20:06, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

:Per [[WP:NPOL]], "The following are presumed to be notable:
:Politicians and judges who have held international, national, or (for countries with federal or similar systems of government) state/province–wide office". So, yes, they are likely notable. [[User:Novo Tape|<span style="color:#0645AD"> Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Novo Tape|<span style="color:#0645AD">My Talk Page</span>]]</sup>  20:28, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you very much, all the best to you [[Special:Contributions/178.204.152.206|178.204.152.206]] ([[User talk:178.204.152.206|talk]]) 20:50, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:::You're welcome! [[User:Novo Tape|<span style="color:#0645AD"> Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Novo Tape|<span style="color:#0645AD">My Talk Page</span>]]</sup>  21:56, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

== Delete user pages ==

Hi, I was wondering, "How do I delete my common.css file?" [[User:ThatJoshuaPerson|ThatJoshuaPerson]] ([[User talk:ThatJoshuaPerson|talk]]) 17:45, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:Hi, @[[User:ThatJoshuaPerson|ThatJoshuaPerson]], and welcome to the Teahouse! You can place {{tl|db-u1}} on any user page to request it be deleted. <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- [[User:Maddy from Celeste|Maddy from Celeste]] ([[User talk:Maddy from Celeste|WAVEDASH]])</b> 18:14, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::Alternatively, take a look at [[WP:Common.js and common.css]] for help. I guess you could just blank the page and in effect you would have no active software. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 18:24, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

::{{ping|Maddy from Celeste}} You can, but it won't work on a css page. Template content is not transcluded into .css pages, as far as I can see. I don't think there is a protocol for their deletion - blanking is normally good enough - but I guess [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion]]? --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 18:31, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Tagishsimon|Maddy from Celeste}} Based on a check in preview, they do work, at least to some extent. When used on a css page, templates will not display as usual, hoewever, they do still trigger categorisation like [[:Category:Candidates for speedy deletion by user]] and substing them works too (that's why you can do something like {{tlx|lusc|2=User:Example/script.js|subst=yes}}). [[User:Victor Schmidt|Victor Schmidt]] ([[User talk:Victor Schmidt|talk]]) 20:17, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::::Yes, when you save a js or css page, the content is processed like wikitext including transclusion of templates. The result is not rendered on the page itself but it's still used to update other things like categories and WhatLinksHere. For example, [[Special:WhatLinksHere/User:PrimeHunter/Source links.js]] lists [[User:PrimeHunter/vector.js]] because that page contains <code><nowiki>importScript('User:PrimeHunter/Source links.js'); // Linkback: [[User:PrimeHunter/Source links.js]]</nowiki></code>. The wikilink would be invalid JavaScript so it's commented out with JavaScript's comment syntax <code>//</code> but not with wikitext's comment syntax <code><nowiki><!-- ... --></nowiki></code>. This system helps find users of a script if they installed the script with the linkback code. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 22:14, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:So, it sounds like the general consensus is that blanking the CSS page works? I've already done that, so I guess I'm fine. [[User:ThatJoshuaPerson|ThatJoshuaPerson]] ([[User talk:ThatJoshuaPerson|talk]]) 19:27, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

== Questions about how to create a new page.  I think I am a registered user. ==

I have a registered user account, and I can prove that I have donated to the Foundation in the past.  I am now ready to learn how to create some Wikipedia pages, and I have particular topics in mind.  One concerns a documentary or movie project that I have made a lot of progress on, and the other is a page about a particular person whom I just recently met in Austria.  I am certain that there will be many complaints and privacy rights violations in both instances, so it is not a simple question.  Too many really, so I will start with just a few.

# Instruction manual on how to create and maintain Wikipedia pages.
# The documentary and/or film project is real.  I have probably thousands of photos, and a lot of written material, much of which is on social media platforms, and I personally have already started production.  However, the legal implications could be enormous.
# Ditto for the personal page.
# Also, I'd like to add some footnotes about Blue Wizards to the LOTR WIKI on the ONE WIKI TO RULE THEM ALL.

Are you able to help or give advice ?

My name is Stephen Douglas Scotti.  I have no problem sharing some details about my identity, but I am sure some of the other people involved will object. [[User:Sdscotti|Sdscotti]] ([[User talk:Sdscotti|talk]]) 17:52, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

:The subjects of wikipedia pages need to be notable - [[WP:N]] and you must be able to cite Reliable Sources - [[WP:RS]] to evidence that notability. I doubt that your project is notable. Your fourth point does not make much sense, but at the same time sets alarm bells ringing. WP is not the "LOTR WIKI", so who knows. See also [[WP:YFA]] and [[WP:COI]]. I suggest you need to get a lot more familiar with WP before embarking on the addition of pages. But please start with the reading I've indicated. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 18:10, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::Hello, {{u|Sdscotti}}. Please read and study [[WP:YFA|Your first article]] carefully. Your account is too inexperienced to create new articles now. You should spend some time improving existing articles, and learning about Wikipedia's [[WP:PAG|Policies and guidelines]]. Nobody on Wikipedia cares at all whether or not you have donated money to the Wikimedia Foundation. The most important thing to know to start is that acceptable Wikipedia articles summarize significant coverage of the topic in reliable published sources that are entirely independent of the topic. So, have the documentary/film project and the person from Austria received such coverage? We cannot provide advice about editing other wikis. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 18:33, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::{{ping|Sdscotti}} {{tq|I am certain that there will be many complaints and privacy rights violations in both instances}} you can only contribute content which <s>is already free in the public domain</s> can be freely licensed per [[WP:COPYVIO|copyright violations]]. You must also adhere to the [[WP:BLP|Biographies of living persons]] policy. Failure to do so will undoubtedly result in you being blocked, so it is best you avoid any contentious topics. <small>'''''[[User:Polyamorph|Polyamorph]]''''' ([[User talk:Polyamorph#top|talk]])</small> 20:03, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::::{{u|Polyamorph}}, it is not correct that Wikipedia content must be in the public domain, and relatively little of it is. For the most part, Wikipedia content, whether text or images, is freely licensed, for example under a [[Creative Commons license]] such as the CC BY-SA 4.0 License. The freely licensed content remains under copyright, but we agree to make that content widely available with attribution being the only acceptable restriction. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 22:24, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::Yeh, that's what I meant, but trying to explain in a non-technical way. <small>'''''[[User:Polyamorph|Polyamorph]]''''' ([[User talk:Polyamorph#top|talk]])</small> 23:28, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::Also read [[WP:TOOSOON]]. Movie projects, documentary or not, rarely qualify for an article. Typically, movies are released, reviewed, and reviews can count as valid references. Social media does not count. As for a person you met, the advice above applies. No refs = no hope of being an article. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 22:51, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

==Lists of law clerks of the Supreme Court of the United States==
*[[Lists of law clerks of the Supreme Court of the United States]]
*[[List of law clerks of the Supreme Court of the United States (Seat 2)]]

Someone forgot to update the nine law clerk pages. There is one for each justice. The first link above connects the updater to all nine pages. The second link is to one of the nine pages to show that the editor stopped updating in 2022. [[Special:Contributions/75.166.199.107|75.166.199.107]] ([[User talk:75.166.199.107|talk]]) 00:13, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

^^ That is an example of one of the nine pages that needs updating. [[Special:Contributions/75.166.199.107|75.166.199.107]] ([[User talk:75.166.199.107|talk]]) 00:16, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

:There is lots of unfinished & incomplete work on WP. It's not a thing worth bringing here. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 00:17, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:All the eight other lists have 2023 entries. Do you have a source saying seat 2 has a clerk starting in 2023? [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 01:00, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

== Shortened References in Visual Editor? ==

Hi there! I'm working on beefing up an article and I'd like to cite different pages in the same source in multiple places in the article. I tried the "re-use" function in the citation menu in the visual editor, but I can't change the page numbers on one citation without them changing on all the others. Furthermore, I don't want to clog up the references with a lot of full-length footnotes when a shortened note with a different page number would do. Is this doable in the Visual editor currently, or should I dip my toe into source editing to get this done? TIA for the advice! [[User:Violetstork|Violetstork]] ([[User talk:Violetstork|talk]]) 00:35, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

:To add a bit more detail, I'm looking at the article for [[Qawwali]], which only has a References section (no separate section for footnotes.) I want to stay consistent with what's already in the article, but I also don't want to make a bunch of repeated references at the bottom! Any help would be appreciated. Thanks so much!! [[User:Violetstork|Violetstork]] ([[User talk:Violetstork|talk]]) 00:59, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
::Hello, {{u|Violetstork}}. Personally, I prefer the fully functional source editor, as opposed to the visual editor, which is clearly lacking many important functions. In any event, please read [[Help:References and page numbers#Named references]], which explains how to accomplish what you want. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 02:23, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Thanks so much!  [[User:Violetstork|Violetstork]] ([[User talk:Violetstork|talk]]) 05:15, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

== Making articles ==

I just joined yesterday and i was wondering: How do i make a new article with new information i found on Audie Murphy?[[Audie Murphy]] [[User:Heritage Love|Heritage Love]] ([[User talk:Heritage Love|talk]]) 05:08, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Heritage Love|Heritage Love]]: {{welcometea}} You would edit the article on Murphy instead of creating a new article. You can do so by clicking on an "Edit" link at the top of the page, but you will be asked to cite a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] for your information. If you don't it will eventually get removed. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 05:12, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::Ok. Thank you. [[User:Heritage Love|Heritage Love]] ([[User talk:Heritage Love|talk]]) 05:21, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:::{{u|Heritage Love}} A caution - the [[Audie Murphy]] article is a Featured Article (see the star, upper right) so editors who watch it may revert your new content unless it is up to high standards as far as adding valid references at the same time as adding content. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 09:13, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Hello, Heritage Love. Another caution: where did you find the "new information"? If you have found [[WP:reliable sources|reliable sources]] which have not yet been used for the article, you may well be able to add the information; but you may not include [[WP:original research|original research]] in a Wikipedia article. See [[WP:verifiability|verifiability]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 12:15, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

== finding wikitext a bit awkward for linking and organizing. ==

Hello, I need help to get this article submitted - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Secondary_Mathematics_Individualized_Learning_Experiment I have added several references from peer reviewed journals and links to software repositories, so I believe this is a good first version for publishing. Most grateful for help, first time doing this. [[User:Yodamaster1|Yodamaster1]] ([[User talk:Yodamaster1|talk]]) 15:33, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Yodamaster1|Yodamaster1]] Writing articles from scratch as the first thing you try on Wikipedia is hard! Reviewers are looking for drafts that fully meet our standards including correct referencing. There are help articles [[H:YFA|here]]. To take just one example, your best source is probably [[doi:10.1007/978-3-319-72610-6_12]] but its citation should look like this: {{cite book |doi=10.1007/978-3-319-72610-6_12 |chapter="Now There's Everything to Stop You": Teacher Autonomy then and Now |title=Sociopolitical Dimensions of Mathematics Education |series=ICME-13 Monographs |date=2018 |last1=Adams |first1=Gill |last2=Povey |first2=Hilary |pages=209–230 |isbn=978-3-319-72609-0 |chapter-url=http://shura.shu.ac.uk/16437/3/Adams%20-%20now%20ther%27es%20everything%20to%20stop%20you%20%28AM%29%2016437.pdf }} There is a [[WP:Citation expander]] that can automatically convert the doi into that full citation. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 15:44, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::{{ping|Michael D. Turnbull}} I suggest that the {{para|chapter}} parameter should use single quotes instead of double quotation marks per [[Help:Citation Style 1#Titles and chapters]].  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 19:28, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:::None of the citation generating scripts will do that though: they'll make the chapter punctuation match the double quotes found at the doi. [[User:Folly Mox|Folly Mox]] ([[User talk:Folly Mox|talk]]) 01:12, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you! This is great advice @[[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Michael D. Turnbull]]. I'll improve the reference formatting see about cleaning up the organization of the prose. [[User:Yodamaster1|Yodamaster1]] ([[User talk:Yodamaster1|talk]]) 13:34, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:This is probably not super helpful in your specific situation, but if your problem is with wikitext feeling clunky and awkward, maybe check out [[pandoc]].
:It can convert stuff to wikitext, and even include BibTeX citations or other shenanigans. So if you're more comfortable with writing in LaTeX, markdown or something else, you could use these to write a draft and then convert that to wikitext to add it here. I also don't like wikitext that much tbh, but I guess it just takes a bit of time getting used to. [[User:FynnFreyer|FynnFreyer]] ([[User talk:FynnFreyer|talk]]) 13:20, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks @[[User:FynnFreyer|FynnFreyer]], I'll give it a go with the pandoc markdown to wikitext converter. [[User:Yodamaster1|Yodamaster1]] ([[User talk:Yodamaster1|talk]]) 13:36, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

== Help with dispute ==

There seems to be some kerfuffle going on at [[Talk:FTSE 100 Index]] (and other places), regarding the creation of some categories. Some IP editors seem keen but are put off by the vague process, and some misleading/contradictory advice from some hostile editors... [[Special:Contributions/78.148.155.84|78.148.155.84]] ([[User talk:78.148.155.84|talk]]) 10:49, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

:Follow the despite resolution 
:[[WP:DR]] [[User:Subariba|Subariba]] ([[User talk:Subariba|talk]]) 15:42, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

== Editing a vital page ==

Hey all, I was thinking about adding a section to a [[Poisson Distribution|vital page]], and added an entry to the talk page, discussing the change. Is there any way to get in touch with someone that could review my proposed changes before I break something, or should I just wait a little longer for a reply on the talk page? [[User:FynnFreyer|FynnFreyer]] ([[User talk:FynnFreyer|talk]]) 13:14, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:{{u|FynnFreyer}}, your suggestion looks reasonable to me.  But it would be more likely to get attention if it had a proper citation instead of a dummy one. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 13:47, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:FynnFreyer|FynnFreyer]] For specialist subjects like this, the best approach is to draw attention to your suggestion by linking to it at Project Talk Pages, such as [[WT:WikiProject_Mathematics]], which is very active. However, as advised, you need a new citation unless the article already has an appropriate one, in which case you should mention it. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 16:07, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

== How to add a video... ==

I would like to add a video to: Transcendental Model 1-G.  It's a video of Test Flights of Transcendental Aircraft Corporation's Model 1-G and Model 2 VTOL aircraft.   [[User:Wcobey|Wcobey]] ([[User talk:Wcobey|talk]]) 16:34, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Wcobey|Wcobey]] ''If and only if'' it is a video you personally took, then it could be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons and then a link placed to it in the article. However, I assume it is more likely it is a video hosted on YouTube or similar and copyright of the aviation company. In that case, a link to it could be included in the "External links" section of the article. See [[Concorde]] for an example. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 16:58, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::Super thanks for your reply.  
::I edited the "Transcendental Model 1-G" page.  
::Added video: "Transcendental Aircraft Corporation - Model 1G and Model 2.ogg"
::Title: "Video of Test Flights of Transcendental Aircraft Corporation's Model 1-G and Model 2 VTOL aircraft." 
::The revision I made was redacted as follows
:: 13:28, 4 November 2023‎ Nigel Ish talk contribs‎  9,188 bytes −627‎  Undid revision 1183457072 by Wcobey (talk) - revert COI spam undothank Tag: Undo
::I am lost... [[User:Wcobey|Wcobey]] ([[User talk:Wcobey|talk]]) 23:51, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Wcobey}} I think a user objected strongly to the advert at the start of the video, which is reflected in the wording of the commons video page you uploaded: "''An eBook is now available: "Pioneering in A New Phase of Aviation Progress, 1952 - 1958" by William E Cobey.''" You will find that editors on Wikipedia despise wikipedia being used to promote anything, even a 99p ebook. You need to decide why you are here: to build the encyclopedia, or to promote your ebook. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 02:43, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Wcobey|Wcobey]] If you cropped your video to remove any advert, I think that it would be an acceptable addition to the article. Note that you have a clear [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]], so you should read the guidance on that. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 18:37, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::There's an outstanding copyright issue on the footage to be addressed: if copyright belongs to Wcobey - e.g. because they've inherited the copyright - then they may need to communicate with the [[Wikipedia:Volunteer Response Team]]. It's clearly not 'own work'. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 18:49, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::::Thanks for your help. I am here to get out this historical story.  Nothing else.  It's a piece of American history that needs to be documented and held in this archive, Wikipedia. 
::::Both the video and the book tell the full story. One really can't go without the other. The advertisement links the two firmly together.  Further, it certainly is not going to be a New York Times bestseller. The $1 for the book is for me to keep track of how many books are sold; and for me to amuse myself; and without a doubt, to buy me a beer. 
::::I spent a considerable amount of time putting it together to share with the Wikipedia audience.  
::::Yes, I will also share the copyright question with the Response Team.
::::I also wonder how to get to Wikipedia's Aviation Project team and whether the page "locked". 
::::Thanks so much for responses.  You made my day.  I will stay in touch with you all as I navigate the process. [[User:Wcobey|Wcobey]] ([[User talk:Wcobey|talk]]) 20:05, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::Hello, Wcobey. I'm afraid that Wikipedia is [[WP:OR|specifically not]] for material that "needs to be documented": it is only for material that has ''already'' been [[WP:RS|reliably published]].
:::::If your book has been published by a reputable publisher with a reputation for editorial control, then it may be cited in Wikipedia. If it hasn't, then I'm afraid that it cannot be cited, and little or none of its contents may be covered (unless they are in a reliable source elsewhere, of course). [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:14, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

== Counting news articles: is that original research in society and culture section? ==

I have a question on original research in society and culture section.

For example, if I write "Ketotifen receives regularly news coverage. For the period from 1981 to 2023 it was mentioned in 15 articles of [[The Economist]] and 34 articles in [[The New York Times]]" would at be original research? It would be me who counted the articles. There is no secondary source that has these numbers already counted. I can put references on each of the mentions as <nowiki>{{cite news}}</nowiki>, but wouldn't it be considered a citation overkill bombing?

What do you suggest, how can I mention that a particular drug has press attention?&nbsp;[[User:Maxim Masiutin|Maxim Masiutin]] ([[User talk:Maxim Masiutin|talk]]) 12:59, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

:Hello, Maxim. I would say that that is indeed [[WP:original research|original research]]. 
:The question is, why would the fact of it having received ''n'' press mentions be worthy of recording in a Wikipedia article? If somebody has written about that fact, it might be; but otherwise it is a random statistic of no significance. 
:Summarising what a couple of the articles said about it (assuming they are not mere mentions) would be far more to the point. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 13:54, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Maxim Masiutin|Maxim Masiutin]] Newspaper articles are rarely good sources for citations about pharmaceutical drugs. See [[WP:MEDRS]] for the type of source needed. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 16:15, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:::According to the the page that you cited ([[WP:MEDPOP]]), {{tq|News sources may be useful for non-biomedical content, such as information about "society and culture"}} [[User:Maxim Masiutin|Maxim Masiutin]] ([[User talk:Maxim Masiutin|talk]]) 16:57, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
::You asked why would the fact of it having received n press mentions be worthy of recording in a Wikipedia article? It is because this is high comparing to other drugs that indicate that it is at the top importance on society and culture matter among drugs. [[User:Maxim Masiutin|Maxim Masiutin]] ([[User talk:Maxim Masiutin|talk]]) 17:00, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:::{{u|Maxim Masiutin}}, that is clearly a violation of the core content policy, [[WP:OR|No original research]]. If you intend to state or imply that the drug is {{tpq|top importance on society and culture}}, then you need to find a reliable source that comes to that specific conclusion. It is not the role of a Wikipedia editor to draw that conclusion. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 17:44, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
::::OK, thank you very much for the explanation! [[User:Maxim Masiutin|Maxim Masiutin]] ([[User talk:Maxim Masiutin|talk]]) 17:57, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

== Unknown copyright for a map ==

There is a high quality, highly-legible map I own of a railway company that would be extremely useful to use in an article about that railway company. The problem is, this map has appeared all over the internet (in different variations) and on the BBC, yet I do not know who actually owns the copyright, and who created it originally. If I decided to scan it on my printer and use it for the article, would it constitute fair use? [[User:JoeMcCaff|JoeMcCaff]] ([[User talk:JoeMcCaff|talk]]) 01:41, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:Hell no. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 02:05, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
::If this is a contemporary map, then I agree with David notMD. If the map was published over 95 years ago, then the copyright has expired and it is in the public domain, and can be used by anyone without restrictions. There are lots of gray areas in copyright laws which have gone through repeated revisions over the years, so complete details about this map would be required to make a definitive determination. [[Wikipedia:Media copyright questions]] is the best venue for a more detailed discussion. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 02:43, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Pinging {{u|JoeMcCaff}}. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 02:44, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Alrighty then, Thanks for the help! [[User:JoeMcCaff|JoeMcCaff]] ([[User talk:JoeMcCaff|talk]]) 13:13, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
::::MY curt response was more to the proposed workaround rather than the map itself. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 19:07, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::That's okay then. I just thought it'd be better to ask at least even if it's unlikely.
:::::The BBC credits the map to a railway museum that I am a member of so I could probably ask them about it and if they have a map I could upload for them. [[User:JoeMcCaff|JoeMcCaff]] ([[User talk:JoeMcCaff|talk]]) 20:47, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

== What should I do? ==

I'm perplexed. This article lacks reliable sources ([[Angelo Innocent Fernandes]]). I discovered no citations in Google Scholar. Additionally, this article exists in three other languages. Using a translator, I examined the references on each of the pages and found nothing substantial. The common reference is this page (https://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/bfernai.html). What should I do? [[User:LeónGonsalvesofGoa|LeónGonsalvesofGoa]] ([[User talk:LeónGonsalvesofGoa|talk]]) 21:57, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

:Also [[Moreno de Souza]] [[User:LeónGonsalvesofGoa|LeónGonsalvesofGoa]] ([[User talk:LeónGonsalvesofGoa|talk]]) 22:04, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::Apologies, it was my mistake. [[Moreno de Souza]] has results on Google Scholar that I need to review. [[User:LeónGonsalvesofGoa|LeónGonsalvesofGoa]] ([[User talk:LeónGonsalvesofGoa|talk]]) 22:06, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:::If you are looking for sources, gogle, and not just google scholar; and newspaper archives, would be the directions to take. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 22:25, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::::Hello, {{u|LeónGonsalvesofGoa}}. [[Google Books]] is a useful tool. I found a 1997 book called [https://books.google.com/books?id=7DJLxYBYA-YC&pg=PA345&dq=Angelo+Innocent+Fernandes&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwishuv12t2CAxW3GTQIHVDVBI4Q6AF6BAgOEAM#v=onepage&q=Angelo%20Innocent%20Fernandes&f=false Profiles of Eminent Goans, Past and Present] by [[J. Clement Vaz]] that has five sentences about the life of Angelo Innocent Fernandes on page 54. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 22:51, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::I will review, thank you. [[User:LeónGonsalvesofGoa|LeónGonsalvesofGoa]] ([[User talk:LeónGonsalvesofGoa|talk]]) 21:11, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

== Honored Doctor of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic ==

Does a person with the title of "Merited Physician of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic" have significance for Wikipedia? [[Special:Contributions/178.204.152.206|178.204.152.206]] ([[User talk:178.204.152.206|talk]]) 17:51, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

:It does not confer notability: "'' Awarded to highly professional doctors for their services in protecting the health of the population, organizing and providing medical and preventive care using the achievements of medical science and technology in practice and who have worked in their specialty for 15 years or more.''" - https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%87_%D0%A0%D0%A1%D0%A4%D0%A1%D0%A0 --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 18:10, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
::It's just the highest title for a doctor in the RSFSR. Thanks for the help [[Special:Contributions/178.204.152.206|178.204.152.206]] ([[User talk:178.204.152.206|talk]]) 20:11, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Merely possessing the title does not confer notability in and of itself, but that doesn't necessarily mean the person isn't notable according to [[WP:BIO]].
:::For an award to confer notability, the award itself must merit an article, like [[Nobel Peace Prize]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 20:25, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
::::Thanks for the help. [[Special:Contributions/178.204.152.206|178.204.152.206]] ([[User talk:178.204.152.206|talk]]) 21:28, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

== How to find projects to get involved in a particular topic ==

Hi, I would like to know if there is a wiki project for articles related to Thomas & Friends: All Engines Go? Thank you [[User:I only know about one obscure niche thing|I only know about one obscure niche thing]] ([[User talk:I only know about one obscure niche thing|talk]]) 17:31, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
: If you look at [[Talk:Thomas_the_Tank_Engine]] you can see several projects related to that topic.  Same for any other article, just go to the talk page and see which Wikiprojects are listed there.  [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 17:41, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:I only know about one obscure niche thing|I only know about one obscure niche thing]]: I would recommend looking at [[Talk:Thomas & Friends]], since ''[[Thomas & Friends: All Engines Go]]'' and ''[[Thomas & Friends]]'' are both television series. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 23:52, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

== Start a deletion of an article ==

What is the pluging needed to get to start a deletion and how do you download it. Also it would be good to get a link of a tutorial page for it thx [[User:बिनोद थारू|बिनोद थारू]] ([[User talk:बिनोद थारू|talk]]) 03:31, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:If you're looking for the process to delete an article, please see [[WP:DELETE]]. [[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:3px 0 0 3px;padding:4px 3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:2px;color:#000">聊</span>]] 03:34, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:बिनोद थारू|बिनोद थारू]] That's not an easy question to answer, because it depends, in part, on ''why'' the article should be deleted. There are three deletion processes: [[WP:CSD|speedy deletion]], for articles with major, immediate problems like copyright violations or obvious lack of notability; [[WP:PROD|proposed deletion]], for articles that are likely to not be controversial in the deletion nomination; and [[WP:AFD|articles for deletion]], where the community has to discuss the possible deletion. What's the article in question? —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 03:34, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
::I have many I want to send to AfD mostly persons and companies. Where is the tutorial on how to download the script for generating an afd. [[User:बिनोद थारू|बिनोद थारू]] ([[User talk:बिनोद थारू|talk]]) 03:41, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:::[[User:बिनोद थारू|बिनोद थारू]], if the cases are all linked, you could open a ticket listing them all at [[WP:AfD]] after reading the rules there.<span id="Remsense:1700883951002:WikipediaFTTCLNTeahouse" class="FTTCmt"> [[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:3px 0 0 3px;padding:4px 3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:2px;color:#000">聊</span>]] 03:45, 25 November 2023 (UTC)</span>
::::Perhaps you could list two or three examples here? It's not normal for someone to rock up to Wikipedia and declare their intention to send many articles for deletion. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 04:03, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
::::And if you are sending articles to AfD en masse, be considerate to the other editors who have to evaluate each article typically within 7 days from time of filing. Please do not add unnecessary workload onto others by limiting yourself to have a reasonable number of active AfDs (5 is a good number to start with). There were other editors who had sent large numbers of articles to AfDs before and they were either censured or blocked after repeated requests to stop doing so. [[User:Robertsky|– robertsky]] ([[User talk:Robertsky|talk]]) 11:19, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::i open the afd at a limited rate due to workload [[User:बिनोद थारू|बिनोद थारू]] ([[User talk:बिनोद थारू|talk]]) 01:45, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:::[[WP:TWINKLE]] provides a easy way to nominate articles for deletion. [[User:Ca|Ca]] <sup><i>[[User talk:Ca|talk to me!]]</i></sup> 11:08, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

== Italicizing article titles ==

How do you italicize article titles? An article I’ve created: [[DEA-DOJ v. Walmart Inc.]], needs italicization, and I don’t know how to perform it. [[User:Roastedbeanz1|Roasted]] ([[User talk:Roastedbeanz1|talk]]) 02:06, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Roastedbeanz1|Roastedbeanz1]] You can use the template [[Template:Italic title]]. [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|talk]]) 02:07, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:{{done}} – I've applied the template {{tl|Italic title}} to the article. [[User:Tollens|Tollens]] ([[User talk:Tollens|talk]]) 02:08, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Roastedbeanz1|Roastedbeanz1]]: If you were to add {{tl|Infobox court case}} to the article, it would have the side benefit of italicizing the article title. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 02:39, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

== substitution a picture ==
*{{courtesy link|Eliza Lee Cabot Follen}}

I don't know how to edit this myself. But in the article for Eliza Lee Cabot Follen--an abolitionist and accomplished poet--the picture in the article is instead of her husband. There are lots of pictures of her in the public domaine that would substitute suitably. [[User:Kensacks|Kensacks]] ([[User talk:Kensacks|talk]]) 02:44, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Kensacks|Kensacks]]: Welcome to the Teahouse!  Which public domain picture would you recommend? [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 02:52, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

::[https://twitter.com/BermanCassandra/status/975066866489028608/photo/1 This one looks excellent], but I cannot find the source :( --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 03:36, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Here is info about that image from the [[Massachusetts Historical Society]]: [https://www.masshist.org/database/1085?ft=Collection%20Guides&from=/collection-guides/view/fap014]. It's attributed to "Kellog & Wilcox" but no date given, so we'd either need another source of information about this engraving specifically or information about these people in order to guesstimate a timeframe. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 05:47, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::::Possibly 1860s, assuming it's actually "Kellogg" (spelling), per [https://www.justanswer.com/antiques/6py5u-purchased-old-framed-print-entitled-the-babe-bethlehem.html], which is reasonable given the subject and agrees with the typical style of their work. Might be interesting to contact MHS to clarify the actual spelling in that accession record. I'd say the engraving is public-domain. But need to make sure the photo we use of it is not itself protected. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 05:57, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::Photos of public domain images do not acquire new copyright protection. Image uploaded as https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Eliza_Lee_Follen.png and added to the article. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 14:20, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::As long as it's just that image, definitely true. What's the origin of the specific "1850" year you gave? [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 20:44, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::Earliest date in the range given for the collection. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 20:59, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::::Better to list it as "1850–1890" (citeable date-range of collection), unless you have more-specific evidence for this specific item in the collection. As I mentioned previously, the only documented time of these two artists' collaboration was the 1860s. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 21:10, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::Maybe. Maybe c.1850. Kellogg was an engraver, not the originator of the illustration. The subject died in 1860 aged 72. The illustration does not look like a 72-year old. Reasonable to infer that the illustration was made earlier in her life. Lowest end of the range seems not unreasonable. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 21:41, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::I tagged it "circa". It's pretty bad to state something with certainty if it's only at personal estimate. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 03:29, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

== alie craig: draft ==

I have no idea how to do this!! I even have my agent helping me and we are stumped. I have put down minor accolades, but I have also been putting down a website cite for all my work and it still isn't enough. Is there any way someone can read it and help me? [[User:Alexandracraig|Alexandracraig]] ([[User talk:Alexandracraig|talk]]) 02:53, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

:You are strongly discouraged from writing an article about yourself because of conflict of interest and the PROMO policy. [[User:Kojavak|Kojavak]] ([[User talk:Kojavak|talk]]) 03:01, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::So, regardless if it is me or not, can I have an agent write it about me, and will it sound like it is better if so? [[User:Alexandracraig|Alexandracraig]] ([[User talk:Alexandracraig|talk]]) 03:07, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:::no. that's still a conflict of interest. [[user:ltbdl|ltb]][[user:ltbdl/d|<span style="color:orange">d</span>]][[user:ltbdl|l]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|talk]]) 03:09, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::::ok, thank you. so can someone from the motion picture academy write about me? [[User:Alexandracraig|Alexandracraig]] ([[User talk:Alexandracraig|talk]]) 03:11, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::again, still a conflict of interest. [[user:ltbdl|ltb]][[user:ltbdl/d|<span style="color:orange">d</span>]][[user:ltbdl|l]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|talk]]) 03:15, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
{{u|Alexandracraig}} You can try to create an article about yourself, but it is strongly discouraged. See [[WP:AUTO]]. Or your agent can, but must declare paid on User page. See [[WP:PAID]]. Either way, only what is independent published stuff be used as references. See [[WP:42]]. Process is use guide [[WP:YFA]] to create and submit a draft. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 03:16, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:Appears that Alexander's agent - Jason - has created [[Draft:Alie Craig]] and it has been Declined. Jason has not declared PAID. IMDb are not accepted refs. Nor Google. Nor Amazon.[[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 03:20, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:{{ping|Alexandracraig}} Have a look at [[WP:PROUD]]. In short, if you think that only good PR can come of a Wikipedia article, please rethink it.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] [[User talk:Jasper Deng|(talk)]] 03:40, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::[[User:Alexandracraig|Alexandracraig]] you and your agent may want to read [[Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing]]. If a Wikipedia article about you is accepted the article won't belong to you, and you and your agent won't be able to edit it further. If anything about you is published in a reliable source another editor can add it to your article, even if it something you don't want added. You may want to consider publishing information about yourself on social media, or create your own website. That way you don't have to be limited to the article restrictions set by Wikipedia, which is an online encyclopedia, and not a site for promotional profiles. [[User:Karenthewriter|Karenthewriter]] ([[User talk:Karenthewriter|talk]]) 03:57, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:::The [[User:Alexandracraig]] account variously identifies as both this named person and their agent, and are also using a separate variation of that username on commons, and also the agent-name matches an account editing this topic on commons. Alexandracraig, stop. Stop right now. What you are doing is in violation of multiple policies on both enwiki and commons, and the fundamental Terms of Service. I have blocked the similar-name on commons for multi-account abuse there and if any further evidence of account sharing is seen I will also block this account here. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 04:18, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

== Edit source ==

Hi! I added some content to a Wikipedia article (poverty industrial complex). Now, when I go to edit the page, it says "edit source" instead of edit and I can only edit in code, which I don't know how to write. Can anyone help me get it back so I can edit the page regularly? I appreciate your help! [[User:Spatton27|Spatton27]] ([[User talk:Spatton27|talk]]) 02:13, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Spatton27|Spatton27]]: When I go to [[Poverty industrial complex]], I see both "Edit" and "Edit source" tabs.  When you go to [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing]], in the "Editing mode" dropdown, you might want to change it to "Always give me the visual editor, if possible". [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 02:39, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
::Hello, {{u|Spatton27}}. The source editor is fully functional while the visual editor has major gaps in its functionality. I suggest that you take a look at [[Help:Cheatsheet]]. The wikicode used in the source editor is really quite simple and I was able to learn it quickly despite not being a computer professional. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 02:54, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Weird, I still only see the option to edit source. I don't see "edit." But I will try to learn the wikicode. Thanks! [[User:Spatton27|Spatton27]] ([[User talk:Spatton27|talk]]) 18:23, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
::::Try messing around with the settings at [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing]]. Something may have been changed there. [[User:Ca|Ca]] <sup><i>[[User talk:Ca|talk to me!]]</i></sup> 05:59, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

== How is possible make a article draft better about How to buy property in Brazil as a foreigner? ==

Hi, please I need help for we can help people to avoid scams on Brazilian real estate market. 


My draft is : [[Draft:How to buy Property in Brazil with Tourist Visa?]]


Thanks :) [[User:Imoveisavista|Imoveisavista]] ([[User talk:Imoveisavista|talk]]) 07:45, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:{{ping|Imoveisavista}} Wikipedia isn't the place for that, per [[WP:NOTHOWTO]].--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] [[User talk:Jasper Deng|(talk)]] 07:54, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::I would add that blogs are not considered reliable sources and so can't be used to support content in any article – see [[WP:BLOGS]]. [[User:Tollens|Tollens]] ([[User talk:Tollens|talk]]) 07:56, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

== Signature ==

Hey, I have seen several people here in Wikipedia with colorful and beautiful signatures.. How can I make one for mine.. Can someone tell me ? [[User:TheProEditor11|TheProEditor11]] ([[User talk:TheProEditor11|talk]]) 04:48, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:TheProEditor11|TheProEditor11]]. The [[WP:CUSTOMSIG]] page tells you the technical details and rules for custom signatures. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 04:49, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::Per that page: "''A distracting, confusing, or otherwise unsuitable signature may adversely affect other users. ''". Please don't. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 09:46, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

== Writing a personal article ==

Hello!

I am Taymia Beldjilali. I am new to Wikipedia, that is why I am asking if you could help me know how to write a new personal article. And I want to write about science. [[User:Taymia Beldjilali|Taymia Beldjilali]] ([[User talk:Taymia Beldjilali|talk]]) 10:17, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

:Hello @[[User:Taymia Beldjilali|Taymia Beldjilali]] and welcome to Wikipedia!
:Making an acceptable WP-article without having any/very little experience in WP-editing is ''difficult''. It is strongly recommended that you spend some time editing/improving existing articles first, to get an idea how this place works.
:On how to make a WP-article. First make sure there isn't an article on the subject already. Then see [[WP:BACKWARD]]. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem!", move on to [[Help:Your first article]]. It is also absolutely essential that you learn how to add references correctly, I can't stress this enough. [[WP:TUTORIAL]] has guidance on that. Hope this helps some. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 10:35, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::Just to add also that if by "personal article" you mean you would like to create an article about yourself, then... don't. For reasons why that's not a good idea, please see [[WP:AUTOBIO]]. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 10:52, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:::You have submitted your draft twice, ( [[User:Taymia Beldjilali/sandbox]]) but we already have an article on the topic [[Cell (biology)]] and please note that articles are based on what reliable published sources say about a topic, your draft seems to be a personal essay which is not allowed here. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 11:00, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

== How to know if posted research is still current or has been debunked? ==

Case in point: the Dunning-Kruger effect
Follow-up studies (Edward Nuhfer and colleagues, Gilles Gignac and Marcin Zajenkowski have shown that the original work done by Dunning, Kruger was mis-presented (may not have been intentional) and actually caused autocorrelation which presented their hypothesis.
How do we notate wiki to indicated that the DKE is NOT true based on proper representation of their study data?
Maybe a dedicated wiki section (on each wiki page) to add updated links, scoring, confidence rating. << just some thoughts [[User:Bradtech13|Bradtech13]] ([[User talk:Bradtech13|talk]]) 07:43, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Bradtech13|Bradtech13]] The [[Dunning-Kruger effect]] is rated as a Good article. If you have suggestions for improvement, please make them on its Talk Page at [[Talk:Dunning–Kruger effect]]. The article has over 2,000 page watchers, so you should get an informed response there. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 12:15, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

== Creating a new page ==

How do I create a new page like for instance, if I created a page about clocks, how would I create that? [[User:Beebuzz2|Beebuzz2]] ([[User talk:Beebuzz2|talk]]) 03:04, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

:[[User:Beebuzz2|Beebuzz2]], technically, all you have to do is go to the desired page title, such as [[User:Beebuzz2/sandbox]] or [[Clock article]] and create the page.
:However, it is very hard to actually create a good article. See [[WP:YFA|the guide on your first article]]; it is not recommended to create an article until you have a decent knowledge of the many policies and guidelines that exist. Instead, it is recommended to start with easy edits, as recommended by [[Special:Homepage|your newcomer homepage]], and slowly work your way up to adding references, adding sections, etc. which is great preparation for creating a new article. Happy editing! [[User:Sungodtemple|Sungodtemple]] ([[User talk:Sungodtemple|talk]] &#8226; [[Special:Contributions/Sungodtemple|contribs]]) 03:54, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Beebuzz2|Beebuzz2]] For a topic as broad as clocks, you would first have to check that Wikipedia doesn't already have an existing article you could improve: e.g. by looking at [[:Category:Clocks]]. If you were sure your proposal was new, then [[WP:BACKWARD|this essay]] gives good advice. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 12:21, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

== Wikipedia Adventure not working? ==

I'm pretty new, and a lot of places people will say "oh, go to Wikipedia Adventure. You can learn to edit Wikipedia really quickly!" But, I've tried doing it and it just won't work for me. Can someone please help? Link: [[The Wikipedia Adventure]] <span style="font-family: Garamond;">''[[User:五颜六色|<span style="color: #0000cc">五颜</span>]]''<span style="font-family: Garamond;">''[[User Talk:五颜六色|<span style="color: #990099">六色⩥</span>]]''</span></span> 19:31, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

:[[User:五颜六色|五颜六色]] what about it doesn't work? Maybe try scrolling down to the place where it lists 'missions' and click on Mission 1. [[User:Sungodtemple|Sungodtemple]] ([[User talk:Sungodtemple|talk]] &#8226; [[Special:Contributions/Sungodtemple|contribs]]) 19:40, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::[[File:The Wikipedia Adventure.png|thumb|The Wikipedia Adventure screen that is not working]]
::I did... but all it shows is a blank dark blue page with the background illustrations. <span style="font-family: Garamond;">''[[User:五颜六色|<span style="color: #0000cc">五颜</span>]]''<span style="font-family: Garamond;">''[[User Talk:五颜六色|<span style="color: #990099">六色⩥</span>]]''</span></span> 19:47, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::Hello, {{u|五颜六色}}. [[WP:TWA|The Wikipedia Adventure]] only works with the original source editor. if you are using the [[WP:VE|visual editor]], it will not work. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 20:24, 23 November 2023 (UTC)8
:::How do you get to the original source editor? <span style="font-family: Garamond;">''[[User:五颜六色|<span style="color: #0000cc">五颜</span>]]''<span style="font-family: Garamond;">''[[User Talk:五颜六色|<span style="color: #990099">六色⩥</span>]]''</span></span> 20:26, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::::@[[User:五颜六色|五颜六色]]: {{welcometea}} Go to {{myprefs|Editing|Editing mode}} and see if it's set to "Show me both editor tabs". If that is is enabled then you'll see an "edit source" link at the top of the page. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 20:30, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::I did, but the screen still stays the same. The only buttons on the top of the screen are read, view source, view history, add to watchlist and subscribe. Also, when I click view source there's a message saying that I probably shouldn't be there. <span style="font-family: Garamond;">''[[User:五颜六色|<span style="color: #0000cc">五颜</span>]]''<span style="font-family: Garamond;">''[[User Talk:五颜六色|<span style="color: #990099">六色⩥</span>]]''</span></span> 22:35, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::Are you clicking the {{button|Start the adventure}} button? —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 22:59, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::Yes <span style="font-family: Garamond;">''[[User:五颜六色|<span style="color: #0000cc">五颜</span>]]''<span style="font-family: Garamond;">''[[User Talk:五颜六色|<span style="color: #990099">六色⩥</span>]]''</span></span> 23:28, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::::It should bring you to a pop-up, which should send you to another popup. Do you have Javascript enabled for this site? —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 01:21, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::Yes, I checked my settings and it is enabled. However, I have never seen any popups. <span style="font-family: Garamond;">''[[User:五颜六色|<span style="color: #0000cc">五颜</span>]]''<span style="font-family: Garamond;">''[[User Talk:五颜六色|<span style="color: #990099">六色⩥</span>]]''</span></span> 01:04, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::Do you have popups disabled in your browser? [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:15, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::I don't think so, but how to check to make sure? <span style="font-family: Garamond;">''[[User:五颜六色|<span style="color: #0000cc">五颜</span>]]''<span style="font-family: Garamond;">''[[User Talk:五颜六色|<span style="color: #990099">六色⩥</span>]]''</span></span> 14:23, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

== Edits reverted ==

Hello. Recently, i have made a couple edits to make certain articles have a more neutral point of view. Unfortunately, however, they keep getting reverted, with insults and disparaging remarks, and when i seek clarification as to why it has been reverted, i get no response. Please let me know how to fix this issue, and i would like the guidance of an experienced editor who also had to deal with neutrality issues [[User:Adenyoyo|Adenyoyo]] ([[User talk:Adenyoyo|talk]]) 14:07, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

:Hello. I assume this refers to your edits to [[The Atlantic]]. If you want to say in Wikipedia's voice that it is a leftist publication in the lead, you must first establish a [[WP:CONSENSUS|consensus]] to do so on the talk page, and demonstrate that the preponderance of [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] describe it that way. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 14:17, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::I think this is also in reference to disputed edits at [[Misogynist terrorism]]. You are already participating in a discussion on the Talk page of that article and should continue until consensus is reached, or if not, there are other options. Your proposal that other people stop editing the article - including reverting your changes - is not acceptable. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 14:24, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

== Bots for Wikipedia ==
{{Disregard|title=OP indeffed for NOTHERE}} [[User:Folly Mox|Folly Mox]] ([[User talk:Folly Mox|talk]]) 16:51, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
Hey Fellow Wikipedians, I was wondering how you can make a bot for Wikipedia? Is that even possible for normal wiki users or do u have to be in the IT department for Wikipedia?

See u later, [[User:DieCrewls22 |DieCrewls22]] 08:09, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:{{ping|DieCrewls22}} Bots are all community-operated! You can certainly develop and run one, but there are stringent requirements and you need some proficiency in software engineering. See [[Wikipedia:Bots]].--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] [[User talk:Jasper Deng|(talk)]] 08:13, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:{{ping|DieCrewls22}} Yes, it is possible for anyone to create a bot, but for the bot to be permitted to edit outside of its own userspace you would need to submit a [[WP:BRFA|request for approval]]. For the process of creating the bot itself, see [[WP:CREATEBOT]]. [[User:Tollens|Tollens]] ([[User talk:Tollens|talk]]) 08:13, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:Thanks Guys! [[User:DieCrewls22 |DieCrewls22]] 08:14, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

== Draft ==

How can I change the name of the draft? [[Special:Contributions/178.204.152.206|178.204.152.206]] ([[User talk:178.204.152.206|talk]]) 16:46, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:{{courtesy link|Draft:Ochurdyap}} <span style="border: 1px solid #0000FF ;color:#0000FF; padding:0px 7px;border-radius:10px"><b>[[User:NightWolf1223|NW1223]]&lt;[[User talk:NightWolf1223|Howl at me]]&bull;[[Special:Contributions/NightWolf1223|My hunts]]&gt;</b></span> 17:01, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:Hello, and welcome! Are you the same person as [[User:Nightmaretime9999]]? If so, you can log into your account and [[WP:MOVE|move]] the page. <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- [[User:Maddy from Celeste|Maddy from Celeste]] ([[User talk:Maddy from Celeste|WAVEDASH]])</b> 17:04, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

== Заблокирован я ... очевидно, наглыми дебилами ! ==

+ "При вопросах можете обратиться к участнику Викизавр. — 12:16, 21 ноября 2023 (UTC)"
_ уже не могу прямо к нему обратиться.
_ Имею диплом инженера технолога по резине, и удивясь слабой здесь статье "ЭЛАСТОМЕР"
пытался дополнить её серьёзными сведениями об этом материале, вечно неразлучном с каждым человеком - от игрушек, резинок трусов, шин вело-авто-авиа - транспорта, ... ... 
и неизменном участнике в агрегатных веществах, например, при пересечения колесом лужи :
жидкость, твёрдое тело обода и газа в оболочке из эластомера в основе.

_ Очевидно, я разошёлся с ублюдками в понимании Википедии -
энциклопедии, поддерживаемой на современном уровне её УЧАСТНИКАМИ.

_ На главной странице Википедии нужно иметь ОЖИДАНИЕ улучшения и новых
статей с безупречным ОБОСНОВАНИЕМ, мгновенно размещаемым, и сопровождаемым
укорами в слабом обосновании, что ставит метку "для удаления", если это верно 
и будет улучшения. Но блокировать дебилам всё равно недопустимо. [[User:Виктор Рахман|Виктор Рахман]] ([[User talk:Виктор Рахман|talk]]) 12:02, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

:Machine translation:
:'''I was blocked... obviously by arrogant morons!'''
: + “If you have questions, you can contact the Wikisaurus member. - 12:16, November 21, 2023 (UTC)” _ I can no longer contact him directly. _ I have a diploma as a rubber technologist, and, surprised by the weak article “ELASTOMER” here, I tried to supplement it with serious information about this material, always inseparable from every person - from toys, elastic bands of panties, tires for bicycles, cars, air transport, .... .. and an invariable participant in aggregate substances, for example, when a wheel crosses a puddle: liquid, solid body of the rim and gas in an elastomer shell at the base. 
:_ Obviously, I disagreed with the bastards in their understanding of Wikipedia - an encyclopedia maintained at the modern level by its PARTICIPANTS. 
:_ On the main page of Wikipedia, you need to have an EXPECTATION for improvement and new articles with an impeccable JUSTIFICATION, instantly posted, and accompanied by reproaches for weak rationale, which puts a mark "for deletion" if this is true and there will be improvements. But blocking morons is still unacceptable. Victor Rakhman [[User:Tollens|Tollens]] ([[User talk:Tollens|talk]]) 12:04, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:{{ping|Виктор Рахман}} You appear to have been blocked at the Russian Wikipedia, a completely different project than the English Wikipedia. None of us are able to help effectively with matters there, you should instead continue to engage with the administrators there. Additionally, please try to communicate in English, or provide a machine translation if you cannot – very few of us speak Russian.
:Машинный перевод: Вас, похоже, заблокировали в русской Википедии, совершенно другом проекте, чем английская Википедия. Никто из нас не может эффективно помочь там с делами, вместо этого вам следует продолжать взаимодействовать с тамошними администраторами. Кроме того, постарайтесь общаться на английском языке или, если не можете, предоставьте машинный перевод — очень немногие из нас говорят по-русски. [[User:Tollens|Tollens]] ([[User talk:Tollens|talk]]) 12:12, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::---------------------
:: _ Знаю только родной язык. _ Но мне ине и не требуется помощь от
::русских дебилов! _ А им ... никто сможет помочь.
::Росvотрите :
::https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wh26VWtwsKG-VVnUE1QiLCwhdkqW6TJK/view?usp=drive_link
::----- ```` [[User:Виктор Рахман|Виктор Рахман]] ([[User talk:Виктор Рахман|talk]]) 12:36, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Machine translation:
:::_I only know my native language. _But I don’t even need help from
:::Russian morons! _And... no one can help them.
:::View:
:::(link) [[User:Tollens|Tollens]] ([[User talk:Tollens|talk]]) 12:39, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:::is this about the ''english'' wikipedia?
:::речь идет о ''английской'' википедии? [[user:ltbdl|ltb]][[user:ltbdl/d|<span style="color:orange">d</span>]][[user:ltbdl|l]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|talk]]) 13:00, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::::----------------
::::_ Искал нормального админа на русской, но СВОЛОЛОЧИ меня заблокировали,
::::так что нашёл я вариант только через Чайхану ... дать информацию ... . [[User:Виктор Рахман|Виктор Рахман]] ([[User talk:Виктор Рахман|talk]]) 14:32, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::{{tqb|I was looking for a normal admin on Russian, but the bastards blocked me, so the only option I found was through Teahouse... to give information ... .}}
:::::the english wikipedia can't do anything about the russian wikipedia.
:::::английская википедия ничего не может сделать с русской википедией.
:::::i'm using machine translation, by the way.
:::::кстати, я использую машинный перевод. [[user:ltbdl|ltb]][[user:ltbdl/d|<span style="color:orange">d</span>]][[user:ltbdl|l]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|talk]]) 14:51, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::К сожалению, мы в английском проекте Википидии не можем помогать тебе на русском проекте. У каждый язычный проект есть автономия в делах администрации. Тебе надо запрашивать помощь на русском проекте, либо Metawiki [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page]. <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 14:58, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::---------------
::::::Спасибо! Помощь не нужна. [[User:Виктор Рахман|Виктор Рахман]] ([[User talk:Виктор Рахман|talk]]) 17:38, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

== Website on BLP ==

I am looking at [[Taylor Swift]]'s page and it includes her own website of www.taylorswift.com, what is the WP policy regarding having someone's own website within their infobox of their WP page? [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 17:34, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]], welcome to the Teahouse! The guideline is at [[WP:ELOFFICIAL]] and is permitted. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">'''[[User:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">Qcne</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span>]]</small></span> 17:43, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

== Paragraph break in lead section ==

Hi Wikipedians - I recently edited the [[Intimate relationship]] page, and I’m having trouble inserting a paragraph break in the lead section. I have inserted a break while editing, but then when I publish the page it just looks like a big block of text. Is there some code I can input to force a paragraph break? I didn’t have problems creating paragraphs in the rest of the article so I am confused! If anyone else is able to input one, I'm trying to start a new paragraph right before: "The course of an intimate relationship . . . "

Thank you! [[User:A.mollusk|A.mollusk]] ([[User talk:A.mollusk|talk]]) 18:35, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

:Problem solved, thank you to a helpful editor :) [[User:A.mollusk|A.mollusk]] ([[User talk:A.mollusk|talk]]) 18:39, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:I'm not sure why, but [[Special:Diff/1186982564|inserting a newline]] before the first paragraph fixed it. <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- [[User:Maddy from Celeste|Maddy from Celeste]] ([[User talk:Maddy from Celeste|WAVEDASH]])</b> 18:40, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

== Modifying an edit summary ==

I modified a draft article, and my edit summary left out something important.  Is there a way to modify the summary?  I'm not seeing one. [[User:Johsebb|Johsebb]] ([[User talk:Johsebb|talk]]) 18:59, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

:Hello and welcome. There is no means to alter an edit summary. If needed, you can edit the draft talk page to provide an explanation, or you may make a "dummy edit"(usually adding a space to the draft) and use that edit summary. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 19:02, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks. [[User:Johsebb|Johsebb]] ([[User talk:Johsebb|talk]]) 19:04, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

== Should I just merge an article that no one edited recently? ==

Wikipedia guidlines say that you should reach consensus, but this article [[Southwest Transitway (Winnipeg)]] hasn't been edited since 2021 except for one bot and I think it should be merged into the section about it in [[Winnipeg RT]]. I don't think a consensus can be reached anywhere near soon and don't see any good reason anyone would object. Should I just be bold? [[User:OrdinaryGiraffe|OrdinaryGiraffe]] ([[User talk:OrdinaryGiraffe|talk]]) 16:09, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:Hello, @[[User:OrdinaryGiraffe|OrdinaryGiraffe]], and welcome to the Teahouse! That nobody has edited it recently doesn't necessarily mean that nobody is interested in discussing whether it should be merged. I'd follow the procedure for proposing a merge, and wait about a week before going through with the merge if nobody objects. <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- [[User:Maddy from Celeste|Maddy from Celeste]] ([[User talk:Maddy from Celeste|WAVEDASH]])</b> 16:13, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::Ok, thank you. [[User:OrdinaryGiraffe|OrdinaryGiraffe]] ([[User talk:OrdinaryGiraffe|talk]]) 16:18, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::P.S. Should I post it on the talk page of Winnipeg RT as well, or just Southwest Transitway (Winnipeg)? [[User:OrdinaryGiraffe|OrdinaryGiraffe]] ([[User talk:OrdinaryGiraffe|talk]]) 16:20, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:::The usual practice is to discuss on the talk page of the article you want to merge into, and add {{tl|merge from}} and {{tl|merge to}} to the actual articles. <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- [[User:Maddy from Celeste|Maddy from Celeste]] ([[User talk:Maddy from Celeste|WAVEDASH]])</b> 16:23, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::::Oh, I thought it was the other way around. Thank you. [[User:OrdinaryGiraffe|OrdinaryGiraffe]] ([[User talk:OrdinaryGiraffe|talk]]) 16:25, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::[[WP:MERGEPROP]] is the process, and indeed the discussion goes on the destination page. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 19:32, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

== Is this article ready for submission, if not what could I improve? ==

[[Draft:The Jackson 5 Second National Tour]] [[User:Thealt3786|Thealt3786]] ([[User talk:Thealt3786|talk]]) 18:06, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Thealt3786|Thealt3786]]: I added three {{tl|unreferenced section}} tags to help you.  I also suggest that each reference has (at a minimum) a magazine/publisher/website/work and a title parameter with a name that doesn't duplicate the magazine/publisher/website/work.  Happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 20:22, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

== copy references for a list? ==

Hi there,

I'm making a list: [[Draft:List of earliest tools and their use]]. I worked hard to make sure each item either has its own references, or links to another wikipedia page, but not both. I figure the other wikipedia pages have their own references and if I copy them, my list's references will just get out of date while the in-depth wikipedia pages' references get updated over time. But my reviewer rejected my draft for not including its own references for each item. How do you suggest I handle this? Should I just copy the references and never mind the issue of getting out of date? Or is there a better way to link to the in-depth wikipedia pages for a list? Or some other option I haven't thought of?

Thanks!

- Jon [[User:Jonrbrix|Jonrbrix]] ([[User talk:Jonrbrix|talk]]) 20:34, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:Hi, @[[User:Jonrbrix|Jonrbrix]], and welcome to the Teahouse! The relevant guideline here is [[WP:LISTVERIFY]], according to which lists need to follow the same standards for [[WP:V|verifiability]] as other articles. Consider that even if an article on the list were to be updated, the list would need to be updated separately anyway. Also, [[WP:WINRS|Wikipedia is not a reliable source]]. So yes, do cite sources in lists, too. <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- [[User:Maddy from Celeste|Maddy from Celeste]] ([[User talk:Maddy from Celeste|WAVEDASH]])</b> 20:41, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks @[[User:Maddy from Celeste|Maddy from Celeste]]!! Will do. [[User:Jonrbrix|Jonrbrix]] ([[User talk:Jonrbrix|talk]]) 20:54, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

==Image from JSTOR==
I want to use an image in JSTOR for a Wikipedia article. It is unclear to me if I am allowed to. The image is [https://www.jstor.org/stable/community.21215924 here]. [[User:TwoScars|TwoScars]] ([[User talk:TwoScars|talk]]) 16:32, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:It looks like the answer is no - https://about.jstor.org/terms/#prohibited-use - no commercial use = no use on wikipedia. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 16:42, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks [[User:TwoScars|TwoScars]] ([[User talk:TwoScars|talk]]) 17:33, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:TwoScars|TwoScars]] A better bet might be to contact the Museum that holds the original: [https://www.cmog.org/artwork/bottle-seal-richard-wistar?search=collection%3A61e62c2d735058a8f0155ad5303249de&page=1 this image] and [https://info.cmog.org/terms-use-privacy-policy these terms]. Museums are often helpful in providing images etc. for Wikipedia. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 16:58, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks, will do. [[User:TwoScars|TwoScars]] ([[User talk:TwoScars|talk]]) 17:33, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:::No worries. I will contact CMOG to see if I can use it, find a different source, or not have an image. [[User:TwoScars|TwoScars]] ([[User talk:TwoScars|talk]]) 22:34, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
{{collapse top|trolling}}
:I would just upload a screen shot of it on commons and say it’s your own photo. They usually don’t look very much into uploads, but it you think it’s going to be a problem you could also upload a few of them from different accounts. They won’t be able to find them all. [[User:Kojavak|Kojavak]] ([[User talk:Kojavak|talk]]) 01:43, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::{{ping|Kojavak}} Please stop wading into discussions you are not qualified to participate in. This is dangerously wrong advice: [[commons:Commons:Licensing]] and [[WP:SOCK]] are both taken seriously.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] [[User talk:Jasper Deng|(talk)]] 01:45, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Can you please cite the policy that prohibits me from participating? [[User:Kojavak|Kojavak]] ([[User talk:Kojavak|talk]]) 01:58, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::::The advice you gave is blatantly wrong. In the case of the teahouse, [[Wikipedia:Teahouse/Become a host]] requires that you have at least 500 edits. More generally, the persistent giving of bad or incorrect advice could be construed as [[WP:DE|disruptive editing]].--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] [[User talk:Jasper Deng|(talk)]] 02:02, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::That’s great, except I never claimed to be a host. So, where is the policy that prohibits me from answering questions? [[User:Kojavak|Kojavak]] ([[User talk:Kojavak|talk]]) 02:10, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::{{ping|Kojavak}} Stop [[WP:Wikilawyering|wikilawyering]]. Consistently giving bad advice, whether intentional or not, is unconstructive and thus [[WP:DE|disruptive]]. So is wasting the time of other editors who have to clean up after you.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] [[User talk:Jasper Deng|(talk)]] 02:13, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::{{ping|Kojavak}}, you have advised the OP to break the law, to ignore Wikipedia policy regarding copyright, and to use sockpuppets. You have given blatantly false information about how the people at Commons operate. Thats four pieces os seriously wrong advice in one short reply. I am required to assume good faith, but you make it difficult. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 16:34, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::<small>{{ping|Maproom}} they're already blocked. <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- [[User:Maddy from Celeste|Maddy from Celeste]] ([[User talk:Maddy from Celeste|WAVEDASH]])</b> 16:37, 26 November 2023 (UTC)</small>
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== Radio call signs ==

I'm developing an interest for local radio and television stations. For infoboxes, they have a parameter for call sign meanings. I'm not really sure how people find the meaning of them, and I want to make sure I avoid [[WP:OR|original research]]. Thanks, [[User:TrademarkedTarantula|<span style="color: green">Tarantula</span><span style="color: black"><sup>TM</sup></span>]] ([[User talk:TrademarkedTarantula|speak with me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/TrademarkedTarantula|my legacy]]) 20:59, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:TrademarkedTarantula|TrademarkedTarantula]]: Welcome to the Teahouse!  Like every other piece of information in the article, the meaning for the call sign should be a published source.  You might find it on the station's web site, or in a magazine/newspaper article.  Happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 00:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

== What defines a "reliable source" on Wikipedia ==

Ok, I know what reliable means, but what are some sites that are classified as "''reliable''", according to Wikipedia? I got rejected for article becuase I didn't have "''reliable sources''", but what is the fine line between "''reliable''" and "''not reliable''"? I am just asking to improve my article.

Oh, and by the way, here is the link to my draft: [[Draft:Virgin Atlantic Flight 43]]


Thanks to everyone that can help,

Westwind51000 [[User:Westwind51000|Westwind51000]] ([[User talk:Westwind51000|talk]]) 02:41, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

:As you'll see on [[WP:RS]], there is intentionally a "spectrum of reliability", you could say. Since the world of information is messy, certain types of sources and certain outlets are deemed reliable for certain purposes depending on context.
:Keeping in mind aviation is not my field of expertise:
:* Simple Flying seems like it could be reliable: it has a stated [https://simpleflying.com/page/fact-checking-policy/ fact checking policy], though I am troubled that it doesn't actually appear to say much about the process itself.
:* However, FlyerTalk seems less likely to be reliable, as it itself describes itself as a 'community' rather than a news outlet, and it doesn't appear to have any posted guarantees regarding the veracity of its information or its own sources. It may even be user-generated, based on how it presents itself, but I'm not sure.
:Additionally, these sources could be considered marginally reliable within an article if they were used alongside other, diverse sources  that were saying the same thing, but I do not think by themselves they provide adequate sourcing for an article. Try to locate sources from general news outlets, perhaps?
:[[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:2px 0 0 2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:1px 3px;color:#000">留</span>]] 02:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks Remsense, I'm trying to find new sources right now [[User:Westwind51000|Westwind51000]] ([[User talk:Westwind51000|talk]]) 02:54, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Westwind51000|Westwind51000]]: See [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources]] for commonly discussed sources of varying reliability, and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Resources]] for a list more specific to your draft.  Happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 03:14, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

== Photographing of faceless people ==

On the page [[Billy Woods]], a rapper who remains faceless. Though, a picture of him exists on Wikimedia Commons performing at a concert. I added this photo to the article’s infobox, but was removed by another editor, stating: “''Billy Woods historically wishes not to have images of his face posted or published. Every official depiction of him is covered or censored in some way, and putting up a photo like this is disrespectful to those wishes.''” The photo of Woods remains on Commons, but isn’t wanted on the article itself. What should I do? [[User:Roastedbeanz1|Roasted]] ([[User talk:Roastedbeanz1|talk]]) 02:52, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:Hello, {{u|Roastedbeanz1}}. I have restored the image based on the policy language found at [[WP:NOTCENSORED|Wikipedia is not censored]]. We have an image of [[Baháʼu'lláh]], the founder of a religion that strenuously opposes publication of that portrait. Also applicable is [[Wikipedia:Ownership of content]]. This article does not belong to Woods or his fans. It is an article about Woods but he does not control it. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 03:39, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

:I believe you may be in the right here, as [[WP:CENSOR|Wikipedia is not censored.]] See also [[WP:PUBLICFIGURE]].  [[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:3px 0 0 3px;padding:4px 3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:2px;color:#000">聊</span>]] 03:35, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Roastedbeanz1|Roastedbeanz1]] Remsense is correct: Wikipedia is not censored, so we don't remove pictures on the wish or whim of a subject or their followers. (Ummm, precedent is clear on that.) The way to proceed is also to discuss the matter at the article's talk page. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 03:37, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:[[User:Roastedbeanz1|Roastedbeanz1]] someone from my city is the same. He always wears a balaclava in public, in videos, and on TV, when he's with his crew. I have no idea why. However just over a year ago, his face could seen for 6 seconds in an episode of web-series by a world famous deejay, as the deejay arrived backstage at a festival, and they met each other. He probably didn't realise they were filming until it was too late.
:When I can be bothered adding that web-series and it's 36 episodes so far to IMDB (and maybe Wikipedia in future, although I'll probably leave that to someone else), I'll be making sure I upload at least 1 screenshot of him with a tag to his profile.
:He coincidentally looks like a fatter version of someone who made the news yesterday, as they were arrested and PAVA sprayed by the Metropolitan Police for no reason. [[User:Danstarr69|Danstarr69]] ([[User talk:Danstarr69|talk]]) 05:09, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

== Help with article ==
Hi Wikipedians - I recently created a painter [[Draft:Ding Rong|page]]  and are having trouble finding out where is the inappropriate part. Can you help me identify it? Thank you! [[User:Rk9000|Rk9000]] ([[User talk:Rk9000|talk]]) 20:14, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:So, the primary issue, much more than the tone issue, which can be easily fixed, is the issue of the images. Wikipedia articles cannot host images if Wikipedia doesn't have the explicit right to do so, and none of those images seem like they have been properly licensed. Do you have any information on the source of each image? If they are not [[Wikipedia:FAQ/Copyright|explicitly licensed]] in a way where they can be used, then copyright law mandates that they are under the exclusive copyright of the original author. [[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:3px 0 0 3px;padding:4px 3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:2px;color:#000">聊</span>]] 20:20, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::Having so many images also is overwhelming the article. I'm not sure if that is the "tone" issue someone else sees. But it gives a feel of using the article itself as a sort of exhibition. Instead the written text is the main type of content an article should have. Images should mainly be used to help support the words. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 20:27, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:::I see [[User:Tagishsimon]] has done some image-use cleanup. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 21:42, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::::They were the poster-child for "''Wikipedia is not an image repository. A gallery is not a tool to shoehorn images into an article, and a gallery consisting of an indiscriminate collection of images of the article subject should generally either be improved in accordance with the below paragraphs or moved to Wikimedia Commons. ''" per [[WP:GALLERY]]. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 21:45, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::<small>Nice double (triple maybe?) ententre with "poster child". [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 21:52, 26 November 2023 (UTC)</small>
:::::Ding Rong, if this article makes into mainspace and lots of images are accepted on commons, we'd have a category on commons to collect them and then the enwiki article would automatically link to that cat there. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 21:55, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::It is [[:commons:Category:Rong Ding]], to match the draft article-content. Rk9000, I know surname conventions vary among cultures and countries, but it's particularly confusing that "Rong Ding...also known as DING Rong" is at article-title "Ding Rong". [[WP:ZHNAME]] has the guideline for the page-name. If the name-order for the category should be switched, feel free to ask me, it's an easy task. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 07:53, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
::There is a ticket in VRT for them, awaiting handling by the VRT volunteers. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 21:41, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:Noting that Rk9000 also today asked the tagger for a more detailed explanation. That's definitely a great approach, and worth waiting a day or two for response. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 20:29, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Rk9000|Rk9000]]: Welcome to the Teahouse!  Looking at [[Draft:Ding Rong]], I think you could add more information about each photo.  Where and when was the photo of Ding Rong taken?  Where and when was the exhibition described on the poster?   Where and when was the photograph of the exhibition taken?  Thanks, and happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 00:30, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

== Help with a Draft ==

I recently submitted an article, [[Draft:MBTA Kinki Sharyo Type 7]], and it got denied due to an inadequate amount of secondary sources. Since the denial, I've added a few sources from what I interpret to be secondary, mainly hailing from the Boston Globe. I was wondering if these sources are actually considered secondary, or if their content pushes them into primary sources? I'd greatly appreciate feedback, thanks in advance! [[User:Archangelectra|Archangelectra]] ([[User talk:Archangelectra|talk]]) 00:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

:[[User:Archangelectra|Archangelectra]] would have been great if you could name the sources themselves rather than force me to go to page history and look it up. [http://web.archive.org/web/20011221203456/www.geocities.com/newtontransit/guide/greenline.html] sounds like a blog, and has two sentences on the specific vehicle. [https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/01/17/mbta-auctioning-off-old-green-line-trains-buses/] is only a name-drop. The Boston Globe ones are paywalled, so I don't know if they contain significant coverage. [[User:Sungodtemple|Sungodtemple]] ([[User talk:Sungodtemple|talk]] &#8226; [[Special:Contributions/Sungodtemple|contribs]]) 02:10, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
::Regarding source 5, that's fair. I'll investigate further but you seem to be right. In source 6, it mentions how type 7 vehicles were auctioned off by the MBTA. And while I am not encouraging it, there are methods to bypass these paywalls, and I've seen several sources that have been paywalled in the past utilized on Wikipedia. Apologies regarding not naming the sources though, that's completely my fault. Apologies. [[User:Archangelectra|Archangelectra]] ([[User talk:Archangelectra|talk]]) 02:28, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Hello, Archangelectra. It is perfectly acceptable to cite sources behind paywalls, provided they are reliable and independent (see [[WP:PAYWALL]]). However it may mean that particular reviewers have difficulty checking them. 
:::There are resources within Wikipedia to get access to content which is in some way restricted: see [[WP:RX]] and [[WP:The Wikipedia Library|The Wikipedia Library]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 12:21, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

== Please help me get my article posted ==

recently I decided to create a page for my favorite ship class, and it continues to get rejected again and again. 

It is because of insufficient sources, but in of the sources is holland america itself! [[User:Gulf of mind|Gulf of mind]] ([[User talk:Gulf of mind|talk]]) 03:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Gulf of mind|Gulf of mind]]: Welcome to the Teahouse!  As stated on the top of the draft, you will need to provide multiple independent sources.  I don't think the Fincanteri and Fred Olsen Cruise Lines web pages would count as independent sources. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 04:08, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
:Hello, {{tpq|Gulf of mind}}. When you write {{tpq|holland america itself!}}, that indicates that you do not yet understand that acceptable Wikipedia articles mostly summarize what completely ''independent '' sources say about the topic. The sort of sources that you mentioned are ''not'' independent of the topic, and are therefore of no value in establishing the notability of the topic. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 07:28, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
:Hello, Gulf of mind. Please understand that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in [[WP:reliable sources|reliable sources]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 12:23, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

== Hi ==

Hi, I'm having problems with editing [[User:Xandersmaster123|Xandersmaster123]] ([[User talk:Xandersmaster123|talk]]) 09:06, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
:You edited [[Languages of Israel]] to state that German is the first or second language of every Israeli. German was a common language circa 1947, but no longer. Your edits were reverted. If you believe your changes were true (they are not) then you needed to provide references as the same time. As a general principle, once reverted, editors are advised to start a discussion on the Talk page of the article rather than ask here at Teahouse. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 09:19, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
::{{u|Xandersmaster123}} You did it again. Stop or you risk being indefinitely blocked. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 13:53, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

== can/should new users remove "this article needs work" type template boxes? ==

Hello, I'm a new editor who has worked on two existing biography article pages -- [[Arden Eversmeyer]] and [[Susan Schulz]] -- that had been flagged as needing improvements, expansions, and updates. I've done this work, but because of my new-ness did not feel comfortable removing the "this article needs work" template boxes. In both cases I added a note to the Talk page asking for a more experienced editor to weigh in. Was this the right step for me to take? Or should I have just gone ahead and removed the template boxes? P.S. Susan Schulz's short explainer saying "American magazine editor" doesn't show up when you link to/search her name. Thank you [[User:LowellMillGirl|LowellMillGirl]] ([[User talk:LowellMillGirl|talk]]) 14:38, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|LowellMillGirl}} there are thousands upon thousands of articles that have these templates, so any help is appreciated. If you think the issues are no longer present, then go ahead and remove the tags. 15:04, 27 November 2023 (UTC) [[User:WikiOriginal-9|<span style="color: blue">'''''~WikiOriginal-9~'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:WikiOriginal-9|<span style="color: blue">'''talk'''</span>]]) 15:04, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you! I'll do that. [[User:LowellMillGirl|LowellMillGirl]] ([[User talk:LowellMillGirl|talk]]) 15:38, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

== A draft was declined ==

I submitted [[Draft:Moa Ilar]] for review and it was declined, and I really can't understand why. One of the reasons was "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources.", there are references to news coverage in mainstream media in the article.

Another reason was "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article". It clearly shows that she's won a world cup race, and they are not just "passing mentions".

It's probably a bit academic by now since another user created an article about her, but I'd like to understand the reason. [[User:JonasB|JonasB]] ([[User talk:JonasB|talk]]) 15:11, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

:Hello, JonasB. I don't see any of the articles that contain [[WP:significant coverage|significant coverage]] of Ilar. No 1 is just statistics, and cannot contribute to notability. No 3 is mostly an interview, and cannot contribute to notability. The others could, but, as I say, I don't see them saying very much about her. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 17:45, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

== Biography Sources ==

hi! I am having trouble creating a page for the dean of my school of education, Elizabeth Moje. I edited from the original draft and should have 12+ sources, I just added a few more outside sources. How do I get my page posted? [[User:Yendys112233|Yendys112233]] ([[User talk:Yendys112233|talk]]) 18:12, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

:{{u|Yendys112233}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I see that you attempted to declare a COI- I fixed it for you- what is the general nature of your COI?
:Please heed the advice left by reviewers. You have no independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] summarized in the draft article(the preferred term, not the broader "page"). Notability is not the issue, but you need independent sources summarized. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 18:17, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
::I don't really have a COI except that she is the dean of the school I am currently in? I have never interacted with her on any level though, sorry I didn't even know I messed with the COI input! And okay makes sense with the sources, I will keep trying, thank you so much! [[User:Yendys112233|Yendys112233]] ([[User talk:Yendys112233|talk]]) 18:21, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
:::I don't think you merely being a student at the school is a COI, especially if you don't communicate with her. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 18:26, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

== How do you add two different citations from the same site? ==

How do you add citations from the same site? For my draft: [[Draft:Virgin Atlantic Flight 43]], I got my registration and investigation from the same site: https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/172554. How do I add the citations for them both with one site without it not making sense?


Thanks to everyone that helps,

Westwind51000 [[User:Westwind51000|Westwind51000]] ([[User talk:Westwind51000|talk]]) 03:06, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Westwind51000|Westwind51000]]: Welcome to the Teahouse!  See [[WP:NAMEDREF]] to learn how to use named references more than once in the same article. Happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 03:10, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Westwind51000|Westwind51000]] It seems that the website in question is a [[wiki]] that can be edited by anyone. As such, it is of no use as a source for Wikipedia. For the same reason, [[WP:WINRS|Wikipedia itself is not a reliable source]]. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 18:36, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

== article naming for Harrogate Royal baths ==
I am planning to create a new article for Harrogate Turkish Baths. I have read the naming standards for architecture, but I am unsure how best to interpret them. In the Heritage England listing the building is simply named Royal Baths. When built they were called Harrogate Royal Baths. The current operators call it Harrogate Turkish Baths. As Royal Baths is a proper name should it be Title Case capitalised? Should the article just be called “Royal baths” or “Harrogate Royal baths”, or “Royal baths, Harrogate”? TIA [[Special:Contributions/149.50.167.168|149.50.167.168]] ([[User talk:149.50.167.168|talk]]) 18:09, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Forgot to sign in so this is me. [[User:Markmclellan|Markmclellan]] ([[User talk:Markmclellan|talk]]) 18:16, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
:Which is the most commonly used title is debatable. I'd be inclined to go with [[Royal Baths, Harrogate]], per Historic England. It is a proper name - should be capitalised. [[Royal Baths]] currently rediects to [[Łazienki Park]] ... it can be changed into a disambiguation page. Other titles can be added as redirect pages. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 18:24, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you. I can happily go with your inclination. Now to read up about creating disambiguation pages and setting up redirects. Always something new to learn :-) [[User:Markmclellan|Markmclellan]] ([[User talk:Markmclellan|talk]]) 19:17, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

== Editing  ==

how can I add a new page about some one [[User:Hlalvinator|Hlalvinator]] ([[User talk:Hlalvinator|talk]]) 19:54, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Hlalvinator|Hlalvinator]]: {{welcometea}} You will want to read [[WP:YFA|Your first article]], and determine whether or not this person is [[WP:N|wikinotable]]. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 19:58, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Hlalvinator|Hlalvinator]]: Hi there!  Expanding on the advice above, creating a new Wikipedia article can be quite challenging, especially if you do not have a lot of experience editing existing Wikipedia articles.  To learn how to edit, I suggest you start at [[Help:Introduction]], and then spending a significant amount of time editing existing articles to hone your skills.  Once you're ready to create an article, you would gather multiple [[WP:IS|independent]] [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] that have provided [[WP:SIGCOV|significant coverage]] of the subject, and determine whether it meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "[[WP:NBIO|notability]]".  If so, you could follow the instructions at [[Help:Your first article]] and summarize what the sources have published, and be prepared for a process that may include waiting for review, declines, and rewrites before an article is created.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 20:16, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

== Reliable Sources ==

[[Draft:2024 ADCC World Championship]] is my article and it has been declined due to "This submission is not adequately supported by [[Wikipedia:RS|reliable sources]]. ''Reliable'' sources are required so that information can be [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|verified]]. If you need help with referencing, please see [[Help:Referencing for beginners|Referencing for beginners]] and [[Wikipedia:Citing sources|Citing sources]]." 


As someone who is fairly well-versed in the subject matter, the sources I'm using are the most reliable in the field. Would appreciate advice on what to do here. [[User:Spyguy1503|Spyguy1503]] ([[User talk:Spyguy1503|talk]]) 17:02, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Spyguy1503|Spyguy1503]]: Welcome to the Teahouse!  Without evaluating any of the sources you provided, I see that the "ADCC 2024 Superfight" section does not have a reference.  Happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 17:07, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
:Hello, Spyguy. I also haven't looked at your sources; but I know that sometimes people are misled by the standard message that {{U|Vanderwaalforces}} used. The sources may be [[WP:RS|reliable]], but are they also [[WP:IS|independent of the subject]], and do they contain [[WP:significant coverage|significant coverage]] of the subject? A source must meet all three of those criteria in order to count towards notability. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 17:51, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks ColinFine, I have reviewed the sources, and have found all of them to be reliable, all but one are independent (which just announces the date for a qualifying event.), and all are solely or almost solely focused entirely on the subject itself.
::Thanks for your feedback. [[User:Spyguy1503|Spyguy1503]] ([[User talk:Spyguy1503|talk]]) 20:23, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

== How to stop IP users from vandalizing? ==

It seems that IP users can revert or edit maliciously. What is a way to stop them? [[User:Comintell|Comintell]] ([[User talk:Comintell|talk]]) 21:15, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

:{{u|Comintell}} Hello and welcome to the Teahouse.  Vandals may be reverted and reported to [[WP:AIV]] for blocking. If there is a sustained effort against a particular article, protection may be requested at [[WP:RFPP]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 21:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
::I'll add that it is generally appropriate to warn the editor in question before reporting them. Templated warnings for most cases can be found at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject User warnings]]. You may also wish to install [[WP:TW|Twinkle]], a script that makes reverting, warning, and reporting vandals easier. <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- [[User:Maddy from Celeste|Maddy from Celeste]] ([[User talk:Maddy from Celeste|WAVEDASH]])</b> 21:25, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

== Mapping not working ==

I was looking through [[Atlantic University Sport]] and saw that Memorial University is swimming in it's member map. I tried to shift it over other coordinates on the university itself but it still didn't work. Not a major issue, but is there anyway to fix this. [[Special:Contributions/128.230.141.154|128.230.141.154]] ([[User talk:128.230.141.154|talk]]) 21:48, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

:It seems to arise out of a 3 September 2023 edit by [[user:Palaeozoic99]] on https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Canada_Newfoundland_location_map.svg  in which the user shrunk the map, leaving an invisible border around the image, thus screwing up geolocation on the map. I've reverted that edit, but the [[Atlantic University Sport]] page is still currently choosing to display the shrunk image rather than the reverted image, which I hope is a caching issue which will sooner or later clear. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 22:23, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

::Also, those are the.worst.maps.ever. Who on earth thought it would be a good idea to have three enormous maps in the article. smh. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 22:24, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

:::So, fixed, after a fashion. I've shrunk the maps & stuck them in a table. Memorial University is back on land. Someone with more table-fu than me might be able to make the table borders disappear, or otherwise improve the aesthetics. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 22:44, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

== When a source seems reliable but isn't ==

had a source removed from an article for the reasoning "its unreliable" but did not come up in the unreliable sources blacklist.


What are best practices for knowing if a source is reliable or not (if its not clearly obvious?) Should we go by source size, prominence, etc.? Any tools or resources or advice would be great! [[User:Comintell|Comintell]] ([[User talk:Comintell|talk]]) 21:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:Comintell|Comintell]]. See [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources]] for an explanation. It starts out saying {{tq|Articles should be based on reliable, independent, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.}} Size, how prominent a source is, etc are independent of reliability. [[User:StarryGrandma|StarryGrandma]] ([[User talk:StarryGrandma|talk]]) 22:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
::So basically, if they have not published factual inaccuracies, it's reliable? How is reputation defined? Thanks! [[User:Comintell|Comintell]] ([[User talk:Comintell|talk]]) 22:30, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Hello, {{u|Comintell}}. A reliable publication will have a list of their top editorial staff and an explanation of their editorial policies. The reputation comes from what other reliable sources independent of the publication say about the publication. Do they praise the publication or criticize it? Does the publication regularly publish corrections? Everyone makes mistakes and admitting mistakes is important. Has the publication won notable journalistic awards? These are some of the indicators of reliability. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 22:47, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
::::This is very helpful thanks.  [[User:Comintell|Comintell]] ([[User talk:Comintell|talk]]) 22:48, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

== [[Monterey, California]] infobox and History wording: would the Bay have been named before the City or vice versa? ==

I want to make sure I am not making any edits that would seem like they are in [[Wikipedia:BADFAITH|bad faith]]. I couldn’t decide between the two. As I am not a expert, ''per se'', on the distinction, I’m also considering putting this on a relevant WikiProject’s talk space, but I would appreciate it if I could have some general sentiment here. 

Maccore Henni [[User:Mac Henni|user]] [[User talk: Mac Henni|talk]] Respond using [[Template:Talkback|tb]], please. 22:45, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
:Hello, {{u|Mac Henni}}.The bay was renamed named "Puerto Monterey", which means "Port of Monterey" in 1602. The city was founded in 1770, and so it is clear that the city was named after the bay that it is located on. I am also not an expert but have been there quite a few times. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 22:58, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
::Okay, I reverted my previous change, so it shouldn’t be an issue from this point on! Thanks! Maccore Henni [[User:Mac Henni|user]] [[User talk: Mac Henni|talk]] Respond using [[Template:Talkback|tb]], please. 23:00, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

== For creating a new page ==

Hi guys,

I am making a draft: [[Draft:Leo Li Meng]]. Did I get rejected because of too little content and unreliable citations? But I choose articles from well-known sites. Can I cite Wikipedia page in other languages? [[User:Atobesmile|Atobesmile]] ([[User talk:Atobesmile|talk]]) 22:53, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

:Not sure, but looking at the article it might be because you really didn't right anything about him except this one occurrence. To make it more complete, include stuff like his early life, for example. --[[User:ISometimesEatBananas|ISometimesEatBananas]] ([[User talk:ISometimesEatBananas|talk]]) 23:31, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::ok, thanks so much!!! [[User:Atobesmile|Atobesmile]] ([[User talk:Atobesmile|talk]]) 23:27, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Atobesmile|Atobesmile]]: Welcome to the Teahouse!  The editor who declined your draft (not rejected, which would be worse) left a notice on the top of the draft (and on your user talk page) explaining why they declined your draft.  The only English source you provided is a press release, which is not an independent source.  It is OK to use non-English sources, but I'm not going to comment on the quality of sources in languages I cannot read.  Are your other sources independent?  Do they provide significant coverage of Leo Li Meng?  You may not use Wikipedia articles in other languages as sources, per [[WP:CIRCULAR]].  However, you may choose to incorporate the independent published reliable sources from Wikipedia articles in other languages in your draft.  Happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 00:08, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks for your help. I looked up some recognized sources from Wikipedia in other languages and re-edited them. Do you think these are considered independent sources? I have read [[Wikipedia:Independent sources]], but i still have some confused. Thanks!:) [[User:Atobesmile|Atobesmile]] ([[User talk:Atobesmile|talk]]) 00:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

== Switching user name ==
Hey, I've been thinking about switching up my username. I've got something else in mind that I reckon would be way cooler. Any idea how I can make that happen?  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:ManOnTheMoon92|ManOnTheMoon92]] ([[User talk:ManOnTheMoon92#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ManOnTheMoon92|contribs]]) 09:51, 27 November 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:{{re|ManOnTheMoon92}}, Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! There are many ways to change your username on Wikipedia. The first, and easiest would be to fill out a simple form! It is the [[Special:GlobalRenameRequest| Global Rename request form]]. From that link, all you need to do is fill out your new username, as well as why you want to change it, and someone will be around to change it soon! You can also check [[Special:CA|CentralAuth]] and type the username you would want to see if it is already taken. Happy editing! -- [[User:LemonSlushie|LemonSlushie 🍋]] ([[User talk:LemonSlushie|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/LemonSlushie|edits]]) 10:03, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

:The easiest way to change your username, {{U|ManOnTheMoon92}} would be to stop using it, to start using your new username, and then to announce on your new userpage that you were previously "ManOnTheMoon92". This way you'd take up none of anybody else's time. (If you'd already made hundreds or thousands of edits, it would be a different matter, but you've been editing for less than two weeks and have made just 47 edits.) -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 11:43, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

:{{re|Hoary}} Quite an unfriendly response. The user is obviously new, as you yourself state. This is a place for learning, which is also obvious. Let's keep the inquisitive spirit alive.

:{{re|LemonSlushie}} Thank you for such an informative and helpful reply. You are a strong example of what makes a collaborative tool like this so great! -- [[User:Brhiba|Brhiba]] ([[User talk:Brhiba|talk]]) 00:49, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

== My article is getting rejected I need an help! ==

Ive been trying it for a whole day. They keep rejected my article even though i have added major sources - references. [[Special:Contributions/182.190.213.219|182.190.213.219]] ([[User talk:182.190.213.219|talk]]) 22:38, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

:The draft is only declined, not rejected. You need to format the references properly and place them in line with the text they are supporting, please see [[WP:REFB|Referencing for Beginners]]. You have also written the draft in the style of an essay and not an encyclopedia article.  Writing a new article is very challenging; it's usually recommended that your first edit existing articles, to get a feel for what is being looked for. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 22:44, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::Have you seen my article ? What changes should be made ? And do i need to make my article shorter ? [[Special:Contributions/182.190.213.219|182.190.213.219]] ([[User talk:182.190.213.219|talk]]) 22:46, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Can you help me my article that will be acceptable for wikipedia ? Will appreciate it [[Special:Contributions/182.190.213.219|182.190.213.219]] ([[User talk:182.190.213.219|talk]]) 22:49, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::::Fix for me * [[Special:Contributions/182.190.213.219|182.190.213.219]] ([[User talk:182.190.213.219|talk]]) 22:49, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::Have you read the comments? You have repeatedly re-submitted without addressing the issues. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 22:51, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::Issue isnt about needing more references? I thought they weren't accepting my given references ? [[Special:Contributions/182.190.213.219|182.190.213.219]] ([[User talk:182.190.213.219|talk]]) 22:54, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::You have dumped all your references at the end of the article it is very difficult for reviwers to work out which content is supported by them. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 22:59, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::::Ah i see. Ill fix them tommorow thanks man. Once im used to it ill have no issues for now being a beginner we keep pushing lol [[Special:Contributions/182.190.213.219|182.190.213.219]] ([[User talk:182.190.213.219|talk]]) 23:01, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
[[Draft:Pir Alamah Sayyid Ihsanullah Shah Rashdi]] appears to be the draft article referred to. [[User:Karenthewriter|Karenthewriter]] ([[User talk:Karenthewriter|talk]]) 00:03, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:The draft does not make it clear what its subject's name was. It does not tell us his nationality. It is not written in neutral language, but is excessively adulatory. And above all, it ''cites no sources''. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 08:31, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::Ill fix that! Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/182.190.213.219|182.190.213.219]] ([[User talk:182.190.213.219|talk]]) 08:42, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

=== Heyy. Someone can help me fix article lines ?  ===

Im having troubling by putting references properly. Someome can look into my article + fix some errors will appreciate seniors [[Special:Contributions/182.190.213.219|182.190.213.219]] ([[User talk:182.190.213.219|talk]]) 10:55, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

:I have added some more refferences but needs helps to set them properly in a section of * early life amd education [[Special:Contributions/182.190.213.219|182.190.213.219]] ([[User talk:182.190.213.219|talk]]) 11:11, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

I presume you mean [[Draft:Pir Alamah Sayyid Ihsanullah Shah Rashdi]]? - [[User:X201|X201]] ([[User talk:X201|talk]]) 11:19, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

:YES exactly [[Special:Contributions/182.190.213.219|182.190.213.219]] ([[User talk:182.190.213.219|talk]]) 11:28, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::Seniors i need assistance. [[Special:Contributions/182.190.213.219|182.190.213.219]] ([[User talk:182.190.213.219|talk]]) 12:47, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

=== Someone can fix my article citations  ===

My article Need help to improve its citations 
 Any senior here please? Will appreciate it truely [
{{FYI}} added by 182.190.213.219
Seems to be about [[Draft:Pir Alamah Sayyid Ihsanullah Shah Rashdi]] if anyone is interested. Already declined 7 times.  [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 15:32, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

=== Need some assistance with fixing some citations. ===

Really tired. It took me over 48 hours to write and set things but still i need seniors helps to set some minor settings [[Special:Contributions/182.190.213.219|182.190.213.219]] ([[User talk:182.190.213.219|talk]]) 18:56, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

:Welcome to the Teahouse!  There are over 100,000 articles with citations that need to be fixed (see [[Help:CS1 errors]]).  Are you asking for assistance with any specific article? [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 19:23, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:{{Courtesy link|Draft:Pir Alamah Sayyid Ihsanullah Shah Rashdi}} [[User:Jeraxmoira|Jeraxmoira]] ([[User talk:Jeraxmoira|talk]]) 19:26, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:Are you [[User:SaneFlint]]? Is there any particular reason you are editing without logging in? 
:With regards to the article, you need to remove all the unsourced content first or create the article forward instead of creating it backward. See [[WP:BACKWARD|Wikipedia:Writing Wikipedia articles forward]] and [[Help:Your first article]] [[User:Jeraxmoira|Jeraxmoira]] ([[User talk:Jeraxmoira|talk]]) 19:41, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::Yes thats saneflint
:: Im not logging it in order to recieve replies i get as im writing without username. I may not recieve replies in logged account [[Special:Contributions/182.190.213.219|182.190.213.219]] ([[User talk:182.190.213.219|talk]]) 19:45, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:::I have added sources on every article. Just needs help to set some references/ citations. Otherwise every information is there. This is why im seeking to get some assitamce from seniors:) [[Special:Contributions/182.190.213.219|182.190.213.219]] ([[User talk:182.190.213.219|talk]]) 19:47, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::::I think I'm not properly able to fit them on lines. Idk but still lesrning and improving over all. [[Special:Contributions/182.190.213.219|182.190.213.219]] ([[User talk:182.190.213.219|talk]]) 19:49, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::For example: "{{tq|He was born in his ancestrial village Pir Jhando near Saeedabad Tehsil, Sindh}}" has no citation attached to it for the AfC reviewer to verify. Every statement you make should follow with a citation or should include a citation at the end of the paragraph at least. You can also cite the same reference again by using the "Re-use" option in the cite popup. Once you improve the article, ask the last AfC reviewer for his thoughts on the article before submitting it again. [[User:Jeraxmoira|Jeraxmoira]] ([[User talk:Jeraxmoira|talk]]) 20:11, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::I had posted referenced arrticles which states these information. And before submitting you mean i can write here ? [[Special:Contributions/182.190.213.219|182.190.213.219]] ([[User talk:182.190.213.219|talk]]) 20:16, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::Please take some time and go through [[WP:MINREF]] first. And not here but at the Articles for Creation reviewer's talk page. In this case, it is User:Seawolf35. [[User:Jeraxmoira|Jeraxmoira]] ([[User talk:Jeraxmoira|talk]]) 20:22, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::::Yes i find it helpful to ask things here. Still learning [[Special:Contributions/182.190.213.219|182.190.213.219]] ([[User talk:182.190.213.219|talk]]) 20:23, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:::The main purpose of [[Wikipedia:Teahouse]] is to help the newcomers. Whether logged in or not, users can expect to receive replies to all their questions. See [[WP:LOGGEDOUT]] [[User:Jeraxmoira|Jeraxmoira]] ([[User talk:Jeraxmoira|talk]]) 20:16, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

=== My article is pending I need some seniors assistance  ===

Seniors told me to make some changes. I need little bit of assistance to make it better [[User:SaneFlint|SaneFlint]] ([[User talk:SaneFlint|talk]]) 13:50, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:Your draft [[Draft:Pir Alamah Sayyid Ihsanullah Shah Rashdi]] has been declined 10 times for lack of [[WP:GNG|notability]], you have re-submitted today. Please be patient. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 13:53, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
::Yes, in the starting i faced some issues as being beginner it took me lots of time to improve. There is mentioned that i can submit for review then can make edits to improve while leaving it for submission maybe that's why I had submitted quickly before. But now I'm.good with it or way better :)
::Sure, i will wait for the review. Thanks alot. [[User:SaneFlint|SaneFlint]] ([[User talk:SaneFlint|talk]]) 13:58, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:::I had resubmitted earlier in the morning with more proper referencing. Each information has its citations and are easy to understand.++ [[User:SaneFlint|SaneFlint]] ([[User talk:SaneFlint|talk]]) 14:00, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

=== Hi Fam. Looking for some assistance please  ===

I have wrote an article about a prominent religious scholar of 19 century. Hes very well known in sind. Professors and other government organisations are publishing books on his name in sindhi and urdu. But the issue is with writing an article for English audience. This one is not easy for weatern audience to fully understand i know this.

Now, lets go back to issue.

I was asked that ive wrote praisings for that notability even though i just used them as references which were from some prominent notable sxholars as well. So the issue is how do i turn that praising type reference into netutal tone one? As it's brining troubles for my hard work. I shouldn't write that or just publish book numbers instead of words of other historian's? [[User:SaneFlint|SaneFlint]] ([[User talk:SaneFlint|talk]]) 12:58, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

:Courtesy link: [[Draft:Pir Alamah Sayyid Ihsanullah Shah Rashdi]]
:The editor readily admits that English is not their first language, and that this may be an obstacle for them in reducing the draft from a paean of praise to a neutral and acceptable draft.
:What they would find valuable is a competent editor to go through the draft and help them to précis it and flatten its tone prior to a submission for review of am excellent draft or the simple move to Mainspace once it is seen as ready.
:Courtesy ping to @[[User:SaneFlint|SaneFlint]] 🇺🇦&nbsp;[[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk&nbsp;to&nbsp;me</small></sup>]]&nbsp;🇺🇦 13:05, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thats what i am expecting from Teahouse. 🙂 i hope so [[User:SaneFlint|SaneFlint]] ([[User talk:SaneFlint|talk]]) 13:22, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:::@[[User:SaneFlint|SaneFlint]]: Hi there!  Encyclopedias (even Wikipedia) contain fact-based articles without praising the subject.  There may be people who think that this person was a "prominent Islamic scholar", while others might think he was not prominent.  However, if you remove the word "prominent", I'm sure you can find a reference that states he was an Islamic scholar.  Go through every sentence and remove all the language like "instrumental" and "Embracing the mission with great responsibility" and leave just the facts.  Then make sure each fact can be traced to a published reliable source.  How will the reviewer confirm facts such as "He studied at Madirsah Dar-ul-Rashad" or "Syed Ehsanullah Shah Rashidi managed the library from 1923 to 1937." I hope this helps you.  Happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 20:37, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::::Hi.i agree with it. Those sentences you pointed out are replaced with more easy words. Plus reference will tell about his studies in Dar Ul Rashad. Also it tells from which time period he managed library till privy court disputed case etc.
::::You can review it again thanks. [[User:SaneFlint|SaneFlint]] ([[User talk:SaneFlint|talk]]) 21:38, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:Moved the above five sections under another Teahouse section on the same draft. [[User:Rotideypoc41352|Rotideypoc41352]] ([[User talk:Rotideypoc41352|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Rotideypoc41352|contribs]]) 02:27, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

== Total Commitment Del Shannon Album review ==

what's book in Billboard is Total Commitment Del Shannon Album review? [[User:Samchristie05|Samchristie05]] ([[User talk:Samchristie05|talk]]) 00:38, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
:I'm sorry, [[User:Samchristie05|Samchristie05]], but I cannot parse this question. However, it does seem to be about Del Shannon, or about one of his LPs. It doesn't seem to be about the use of Wikipedia, which is the purpose of this page. You might rephrase your question and ask it at [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment]]. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 01:09, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
::alright, but what's need more work on article Total Commitment Del Shannon Album? [[User:Samchristie05|Samchristie05]] ([[User talk:Samchristie05|talk]]) 01:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
:::{{U|BuySomeApples}}, who declined [[Draft:Total Commitment]], might care to comment. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 01:42, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
::::{{re|Hoary|Samchristie05}} thanks for pinging me! I just want to echo what Timtrent said. The overall tone of the article needs to be edited a bit to be more encyclopedic. You can look at other Wikipedia articles and how they describe things to get an idea of how to do this. [[User:BuySomeApples|BuySomeApples]] ([[User talk:BuySomeApples|talk]]) 02:31, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Samchristie05|Samchristie05]]: Welcome to the Teahouse!  I think you are working on [[Draft:Total Commitment]], and looking for a source published by Billboard Books that reviews the ''Total Commitment'' album.  I don't know the answer, but you can try the [[Wikipedia:Reference desk]] for help finding references.  Happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 01:37, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Samchristie05|Samchristie05]] Hi, if English is not your first language, you might be more successful contributing to  a[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias Wikipedia that is in another language]. [[User:Ca|Ca]] <sup><i>[[User talk:Ca|talk to me!]]</i></sup> 02:39, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

=== What 3 thing i need to short out ===
{{FYI|Combined sections.  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 20:21, 27 November 2023 (UTC)}}
@Timtrent, What 3 thing i need to short out on Del Shannon Total Commitment? [[User:Samchristie05|Samchristie05]] ([[User talk:Samchristie05|talk]]) 20:04, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
:{{u|Timtrent}}, this appears to be a question for you. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 20:08, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Samchristie05|Samchristie05]] The tone! Please read and understand the advice you have been given and then implement the solution.  We require flat, neutral prose. You have written a magazine article, but not one for an encyclopaedia.
::@[[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] Thanks for the ping. 🇺🇦&nbsp;[[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk&nbsp;to&nbsp;me</small></sup>]]&nbsp;🇺🇦 20:19, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
:::courtesy ping @[[User:Samchristie05|Samchristie05]]. The sections were combined and you may be struggling to find the answers. 🇺🇦&nbsp;[[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span><sup><small>Timtrent</small></sup>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span><sup><small>Talk&nbsp;to&nbsp;me</small></sup>]]&nbsp;🇺🇦 20:24, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
::::i just did i hope it gets approved w/o no violation [[User:Samchristie05|Samchristie05]] ([[User talk:Samchristie05|talk]]) 21:06, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

== Re: Entry on William Rimmer (artist).   ==

I'd like to change the placement of note # 1 to the end of the previous sentence so that it follows the date 1860. I'm having trouble.  Also, if possibe, can I add an image?  If necessary, it could replace one of the images already there such as his photograph.  The new image is in the public domain and is Rimmer's ''Falling Gladiator''.  See: americanart.si.edu/artwork/falling-gladiator-20966.  It's the initial image.
I'd be grateful for any help.  Thanks for your attention. WHAM 2004 really halped me already. [[User:DEvans2|DEvans2]] ([[User talk:DEvans2|talk]]) 02:27, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:His photo should not be replaced. The article is about him, not his work. I've added an image, and moved the ref. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 03:02, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

== Sorry Telugu Funerals ==

I am Angry for Accidentally Refusing to Post these Questions online Years Ago:

1. Sorry in Reality, after Telugu Husband dies, Is Wife supposed To take Off Red Dot from her Forehead before Funeral etc?

2. Sorry in Reality, after Telugu Husband dies, Is Wife supposed To wear White Clothing before Funeral etc?([[Special:Contributions/117.213.227.6|117.213.227.6]] ([[User talk:117.213.227.6|talk]]) 04:24, 28 November 2023 (UTC)).

:Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. The Teahouse (and [[WP:TALKNO|talk pages]]) are only for questions related to editing Wikipedia, as [[WP:NOTFORUM|Wikipedia is not a discussion forum]]. You might want to ask your question somewhere else, or ask another Wikipedia-related question at the Teahouse. ~~[[User:2NumForIce|<span style="background:#007eb3;color:#ffffff;">2NumForIce</span>]] ([[User talk:2NumForIce|<sup style="color:#007eb3">speak</sup>]]<span style="color:55a7db">&#124;</span>[[Special:Contributions/2NumForIce|<sub>edits</sub>]]) 04:33, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
::You might also want to see [[Wikipedia:Reference desk]] for information about an article's subject (it works like a library's reference desk). Other than that, you should ask non-Wikipedia related questions somewhere else. ~~[[User:2NumForIce|<span style="background:#007eb3;color:#ffffff;">2NumForIce</span>]] ([[User talk:2NumForIce|<sup style="color:#007eb3">speak</sup>]]<span style="color:55a7db">&#124;</span>[[Special:Contributions/2NumForIce|<sub>edits</sub>]]) 04:36, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

== Article Page declined ==

Hi

I need a help to live an article page. Wikipedia declined and if anyone can understand what I exactly do to remove the mistakes and resubmit.

Thank you

[[User:KPSPayyanadam/sandbox]] [[User:KPSPayyanadam|KPSPayyanadam]] ([[User talk:KPSPayyanadam|talk]]) 05:44, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:KPSPayyanadam|KPSPayyanadam]]: Welcome to the Teahouse!  There is a lot of good information at the top of your draft, with links you can click on for more details.  Two big points are the lack of multiple [[WP:IS|independent sources]] and the lack of inline citations.  See [[WP:EASYREFBEGIN]] for a video on how to add your references properly. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 06:14, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
::Some clean-up performed. The refs need to be inserted into the text and also need to be not naked UTLs. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 07:23, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:::For a biography of a living person, all factual statements must be verified by references. In the draft there are lists plays, but no verification via references that these plays exist. The listed awards (not referenced) appear to be minor/local, and thus do not establish notability. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 07:28, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

:[[User:KPSPayyanadam|KPSPayyanadam]], the draft is about a gentleman named KPS Payyanadam. Either (A) you are KPS Payyanadam and this is an autobiography, or (B) you seem to be an imposter. Neither is at all desirable here in English-language Wikipedia. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 07:29, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

== "best known for" in leads of biography ==

Is it acceptable to use the phrase X '''{{tq|is best known for}}''' Y in the lead of a biographical article? Or is it a form of original analysis? The practice is widespread and done on many articles. Even when the sources do not explicitly say "best known for", often a subject's notability is established as a result of what they are "best known" for. It could be seen as an opinion, but also often a self evident opinion. What do editors think? ('''Edit:''' given the comment below, clarifying that I asked because I have been reverted for using the term myself [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lex_Fridman&diff=prev&oldid=1186926998 here]). [[User:Zenomonoz|Zenomonoz]] ([[User talk:Zenomonoz|talk]]) 06:35, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
:Hello, {{u|Zenomonoz}}. I do not have strong feelings one way or another about this phrase, but you should be aware that there is a person who has been banned from Wikipedia because they created significant disruption for many years about "best known for" wording. This person is totally obsessed with this particular phrase, so I encourage you to proceed with great caution. This abusive person has made it very difficult to have productive conversations about this phrase. Please read [[Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Best known for IP]] until you get bored or tired. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 07:37, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
::Oh. Lol. I came here after a user removed my addition of 'best known for' [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lex_Fridman&diff=prev&oldid=1186926998 here]. And then [[User talk:Usedtobecool#Comment|said]] I was doing "synth" for using the phrase. '''Edit: '''It looks like they're an established editor though, so I'm guessing it's unrelated. [[User:Zenomonoz|Zenomonoz]] ([[User talk:Zenomonoz|talk]]) 10:45, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
:I prefer not to use "best known for" phrasing, and I've edited articles to remove it in the past. It is sometimes self-evident and sometimes wild speculation, and it's hard for readers unfamiliar with the topic to know the difference without explicit support from sources. We also can presume that our readers will know that we are placing the most important information about our subjects in the lead, especially the first paragraph. [[User:Firefangledfeathers|Firefangledfeathers]] ([[User talk:Firefangledfeathers|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers|contribs]]) 16:23, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks, very helpful. Sounds reasonable. I'll start avoiding using the term myself. [[User:Zenomonoz|Zenomonoz]] ([[User talk:Zenomonoz|talk]]) 21:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Firefangledfeathers|Firefangledfeathers]] It's difficult. Virtually everyone in [[Eric H. Cline]]'s field would say he's best known for his work on the Bronze Age, ie his book 1177 B.C. and his newer book After 1177 B.C. but looking again I guess the only fix is to enlarge the lead to cover some of his works and awards. On the other hand, it's a blue sky statement for those in the field. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 10:57, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

== my thing got declined can someone help me make it? i have the source ==

my thing got declined can someone help me make it? i have the source [[User:Khalidthebalidthe calid|Khalidthebalidthe calid]] ([[User talk:Khalidthebalidthe calid|talk]]) 06:58, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

:[[Draft:Osama Alsayed|the draft]] is about to be deleted. [[user:ltbdl|ltb]][[user:ltbdl/d|<span style="color:orange">d</span>]][[user:ltbdl|l]] ([[user talk:ltbdl|talk]]) 07:19, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

:It has now been deleted. Quote: {{Olive|Osama Alsayed is a name that has been making waves in the football world. At just 13 years old, this young prodigy has shown immense talent and potential}}. [[User:Khalidthebalidthe calid|Khalidthebalidthe calid]], I think you are at the wrong website. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 07:25, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
: Hi {{u|Khalidthebalidthe calid}}. If the {{tq|thing}} you're referring to is [[:Draft:Osama Alsayed]], then it's way [[:WP:TOOSOON]] to be trying to create an Wikipedia article that person. What you're going to need to establish is the Alsayed meets [[:Wikipedia:Notability (people)]] or [[:Wikipedia:Notability (sports)]], and it appears that Alsayed has quite a ways to go before you or anyone else is able to do that. Just from reading the draft, it kind of seems that you're [[:WP:NOT|mistaking Wikipedia for social media or a personal website]]. Perhaps you should take a look at [[:Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything]] for a general idea as to what kinds of subjects are considered OK to write about on Wikipedia. You might also want to take a look at [[:Wikipedia:Alternative outlets]] for some wesbites which might be better suited to what you're trying to do. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 07:30, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
::I see the editor was blocked for continually adding unsourced content. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 10:59, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

== About publishing a new page. How do I get my page posted ==

I have written a whole page about someone I know and clicked on "Publish". I have added necessary citations and respective references. How much time it would take to get it on Wikipedia/ how much time it takes to be viewed by everyone.

Adding link of the page below:-

https://w.wiki/8D4y [[User:Cmfsumeetjain|Cmfsumeetjain]] ([[User talk:Cmfsumeetjain|talk]]) 09:22, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

:Wikipedia is largely a volunteer effort on the ground, so the answer would be 'when someone gets around to it'.
:However, it is generally '''strongly discouraged''' for you to write or edit articles about people you know, or subjects close to you, for that constitutes a [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]]. Undisclosed conflicts of interest are often not allowed, moreover, and you've only incidentally disclosed yours. If you do want to continue editing about subjects close to you, which is discouraged as I've said, it's good form to state your conflict of interest on your user page.
:Looking at the article, there still appears to be [[WP:NOTABILITY|potential notability problems]], as there are a preponderance of primary sources, and almost none of the secondary sources appear to actually be about the subject of the article, or mention them specifically. I would recommend reading the pages I've linked above, as well as [[WP:RS|this one, on what we consider to be a reliable source]]. [[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:2px 0 0 2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:1px 3px;color:#000">留</span>]] 09:29, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Cmfsumeetjain|Cmfsumeetjain]] Your draft at [[User:Cmfsumeetjain/sandbox]] has statements like {{tq|Ashish Kumar Singh is an accomplished civil servant and public administration expert}}. Says who? You have not cited a source for this assertion, as is required by our policy on [[WP:BLP|biographies]]. Make sure you provide inline citations for all your text, or the draft will rapidly be declined. It would be sensible to read [[WP:PEACOCK|this essay]] and [[WP:BACKWARD|this one]] for advice. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 11:49, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

== Sharing academic research on a specific topic that my deceased husband devoted hus academic life too. ==

It is called Social Structures  of Accumulation,  about waves and troughs in the economy over time. [[Special:Contributions/2A01:B340:60:A1A8:5CE9:D42E:92B:FB84|2A01:B340:60:A1A8:5CE9:D42E:92B:FB84]] ([[User talk:2A01:B340:60:A1A8:5CE9:D42E:92B:FB84|talk]]) 11:55, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:If you believe that there should be a Wikipedia article about your husband or his area of research you can attempt to do that yourself. However, such a task is extremely difficult for new editors, and you would be required to declare a conflict of interest. If he or his topic are truely notable, in time someone with no connection to him may create such, but there is no useful way of posting a request at Wikipedia for someone to take up the task. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 12:30, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:IP editor: we have a (poor) article on [[capital accumulation]] which sounds as though it is closely related to the topic; or reading that page may suggest to you other Wikipedia articles where your husband's research could be used as citations, assuming they were published in [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. It would be much easier to contribute via existing articles than to create a new one from scratch. Note the template {{tl|edit COI}} (click for details) that you can use on article Talk Pages to make suggestions for additions. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 13:08, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
::This article [[doi:10.1177/0486613403255542]] and [https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Social_Structures_of_Accumulation/EMAiVs23XBcC?hl=en&gbpv=0 this book] for example, are well-cited reviews. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 13:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:Thank you very much for sharing this, I am myself touched by this gesture, though I am unfamiliar presently with the subject matter as of yet: this is a wonderful seed to be able to plant in honor of your loved one. The beautiful thing about academia is advances and catalyzation often happens when and where one least expects, so take it to heart that putting his work out there is already a wonderful tribute to his memory and life's work. I hope this finds you well. [[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:2px 0 0 2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:1px 3px;color:#000">留</span>]] 13:24, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:You may be interested in Wikpedia's sister project, [[Wikiversity]]. Uploading some of his research could potentially get more people interested in it as a field. Potentially you could get a former colleague of his to help you organize his notes for (online) print? Good wishes to you.
:[[User:Canguild|Canguild]] ([[User talk:Canguild|talk]]) 14:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

== Edit Template:Jcon ==

Hello,
I noticed that [[:Template:Jcon]] might need to be slightly altered (it's not linking to Ottawa City Road articles); however it's protected. I am an [[WP:XC|Extended confirmed user]] but am still unable to edit it. Is someone able to provide some assistance?

Thank you. [[User:MuzikMachine|MuzikMachine]] ([[User talk:MuzikMachine|talk]]) 23:39, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
: {{re|MuzikMachine}}  That template is only semi-protected.  I am also extended-confirmed and am able to edit it, so it should not be a problem for you.  It looks like all the code is actually in [[:Module:Jcon]] but that is also only semi-protected.  What error are you seeing when you try to edit? [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 01:09, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]]: There we go, thank you! The error I was going to look at was where Ottawa City Roads link to; [[:Template:Jcon]] seems to be linking them to 'Ottawa City Road %' (i.e. [[Ottawa City Road 174]] / {{Jcon|Ottawa|174|nosh=y|showred=y}}), while the Ottawa numbered road articles are titled 'Ottawa Road %' (i.e. [[Ottawa Road 174]]). I was just wanting to look under the hood to see what the best solution might be. [[User:MuzikMachine|MuzikMachine]] ([[User talk:MuzikMachine|talk]]) 14:47, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

== Entry on William Rimmer (artist) ==

I need help, if possible, with two cross references to Wikipedia articles.  See the 6th paragraph in the Rimmer entry, listing the artists: Daniel Chester French, Anne Whitney and John LaFarge. The last two have their own wikipedia entries. French is the most famous of the three but, through oversight, has no Wikipedia entry.  Can someone make the cross-references for me?  Many thanks. [[User:DEvans2|DEvans2]] ([[User talk:DEvans2|talk]]) 13:35, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

:[[User:DEvans2|DEvans2]] I don't see any mention of any of the three on [[William Rimmer (music)]]. Is this the article you are talking about? [[User:Sungodtemple|Sungodtemple]] ([[User talk:Sungodtemple|talk]] &#8226; [[Special:Contributions/Sungodtemple|contribs]]) 13:58, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
::Perhaps [[William Rimmer]]? - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] [[User_talk:UtherSRG|(talk)]] 14:10, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Yup, this looks like the article in question. Are you asking how to make a link? Just surround the word/name in <nowiki>[[ and ]]</nowiki> braces. - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] [[User_talk:UtherSRG|(talk)]] 14:12, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
::::Thanks.  I'll do that. [[User:DEvans2|DEvans2]] ([[User talk:DEvans2|talk]]) 14:25, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::[[User:DEvans2|DEvans2]] See [[Help:Linking]], has a more detailed guide. [[User:Sungodtemple|Sungodtemple]] ([[User talk:Sungodtemple|talk]] &#8226; [[Special:Contributions/Sungodtemple|contribs]]) 14:32, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
::::Re: Wm Rimmer (artist)
::::  I began the brackets and that was enough to illuminate the names with apparently a cross link.  All three students are on Wikipedia.  I guess that's enough.  Thanks so much to all of you. [[User:DEvans2|DEvans2]] ([[User talk:DEvans2|talk]]) 14:52, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
::No, Rimmer, the artist.  I think someone else is helping. [[User:DEvans2|DEvans2]] ([[User talk:DEvans2|talk]]) 14:24, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

== IP blocking  ==

My account operates with an underlying school IP. Recently there was a 31 hour block on the underlying IP for vandalism (from another student). If this happens again, would I be autoblocked from editing? What should I do if that happens? 


Thanks, [[User:Pear1020|Pear 2.0]] [[User talk:Pear1020|(say hi!)]] 14:44, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:{{re|Pear1020}} A block on a school IP was probably anon-only, which means that registered users can still log in and edit. You get autoblocks with vandal accounts. An autoblock is possible, though in my experience it's not very common for a school to use a single IP address, and have a vandal account and a good faith editor account on it within the same 24 hour period (see [[WP:AUTOBLOCK]] for details). If it happens, which it does sometimes, you can try using the {{tl|unblock-auto}} template, which should be presented to you in the block message that you'll see. Admin response times may vary. If you get autoblocked ''a lot'' you could pester a checkuser for IP block exemption (and maybe some extra vandal account blocking on the school IP). -- [[user:zzuuzz|zzuuzz]] <sup>[[user_talk:zzuuzz|(talk)]]</sup> 15:04, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you! I checked the block log - looks like there's a 5 year anon-only block I didn't notice so thankfully I probably won't have to worry about it. Thanks for the advice, I'll keep it in mind in case something ''does'' come up''.'' [[User:Pear1020|Pear 2.0]] [[User talk:Pear1020|(say hi!)]] 15:17, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

== recently asked question ==

On Nov 17 I asked a question about submitting a draft article for submission from a Word document.
I was out of town and just got back to this forum and cannot locate the several helpful replies I got on Nov 17th.
How do I find them now?
Thank you. [[User:Legendt9455|Legendt9455]] ([[User talk:Legendt9455|talk]]) 16:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Legendt9455|Legendt9455]]: Hi there!  Posts on this page are archived after several days of inactivity.  At the top of the page is a box you can use to search the archives.  When I searched for your user name, I found the post in [[Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1206#created draft new entry]].  Happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 17:03, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
::thank you! [[User:Legendt9455|Legendt9455]] ([[User talk:Legendt9455|talk]]) 16:29, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

== Reliable source to use to write an article about a K-pop idol ==

Is NME a reliable source that I can use to write an article about a K-pop idol? [[User:Sunshine Owl|Sunshine Owl]] ([[User talk:Sunshine Owl|talk]]) 20:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:Yes. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 20:16, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you for the reply! [[User:Sunshine Owl|Sunshine Owl]] ([[User talk:Sunshine Owl|talk]]) 20:18, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

== Training, choosing a career ==

Not certain if this is where this goes but I wasn't certain where else it would go either.

I've been poking around all the pages, trying to figure out what to sink my teeth into, and it seems there are several 'careers' of sorts (copyeditor, anti-vandalism, etc.) that one can go into. Some (most?) of these specialties seem to have groups of experienced mentors who will train new users in said 'career'. However, in exchange for their time commitment, they want the mentee to make a commitment of their own to being a dedicated member of that 'career'. I do understand, their time is valuable, but I don't want to promise to do something I don't know whether I'll like or even be any good at? And yes, most of them have a 'no absolute newbies' standard which I don't currently meet, but you do have to get to a certain level of skill at something to figure out if you actually dislike it or if you're just bad at doing it so you're constantly frustrated by your own inability to make what you desire reality.

So I guess, TLDR, if you don't want to make promises you can't keep, do you just teach yourself? And for future reference, how long does it generally to take whether you're still not proficient with a skill or whether you just dislike using it?

[[User:Canguild|Canguild]] ([[User talk:Canguild|talk]]) 18:08, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

:This would really depend on what you're interested in. If you want to try anti-vandalism work, I'd recommend installing [[WP:TWINKLE]] and [[WP:RCP|patrolling Special:RecentChanges]]. For copyediting, see Category:Articles needing cleanup and try to help out. You can even try to clean up [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_cleanup_by_subject by subject]. For article writing, you can try to improve an article about a hobby or area of interest. You can use [[WP:Teahouse/Suggestions]] for a list of articles to edit based on your interests. If you tell me what specific task you want to try out, I can help more. 
:It normally took an hour or two to see if something was interesting for me, but it may differ for you. It takes much longer to be proficient, depending on the activity. [[User:Novo Tape|<span style="color:#0645AD"> Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Novo Tape|<span style="color:#0645AD">My Talk Page</span>]]</sup>  18:28, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
::Honestly, I wasn't even entirely certain I'd learned the entire list of all possible career/task paths. If those are the main three, probably the easiest for me would be copyediting, but I definitely have some articles in mind I would like to write in the near(ish) future, so I'd like to leave room to pursue that. Then again, I don't want to ''not'' try anti-vandalism out, either, just because it'll always bother me if I never give it a shot. I guess I'll just start puttering away at things whenever I get the nerve.
::Thanks for the info! Two hours is really fast, hopefully it goes even half that quickly for me. [[User:Canguild|Canguild]] ([[User talk:Canguild|talk]]) 19:20, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Yeah, those are the main three: writing/developing articles, copyediting articles, and protecting articles from vandalism. There are a variety of other niches (such as coding bots), but most require extensive knowledge of policy, extensive experience, and/or technical knowledge. [[User:Novo Tape|<span style="color:#0645AD"> Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Novo Tape|<span style="color:#0645AD">My Talk Page</span>]]</sup>  20:44, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:Speaking more generally: my experience has been more casual and less formal than what you've described. Without context, I infer that any "no absolute newbies" guideline can be about commitment, but experienced editors can and do leave, sometimes without warning. In my (perhaps unorthodox) view, the guideline is more about having a good grasp on mentee temperament: I can't tell how well you take constructive criticism or how [[WP:BOLD|bold]] of an editor you if you've just joined and have barely touched any articles.
:In that vein: what I've found served me well personally is the ability to listen, accept being wrong, walk away, and follow [[WP:BRD]]. That applies whether you're adding content or fixing date formats. [[User:Rotideypoc41352|Rotideypoc41352]] ([[User talk:Rotideypoc41352|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Rotideypoc41352|contribs]]) 18:31, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
::Oh, I see! That makes sense.
::The older I get, the more I find it returns to when you were a toddler: If you find yourself getting too worked-up, a time-out (or even a good nap) may be the only productive solution.
::[[User:Canguild|Canguild]] ([[User talk:Canguild|talk]]) 19:24, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:{{re|Canguild}} In addition to the helpful advice above, I might recommend just being straightforward with the people you're asking for help. You could post on the talkpage of one of those experienced editors saying that you are considering trying out a certain task, but aren't sure yet if you'll like it, and then just ask if they would mind answering questions that arise for you even if you might not be doing this task in the long term. They might say they'd rather not, but my guess is that most people who have volunteered to help new people learn a task would say yes to that question. - [[User:Astrophobe|<span style="color:#ff69b4">'''Astrophobe'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Astrophobe|''talk'']]) 18:35, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Astrophobe|Astrophobe]] Hmm, I see. To be honest it seems a bit nervewracking, but as they say - if you venture nothing you gain nothing. I'd probably be better off making myself look like a more worthwhile candidate for their limited time first, though. [[User:Canguild|Canguild]] ([[User talk:Canguild|talk]]) 19:30, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:::{{re|Canguild}} That's understandable, and certainly nobody can or will make you do it. But this is a collaborative encyclopedia, so I think whatever path you choose here, these kinds of interactions with others will be necessary. The good news is that you are already doing a great job of it here at the teahouse. :-) - [[User:Astrophobe|<span style="color:#ff69b4">'''Astrophobe'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Astrophobe|''talk'']]) 20:12, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:I have pretty diverse interests in terms of what I do on Wikipedia, and at no point have I had a mentor. Then again, I'm the kind of person who from the outset surfed through all the [[WP:PAG]] they could find. Point is, if you're willing to do the reading up on your own, you can totally just try something out without having to look for a mentor. <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- [[User:Maddy from Celeste|Maddy from Celeste]] ([[User talk:Maddy from Celeste|WAVEDASH]])</b> 19:00, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
::I feel you there! I'm still browsing at the moment, I keep getting midway through an article and then coming to a term I can't proceed without understanding so I have to open it up in a new tab and then read that entire page, whereupon there is another term-- You get the picture. (Can you tell my ADHD is currently kicking my butt up and down the block?) Thanks for the reply! [[User:Canguild|Canguild]] ([[User talk:Canguild|talk]]) 19:40, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

== A bit confused (as always) ==

I had been editing the <nowiki>[[Vesna Goldsworthy]]</nowiki> page. That has been completed. Today I received a link to her talk page: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Vesna_Goldsworthy&diff=next&oldid=1176760694 Talk:Vesna Goldsworthy: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia] . Certainly I never wrote that I had AIDS, and that seems to have been deleted. Is this what the notice is telling me? Thanks. [[User:Oldsilenus|Oldsilenus]] ([[User talk:Oldsilenus|talk]]) 16:35, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

:Its just an IP Vandalism on the Talk page. But, it has been reverted by another user; So, no worries. [[User:Vestrian24Bio|𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸]] ([[User talk:Vestrian24Bio|ᴛᴀʟᴋ]]) 16:41, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

::{{ping|Oldsilenus}} You say "I never wrote that I had AIDS". Does that mean you are Vesna Goldsworthy, the subject of the article? --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 19:17, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:::I wouldn't interpret it like that; the claim appeared right below their signature. <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- [[User:Maddy from Celeste|Maddy from Celeste]] ([[User talk:Maddy from Celeste|WAVEDASH]])</b> 21:17, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
::::Well, that's good to know, although I wasn't actually asking you for your interpretation, but was asking {{ping|Oldsilenus}}. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 22:34, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

::Thanks ever so much! for the answer.[[User:Oldsilenus|Oldsilenus]] ([[User talk:Oldsilenus|talk]]) 21:03, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

== Wondering how I should cite this ==

Hello! Writing an article and want to cite [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261992216_Family_Austroniidae this article] but am unsure how to as automatic citation doesn't work and it doesn't seem to fit the definition of any of the categories for manual citations. Any answers greatly appreciated :D&nbsp;[[User:Pothos144|Pothos144]] ([[User talk:Pothos144|talk]]) 18:53, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

:I'm not sure how to teach you to do it, but I would be happy to cite it for you. Could you link the draft? [[User:UnexpectedSmoreInquisition|UnexpectedSmoreInquisition]] aka USI ([[User talk:UnexpectedSmoreInquisition|talk]]) 18:59, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
::[[Draft:Austroniidae]] here it is! Thank you for your reply<code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>  [[User:Pothos144|Pothos144]] ([[User talk:Pothos144|talk]]) 19:19, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Alright, added the citation for you! You can move it wherever you want if you remove it, it should stay. Best wishes, [[User:UnexpectedSmoreInquisition|UnexpectedSmoreInquisition]] aka USI ([[User talk:UnexpectedSmoreInquisition|talk]]) 21:52, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
::::@[[User:UnexpectedSmoreInquisition|UnexpectedSmoreInquisition]] I don't think your edit was actually saved, my friend. [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 22:46, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for catching that, I probably would have closed it otherwise. Best regards, [[User:UnexpectedSmoreInquisition|UnexpectedSmoreInquisition]] aka USI ([[User talk:UnexpectedSmoreInquisition|talk]]) 22:50, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

== Wikipedia Server Error ==

[[File:English Wikipedia Error occurred on 28-11-2023 144913.jpeg|thumb]]
I just encountered a Wikipedia Server Error and I'm not sure where to report about it. So, I decided to come here.
The Screen was blanked and a message saying "'''503 Service Unavailable'''" was displayed, with additional text saying "'''No server is available to handle this request'''".
Tried refreshing the page; but the error returned for a while.
After a few minutes while refreshing the page; it redirected to the correct page.

I'm not sure what was the cause of this. It occurred at 14:49 (UTC), 28 November 2023 and stayed for a while. I added a Screenshot of the Error message for reference. [[User:Vestrian24Bio|𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸]] ([[User talk:Vestrian24Bio|ᴛᴀʟᴋ]]) 15:44, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:{{ping|Vestrian24Bio}} I was getting that a bunch of times this morning (in my time zone). After trying a page several times, I would finally get through; and before long the problem went away in all cases. I assume it was just an odd, non-[[WP:THURSDAY|Thursday]] hiccup in the WP software. Nobody seems to have mentioned it at the Village Pump, so the problem must have been short-lived and not too irksome. [[User:Deor|Deor]] ([[User talk:Deor|talk]]) 23:06, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

== Article Deleted Twice ==

Hello,

After the first deletion, I made extreme edits to make the article acceptable by Wikipedia. But, that version is also slated for speedy deletion. I actually mimicked the biography of a current article (replacing the person with my person) and it is still being flagged/deleted. How do I get it accepted if Wikipedia is no longer accepting an article that mimics a previously approved/published article?

Thanks. [[User:Noseallergy|Noseallergy]] ([[User talk:Noseallergy|talk]]) 00:40, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:It seems you have not engaged with the actual reason for rejection, which is the potential lack of notability. [[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:2px 0 0 2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:1px 3px;color:#000">留</span>]] 00:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
: Hi {{u|Noseallergy}}. Please take a look [[:WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]] for more details, but basically the draft you're working on is going to be assessed on its own merit (i.e. as to whether the subject you're trying to create a Wikipedia article is deemed ot be [[:WP:N|Wikipedia's notable]]). {{tq|Mimicking}} other existing articles doesn't make whatever your trying to write about Wikipedia notable since (1) it's possible those other article should've never been created to begin with and (2) the Wikipedia notability of those other subjects doesn't transfer to the subject you're trying to write about. What you're going to need to establish is that the person you're trying to write about meet [[:Wikipedia:Notability (people)]].{{pb}}Finally, if your question is about [[:Draft: Claudia Morales]], then that draft was deleted by a Wikipedia administrator named {{u|Deepfriedokra}} for being too promotional for Wikipedia's purposes even as a draft. It also looks as if Deepfriedokra has explained this to you at [[:User talk:Deepfriedokra#Page: Draft: Claudia Morales]]. Generally, those working on drafts are left alone to work at their own pace, and drafts are very rarely deleted by administrators unless they somehow violate a major Wikipedia policy. Apparently, Deepfriedokra felt that your draft was so promotional that [[:WP:TNT|it would need to be totally rewritten to even be acceptable as a draft]]. Deepfriedokra's assessment was also seconded by another Wikipedia administrator named {{u|Drmies}}. Does this mean that a Wikipedia article about " Claudia Morales" can never be created? That will depend on whether you're able to establish that (1) Morales satisfies one of [[:WP:SNG|Wikipedia's notability guidelines]] and (2) such an article can be written in a [[:Wikipedia:Neutral point of view]]. Creating a new article can be a difficult process, particulary for new Wikipedians. Perhaps by working on improving existing Wikipedia articles, you become more familiar with Wikipedia's main policies and guidelines, and thus be better equipped to take another shot at creating an article about Morales at some point down the road. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 00:51, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
::thank you. yes, I did get the messages from deepfriedokra after the first (deleted) submission. I have since removed all the promotional language that was once there. I was never able to go back to that original submisison page after the deletion to re-read the reason codes in the notice of termination so I wrote to her directly.
::Anyway, I will review notability guidelines and neutral point of view. Is the article still in "review" at this point?
::Thanks. [[User:Noseallergy|Noseallergy]] ([[User talk:Noseallergy|talk]]) 01:22, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:::The article appears to presently be deleted. You can still get its contents back if you need them by going to [[WP:Requests for undeletion]]: it's a painless process, don't worry. [[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:2px 0 0 2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:1px 3px;color:#000">留</span>]] 01:25, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:From the very first paragraph, [[User:Noseallergy|Noseallergy]], of the very last revision, is this: {{Olive|Her educational journey commenced in 1968 at an American school in Darmstadt, Germany, where she attended kindergarten and first grade. Later, her family moved back to Berlin, where she embarked on a transformative academic path at The John F. Kennedy School, a bilingual and bicultural German-American public school. This unique educational environment instilled in her the values of critical thinking, independence, and academic excellence, all while promoting international diversity rooted in mutual respect and cooperation.}} This manages an attempt at promoting her school even before it gets properly under way in an effort to promote ''her'', with: {{Olive|Her journey in photography began when she received her first camera, a Polaroid, at the tender age of twelve. Over the years, her creative instincts continued to flourish, compelling her to seek a broader, more international approach to her career aspirations.}} When you write for an encyclopedia, or anyway for this one, you write to ''inform'', not to impress. As pointed out above, [[WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS]]; but if you "actually mimicked the biography of a current article", then the latter must be quite unusually crappy. Which was it? -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) (whose age is tender), 01:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
::Hello,
::You have referenced the FIRST submitted version which was already deleted and rejected, so you have chimed in on a version not even being attempted any longer!
::So, please let me know from the submission dated 11/27/23, are the issues still notability and promotional language? I feel like we are going in circles and this is even more confusing.
::Thanks.  [[User:Noseallergy|Noseallergy]] ([[User talk:Noseallergy|talk]]) 22:52, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:::[[User:Noseallergy|Noseallergy]], we are trying our best to help.<br style="margin-bottom:0.5em"/>Presently, [[Special:Contributions/Noseallergy|this]] is a list of all your public edits, the ones we can see. If you are talking about another version of a page, then it has been deleted or we are otherwise not privy to it. You could try recreating the page at [[User:Noseallergy/Claudia Morales]], which is in your personal userspace, so you don't have to worry about it getting deleted again.<span id="Remsense:1701212849901:WikipediaFTTCLNTeahouse" class="FTTCmt"> [[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:2px 0 0 2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:1px 3px;color:#000">留</span>]] 23:07, 28 November 2023 (UTC)</span>
::::Oh, thank you so much for that. Yes, I don't see my new Sandbox draft that I created yesterday in the list. I used the Noseallergy sandbox and clicked on the Publish button there as instructed for submission. I wonder, then, if that version was never really reviewed? Here is what I submitted. Please let me know if you are not finding this version on your end and how I can get it reviewed. Thanks so much:{{cot|title=Draft content}}Claudia Morales<br>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia<br>'''Claudia Morales''', (born August 25, 1959) is an American interior designer based in Southern California.<br>Early life and education<br>Claudia Morales<br>Morales was born in [[West Berlin]], Germany, to an American serviceman and a German socialite mother. Growing up surrounded by the [[Berlin Wall]], her formative years were spent alongside her two older sisters. In 1968, she commenced her education at an American school in [[Darmstadt]], Germany, and later attended The [[John F. Kennedy School, Berlin|John F. Kennedy School]]<sup>[1]</sup> in Berlin—a bilingual and bi-cultural German-American public school. This distinctive educational setting instilled in her the values of critical thinking, independence, and academic excellence, fostering an environment that embraced international diversity rooted in mutual respect and cooperation.<br>Displaying an early aptitude for design aesthetics, Morales explored her interest in photography and interior design. She pursued her studies at the University of Maryland<sup>[2]</sup> in [[Munich]], earning a degree in Arts, Pre-law, and Graphic Design. Subsequently, she ventured to [[New York City]] to delve deeper into her passion.<br>In New York, Morales enrolled at the [[Fashion Institute of Technology]] (FIT) in 1982, obtaining a degree in Photography and Advertising Design. Her initial professional experiences included photographing print ads and engaging in fashion photography.<br>Subsequently, Morales relocated to [[San Diego State University|San Diego, California]], engaging in various creative pursuits that laid the foundation for her subsequent endeavors in [[Los Angeles]].<br>Career<br>Upon settling in [[Los Angeles]], Morales immersed herself in film and television post-production, assuming diverse creative roles. Her specialization included colorization for black-and-white films and serving as an art director for color effects in films, commercials, and music videos. She contributed to renowned projects such as New Line Cinema's motion picture "[[Pleasantville (film)|Pleasantville]]" and [[Judy Garland|Judy Garland’s]] black-and-white television performances.<br>Transitioning from her successful career in film and television, Morales pursued her dream of becoming an interior designer. She earned a degree in interior design at the [[University of California, Los Angeles]] (UCLA), culminating in the founding of ''Claudia Interior Design''<sup>[3]</sup>[https://www.hgtv.com/profiles/professionals/claudia-morales <nowiki>[1]</nowiki>] in 2001—a firm focused on the transformative design of kitchens and bathrooms.<br>Design Style and Influences<br>Bathroom Design<br>Morales's design style seamlessly blends modern aesthetics with functionality, drawing inspiration from design luminaries such as [[Richard Avedon|'''Richard Avedon''']]''', [[Charles and Ray Eames|Charles & Ray Eames]], [[Le Corbusier]], [[Eliel Saarinen|Saarinen]], [[Elsie de Wolfe]], [[Syrie Maugham]], and [[Eileen Gray]]'''. Her designs feature open concepts, a motif inspired by her experiences in Rome in 1988.<br>Awards and recognition<br>An active member of the [https://www.asid.org/find-a-pro/claudiamorales American Society of Interior Designers]<sup>[4]</sup> (ASID) since 2004, Morales has received the Best of [[Houzz]] award annually from 2015 to 2022 for both design and service.<br>References
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::::[https://contentdm.umgc.edu/digital/collection/p16240coll11/id/28/rec/24 1980-1981 Yearbook]
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::::[https://sllc.umd.edu/special-programs/education-abroad/german ''"German Education Abroad | School of Languages, Literatures, and Cultures"'']''. Retrieved 2023-11-27''
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::::[https://trendmag2.trendoffset.com/publication/?m=16439&i=349725&p=56&pre=1&ver=html5 ''"Close to Home"''] <code><nowiki>{{</nowiki></code>[[Template:Cite journal|cite journal]]<code><nowiki>}}</nowiki></code>: Check date values in: |<code>date=</code> ([[Help:CS1 errors#bad date|help]])
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::::[https://www.asid.org/find-a-pro/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.asid.org%2Ffind-a-pro%2Fclaudiamorales%3F656521553c69f ''"American Society of Interior Designers | ASID"'']''. Retrieved 2023-11-27''<br>External links<br>[https://www.consultclaudia.com/ Claudia Interior Design], [https://www.instagram.com/claudia_interior_design/ Instagram] , and [https://www.houzz.com/professionals/interior-designers-and-decorators/claudia-interior-design-pfvwus-pf~755003569? Houzz], [https://www.hgtv.com/profiles/professionals/claudia-morales HGTV], [https://www.linkedin.com/in/claudia-morales-2b7b8913/ LinkedIn].
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[[User:Noseallergy|Noseallergy]] ([[User talk:Noseallergy|talk]]) 23:23, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::There still aren't any [[WP:reliable sources|reliable sources]] whatsoever establishing the subject's [[WP:notability|notability]]. Please take a look at both those pages to get a better idea what sources can be used, and how they establish notability. Also, please use another page like one that I've provided, you don't have to submit anything right now, and this page is very vertically crowded already.<span id="Remsense:1701214038939:WikipediaFTTCLNTeahouse" class="FTTCmt"> [[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:2px 0 0 2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:1px 3px;color:#000">留</span>]] 23:27, 28 November 2023 (UTC)</span>
::::::hi. i did submit the page again. I hope we can continue our conversation from there. The magazine article and the ASID registration page for Claudia are not enough for notability? thanks.  [[User:Noseallergy|Noseallergy]] ([[User talk:Noseallergy|talk]]) 23:52, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::[[User:Noseallergy|Noseallergy]], there is no point in resubmitting the article over and over again, it is not presently in an acceptable state. we are trying to get it to the point where it might be accepted when you submit. Like I've said, I strongly suggest you read the policy page on [[WP:reliable sources|reliable sources]] to get a better idea of what sources are considered reliable. If it would help, there is also [[WP:RSP|a sizable table listing sources and discussing why they are considered the way they are.]]<br/>Here are things that do not establish notability whatsoever:<ul><li>Belonging to a trade organization</li><li>Having a website, Instagram, or linkedin profile, no matter what is on it, because that is user-generated.</li></ul>You require outside coverage from some source not close to the subject. You presently have no source like this, ideally, you'd have a couple to establish notability.<span id="Remsense:1701216163680:WikipediaFTTCLNTeahouse" class="FTTCmt"> [[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:2px 0 0 2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:1px 3px;color:#000">留</span>]] 00:02, 29 November 2023 (UTC)</span>
::::::::I submitted again because I believe my revision was not received at Wiki, since there was not dated note in the list you gave me.  [[User:Noseallergy|Noseallergy]] ([[User talk:Noseallergy|talk]]) 00:12, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::there is no purpose to submitting, the article will not be accepted in its present state, and you are making more work for other volunteers to do. [[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:2px 0 0 2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:1px 3px;color:#000">留</span>]] 00:20, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== Referencing a newspaper supplement ==

I'd like to reference an article in the arts supplement of a British Sunday newspaper from 1990. This pull-out section has separate pagination and is marked "E". If I gave the page-number as "E1", would that be acceptable? [[User:Per$1$tenceofv1$1on|Per$1$tenceofv1$1on]] ([[User talk:Per$1$tenceofv1$1on|talk]]) 01:31, 29 November 2023 (UTC)Per$1$tenceofv1$1on

:{{ping|Per$1$tenceofv1$1on}} Yes it would. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 01:40, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:Per$1$tenceofv1$1on|Per$1$tenceofv1$1on]] ([[User talk:Per$1$tenceofv1$1on|talk]]) 01:47, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== Add List of Gait Types in Gait Article ==

I'm new here & trying to figure out how all this works.  I asked a question on Gait:Talk but didn't get a reply so thought I'd ask it here.  

In the Gait article, I'm interested in adding a section called Gait Types that would give a description of various gait types (e.g., walk, trot, gallop, etc.) While various gaits are mentioned in this article, it doesn't give a description of each one. Is this the best article to add such a list? Or, is there a better place to put the list. Once the list is added, then when other articles mention a particular gait, it can be linked here, so the description of the gait does not have to be repeated. Most of the info would be from Elbroch's "Mammal Tracks & Sign". Wanted to get people's opinions, as once I spend the time to create the list, I didn't want it to be immediately deleted if people thought it was not useful.  [[User:Sunandshade|Sunandshade]] ([[User talk:Sunandshade|talk]]) 01:54, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

:At a quick look, there is a gap on WP for a list of gait types. It's unclear whether it should be a section on [[Gait]], or a self-standing 'List of...' article. That might depend on how long it is, and how general versus how species-specific it is; and whether or not it lists abnormal gaits. You mention "walk, trot, gallop, etc.", but I see on [[Gait (human)]] eight or so abnormal gaits; and then, on [[Gait]], concepts such as 'alternating tripod gait of walking desert ants'. If we're agreed that there is a gap, then it's probably fine to start the work wherever - such as in [[Gait]] - since if necessary it can be moved. Seems to be it would only be deleted if it was terrible work, or a copyvio, so maybe avoid both of those? --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 02:30, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you for your confirmation that it is needed.  My plan was to have a short description of common gaits so it would be a short list (to start, at least).  I'll start by putting it in Gait & see how it fits in.  I plan to get some info from the book I mentioned.  The book is 600+ pages long & I plan to used a few concepts from it so I assume it would not be a copyright problem (just guessing here).  I'll try to do quality work.
::Once I have it written, it would be nice if other articles can link to a specific gait (e.g., trot).  I know how to link to an article, or a section in an article, but how do you link to a specific sentence/paragraph in an article? [[User:Sunandshade|Sunandshade]] ([[User talk:Sunandshade|talk]]) 02:42, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

:::It is not very likely that other articles will link to the list. I suspect for any major gait, WP will have an article - [[trot]], [[canter and gallop]], [[running]] &c - and it is to these that uses of the term in other articles should link. There is information at [[Help:Link#Section linking (anchors)]] for how to link to units smaller than a section, but it is rarely done on WP afaik. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 02:47, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== How do I delete an image? ==

Article I'm improving: ''[[Letterpress (video game)|Letterpress]]''

I've found an alternative image that I can use for the infobox, but it would be useless having two images of the same logo. How do I delete an image from Wikipedia? [[User:TrademarkedTarantula|<span style="color: green">Tarantula</span><span style="color: black"><sup>TM</sup></span>]] ([[User talk:TrademarkedTarantula|speak with me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/TrademarkedTarantula|my legacy]]) 02:45, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

:You do not need to delete anything. If you have a better image for the infobox, remove the small fair use image filename from <code>| image = App icon for Letterpress iOS.png</code> and add your newly found filename. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 02:49, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== Deleting article draft ==

Hello, I attempted to make my first article but after feedback I realize that it should not be made as it does not meet notability criteria. Other than waiting for enough time to elapse without edits, is there a way to "delete" the article draft? I'm sorry if it's obvious and I simply missed it. I really appreciate the help <3 [[User:Thyrogoblin|Thyrogoblin]] ([[User talk:Thyrogoblin|talk]]) 01:32, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

:{{ping|Thyrogoblin}} Add {{tl|db-self}} to it. That'll do it. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 01:39, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::With that tag at the top, an Admin will get to it. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 02:52, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== Upscaling infobox image? ==

Article I'm about to nominate for GA status: ''[[Letterpress (video game)|Letterpress]]''

Currently, the game's icon isn't as large as I wanted to be. I'd like the main image to match articles like ''[[Doodle Jump]]'' or ''[[Angry Birds]]'', but I don't know how to edit an image. Thanks, [[User:TrademarkedTarantula|<span style="color: green">Tarantula</span><span style="color: black"><sup>TM</sup></span>]] ([[User talk:TrademarkedTarantula|speak with me]]) ([[Special:Contributions/TrademarkedTarantula|my legacy]]) 01:01, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

:{{ping|TrademarkedTarantula}} It's a fair-use image of minimal size. The Doodle Jump.png image copyright has been confirmed as CC licenced. Angry Birds is judged  not meet the threshold of originality needed for copyright protection. Letterpress is considered to be copyright protected, and so you will not be able to expand its size. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 01:43, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:This image almost certainly falls below the [[c:COM:TOO US|threshold of originality in the US]], and can be uploaded at high resolution on Commons. No comment on how to edit the image. [[User:Mach61|Mach61]] ([[User talk:Mach61|talk]]) 03:20, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== Redirect hatnote with accent ==

[[Ponzoña]] redirects to [[Américo Rocca]], and I added a [[Template:Redirect]] hatnote for the [[Purple Kiss]] song that has the same name but without the accent. However, I added the hatnote without the accent since Ponzona (without the accent) leads you to the redirect page with the accent. Should the hatnote have the accent? [[User:Ayakanaa|<span style="color:#8b005b">ayakanaa</span>]] <small>( [[User talk:Ayakanaa|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Ayakanaa|c]] )</small> 03:57, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== Reviewed article not indexed by Google ==

I created the article [[Redmond Central Connector]] over two weeks ago. It was reviewed the same day I created it. However, Google is not indexing it. Other reviewed pages of a similar age are being indexed. How can I fix this, if possible? [[User:DirtyHarry991|DirtyHarry991]] ([[User talk:DirtyHarry991|talk]]) 00:30, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

:You're right, it's not indexed by Google but is by, say, Duckduckgo. I can't suggest anything; we've [[WP:CALIPH|had problems with Google before, but it's wholly outside of our control]]. [[User:Edward-Woodrow|Edward-Woodrow]] ([[User talk:Edward-Woodrow|talk]]) 00:35, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:It might just have bad SEO, if you haven't looked multiple pages. [[@hotel]], which I moved to mainspace, doesn't show up at the top of searches for "athotel" (and "@hotel" is identical to "hotel") [[User:Mach61|Mach61]] ([[User talk:Mach61|talk]]) 00:44, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:DirtyHarry991|DirtyHarry991]] i tried checking the cached version of the page and it is showing a different wiki page: [[Eastside Rail Corridor]]. Have you implemented the redirection from Redmond Central Connector to Eastside Rail Corridor earlier?  [[User:Vbhavanisankar|Vbhavanisankar]] ([[User talk:Vbhavanisankar|talk]]) 04:56, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::[[Redmond Central Connector]] originally redirected to [[Eastside Rail Corridor]]. When I wrote the article for Redmond Central Connector, an admin performed a round-robin move so I could create the page. [[User:DirtyHarry991|DirtyHarry991]] ([[User talk:DirtyHarry991|talk]]) 07:48, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you for checking the caches, it appears that Google has not crawled any of the pages that link to my article since Nov. 12. I will try making edits to linked pages to see if that will make it update. [[User:DirtyHarry991|DirtyHarry991]] ([[User talk:DirtyHarry991|talk]]) 07:53, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:::You're welcome. You can try sharing the link on social media handles to enhance the chances of the page being indexed by Google. Additionally, since the page has very few words, consider adding more content.  [[User:Vbhavanisankar|Vbhavanisankar]] ([[User talk:Vbhavanisankar|talk]]) 07:58, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== Article to be Posted With no Reply ==

I've sent an article for review in May 2023, and I still have no reply if it was accepted or not. Please help to clarify on how long does it take to get a response. Thank you! [[User:ChanthyChun|ChanthyChun]] ([[User talk:ChanthyChun|talk]]) 17:25, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:According to your Talk page, [[Draft:ByDzyne]] was Declined twice in 2020 and then deleted in 2021 for inactivity. Your contributions show no other activity. What was the title of the article you are asking about? [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 17:46, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
::The title is ByDzyne Inc. [[User:ChanthyChun|ChanthyChun]] ([[User talk:ChanthyChun|talk]]) 22:50, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Wikipedia does not show a draft titled [[Draft:ByDzyne Inc.]] or [[Draft:Byzyne]] [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 02:46, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::::Did you recently create a new version which was then Speedy deleted, leaving no trace of its existence? [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 08:08, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== Commons User:Abhilash Pillai V ==
*Courtesy link: [[:c:User:Abhilash Pillai V]]
This page created on wikipedia has been rejecting saying that the username exists already

[[User:Abhilash Pillai V|Abhilash Pillai V]] ([[User talk:Abhilash Pillai V|talk]]) 06:58, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:At Commons you created an article-like page that has been nominated for Speedy deletion. Commmons is for images. At Wikipedia you created the same content at your User page [[User:Abhilash Pillai V]]. This has also been nominated for Speedy deletion. See [[WP:UP]] for purposes of User page. If you are convinced that you as a topic is article worthy (see [[WP:AUTO]]) then use [[WP:YFA]] to create and submit a draft. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 08:03, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

:[[User:Abhilash Pillai V|Abhilash Pillai V]], I notice that your page [[User:Abhilash Pillai V]] tells the reader that "his unwavering commitment to filmmaking soon bore fruit". I get the impression from this kind of thing that you wish to promote yourself here. Comments? -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 09:19, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== Using a Wikidata photo on a Wikipedia page ==

Somewhere I saw a page explaining how to do this and how attribute properly but I have no idea where it is now. So... what is the proper form of attribution under Creative Commons licence CC0 and where do I put it? Thank you so much. [[User:Oona Wikiwalker|Oona Wikiwalker]] ([[User talk:Oona Wikiwalker|talk]]) 08:47, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:[[User:Oona Wikiwalker|Oona Wikiwalker]], if you see a photo at Wikidata, it's already at Wikimedia Commons. And since it's there, you can use it in Wikipedia. Click on it, get its title, and use that. Example: [[:c:File:Facing library at the University of Rochester.jpg]] is a photo at Commons that's not yet used in Wikipedia. In order to use it, add [[:File:Facing library at the University of Rochester.jpg]] to the article. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 09:14, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::What a relief! Thank you so much![[User:Oona Wikiwalker|Oona Wikiwalker]] ([[User talk:Oona Wikiwalker|talk]]) 09:31, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== Music ==

I am a Canadian singer, songwriter with music on all major streaming channels. I am a member of the CCMA and CMA. I have recorded a total 31 songs and released 26 so far. My distributor is Distrokid. I would appreciate If I could be part of the Singer, Songwriter list.
Thanks
Malcolm Foenander [[Special:Contributions/2001:1970:4BA8:6000:B45A:9F1B:6C9D:FB6|2001:1970:4BA8:6000:B45A:9F1B:6C9D:FB6]] ([[User talk:2001:1970:4BA8:6000:B45A:9F1B:6C9D:FB6|talk]]) 20:20, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:That's probably not going to happen, Malcolm Foenander. [[Singer-songwriter]] features very well known Singer-songwriters. Your career seems to be a couple of years old? [https://www.northumberlandnews.com/things-to-do/cobourg-singer-songwriters-dream-takes-flight-with-recording-of-his-material/article_fe2ed6b1-046a-52e6-b8f9-70b7d6b19f5c.html] Beyond that observation, wikipedia does not take requests for inclusions on lists. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 20:31, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
::[[List of singer-songwriters]] includes all who have a page, and no other criteria. If you [[WP:NSINGER|meet the criteria to have a page]], you may be listed, but please note that [[WP:AUTO|we recommend people not to write articles about themselves]]. [[User:Mach61|Mach61]] ([[User talk:Mach61|talk]]) 20:53, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:Hello, Malcolm. Basically, like hundreds of artists, business people, and others, you have the erroneous basic assumption that Wikipedia is a place to publicize yourself. It is not, in any way. Wikipedia can have an article about you ''only'' if you have been indepedently written ''about'' sufficiently to meet Wikipedia's criteria for [[WP:notability]], and if that does happen, the article will not belong to you, will not be controlled by you, and will not necessarily say what you want it to say. I suggest you concentrate on places that allow promotion. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 10:58, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== One wiki account login to two device. ==

Actually I wanted to know from senior wikipedians, if it is possible to access only one account on the two device (like office system and my phone)? This is my account that remains connected to the office system. But I'm often not in the office. Can I sign in to the same account on my phone? What is your approach? Please guide me. 

Thanks with regards! [[User:Youknowwhoistheman|Youknowwhoistheman]] ([[User talk:Youknowwhoistheman|talk]]) 10:54, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

:{{ping|Youknowwhoistheman}} Yes, it is absolutely possible to stay logged in to the same account on multiple devices – if you select "Keep me logged in" while logging in, as long as you do not click the log out button and have cookies enabled in your browser (if you don't know if cookies are enabled, they probably are), you should automatically remain logged in. [[User:Tollens|Tollens]] ([[User talk:Tollens|talk]]) 11:03, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== Can anyone tell me, where is problem in my draft? ==

[[draft: Needy Foundation]]  [[User:Md Shahedul Alam Khan|Md Shahedul Alam Khan]] ([[User talk:Md Shahedul Alam Khan|talk]]) 06:53, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Md Shahedul Alam Khan|Md Shahedul Alam Khan]]: Welcome to the Teahouse!  To demonstrate that this organization meets Wikipedia's definition of a [[WP:NORG|"notable" organization]], you should write the draft based on what [[WP:IS|independent sources]] have published about the organization.   At first glance, it appears that 13 of the 16 references are from the Needy Foundation, which would be primary sources.  However, at closer inspection, it appears that you uploaded photos to Wikimedia Commons and then using them as sources, and these cannot be used as references.  If you are being paid by this organization, or you are otherwise affiliated with the organization, then you have a [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] that you need to [[WP:DISCLOSECOI|disclose]] before continuing with the draft. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 07:02, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:Md Shahedul Alam Khan|Md Shahedul Alam Khan]], Infobox lists you as the founder. Are you trying to create an article for your organization? [[User:Jeraxmoira|Jeraxmoira]] ([[User talk:Jeraxmoira|talk]]) 07:43, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:Hello, Md Shahedul Alam Khan. Like most inexperienced Wikipedia editors who try the challenging task of creating an article, you have gone about it [[WP:BACKWARDS|BACKWARDS]] (please read the essay at that link). 
:I always advise new editors to spend some weeks or months learning how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles before trying this difficult task. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 11:10, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== Mass Change ==

Hello, Teahouse. Today my question is as follows: would it be recommended to change (move/reformat) all articles pertaining to the supreme court in one of the United States into this format for consistency: (Supreme Court of XXXX)? I noticed inconsistency within the titles throughout various states and this format would fit all states consistently. Best regards, [[User:UnexpectedSmoreInquisition|UnexpectedSmoreInquisition]] aka USI ([[User talk:UnexpectedSmoreInquisition|talk]]) 18:45, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

:Hi [[User:UnexpectedSmoreInquisition|UnexpectedSmoreInquisition]]. I think such a mass change would be unwise. The names of the highest courts are set by each state (presumably in each state's constitution). Some of the states' highest courts don't even have the term "supreme court" contained in their name (e.g. New York Court of Appeals, Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court). Consistency in related article titles is one of our [[WP:CRITERIA|article title criteria]], but getting the names right is more important. [[User:Firefangledfeathers|Firefangledfeathers]] ([[User talk:Firefangledfeathers|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers|contribs]]) 18:51, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you, @[[User:Firefangledfeathers|Firefangledfeathers]]. I was under the assumption the names were colloquial, not legal. My mistake. [[User:UnexpectedSmoreInquisition|UnexpectedSmoreInquisition]] aka USI ([[User talk:UnexpectedSmoreInquisition|talk]]) 18:53, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Happy to help! [[User:Firefangledfeathers|Firefangledfeathers]] ([[User talk:Firefangledfeathers|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Firefangledfeathers|contribs]]) 18:54, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Hello, UnexpectedSmoreInquisition. Actually the primary choice of name is neither official nor colloquial but whatever name is used in the bulk of the reliable sources: see [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. So if in fact all the newspapers referred to all the courts as "Supreme Court of XXXX" then your consistent choice would be appropriate. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 10:53, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::::Well, luckily for me, it seems each supreme court has a website that states their name. However, news reports are conflicting on some, but I'll comb through a couple and report back here later. Best regards, [[User:UnexpectedSmoreInquisition|UnexpectedSmoreInquisition]] aka USI ([[User talk:UnexpectedSmoreInquisition|talk]]) 12:04, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== DYK entry ==

I decided to post a new DYK entry for the main page. I've never done it before, but it looks buggy on the talk page there. I wasn't sure where to post about it looking bugged out, [[Template talk:Did you know]] , and I wasn't sure how to fix it. Anyone around that knows what to do? Regards [[User:Govvy|Govvy]] ([[User talk:Govvy|talk]]) 11:53, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

:nm, I think I fixed it. [[User:Govvy|Govvy]] ([[User talk:Govvy|talk]]) 12:05, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Govvy|Govvy]] Yes, that did it (despite my subsequent attempt to mess things up, which I self-reverted)! [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 12:38, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

==   hi the fix  ==

'''You are not logged in.''' To be notified when someone replies and receive attribution with your name instead of your IP address, you can [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin&returntoquery=&returnto=Wikipedia%3ATeahouse log in] or [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin/signup&returntoquery=&returnto=Wikipedia%3ATeahouse create an account].

By clicking "Add topic", you agree to our [[foundation:Terms_of_Use|Ter]] [[Special:Contributions/50.214.163.201|50.214.163.201]] ([[User talk:50.214.163.201|talk]]) 12:48, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

:Hello! I can't understand your question – if you were looking to experiment, please use the [[WP:SANDBOX|sandbox]]. If you do have a question about using or editing Wikipedia, would you please clarify what you're asking about? [[User:Tollens|Tollens]] ([[User talk:Tollens|talk]]) 12:52, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== Article update ==

Hi. I'm trying to update my wikipedia page with proof that a section was purely rumours. I have sworn affidavits to provide and would like to have my edit approved please. [[User:Ralimampeule|Ralimampeule]] ([[User talk:Ralimampeule|talk]]) 13:44, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:{{u|Ralimampeule}} Hello and welcome.  Court documents or affidavits are [[WP:PRIMARY|primary sources]].  If the sources summarized in the '''article about you'''(not "your wikipedia page") are not being summarized accurately, please detail the errors on [[Talk:Rali Mampeule]] along with independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] that support your proposed edits.  If the sources are summarized accurately, but are in error, you will need to first take that up with the sources, but then follow the advice either on your user talk page, or at [[WP:LIBEL]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 13:53, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== Cannot change the title of our page after name change ==

Dear All,

How can I change the title of an article (in our case United Business School) to reflect our rebranding (change to "UBI Business School"): [[United Business Institutes]]

Thank you! [[User:Vincentwy.tam|Vincentwy.tam]] ([[User talk:Vincentwy.tam|talk]]) 14:43, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:{{u|Vincentwy.tam}} Hello and welcome.  Changing the title of an article requires what in Wikipedia jargon is called a page move; you may request this at [[WP:RM|Requested Moves]]- but first you will will need to declare your relationship with this institution.  If you work for them, see [[WP:PAID]].  If you have some other relationship with them where you are not paid, see [[WP:COI]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 14:51, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== Notability ==

Are there special significance criteria for deceased people? [[Special:Contributions/178.204.152.206|178.204.152.206]] ([[User talk:178.204.152.206|talk]]) 03:23, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

:No. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 03:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

::No, the [[WP:NPERSON|Notability guideline for people]] applies to all people, living or dead. There is a special, stringent policy for biographies of living people because of the potential for real damage that a poorly written biography presents. See [[WP:BLP]] for complete details. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 03:30, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Thanks very much [[Special:Contributions/178.204.152.206|178.204.152.206]] ([[User talk:178.204.152.206|talk]]) 03:42, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:::But in the articles that lists deceased people not all of them are notable; for example, see [[Deaths in 2023]]. [[User:Aminabzz|Aminabzz]] ([[User talk:Aminabzz|talk]]) 17:07, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Aminabzz|Aminabzz]]: There's a comment in the article which states "If a Wikipedia article for the dead does not yet exist, reconsider whether the subject is actually notable. If so, consider writing an article yourself. Those without a Wikipedia article are removed after one month." [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 17:11, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== Unable To Upload Content ==

I don't why, but for some time I am unable to access Wikipedia commons and cant upload any material. Was I banned? [[User:Procrastinater|Procrastinater]] ([[User talk:Procrastinater|talk]]) 07:48, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:Hi, @[[User:Procrastinater|Procrastinater]]! You do not seem to be blocked from Commons. Are you sure you are logged in there? <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- [[User:Maddy from Celeste|Maddy from Celeste]] ([[User talk:Maddy from Celeste|WAVEDASH]])</b> 08:13, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Procrastinater|Procrastinater]]: Welcome to the Teahouse!  If you provide more details, we can provide more assistance.  What is the URL of the Wikimedia Commons page you are trying to access?  What steps are you performing on that page?  What results are you receiving? [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 15:02, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::Hi, [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]]. I get this error as soon as i launch wikipedia commons home page using URL:https://commons.wikimedia.org/
::This site can’t be reached
::'''commons.wikimedia.org'''’s <abbr>DNS address</abbr> could not be found. Diagnosing the problem.
::DNS_PROBE_POSSIBLE
::I have designed some vector images for different forces , wanted to upload them. Please Help.  [[User:Procrastinater|Procrastinater]] ([[User talk:Procrastinater|talk]]) 17:18, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:::That's a problem at your end - in your computer / phone or router. See https://www.wpoven.com/blog/dns_probe_possible/ for instance. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 17:21, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Procrastinater|Procrastinater]]: If you can't resolve that issue in a reasonable amount of time, you could upload the images to the English Wikipedia, and then ask for help to have them exported to Commons. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 17:24, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== Moving draft with review pending to mainspace ==

Hi, I recently just created my first article through the AfC process, and now it's been waiting for a review for a couple days. I realised that as an autoconfirmed user I can just move the draft into mainspace and I'm fairly confident that the article is up to standard. Am I allowed to remove the "Review Waiting" tag and move the page? Here is the article draft in question: [[Draft:College Square (Dublin)]] [[User:LynxesDesmond|LynxesDesmond]] ([[User talk:LynxesDesmond|talk]]) 18:18, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:{{ping|LynxesDesmond}} You are, yes. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 20:17, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
::Not specific to this situation at all—just in general: if you are autoconfirmed and put something in the mainspace, you want to be prepared to defend it at [[WP:AfD|Articles for Deletion]] if someone thinks the sources you provide don't show that the subject meets [[WP:GNG|criteria for a standalone article]]. [[User:Rotideypoc41352|Rotideypoc41352]] ([[User talk:Rotideypoc41352|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Rotideypoc41352|contribs]]) 18:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== Filling in missing chemicals ==

Is it useful to start creating articles from red links on [[User:Graeme_Bartlett/missing_chemicals]]? I noticed that some of these articles might already exist or have disambiguation-style articles already (e.g., a listed missing article is [[Amyl bromide]], but this is covered under [[Bromopentane]] though the specific chemical amyl bromide is referring to does not have its own article (which would probably be titled [[1-Bromopentane]]). The info on most of these pages I would be creating would have a basic chembox with information from Pubchem/Chemspider and a physical description from CAMEO, maybe some uses if they're easily found on Pubchem literature. [[User:Reconrabbit|Reconrabbit]] ([[User talk:Reconrabbit|talk]]) 17:49, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:I want to add that for a lot of these chemicals, it's difficult to provide more information than a cursory description and their physical properties, as most of the literature covering more in-depth use are primary sources from scientific journals and would require published synthesis that does not exist yet. [[User:Reconrabbit|Reconrabbit]] ([[User talk:Reconrabbit|talk]]) 17:56, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Reconrabbit|Reconrabbit]] There are a lot of "missing" chemicals which would have plenty of secondary sources: natural products for example. However, if you want specific types almost certain to be notable, take a look a the red links on [[list of insecticides]], [[list of fungicides]] and [[list of herbicides]]. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 18:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== No Edit Button, Only Edit Source ==

Hi all. I am trying to make edits to an article I wrote, but for some reason, the "edit" button has completely disappeared, and I can only see "edit source" now to edit the wikicode. Does anyone know what happened and how I can get the "edit" button back so I can edit the page using the visual editor? [[User:Spatton27|Spatton27]] ([[User talk:Spatton27|talk]]) 19:31, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
: {{re|Spatton27}} Check the Editing section of your Preferences to see if "Enable visual editor" somehow became unselected.  [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 19:36, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Spatton27|Spatton27]] to add to this, you can have both appear as well. That is useful if you prefer doing different tasks with the visual editor vs the code editor
::But also in some namespaces you can't use visual editor, here you can only edit source for example. [[User:Immanuelle|'''Immanuel'''le]] ❤️💚💙 [[User_talk:Immanuelle|(talk to the cutest Wikipedian)]] 19:40, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Spatton27|Spatton27]] In addition to the advice above, whenever you're using one of our two editors, it's easy to switch back and forth between them at any time during the editing process (even without saving what you're doing). Look for the dark, sloping pencil icon on the right-hand side of the editing toolbar menu. Click that and you can select the other one to work with, and then switch back again if you want to. (I do this quite a bit when working with citations, as I prefer entering my details in source editor before returning to Visual Editor to carry on editing). Hope this helps. Regards, [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 19:52, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you all so much! I was able to access the visual editor using the pencil as you recommended. I appreciate your quick help! [[User:Spatton27|Spatton27]] ([[User talk:Spatton27|talk]]) 21:01, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== Two questions ==

Hullo, peolpes. This was originally just one question, but I realized I had another question.
Question one: I recently decided to have some topicons on my user page, and I was wondering if there was any way to have the topicons in a specific order, or if it is just random.
Question two: I have a user subpage for my awards. I was asking if there was a way to have the award templates in a sort of "gallery" similar to image galleries.
That's all. Thanccs!
[[User:Antrotherkus|Antrotherkus]] ([[User talk:Antrotherkus|Talk to me!]]) 21:52, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

:For topicons order, you should be able to use {{parameter|sortkey}}. [[User:Edward-Woodrow|Edward-Woodrow]] ([[User talk:Edward-Woodrow|talk]]) 21:57, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== Royal titulary ==

In articles for Ancient Egyptian Pharaohs (from [[Akhenaten]] to [[Senusret III]] and others), in the infobox there is a "Royal titulary" with a "show" link with it. But when we click on the show button nothing happens. [[User:Aminabzz|Aminabzz]] ([[User talk:Aminabzz|talk]]) 17:11, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

:Works for me. Try raising the issue at [[Template talk:Infobox pharaoh]]. Also try different browsers, disabling extensions, etc. [[User:Sungodtemple|Sungodtemple]] ([[User talk:Sungodtemple|talk]] &#8226; [[Special:Contributions/Sungodtemple|contribs]]) 17:24, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:Works for me too. @[[User:Sungodtemple|Sungodtemple]], your username kinda sounds like it was written in hieroglyphs originally! And I'm a little surprised I actually spelled hieroglyphs correctly. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 18:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::{{ping|Aminabzz}} Most editors use the desktop site where it works for me but it's broken in [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhenaten mobile]. Please say if you use the mobile version when you report interface and layout issues. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 18:12, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::{{ping|PrimeHunter}} Yes; I'm using mobile phone. I will try on desktop too. [[User:Aminabzz|Aminabzz]] ([[User talk:Aminabzz|talk]]) 18:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Aminabzz}} The bottom of pages in the mobile version have a "Desktop" link. This works for me on an iPhone 8. If I log out in mobile then a third thing happens: There is no show link (and the hidden content is still not displayed). I will look into the issue more when I have better time and see if I can fix it or report it to the right people. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 18:48, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::::I used the desktop version and it worked. I also logged out on mobile and I didn't see the show link just like you. [[User:Aminabzz|Aminabzz]] ([[User talk:Aminabzz|talk]]) 22:24, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== "mark my edits as minor by default" ==

Where'd that go? Did the minor-edits-are-bad-we-should-deprecate-them group succeed in removing that option via an RfC? [[User:Edward-Woodrow|Edward-Woodrow]] ([[User talk:Edward-Woodrow|talk]]) 21:56, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:Edward-Woodrow|Edward-Woodrow]]. It was removed from the English Wikipedia in 2011 after huge support at [[Help talk:Minor edit/Archive 1#Should we remove the Preference setting to "Mark all edits minor by default" ?]] and [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 69#"Mark all edits as minor by default" should be disabled]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 22:40, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::In 2011? Funny, I only started editing last year. Clearly, my memory is playing tricks on me... [[User:Edward-Woodrow|Edward-Woodrow]] ([[User talk:Edward-Woodrow|talk]]) 22:47, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Edward-Woodrow}} [[Special:CentralAuth/Edward-Woodrow]] shows you have edited several Wikimedia wikis. The English Wikipedia is the only one where the option is removed. It's done with code in https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=CommonSettings.php:
:::<syntaxhighlight lang="php">
// T26313, turn off minordefault on enwiki
if ( $wgDBname === 'enwiki' ) {
	$wgHiddenPrefs[] = 'minordefault';
}
</syntaxhighlight>
:::There may be some editing tool which adds a similar option for edits made with the tool. The removed preference was at [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing]], and still is at other wikis like [[:commons:Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 23:04, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== Signing again ==

Whenever I edit my entries on teahouse or talk pages I remove my previous signature and add the four tildes again (on both mobile and desktop views) Because the hour of previous signature differs from current time.

Is it a must do in editing the talk entries? If yes, can we have it fixed so that we don't have to resign our talk entries when editing them? I mean to have signatures update on their own. [[User:Aminabzz|Aminabzz]] ([[User talk:Aminabzz|talk]]) 22:43, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

:{{Re|Aminabzz}} I don't think I've ever edited the date on my signature, and I don't think you should. It's supposed to be when the comment was added, also to give some clarity on the timeline of the discussion.
:By the way, if you add five tildes (<code><nowiki>~~~~~</nowiki></code>), you'll get just the date (<code>23:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)</code>) <span style="border-radius:10em;padding:0 7q;background:#111">[[User:QuickQuokka|<span style="color:#0DF">Quick</span><span style="color:#FAB">Quokka</span>]]</span> <sup>[⁠[[User talk:QuickQuokka|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/QuickQuokka|contribs]]]</sup> 23:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Aminabzz|Aminabzz]]: {{section link|Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#Editing own comments}} says that {{tq|Best practice is to add a new timestamp, e.g., <code><nowiki><ins>; edited ~~~~~</ins></nowiki></code>, using five tildes, after the original timestamp at the end of your post.}} [[User:Rusty4321|<span style="background-color:#272;color:#ff0">'''Rusty4321'''</span>]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Rusty4321|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contribs/Rusty4321|contribs]]</sup> 23:18, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== Why is this message a warning? ==

When you want to log in to your account (on mobile view) you see this message:

"'''Wikipedia is made by people like you.'''

Log in to contribute."

But the message has a warning sign. Why is this a warning? This is just a simple sentence about Wikipedia.

Please remove the warning sign. [[User:Aminabzz]] ([[User talk:Aminabzz|talk]]) 22:37, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

:[[User:Aminabzz|Aminabzz]] where? [[User:Sungodtemple|Sungodtemple]] ([[User talk:Sungodtemple|talk]] &#8226; [[Special:Contributions/Sungodtemple|contribs]]) 22:32, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::Sorry, I again forgot to mention the browser and OS. I will edit the entry. [[User:Aminabzz|Aminabzz]] ([[User talk:Aminabzz|talk]]) 22:35, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Aminabzz}} The icon can be seen by logged out users at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&uselang=qqx uselang=qqx] shows that we can change the text at [[MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-generic-login-new]] but the icon is added by MediaWiki itself. I don't know why a warning icon is used. MediaWiki changes can be requested at [[WP:PHAB|Phabricator]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 22:55, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::::{{Re|PrimeHunter}} Agreed. It's too menacing to novice unregistered editors, because it's a big scary sign that confuses people. <span style="border-radius:10em;padding:0 7q;background:#111">[[User:QuickQuokka|<span style="color:#0DF">Quick</span><span style="color:#FAB">Quokka</span>]]</span> <sup>[⁠[[User talk:QuickQuokka|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/QuickQuokka|contribs]]]</sup> 23:02, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::::"You are already logged in as Aminabzz. Use the form below to log in as another user."
::::Even this has a warning icon! [[User:Aminabzz|Aminabzz]] ([[User talk:Aminabzz|talk]]) 23:31, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== Wikipedia Library ==

Hello Teahouse. Today my question is: could someone with access to the Wikipedia library please help me out? I'm aware I do not have access to the resources within, but wish to research a subject somewhat hard to find sources for, but close to completion. The article in question is about [[Draft:Fueskichelcher|fueskichelcher]], a Luxembourgish pastry. I'm trying to find just a couple more citations. Best regards, [[User:UnexpectedSmoreInquisition|UnexpectedSmoreInquisition]] aka USI ([[User talk:UnexpectedSmoreInquisition|talk]]) 14:32, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:Hi @[[User:UnexpectedSmoreInquisition|UnexpectedSmoreInquisition]]! I have performed searches for all three terms specified in your draft in ProQuest and EBSCOhost, which turned up nothing useful. However, I proceeded to also search with the free Google Scholar, which gave me a citation to a book called ''Lëtzebuergesch schwätzen: Einblick in die luxemburgische Sprache''. I cannot get the book myself, but maybe you can find it at a library. I also found an article in Russian, called "Люксембургская кулинарная лексика: страноведческий и языковой аспекты" there. It's available online, but I'm not sure whether it's okay to link here. Hope this helps. <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- [[User:Maddy from Celeste|Maddy from Celeste]] ([[User talk:Maddy from Celeste|WAVEDASH]])</b> 14:57, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:{{ec}} @[[User:UnexpectedSmoreInquisition|UnexpectedSmoreInquisition]]: Welcome to the Teahouse!  I went to the [[Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library]] page, and found that you could also ask for assistance at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request]].  Happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 15:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::Just adding that if you go to resource request it will be much more helpful if you can ask for a specific source. Editors there aren't intending to do the research for you, just to give you access to the sources that you're paywalled from. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 23:46, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== How to fix my draft for publishing? ==

hello i have been trying to publish an article ([[Draft:1947: Brexit India|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:1947:_Brexit_India]]) but it gets declined every time. I, infact, also added the news articles available in the public domain in the reference section yet its getting turned down. Can you tell me the reason for this and how to fix this. [[User:Offmark1|Offmark1]] ([[User talk:Offmark1|talk]]) 12:45, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

:Hello, Offmark1, and welcome to the Teahouse. The ''only'' way to fix this is by finding sources which actually contribute to establishing that the film is [[WP:notable|notable]]. Some of them may be [[WP:RS|reliable]] (though the [[WP:TOI|Times of India]] is not widely regarded that way) but none of them appear to be [[WP:IS|independent]] of Irani and his associates. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in [[WP:reliable sources|reliable sources]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 13:08, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Offmark1|Offmark1]] you might find [[WP:ICTFSOURCES]] useful. It's a list of sources by reliability specifically maintained by the cinema task force of [[WP:INDIA]]. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 23:48, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== Editing in two languages ==

I would like to edit in two languages. I understand that the number of my contributions is liked to various editing privileges: does that mean I need to maintain two accounts, one for each language ?
Or will a single account be able to handle different privileges in different languages ?  (eg allowed to edit semi-protected articles in language A but not allowed to in language B) [[User:דןברקת|דןברקת]] ([[User talk:דןברקת|talk]]) 08:03, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:Hi, @[[User:דןברקת|דןברקת]], and welcome to the Teahouse! Since [[WP:SUL|unified login]] was introduced, accounts on all Wikimedia projects are linked. This means you just need to login to the other wiki, and an account will be created for you automatically. And yes, edit counts are counted separately for each wiki, as you describe. <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- [[User:Maddy from Celeste|Maddy from Celeste]] ([[User talk:Maddy from Celeste|WAVEDASH]])</b> 08:12, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:דןברקת|דןברקת]] If you wish to, you can see [https://guc.toolforge.org/?by=date&user=%D7%93%D7%9F%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%A7%D7%AA your contributions] across various language Wikipedias. Be aware, though, that it doesn't show everything - just 20 edits per wiki. [[User:Nick Moyes|Nick Moyes]] ([[User talk:Nick Moyes|talk]]) 20:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:דןברקת|דןברקת]] just in case you're interested in translation, you may want to read [[WP:HOWTRANS]]. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 23:49, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== 1652 ==

What time did Jesus not know? .... Enlighten me. [[User:Seventhsent001|Seventhsent001]] ([[User talk:Seventhsent001|talk]]) 02:46, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

:Your question makes no sense, so, hard to do. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 02:49, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
: The Teahouse is for questions about using Wikipedia.  Try asking your question at [[WP:RDH]], but try to make your question clear.  [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 02:56, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::I have indefinitely blocked Seventhsent001. Their contributions are gibberish. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 02:58, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Jesus did not know "Clobberin' time!", "Show time!", "In the nick of time", bed time or Daylight Savings Time.<!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/David notMD|contribs]]) 03:03, 29 November 2023 (UTC)</small>
::::As a carpenter, he would presumably have known when to Stop--Hammer Time. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 06:59, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::if he saw everyone's <s>personal info</s> sins across all the times ever that one time, he would probably know what all of those were '''[[User:Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">cogsan</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">(give me attention)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">(see my deeds)</span>]]</sub>''' 11:56, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:In case anyone wants an actual answer to this question, it is "the time of his second coming". See {{Bibleverse|Matthew|24:36}}. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 23:55, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== Fast Scrolling the notifications ==

On mobile phone I have to fast scroll down or up the notifications with my finger twice. With the first attempt nothing happens. With the second attempt the page scrolls. Do others have the same issue? I've never experienced it before. [[User:Aminabzz|Aminabzz]] ([[User talk:Aminabzz|talk]]) 00:11, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

== Time Zone ==

On Phabricator I corrected my time zone and it told me all your time zones on platforms have been synched. But here I still see the UTC time. [[User:Aminabzz|Aminabzz]] ([[User talk:Aminabzz|talk]]) 00:16, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:Aminabzz|Aminabzz]]. The time zone setting at [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering]] controls the display of log entries like page histories, user contributions and watchlists. Signatures are saved in the wikitext and not affected by that setting. Here at the English Wikipedia, [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets]] has the option "Change UTC-based times and dates, such as those used in signatures, to be relative to local time". See more at [[Wikipedia:Comments in Local Time]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 00:45, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

== submission rejected? ==

can you tell me why my submission was not approved if any mistake?
please guide me any one [[User:Ahmed12322|Ahmed12322]] ([[User talk:Ahmed12322|talk]]) 16:42, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:{{u|Ahmed12322}}: there are two obvious reasons why [[User:Ahmed12322/sandbox]] was declined. It cites no sources, and it doesn't start by stating what its subject is. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 16:54, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:(ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse.  Have you seen the advice left by reviewers at the top of your draft? (which is [[User:Ahmed12322/sandbox]]) Your draft is completely unsourced, and written in the style of an essay, not an encyclopedia article.  Please read [[WP:YFA|Your First Article]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 16:55, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

:{{ping|Ahmed12322}} The draft also contains elements of "how-to" writing, which a Wikipiedia article [[WP:NOTHOWTO|should not]]. [[User:Deor|Deor]] ([[User talk:Deor|talk]]) 01:20, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

== How can I appeal a draft deletion that was not reversed? ==

Over the last two years I've slowely chipped away at this draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Machan_Taylor. I logged in today to add resources and keep pruning the page but discovered it had been deleted for inactivity, which is understandable. But my request for the draft to be restored was declined, stating the page was a copyright violation of the artist's bio. I have never used any content from the artist bio to build this page. Can someone please help me with this issue? ADDENDUM: I've looked at the artist's bio page and I don't see the anything remotely close to any copying from her website. I can't help that the chronology of her history will be a consistent timeline no matter where her history is outlined. Please help. [[User:1987atomheartbrother|1987atomheartbrother]] ([[User talk:1987atomheartbrother|talk]]) 21:37, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:1987atomheartbrother|1987atomheartbrother]], you'll have to take this up with the admin who declined your refund request. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 23:43, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::Hm sorry, that might not have been a full answer to your question. You can ask the admin directly on their talk page. Make sure you give a link to the draft like you did here, so they know what you're talking about. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 23:44, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:::1987atomheartbrother, you asked for undeletion of [[Machan Taylor]], which was deleted as a copyvio in 2016. You need to ask for undeletion of [[Draft:Machan Taylor]], which was deleted as abandoned on October 3, 2023. [[User:Meters|Meters]] ([[User talk:Meters|talk]]) 01:18, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::::Thank you, that all makes sense now and I got the help I needed. I truly appreciate everyone's help. [[User:1987atomheartbrother|1987atomheartbrother]] ([[User talk:1987atomheartbrother|talk]]) 01:39, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

== Broken link ==

There’s a page called “Article Deletion” linked in [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a forum]]. I think it was deleted and I want to replace it, but I can’t find a page with the same name. I’m really new to Wikipedia and I don’t want to risk accidental vandalism. What can I do? Thanks! [[User:Koitoast|Koitoast]] ([[User talk:Koitoast|talk]]) 01:38, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
: {{re|Koitoast}} That was a user's essay that was deleted.  I don't think anything replaced it, so I suggest just removing it from that See Also section. [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 01:41, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

== Singer- Songwriter  ==

Trying to write my biography 
Anthon Joseph Caesar Aka Mafiandan6ixx Singer Songwriter and a Graphics Designer Born And Raise In Guyana at the age of 10 Years Old He Started Music And Since Then He's Making Ways Genre Gothic Dancehall record label is Mafiandan6ixx Entertainment.

https://w.wiki/8Kaw [[User:Caesar 199726|Caesar 199726]] ([[User talk:Caesar 199726|talk]]) 23:54, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

:If you want to have a Wikipedia article you have to be notable enough. For example, you should be at least as famous as [[James Hetfield]]. [[User:Aminabzz|Aminabzz]] ([[User talk:Aminabzz|talk]]) 00:18, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::{{u|Caesar 199726}} User pages are not the place to attempt drafting an article. See [[WP:YFA]] for how to create and submit a draft. For a living person, all facts must be supported by independent references (see [[WP:42]]). Per [[WP:AUTO]] attempts at autobiography are frowned upon. See [[WP:AUTO]]. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 03:15, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Aminabzz|Aminabzz]]: A musician does not have to be as famous as James Hetfield for Wikipedia to have an article about them.
::@[[User:Caesar 199726|Caesar 199726]].  The actual Wikipedia notability criteria for musicians are at [[WP:MUSICBIO]].  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 03:24, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

== Undisclosed Payment ==

I began to edit my first major page for Yinka Ash, a fashion designer in Nigeria and I guess I messed up and now the article is flagged as most likely done with undisclosed Payment, which I did not get paid for. 

How do I fix it?

[[User:Anoghena Okoyomoh|Anoghena Okoyomoh]] ([[User talk:Anoghena Okoyomoh|talk]]) 06:04, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

:It was added by {{ping|Fred Zepelin}}. I've removed it. You two should discuss the issue. If you do have [[WP:COI]] you need to declare it, Anoghena Okoyomoh. If you do not, then you do not. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 06:11, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::I really do not, I just wanted to contribute, I guess I was too enthusiastic, but I see the photo I used for the subject matter, I got from his website, so I took that down as well. Thank you so very much, I think I'll just take a back seat for now, don't wanna ruin someone's image because of me. [[User:Anoghena Okoyomoh|Anoghena Okoyomoh]] ([[User talk:Anoghena Okoyomoh|talk]]) 09:05, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Anoghena Okoyomoh|Anoghena Okoyomoh]], remember that every image used on wikipedia needs to be free to use - you can't use a copyrighted image from someone's website. If you try to use an image like that, we're all going to assume that you are the copyright holder, which would mean that you have a conflict of interest. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 23:51, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::::oh, that makes sense, I will note this. Thank you so much [[User:Anoghena Okoyomoh|Anoghena Okoyomoh]] ([[User talk:Anoghena Okoyomoh|talk]]) 08:12, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

== Entry on Gilbert Stuart (artist) ==

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gilbert_Stuart&action=edit

I'm trying to update and correct the entry but am thwarted.  Under endnote 43, would someone please add pp. 80, 105-06, and 118. And please eliminate the automated notations at the ends of notes 43 and 44.  In note 49, the surname is Fielding, not Mantle.

The notes are out of order in the text: see note 18 after 33.  In note 13, it's odd to include the street address of the press.
I would put this book: Genius of Gilbert Stuart under Bibliography.

In the top row of the illustrations, can you replace Jacob Rodriquez Rivera (not by Stuart) with William Curtis, dated 1775?
Curtis is at Wikidata.org/wiki/Q460867.  It is by Stuart and would fit there because of the date.  Many thanks if you can do this.

It's difficult to correct the misconception that Stuart's middle name was Charles.  This is an error.  He was baptized without a middle name. Please remove the middle name under the first illustration.  I'd be grateful for your kind help. [[User:DEvans2|DEvans2]] ([[User talk:DEvans2|talk]]) 06:11, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

:Regarding the note/reference numbering order, these are numbered according to the ''first'' time they appear in the infobox and main text, but the same reference can be used more than once. In this case, ref [18] first appears between [17] and [19] in section [[Gilbert Stuart#England and Ireland]]), and twice more in sections [[Gilbert Stuart#Boston, 1805–1828]] and [[Gilbert Stuart#Legacy]]. You will see that in the References list these uses are designated as 18. <sup>a</sup>, <sup>b</sup> and <sup>c</sup>. Note that if another, new reference is added or an existing one removed, all those first appearing after it will automatically be renumbered. This is doubtless why some of your quoted ref numbers above are currently off by one.

:I have removed the spurious "Charles" as the cited source reference [1] does not contain it: however, if it's present in other, apparently reliable sources, someone might use one of them to re-add it, in which case the D of [[WP:BRD]] can commence, and perhaps explanatory text might be required in the article itself. (Did he ''never'' use it, did he adopt it later in life?) For your future reference, the infobox code usually appears before any separately editable sections, but can be found by using the very top 'Edit' tab that applies to the whole article.

:I can't see that it hurts to have PUP's street address in the, anyway quite short, reference, particularly as the company has two other addresses (in Oxford and Beijing) which might publish titles independently of the Main Office (as is the case with some other similar publishers).

:Regarding replacing the Rivera portrait, I will leave that to others as I am not experienced with image placements. If the Rivera portrait is ''not'' by Stuart, you might want to take up the matter at Wikimedia Commons to avoid its future mis-use. I can't address your other points in the notes as I lack the specialised knowledge to identify the missing source data and corroborate the Fielding/Mantle matter. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/51.194.245.32|51.194.245.32]] ([[User talk:51.194.245.32|talk]]) 10:28, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

== wikipedia magazine  ==

is there any wikipedia magazine avaialble hardcopy name [[Special:Contributions/223.31.71.74|223.31.71.74]] ([[User talk:223.31.71.74|talk]]) 10:40, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

:I am not sure what you are asking. Can you explain using more words? [[User:Ca|Ca]] <sup><i>[[User talk:Ca|talk to me!]]</i></sup> 10:41, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:I'm assuming that they're asking about any physical ([[grep#usage as a verb|dead tree]] or paper-form) books or magazines of Wikipedia. in that case I'd say not really one provided by Wikipedia, but there are some services that allow you to print or DIY your own book, see [[Help:Books]] for more (although note that the process of creating books is really old and not really that well supported anymore). happy editing!
:<small>as a side note, if anyone else knows of another way to make wikipedia books/pdfs containing multiple articles apart from PediaPress and MW2Latex which are listed above, please {{t|ping}} me, I'd really like to see it too!</small> &#128156; <span style="border-radius:4px;background:#edf">&nbsp;[[User:Melecie|<span style="color:#471a7a">'''mel'''ecie</span>]]&nbsp;</span> [[User talk:Melecie|<span style="color:#471a7a">talk</span>]] - 11:03, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::There is the [[WP:SIGNPOST|Signpost]], though it is not a hard copy. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 11:07, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

== Signatures for articles guide? ==

Is there a tutorial or guide on how to make signatures for various people's articles?

Thanks [[User:KatoKungLee|KatoKungLee]] ([[User talk:KatoKungLee|talk]]) 02:18, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:KatoKungLee|KatoKungLee]]: A signature that you might see on an article (e.g. [[Bill Gates]]) is just an image - see [[Help:Images]].  There are some instructions on how to use the various signature-related parameters of an infobox at [[Template:Infobox person#Parameters]].  There is also some information at [[:commons:When to use the PD-signature tag]].  Happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 03:14, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:{{Re|KatoKungLee}} If you mean how to convert it to a vector format, you must just increase the contrast, and then import in into [[Inkscape]], then click Path > Trace bitmap, play around with the settings, and [[c: special: upload|upload]] it under the [[c: template: PD-signature|<code><nowiki>{{</nowiki>PD-signature<nowiki>}}</nowiki></code>]] tag. <span style="border-radius:10em;padding:0 7q;background:#111">[[User:QuickQuokka|<span style="color:#0DF">Quick</span><span style="color:#FAB">Quokka</span>]]</span> <sup>[⁠[[User talk:QuickQuokka|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/QuickQuokka|contribs]]]</sup> 12:59, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

== Would it be libel? ==
{{Discussion top|{{resolved|1=Apparently so <span style="border-radius:10em;padding:0 7q;background:#111">[[User:QuickQuokka|<span style="color:#0DF">Quick</span><span style="color:#FAB">Quokka</span>]]</span> <sup>[⁠[[User talk:QuickQuokka|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/QuickQuokka|contribs]]]</sup> 13:25, 30 November 2023 (UTC)}}}}
Would it be [[WP:libel|libel]]ous to put something celebrating the death of a certain war criminal that died recently <ins>on my user page</ins>? <span style="border-radius:10em;padding:0 7q;background:#111">[[User:QuickQuokka|<span style="color:#0DF">Quick</span><span style="color:#FAB">Quokka</span>]]</span> <sup>[⁠[[User talk:QuickQuokka|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/QuickQuokka|contribs]]]</sup> 12:48, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

:At the very least, it would be poor taste. [[User:Edward-Woodrow|Edward-Woodrow]] ([[User talk:Edward-Woodrow|talk]]) 12:56, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::{{Re|Edward-Woodrow}} Less poor taste than carpet bombing 150,000 civilians (at least in my opinion) [[tone indicator#Internet usage|/hj]] <span style="border-radius:10em;padding:0 7q;background:#111">[[User:QuickQuokka|<span style="color:#0DF">Quick</span><span style="color:#FAB">Quokka</span>]]</span> <sup>[⁠[[User talk:QuickQuokka|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/QuickQuokka|contribs]]]</sup> 13:02, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:::You know full well that the dead cannot sue for libel, QuickQuokka, so it's not clear a) what your question is and b) why you have asked it here. Many people are delighted that Kissinger is dead. Most of them manage not to be performative about it on wikipedia. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 13:06, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:::He was not convicted of any war crimes by a court, so it would be a BLP violation to name him a "war criminal".  There is some leeway in expressing your personal views on your user page, but it shouldn't be the main purpose. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 13:07, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::::{{ping|QuickQuokka}} [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons]] also applies to user pages and note [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Recently dead or probably dead]]. See also [[Wikipedia:User pages#POLEMIC]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 13:19, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
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== Editing other editors' comments ==

Why are regular editors able to edit other editors' comments? Shouldn't it be something that only a mod can do?

At least we (as regular editors) can just '''suggest''' edits to other editors' comments so that they approve or reject. [[User:Aminabzz|Aminabzz]] ([[User talk:Aminabzz|talk]]) 23:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

:I mean, you can edit minor stuff like format errors, layout errors, unsigned signature, remove off-topic posts, etc. ([[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#Examples of appropriately editing others' comments]]) [[User:Rusty4321|<span style="background-color:#272;color:#ff0">'''Rusty4321'''</span>]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Rusty4321|talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contribs/Rusty4321|contribs]]</sup> 23:34, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::And a user with bad intentions can remove a whole section with all of its comments. I think it's better to prevent than to cure. [[User:Aminabzz|Aminabzz]] ([[User talk:Aminabzz|talk]]) 00:04, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

:::I ''suspect'' the removal of this ability would require major changes to the programming of the platform, but I have no technical knowledge of the matter.
:::However, actually changing another's comment is ''very'' heavily frowned upon in the community. Even correcting an obvious typo that's breaking an intended link, or wikilinking an unlinked word, are things which in the past I have done (once!) and been admonished for (even after adding my own comment saying what I had done and why). Instead one should, in most users' opinions, add one's own (polite) comment with the necessary correction.
:::Any edit to another's comment is usually noticed and complained about by the original commenter and/or others in the discourse very quickly, and I believe persistent offenders have in the past been blocked if not banned.
:::Wikipedia does not have "mods" as such (see [[Wikipedia:Moderators]]): the community as a whole does the "modding" by consensus. [[WP:Admins|Admins]] have some analogous powers, but don't use them for such a purpose. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/51.194.245.32|51.194.245.32]] ([[User talk:51.194.245.32|talk]]) 09:44, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Aminabzz}} Wikipedia has chosen for convenience to use the same software for articles and discussions. That means you can edit posts by others. Two alternatives for discussions have been developed but rejected by the English Wikipedia, first [[Wikipedia:LiquidThreads]] and later [[Wikipedia:Flow]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 13:26, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

== Removing a photo of me from Wikipedia ==

Hello, there is a photo of me on Wikipedia, which I did not give permission to be used here. It was taken at a public event, but I'm not a famous person, and I'm sure other photos will be available. Could I ask for this photo to be deleted? [[User:Scarceintheworld|Scarceintheworld]] ([[User talk:Scarceintheworld|talk]]) 07:24, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Also it's not mine; a stranger took a photo of me. [[User:Scarceintheworld|Scarceintheworld]] ([[User talk:Scarceintheworld|talk]]) 07:28, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

: Hi {{u|Scarceintheworld}}. Asking for a photo to be "removed from a Wikipedia article" and "deleted from Wikipedia" are not necessary the same thing. Files, such as photos, uploaded to Wikipedia (or [[:Wikimedia Commons]]) tend to only be deleted due to some serious violation of relevant policy (e.g. a copyright violation). In such cases, "deletion" means hiding the file from public view so that it no longer can be used on any Wikipedia page. Because of this, only a Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons administrator can delete a file. "Removal", on the other hand, simply means removing the file's sytax from a Wikipedia page so that it's no longer being displayed on that page. The file is still publicly visible and still may be being used on other Wikipedia pages. There can be various reasons for removing a file, and anyone who can edit a page can remove a file's syntax from said page. Random removals, however, are often reverted and in many cases discussion on the page's corresponding talk page or a relevant noticeboard take place to determine whether a consensus can be established to remove the file. Since you didn't give the name of the file you want deleted (perhaps intentionally), I would suggest you try seeking assistance about this via email instead and don't post anymore about it on any Wikipedia page. All Wikipedia pages are publicly viewable and it's generally not wise to post personally identifying information on any of them unless you understand and accept the risks of doing so; the more you post, the greater the chance of you posting something that you might later wish you hadn't. I wouldn't even advise you trying to remove the photo yourself because you will need to explain why which will also connect you to the photo. So, my suggestion to you would be to email [[:WP:OVERSIGHT]] and see what Oversight has to say. At some point, you may be asked to verify that the photo is actually of you, but this will be done via email. An oversighter should be able to assess the situation and figure out what's best for you and what's best for Wikipedia. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 07:54, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
: Hi {{ping|Scarceintheworld}} see [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Photographs_of_identifiable_people Commons:Photographs_of_identifiable_people], [[User:Greenman|Greenman]] ([[User talk:Greenman|talk]]) 08:20, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you both for your help. [[User:Scarceintheworld|Scarceintheworld]] ([[User talk:Scarceintheworld|talk]]) 17:16, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

== How to edit a page title ==

[[Texas Board of Professional Engineers]]

How do you edit the title of a page?
The page titled: “Texas Board of Professional Engineers” should be changed to “Texas Board of Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors”.  
The engineering board and the surveying board were combined into one board in 2019 as stated on the page. [[User:Austineagle|Austineagle]] ([[User talk:Austineagle|talk]]) 17:22, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

:I've [[WP:MOVE|moved]] the page since your account is currently too new to perform a move (you need ten edits and an account age of at least 4 days). [[User:Novo Tape|<span style="color:#0645AD"> Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Novo Tape|<span style="color:#0645AD">My Talk Page</span>]]</sup>  17:27, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

== mfw i see m.en ==

en links, when clicked by someone using the mobile layout, will automatically shunt the user to their m.en counterparts. m.en links, when clicked by someone using the desktop layout, won't automatically shunt the user to their en counterparts, which is the opposite of convenient

they also don't work with the [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups|navigation popup]] gadget (hallowed be its name), which is the opposite of convenient

with that in mind, is there any problem in indiscriminately editing m.en links to be not that, aside from any issues with editing other people's replies? '''[[User:Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">cogsan</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">(give me attention)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">(see my deeds)</span>]]</sub>''' 16:57, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
: {{re|Cogsan}} Please give some examples of links you are proposing to change.  Ideally, any links will just be Wikilinks and not bare urls.   [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 17:08, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:What RudolfRed says is the point, Cogsan. Replacing external links to Wikimedia and related sites by [[WP:wikilinks|wikilinks]] is a good idea; replacing them with a different external link is not. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 17:20, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::it's [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Swalors|this ani thread]] that led me to ask this, though it can really apply to any instance of mobile wikilinks
::but i also stumbled into [[Wikipedia:OTHERSCOMMENTS|the fitting guidelines]], and i think i can treat them as "doing that is fine i guess" without a lot of mental gymnastics, as they're just wikilinks but worse
::thanks anyway '''[[User:Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">cogsan</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">(give me attention)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Cogsan|<span style="color:#8a440a">(see my deeds)</span>]]</sub>''' 17:44, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

== Creating another article ==

So, I have made one article ([[Until This Shakes Apart]]), and the got a notice that it was accepted. but in it, it said {{tq|Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer.}} And that's swell, but I don't wan't to just have the power to make any draft. Can I revoke this? I'd prefer if I can make a draft, but still let others review it, before it is accepted, in case I f*ck something up. [[User:Babysharkboss2|<span style="color: red">Babysharkboss2 was here!!</span>]] ([[User talk:Babysharkboss2|<span style="color: black">Shine on you</span>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Babysharkboss2|<span style="color: orange">Crazy Diamond</span>]]) 15:34, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

:You can upload a draft by affixing <nowiki>[[Draft:]]</nowiki> to the beginning of the title and then making the page there. [[User:Explodicator7331|Explodicator7331]] ([[User talk:Explodicator7331|talk]]) 15:48, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you!! [[User:Babysharkboss2|<span style="color: red">Babysharkboss2 was here!!</span>]] ([[User talk:Babysharkboss2|<span style="color: black">Shine on you</span>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Babysharkboss2|<span style="color: orange">Crazy Diamond</span>]]) 15:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
:::I always create my articles using the Article Wizard [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_wizard/version1/Ready_for_submission], which gives you the option of creating a draft to be reviewed, or publishing the article directly – which will then be looked at by a new page patroller. I did some freelance writing before my first Wikipedia article, and I still felt safer having my first few Wikipedia articles submitted for review before being published, because I wanted to make sure I knew exactly what I was doing before trusting that I wouldn't mess up and publish something that wouldn't meet Wiki standards. Best wishes on your future projects. [[User:Karenthewriter|Karenthewriter]] ([[User talk:Karenthewriter|talk]]) 17:19, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

:Hi {{u|Babysharkboss2}}, the notice says you '''may''' create articles directly, not that you '''must'''. I've been here for many, many years now, and I've only just had my first article published. You can keep using AFC as long as you like, no one is going to tell you to stop. [[User:Madam Fatal|Madam Fatal]] ([[User talk:Madam Fatal|talk]]) 20:01, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
::thanks! [[User:Babysharkboss2|<span style="color: red">Babysharkboss2 was here!!</span>]] ([[User talk:Babysharkboss2|<span style="color: black">Shine on you</span>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Babysharkboss2|<span style="color: orange">Crazy Diamond</span>]]) 18:44, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

== New article ==

Please tell me what the problem is because it didn't seem constructive.Why is the page not accepted? [[Draft:Md Sunnat Ali Mollik]] [[User:Loverman Kingdom|Loverman Kingdom]] ([[User talk:Loverman Kingdom|talk]]) 11:16, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:{{u|Loverman Kingdom}} Hello and welcome.  There are several unsourced sections of your draft; in an article about living people, every substantive fact must be sourced to a [[WP:RS|reliable source]].  Please see the [[WP:BLP|Biographies of Living Persons policy]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 11:18, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:331dot|331dot]] Please tell me what is that unsource category. The page is structured with all the information. [[User:Loverman Kingdom|Loverman Kingdom]] ([[User talk:Loverman Kingdom|talk]]) 11:23, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:::The early life section is entirely unsourced. Most of the career section is unsourced, and the end of the Liberation War section is unsourced.  Every substantive claim about a living person must have a source. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 11:26, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Loverman Kingdom|Loverman Kingdom]] You removed the prevous decline notice, which I have restored as it helps reviewers see whether the draft has been improved to address the reasons for the decline. You have re-submitted for review without adding full citations, for example to the early life and some of the career subsections. In this state, it is likely to be rapidly declined again. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 12:39, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Loverman Kingdom|Loverman Kingdom]] As I predicted, your second submission was declined by [[User:DoubleGrazing]] today as lacking sufficient sources. You have despite my advice and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ALoverman_Kingdom&diff=1187620067&oldid=1187591069 a Talk Page warning by another editor] for the third time deleted decline notices. This is unlikely to assist getting your draft accepted. In addition, you have uploaded a picture of Mollik to Wikimedia Commons as your own work. What is your relationship to him? [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 18:39, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Michael D. Turnbull]] No relation. The said personality is a Bangladeshi freedom fighter and journalist, it is certainly known. [[User:Loverman Kingdom|Loverman Kingdom]] ([[User talk:Loverman Kingdom|talk]]) 18:49, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::{{u|Loverman Kingdom}} How did you take a picture of him? [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 18:55, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

== Steps to secure permission to use from a willing copyright holder ==

Hello. This is my first visit to Teahouse about my first new article draft. I intend to soon submit my article [[Draft:PLEXUS West Coast Women’s Press]] for review.

A problematic issue is the draft’s use of a photo (of the early PLEXUS staff) from the August 15, 1974 edition of the now-defunct Berkeley Barb newspaper. [[User:Peaceray]] a helpful editor has given me some preliminary suggestions ([[Draft talk:PLEXUS West Coast Women’s Press]]) about my draft article, including the suggestion to bring this question to the Teahouse for advice.

I wrote: “One of the images, an early staff photo, was published by the [[Berkeley Barb]] whose full archive is now available open access on JSTOR. I have gotten in touch with the copyright owner, oldest child of the now-deceased publisher. They indicated an intent to give me permission to use the photo from their article, but they are traveling overseas right now. I could use some advice about how to convert that intent-to-permit into a form that Wikipedia will accept.”

Can someone guide me in obtaining copyright permission in the correct form from the holder?

— [[User:BananaSlug|BananaSlug]] ([[User talk:BananaSlug|talk]]) 17:42, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:BananaSlug|BananaSlug]] All the correct (email) forms are on Wikipedia Commons. See [[:c:Commons:Volunteer Response Team]] for full details. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 18:13, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::P.S. The presence or not of a photo will have no effect on whether your draft is accepted, as it will not contribute to the [[WP:NCORP|wikinotability]] of the topic. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 18:14, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Thank you. I have forward this information to the copyright holder (specifically [[Commons:Volunteer Response Team#Declaration of consent for all enquiries|...Declaration of consent...]]) encouraging them (or their lawyer) to use the Interactive Release Generator. — [[User:BananaSlug|BananaSlug]] ([[User talk:BananaSlug|talk]]) 19:17, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

== Help with a new page for an academic researcher ==

Hello,

I am seeking input on how to improve this page: [[Draft:Saad Bhamla]]

It was rejected on the following grounds:

* meet any of the ''[[Wikipedia:Notability (academics)|eight academic-specific criteria]]''
* '''or''' cite multiple [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|''reliable'']], [[Wikipedia:No original research#Secondary|''secondary'']] sources ''[[Wikipedia:Independent sources|independent]]'' of the subject, which cover the subject in some depth

and

This submission appears to [[Wikipedia:Spam#Advertisements masquerading as articles|read more like an advertisement]] than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|neutral point of view]], and should refer to a range of [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|independent, reliable, published sources]], not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|verifiability policy]] and the [[Wikipedia:Notability|notability]] of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

Having read the eight academic-specific criteria, it is clear that Prof. Bhamla meets several of these. I have also cited reliable secondary sources (e.g., NSF, NIH, etc.) to support this assertion. 

I do need some help on the advertisement vs encyclopedia rejection. Most academic bios are written in the form that I supplied, but any tips on converting it into an encyclopedia-style diction would be appreciated.

Many thanks! [[User:Xwallawallax|Xwallawallax]] ([[User talk:Xwallawallax|talk]]) 03:52, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

:At a glance, the subject does not meet [[WP:NACADEMIC]]. Please remove any inline external links in the article; those are not permitted per [[WP:EL]]. Which NACADEMIC criteria do you think the subject meets? --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 03:57, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
::Prof Bhamla has met criteria 1 and 2. 
::There are multiple examples for Criteria 1. One notable one is his naming as a major disruptor by Newsweek, a reputed magazine that is known to rank research institutions. 
::Criteria 2 is also straightforward - the awards I noted in the original draft are highly competitive, national, and prestigious awards.
::Thanks for tips of inline external links, did not realize those were against the rules.  [[User:Xwallawallax|Xwallawallax]] ([[User talk:Xwallawallax|talk]]) 04:10, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:::# [[WP:NEWSWEEK|Newsweek, since 2013, is generally not considered a reliable source due to their deteriorated journalistic practices]], including for purposes of establishing notability.
:::# Do any of these awards have articles themselves? I took a look and didn't see them well-covered at a glance to establish their own notability. I hope you understand that this merely feels like it's pushing the issue back a level.
:::[[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:3px 0 0 3px;padding:4px 3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:2px;color:#000">聊</span>]] 04:17, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
::::# Thanks - I did not know that. Looking into the linked article, it does seem that Newsweek is in the "yellow" category, with this major caveat: "Many editors have noted that there are several exceptions to this standard, so consensus is to evaluate ''Newsweek'' content on a case-by-case basis". Here is the article that lists Prof. Bhamla: https://www.newsweek.com/2023/06/30/magic-mushrooms-1-hearing-aids-medical-marvels-disrupting-healthcare-1805918.html  This is a distinction from the magazine - they select a cohort of 10 prominent researchers each year. It is definitely not clickbait and not pay to play. 
::::# I am willing to accept that Newsweek is of dubious reputability (although the distinction from the magazine is still notable), but the US NASEM is not. Here is a news article from them that highlights a major and prestigious award that Prof. Bhamla has won: https://www.nationalacademies.org/awards/excellence-in-communication
::::[[User:Xwallawallax|Xwallawallax]] ([[User talk:Xwallawallax|talk]]) 04:23, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::This is not my area of expertise, so I will bow out and let people where it is take over, but I suppose if I had to speak on a personal, gut-feeling level, reading the newsweek article, the headline coupled with its presentation does feel very clickbait to me, but again, I do not feel comfortable deciding one way or the other, so I will abstain as to whether this should be accepted or not. [[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:3px 0 0 3px;padding:4px 3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:2px;color:#000">聊</span>]] 04:28, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::Thanks for chiming in and helping me understand the process further.
::::::Looking at [[Wikipedia:NACADEMIC]] requirements, they note: "Academics meeting ''any '''one''''' of the following conditions, as substantiated through [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]], are notable."
::::::and
::::::"The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level."
::::::I feel that (a) the US NASEM article and the US NASEM as an institution are both reliable sources, (b) the Schmidt Futures award is a highly prestigious academic honor at an international level, according to the wikipedia article on this award: [[National Academies Communication Award]] [[User:Xwallawallax|Xwallawallax]] ([[User talk:Xwallawallax|talk]]) 04:33, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::I don't agree. The [[National Academies Communication Award]] programme ended in 2019, and is not the same as the "Eric and Wendy Schmidt Awards for Excellence in Science Communication", which makes ~48 awards per year. The subject here is not listed as a Top Award winner at [https://www.nationalacademies.org/awards/excellence-in-communication/winners?Year=2023] and it is difficult to construe this award as highly prestigious. Both awards were national, not international. I don't see any of the other awards as highly prestigious; they appear to be routine and/or local in character. Ref 6, by the way, does not support the assertion made. I'm sure the subject is a very fine academic, but your enthusiasm for him meeting the criteria does not make it so. Hyperbole in the article - "notable projects", "work is recognized by numerous awards including" is unhelpful; promotional writing such as this is always a red flag. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 04:47, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::::Hm - I do think that most research-active academics would find this award as highly prestigious.
::::::::There are only <u>24</u> awards per year (https://www.nationalacademies.org/news/2023/11/national-academies-announce-2023-recipients-of-eric-and-wendy-schmidt-awards-for-excellence-in-science-communications), and <u>only three per category</u>. Prof. Bhamla was one of the three awarded in Research Scientist: Later Career.
::::::::At any rate, the combination of Prof. Bhamla's awards (Schmidt Futures Excellence in Sci. Comm., Criterion 2a notable foundation/society), publications in especially prestigious journals (https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.ade7759, Criterion 1e, partial), notable and impactful inventions (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41551-016-0009 https://www.wired.com/2017/01/paperfuge-20-cent-device-transform-health-care/, Criterion 1b), and his coverage in mainstream media (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/25/science/worm-blobs.html, https://www.ted.com/talks/saad_bhamla_the_fascinating_physics_of_insect_pee?language=en<nowiki/>,https://www.npr.org/2023/07/14/1187250226/how-do-insects-pee-a-seemingly-silly-question-that-led-to-a-physics-discovery, Criterion 7a) strongly suggests that Prof. Bhamla meets the notability requirements. 
::::::::I apologize for not including some of these other sources in my original draft and I am interested to know your thoughts on these. [[User:Xwallawallax|Xwallawallax]] ([[User talk:Xwallawallax|talk]]) 05:23, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Xwallawallax|Xwallawallax]]: To demonstrate notability, you need to provide multiple [[WP:IS|independent sources]].  Articles written by Bhamla, interviews of Bhamla, and videos of Bhamla are not considered independent.  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 06:17, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::My thoughts are that it is a bit soon to say whether an award first implemented in 2022 is "highly prestigeous". The whirygig thing is interesting, but does it amount to a "notable and impactful invention"? Wired noticed it, but credit it to another researcher. What impact has it had? 1b asks for "''In this case it is necessary to explicitly demonstrate, by a substantial number of references to academic publications of researchers other than the person in question, that this contribution is indeed widely considered to be significant and is widely attributed to the person in question.''" PR for the TED talk seems minimal. Butt flicking insects and their superpropulsion do not amount to 7a "substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity".  What impact has it had? So, I really do not think there is an NACADEMIC pass here. Your best shot now is to find sufficient news media to get a [[WP:GNG]] pass. You have nothing in the article about butt flicking and there may be some centrifuge press which would show the sort of sustained interest in the subject's work needed for GNG. Or there may not, and it might all be a case of [[WP:TOOSOON]]. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 06:22, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Xwallawallax|Xwallawallax]]: Note that the requirements say "reliable sources", meaning more than one. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 04:52, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:From looking at the notability rule, the article is allowed if he is promote to full professor (tenure) [[User:बिनोद थारू|बिनोद थारू]] ([[User talk:बिनोद थारू|talk]]) 01:47, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
:I agree. It's commonly known that:
:Newsweek = NewsWeak ! [[Special:Contributions/38.49.92.154|38.49.92.154]] ([[User talk:38.49.92.154|talk]]) 19:29, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
I agree with [[WP:TOOSOON]]. He is an assistant professor. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 10:19, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:Also see [[Wikipedia:Notability (academics)]] as to why lesser awards do not contribute. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 22:38, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks, all, for the feedback - very helpful despite the sometimes condescending tone. 
::I do think there is a case to be made for Criterion 1 and 7. Here are multiple sources that have covered Prof Bhamla's work:
::Worm blobs: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/25/science/worm-blobs.html ; https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/how-balls-of-blackworms-avoid-the-knotty-step/21808845 ; https://www.wired.com/story/researchers-are-studying-these-worm-blobs-to-build-robots/
::Insect pee: https://www.npr.org/2023/07/14/1187250226/how-do-insects-pee-a-seemingly-silly-question-that-led-to-a-physics-discovery ; https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks/quirks-mar-25-2023-1.6787590 ; + TED talk already discussed (1.3M views)
::I do not think the assistant professor designation is sufficient to declare "Too soon" - there are other junior faculty with wikipedia entries that have similar caliber awards as Prof. Bhamla and significantly fewer external sources covering their research. 
::How do I proceed from here? I am happy to rewrite the article with the new information disclosed in this thread and submit it for re-evaluation - I admit my first draft was very bare bones. [[User:Xwallawallax|Xwallawallax]] ([[User talk:Xwallawallax|talk]]) 17:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Criterion 1 is for the people that everyone in their field cites. We'd expect to see something like a very high h-index, but that isn't the case here.
:::Criterion 7 is for people who are quoted in the popular media all the time, or who have written bestsellers for a lay audience. A couple of news articles about their work is not what this is about, this is for people who are regularly being asked on to news shows to comment on the science news of the day, even when they didn't have anything to do with the research themselves.
:::As to {{Tq|How do I proceed from here?}}, I would suggest you find a new subject who is more clearly notable. Some of the articles on [[List_of_National_Medal_of_Science_laureates|winners of the National Medal of Science]] are quite short and could use expansion. - [[User:MrOllie|MrOllie]] ([[User talk:MrOllie|talk]]) 18:03, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
::::Thanks for the additional explanation. I hate to use 'what about-ism' but it is clear that the criterions are not being applied evenly with this candidate vs. others that are already up on Wikipedia. 
::::For instance, can you point to the source in this page that meets one of the criterion? 
::::https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Nance [[User:Xwallawallax|Xwallawallax]] ([[User talk:Xwallawallax|talk]]) 18:16, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::This is an example of somebody who does meet Criterion 1, for her development of nanoparticles that cross the blood-brain barrier  - citations 4 through 9 of the article support that. They consequently also have a high h-index considering the stage of their career, and the individual papers associated with the discovery all have quite high citation counts. [[User:MrOllie|MrOllie]] ([[User talk:MrOllie|talk]]) 18:56, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::{{u|MrOllie}} Different draft???? The subject of this draft is male and refs 4-9 have nothing to do with nanoparticles. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 10:54, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::{{Ping|David notMD}} I was addressing a follow up question about how [[Elizabeth Nance]] meets notability criteria. - [[User:MrOllie|MrOllie]] ([[User talk:MrOllie|talk]]) 13:11, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::::I had missed that Xwallawallax had held up Elizabeth Nance as an example of an Assistant Professor meriting an article. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 14:21, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

== Non-constructive? ==

I just spent the afternoon researching an author and wrote a complete updated to the page after being notified it was due for deletion. I just had my edit reverted as constructive. This can not be right. What do I need to do please? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Viega [[User:Markpeloton|Markpeloton]] ([[User talk:Markpeloton|talk]]) 18:36, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

:I'm sorry, didn't see the other edits (only the last one). Wikipedia has pretty strict sourcing requirements for [[WP:BLP|biographies of living people]], and claims about someone's private life requires sources to be mentioned. Feel free to add back the parts with sources! Good luck editing, [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#947E00">Chaotıċ<span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:indigo">Enby</span></span>]]<span style="font-size:85%">([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|c]])</span> 18:44, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks [[User:Markpeloton|Markpeloton]] ([[User talk:Markpeloton|talk]]) 20:18, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

== Image Replacement in entry for Gilbert Stuart (artist) ==

In the top row of illustrations, I'd like to replace Jacob Rodrigues Rivera (an old misattribution; not by Stuart), if possible, with William Curtis, 1775.  Curtis is at Wikidata.org/wiki/Q460867.  Although the Curtis portrait is not in color, it is by Stuart and retains the chronology by being definitely from 1775 (documented).  I'll go to WikiCommons to let them know about the Rivera portrait.
I don't know how to do this and would be grateful for any kind help.  Thanks to the person who assisted me before. [[User:DEvans2|DEvans2]] ([[User talk:DEvans2|talk]]) 16:12, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:Courtesy links: [[Gilbert Stuart]], [[:commons:File:Jacob Rodriguez Rivera.jpg]], [[:wikidata:Q460867]], [[:commons:File:William Curtis - Gilbert Stuart.tif]].

:Hello, DEvans2, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can replace the image in the article by simply replacing the filename <code>File:Jacob Rodriguez Rivera.jpg</code> by <code>File:William Curtis - Gilbert Stuart.tif</code> (you need to get the spaces, punctuation, etc exactly right, so I suggest copying and pasting). 
:To pursue the issue of the misattribution, go to [[:commons:COM:Help desk]]. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 17:12, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::Unfortunately, I have zero experience in this.  How do you replace a file name?  I could not delete the previous one.  Also how do you add the new label, William Curtis, 1775, under the imported image.  Thanks. [[User:DEvans2|DEvans2]] ([[User talk:DEvans2|talk]]) 19:30, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:::{{ping|DEvans2}} I've done it for you, but, if you want, I can show you how to do it in my sandbox, so that you can deal with similar errors or changes yourself in the future. [[User:Edward-Woodrow|Edward-Woodrow]] ([[User talk:Edward-Woodrow|talk]]) 20:48, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::::Thank you so much!  Can you change the date to 1775, not c. 1775 and not italicized?  It's important for stylistic comparisons that it's an absolute, documented date.  I don't think I'll ever be doing this again.  I appreciate this help. [[User:DEvans2|DEvans2]] ([[User talk:DEvans2|talk]]) 21:31, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

== starting a new thread after that last one ==

if i am adding a book infobox image according to fair use rules, does it matter where i found the picture? Like what if i find it for sale on amazon or something, would that count? Again, I would fill in the wizard guidelines all separately and properly, but just wondering if where i find the image matters a whole lot. Does it need to officially be from the publisher? Sometimes that is not available, obviously when possible that is the first source and first type of place that i look for and that i try to stick to exclusively but it is just not always available. do those just not get images uploaded then in those cases? [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 02:16, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

:see [[Celebrations, Rituals of Peace and Prayer]] for an example where i had to use Barnes and Noble as a source. I will hold off on more of these until i know that that is acceptable, when it is a last resort for locating a book cover image for the infobox under fair use guidelines. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 02:21, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
::You should try and stick to official sources for non-free use as much as possible in order to avoid any problems with [[:WP:NFCC#4]] ([[:WP:NFC#Meeting the previous publication criterion]]). Non-free content is required to be published with the consent of the the copyright holder. A website like Amazon or Barnes and Nobles should be OK because the copyright holder of the book most likely has either explicity or implicitly given their consent for the book to be sold in such a way. Personal blogs, or other types of [[:WP:UGC]] websites probably should be avoided if they're not officially connected to the copyright holder. Moreover, photos taken by others of book covers should also be avoided if possible because the photo itself (depending upon whether it's a [[:c:COM:2D copying|slavish reproduction of the cover]]) might also be eligible for copyright protection, seperate from the cover itself. Such a photo could still probably be used per relevant Wikipedia policy, but it might show only part of the cover or perhaps include other copyrightable elements which futher complicates things. Finally, if you're going to continue to upload non-free book covers, you probably will avoid confusing yourself and others if you stop referring to relevant Wikipedia policy as "fair use rules" [[:WP:ITSFAIRUSE|because they're not the same thing]]. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 02:37, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:::where am i referring to that so that i can stop doing that? thank you for clarifying too. amazon and barnes and noble seem to be common sources for book covers, but if i can find the image from the publishing house then that is preferred. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 02:41, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
::::You call it "fair use rules" in your initial post here: {{tq|if i am adding a book infobox image according to fair use rules, does it matter where i found the picture?}}. Remember that Wikipedia's licence allows for explicitly commercial reuse of wp content - what might be fair use ''on wikipedia alone'' won't be fair use for all hypothetical commercial reuse. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 02:52, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:::::i see. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 03:04, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

== Adding Archive url's to Reference's which are still live - Is it against policy? Yes or No? ==

Years ago I was told by an admin on here that archive url's from [[Wayback Machine]], [[Archive.today]] etc, should only be added to references if the original url is dead, and it was apparently a policy.

I agreed with them as adding Archive url's to live url's make it look like they're dead, so someone less experienced might decide to replace them with a different link, or remove them altogether, without clicking on the link itself to see if it is actually dead.

A couple of weeks ago I noticed an admin (who has only been on Wikipedia for a few years, yet became an admin almost immediately) adding archive url's to every single reference on an article, so I told them what that admin told me.

They haven't replied to my reply, although someone else has, and they've said that they do the same, and isn't against policy. [[User:Danstarr69|Danstarr69]] ([[User talk:Danstarr69|talk]]) 19:43, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:Danstarr69|Danstarr69]],
:Adding an archive URL should be fine, even if the site is still up. To do that, see [[Wikipedia:Link rot#Internet archives]], which provides info about adding an archive URL to a template.
:Happy editing! ~~[[User:2NumForIce|<span style="background:#007eb3;color:#ffffff;">2NumForIce</span>]] ([[User talk:2NumForIce|<sup style="color:#007eb3">speak</sup>]]<span style="color:55a7db">&#124;</span>[[Special:Contributions/2NumForIce|<sub>edits</sub>]]) 20:03, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::[[WP:EARLYARCHIVE]] is a how-to page rather than a policy or guideline, but it specifically recommends adding archive links while the source is still live. The {{tl|cite web}} template includes a parameter to control how the archive and original link are ordered based on whether the original page is still live. I know of no policy or guideline which prohibits or even discourages giving archive links for pages while they are still live. [[User:Caeciliusinhorto|Caeciliusinhorto]] ([[User talk:Caeciliusinhorto|talk]]) 21:04, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:You should totally add archive links while the page is still live, ''especially'' if the page isn't already archived in one of those repositories. [[User:Edward-Woodrow|Edward-Woodrow]] ([[User talk:Edward-Woodrow|talk]]) 21:39, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:To emphasize {{u|Edward-Woodrow}}'s point, adding archive URLs to live sources (be sure to set the 'url-status' parameter to 'live' when you do) is usually extremely, extremely helpful for a number of reasons. 1) It means that the citation will continue to be useful once the source goes down. The InternetArchiveBot is both imperfect and (relatively) slow. I've seen many cases where the IAB thinks a link is unrecoverable when it's trivially recoverable by a human (but this discourages editors from trying because of the 'permanent dead link' tag it leaves), and it processes batches of 5000 articles at a time compared to Wikipedia's 6.75 billion. Meanwhile, a human reader both stumbling across the dead link and having the know-how and motivation to recover or flag it is rare. 2) Archives can be more difficult to obtain once the original source is dead – a proper archive may not exist where it could've had someone taken the time to create one, or if it does, it may not be at the same URL as the current one (for an example of this, IGN a long time ago changed their URL format, and Wikipedia still has probably hundreds if not thousands of citations linking to the old format which shows a 404 and doesn't redirect). 3) It saves other volunteers time as well down the road. <b>[[User:TheTechnician27|<span style="color: #00a9ff"><i>TheTechnician27</i></span>]]</b> [[User talk:TheTechnician27|<span style="color: blue">(Talk page)</span>]] 00:47, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:To clear up one major misconception, there's usually no need to archive a live link yourself. URLs inside a citation templates on Wikipedia are automatically queued to be archived by Internet Archive. It can take awhile before a new URL is noticed and then archived, so if you expect the site to go down or the content to drift in the short term, it makes sense to archive the source yourself.{{pb}}Adding archives to live links as a mass action is not against policy, but some editors consider it disruptive. We've had lots of conversations about this at [[Wikipedia talk:Link rot]], [[Wikipedia talk:Citing sources]], and [[Help talk:Citation Style 1]]. You can always take a snapshot of your source at Internet Archive and take no action at Wikipedia if you're worried about the future availability of the source but don't believe in adding archives to live URLs.{{pb}}Of course, not all sources should be archived. I sometimes wonder how many of Internet Archive's literal eight hundred billion webpages are custom 404 errors, publisher paywalls that can't be logged into, and similar non-archive snapshots. These should generally be removed on sight, since they waste the time of both editors and readers. [[User:Folly Mox|Folly Mox]] ([[User talk:Folly Mox|talk]]) 03:44, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

== Stop asking me to donate ==

I don't want to donate to you. No thanks. I am extremely poor as it is, i can literally hold my all of my cash balance in my hands right now. It's fifteen dollars. Literally. Fifteen dollars. And I can't spend my fifteen dollars because everybody hates me. They wont sell things to me. So i live in this dilapidated, destroyed house that nobody cares about me being in. Half my insulation is missing and my window doesn't close very easily. Even if i had more than 15 dollars, i can't give it to you because it's physical cash. I cannot email you cash. I can MAIL you cash but that's more than fifteen bucks. I am seriously thinking of whether i will die tonight of sheer cold simply by freezing to death in my sleep, and you think i can give you money.

My fingers are pink already and it's only 8:45 pm as I'm typing this. I wish I had the nerve to beg everybody for money but i don't. I can't. I need to conserve energy. I should seriously stop typing this but i don't care anymore. You can pry my money from my cold dead hands, literally, my cold dead hands. It is absolutely fucking freezing out here. And you want me to spare you 3 dollars.
Insane. Go sleep in your nice, warm server room. Hope you're happy.

Stay humble. [[Special:Contributions/2601:204:C500:1280:8D0F:A955:E466:2147|2601:204:C500:1280:8D0F:A955:E466:2147]] ([[User talk:2601:204:C500:1280:8D0F:A955:E466:2147|talk]]) 04:46, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

:Bummer. If you register and use a wikipedia account, you can then set your account preferences such that you are not shown donation adverts; see Preferences / Banners. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 04:51, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:Unfortunately, no one who is presently reading this is responsible for the fundraising regimen or its banners, we are all just volunteers here. If you want to make the banners go away permanently, one way to do that is to create an account, and you can disable to display of fundraising banners or other types as well in your account preferences. Hope this helps. [[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:2px 0 0 2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:1px 3px;color:#000">留</span>]] 04:52, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:Well, that $15 is more than I've ever gotten for 10 years of editing. [[User:WikiOriginal-9|<span style="color: blue">'''''~WikiOriginal-9~'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:WikiOriginal-9|<span style="color: blue">'''talk'''</span>]]) 04:52, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:Another method to disable donation banners is to use the [https://thankyou.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thank_You Thank You] page. This will suppress banners on the same device using the same browser. However, you have to go to this page on every device, and it's probably better to just register, sync histories between devices, then {{myprefs|Banners|uncheck=Fundarising}} ~~[[User:2NumForIce|<span style="background:#007eb3;color:#ffffff;">2NumForIce</span>]] ([[User talk:2NumForIce|<sup style="color:#007eb3">speak</sup>]]<span style="color:55a7db">&#124;</span>[[Special:Contributions/2NumForIce|<sub>edits</sub>]]) 05:01, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:The bottom line is that ''nobody'', whether extremely poor or very wealthy or anywhere in between is obligated to donate money to the [[Wikimedia Foundation]], which is rolling in cash. They certainly do not need money from poor people. This is a free encyclopedia snd we take that literally. I have been a Wikipedia editor for 14 years, and an adminstrator for six years, and I have never donated a penny to the Wikimedia Foundation. Instead, I have donated countless thousands of hours to expanding and improving this encyclopedia,  which I consider to be much more valuable than a few bucks here and there, which are quickly forgotten. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 09:51, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:No one wants you to donate if you cannot afford it.  A donation is just that- a donation, not a demand for payment.  As noted by others, you can make the messages go away if you create an account and disable them in your account preferences.  Without an account, Wikipedia has no way to know that you have seen the donation requests. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 10:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:If you go to preferences, you can turn off the banner. [[User:Babysharkboss2|<span style="color: red">Babysharkboss2 was here!!</span>]] ([[User talk:Babysharkboss2|<span style="color: black">Shine on you</span>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Babysharkboss2|<span style="color: orange">Crazy Diamond</span>]]) 16:26, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::That only works if they have an account. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 03:48, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

== James Herriot / Alf Wight ==

At present, Wikipedia treats Alf Wight, the real life vet who wrote under the pen name James Herriot, as the latter, however there are some differences between the real life of Alf versus the fictional life of James, and I am half convinced that the article should be under Alf's name despite [[Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(people)#Nicknames,_pen_names,_stage_names,_cognomens]] ... I raised this topic as [[Talk:James_Herriot#Redirect_(again)]], without comment as yet; perhaps anyone with views on this would like to comment there. Of course if the consensus is that there should be no change, I will not mind! Thanks in advance - Tony Rees, Australia [[User:Tony 1212|Tony 1212]] ([[User talk:Tony 1212|talk]]) 17:43, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Tony 1212|Tony 1212]] I think you're probably correct (I haven't looked into this enough to comment "officially" on the Talk page), but I'm not sure posting here is the most effective way to get the attention of people who are likely to have encountered this kind of question before. Maybe try [[WP:WPBIO]] or maybe [[WP:BOOKS]] as well? If you don't get much input, my suggestion would be to make a formal [[WP:RfD]] about swapping [[James Alfred Wight]] with [[James Herriot]]. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 22:24, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

::Thanks @[[User:Asilvering|asilvering]], I have added  "Rfc|bio" to the relevant Talk page section, will see what happens... Cheers Tony [[User:Tony 1212|Tony 1212]] ([[User talk:Tony 1212|talk]]) 05:38, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

== How to edit excessive and unrelated info ==

Hello,

I am a novice editor and I have found myself working on the Wartime sexual violence page. What I would like to know is how I should proceed in regard to the subsection on the Imperial Japanese Army. It is filled with excessive and unrelated information, but I do not wish to delete the detailed work of someone else without additional input. Should I save unrelated informative info to my personal files and transfer that information to a related page? Or should I just mass delete? Any help is much appreciated.

Many thanks! [[User:Cicadalovemail|Cicadalovemail]] ([[User talk:Cicadalovemail|talk]]) 16:52, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

:Hello, Cicadalovemail, and welcome to the Teahouse. 
:The simple answer is that you don't have to save anything, because a) text in Wikipedia does not belong to anybody and the person who wrote it has no proprietary control over it, and b) it will all still be there in the history of the article anyway 
:But before removing significant material, I would suggest discussing it on the article's talk page. (You could even copy the material you want to remove into that discussion, so that it will still be readily accessible there if you do go ahead and delete it), If nobody has disagreed in, say, a week, go ahead and remove it. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 17:17, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you for your response! Hope you have a good day! [[User:Cicadalovemail|Cicadalovemail]] ([[User talk:Cicadalovemail|talk]]) 17:38, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Cicadalovemail|Cicadalovemail]]: Building on the good answer above, if you decide to delete some text, please use a [[WP:Edit summary|edit summary]] explaining why you're being constructive and thoughtful by deleting the material.  If someone else reverts your edit and restores the text, you can discuss it on the article's talk page and come to a consensus.  Happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 21:34, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:::: (edit conflict) In looking at the before/after, I agree that much, perhaps the majority of the content about Japan during WWII had nothing to do with wartime sexual violence. You cut a lot of that and reduced references in that section from ~100 to ~30. It is possible that an editor who watches this article will revert your massive cut. The proper next step will be to start a discussion on the Talk page of the article, inviting the dissenting editor. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 21:40, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::I'll add to this that, because you are a new editor, it is reasonably likely that someone ''will'' revert your content removals. Easier said than done, but don't let this discourage you! Go to the Talk page as you've been advised, and everything should work out in the end. If you're having trouble, you can come back here to ask for another set of eyes on the problem. Good luck! -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 22:32, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

For the curious, the article is [[Wartime sexual violence]], and as expected, it is a depressing read. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 08:51, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

== Technical question about infobox ==

Greetings to all! I have a technical question: I have just created the article [[Batak Hydropower Cascade]] and in the infobox there is a repeating image, which I have not added. I guess there is some kind of automatic connection between the article and the image, and I really don't want to have it in the infobox, and even less, to have it three times. Since I would most likely not easily understand how to overcome these issues, I would highly appreciate if someone could edit out the images.

And another question: is it possible to add the geographic map of Bulgaria in the infobox, instead of the current one.

Sorry if the questions are mundane, but I am really terrible in all technical aspects of editing. Thank you in advance. --[[User:Gligan|Gligan]] ([[User talk:Gligan|talk]]) 19:07, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:Here it is [[c:File:Bulgaria-geographic map-en.svg]]
:Regarding the repetitive image, I too couldn't figure it out. [[User:Leoneix|Leoneix]] <sub>([[User talk:Leoneix|talk]])</sub> 19:27, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:: Thank you for giving it a try. I hope someone would figure it out.
:: As for the map, my idea is to have the map like [[Lepenitsa Cave|in this article]], for example. In the infobox of the Bulgarian settlements, I have figured out how to replace the administrative map with the geographic one, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Batak%2C_Bulgaria&diff=1186681997&oldid=1182701045 like this (see line 16)] but for this infobox template this trick does not work. --[[User:Gligan|Gligan]] ([[User talk:Gligan|talk]]) 19:42, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:When I copy and paste the whole code on [[Batak Hydropower Cascade]] to my sandbox, the images to do not appear. The infobox is perfectly fine. Hope this helps other editors who are looking into this. [[User:Jeraxmoira|Jeraxmoira]] ([[User talk:Jeraxmoira|talk]]) 20:02, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::Okay, this is weird. The images are not visible now. [[User:Jeraxmoira|Jeraxmoira]] ([[User talk:Jeraxmoira|talk]]) 20:09, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::: Thank you, now I managed to figure it out myself. Apparently, the image in question was connected to the [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q12272991 wikidata page of the Batak Hydropower Cascade/Way]. I removed it there and it disappeared from the infobox.
::: Now only the question of pure aesthetics, not importance, remains: if it is possible to have the relieve map in this type of infobox, instead of the administrative. --[[User:Gligan|Gligan]] ([[User talk:Gligan|talk]]) 20:10, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::::{{tl|Infobox dam}} pulls the image from the article's wikidata item when <code>image=</code> is null. Your sandbox has no wikidata item. The cure will be to use something other than {{tl|Infobox dam}} for the components of Batak Hydropower Cascade (or find a means of overriding the template's default behaviour). --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 20:13, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::::It is entirely '''wrong''' to vandalise the wikidata item by removing its image, because the WP templates are fouled up. I've readded the image to WD. Please do not remove it again. Other users of that WD item should be afforded the courtesy of it having its image. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 20:13, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::Vandalism is, by definition, bad faith, which clearly isn't the case here… <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- [[User:Maddy from Celeste|Maddy from Celeste]] ([[User talk:Maddy from Celeste|WAVEDASH]])</b> 20:17, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::The dicdef of vandalism says nothing about bad faith. It is merely "action involving deliberate destruction of or damage to public or private property." --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 20:19, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, I'm sorry, I was just using [[WP:VAN|Wikipedia's definition]], which says: {{tq|Even if misguided, willfully against consensus, or disruptive, any good faith effort to improve the encyclopedia is not vandalism.}} Similarly, [[d:Wikidata:Vandalism|Wikidata's definition]]: {{tq|a deliberate attempt to damage or compromise the integrity of Wikidata. […] [A]ny good-faith attempt to improve Wikidata is not vandalism.}} It is [[WP:AGF|not]] [[WP:BITE|fitting]] to accuse good-faith but mistaken editors of vandalism. <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- [[User:Maddy from Celeste|Maddy from Celeste]] ([[User talk:Maddy from Celeste|WAVEDASH]])</b> 20:24, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::{{ping|Tagishsimon}} My edit was not meant as a vandalism. I did not know that removing an image counts like one. The definitions used in some English-speaking countries are not familiar with me and certainly I had no clue that such an action may be defined as "destruction".
::::::::In any case, I hope another user could find a solution to the issue. --[[User:Gligan|Gligan]] ([[User talk:Gligan|talk]]) 20:28, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::That's an odd tact to take—is it not expected to use Wikipedia's working definition of an important word like 'vandalism' when not otherwise specified, especially when attempting to help inquiring editors? [[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:2px 0 0 2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:1px 3px;color:#000">留</span>]] 20:30, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::::You should also change tact to tack, Remsense. But thanks for joining in. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 20:34, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::{{midsize|It's beside the point, but I am aware of the provenance of the idiom. Not all variants are malapropisms or points for confusion.}}<span id="Remsense:1701376779035:WikipediaFTTCLNTeahouse" class="FTTCmt">[[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:2px 0 0 2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:1px 3px;color:#000">留</span>]] 20:39, 30 November 2023 (UTC)</span>
:Anyway, the problem seems to be {{tl|Infobox dam}} pulling the image from Wikidata if none is specified. Is there precedent for adding a parameter to disable this? <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- [[User:Maddy from Celeste|Maddy from Celeste]] ([[User talk:Maddy from Celeste|WAVEDASH]])</b> 20:37, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::I've added a <code>noimg</code> parameter that, if nonempty, prevents any image, including from Wikidata, from being displayed. See {{tl|Infobox dam/sandbox}}, and [[User:Maddy from Celeste/sandbox]] for how the article's infobox would look with this change. If we agree on this, I can put in an edit request to have this implemented in the actual infobox. <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- [[User:Maddy from Celeste|Maddy from Celeste]] ([[User talk:Maddy from Celeste|WAVEDASH]])</b> 20:51, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:::{{tl|Infobox dam}} uses [[Module:InfoboxImage]] which automatically suppresses certain image names. I have used <code>image=No image available.png</code>.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Batak_Hydropower_Cascade&diff=prev&oldid=1187688731] We could just document this but I don't know whether the list of suppressed image names is completely stable. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 21:04, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::::I'd sure hope that a central module like that would provide a stable interface. <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- [[User:Maddy from Celeste|Maddy from Celeste]] ([[User talk:Maddy from Celeste|WAVEDASH]])</b> 21:07, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::Thank you very much. --[[User:Gligan|Gligan]] ([[User talk:Gligan|talk]]) 21:11, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::I have suggested an <code>|image=no</code> parameter at [[Module talk:InfoboxImage#Explicit option to not add image]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:10, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

== Split interpretations of policy leading to confusion ==

It seems Admins and Editors alike all have different interpretations of Wikipedia policy and guidelines. Where one page using criteria A gets deemed as within guidelines, another page using "criteria A" gets deleted or drafted by other editors.

Specifically, there seems to be an issue with citations and how many are needed. There seems to be no consensus on how many citations a subject needs. '''How many citations should a good wikipedia article have? How can I find worthy citations outside of google (Tools, resources, etc?)'''

ALSO: Seeing as how OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't valid argument to base the quality of an article/page:

'''How do I find reference articles that aren't just "other articles that exist," and are actually GOOD articles?''' [[User:Comintell|Comintell]] ([[User talk:Comintell|talk]]) 02:16, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:In answer to the first question, the answer is not an ordinal, so much as ''All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose)'' - per [[Wikipedia:Good article criteria#The six good article criteria]].

:As to the second, ~39k of them at [[:Category:Good articles]]. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 02:31, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

:The best examples will be at [[WP:FA]]. As for how many, there are some editors who act as though ''all'' statements need to be sourced; that isn't actually the policy. The policy is that all statements need to be ''verifiable''. But I'm not sure this is actually what you mean to ask - it sounds to me like you're asking about notability. The consensus on ''that'' is at [[WP:N]]. If you want to get a better handle on how it works, my advice is to lurk at [[WP:AFD]] for a while. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 02:59, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
::{{ping|Tagishsimon}} Changed your category to a category link.  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 03:00, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Comintell|Comintell]]: Note that "Good articles" (GA) has a specific meaning on Wikipedia, which you may not have intended with your question.  For more information on how Wikipedia articles are graded based on their quality, see [[Wikipedia:Content assessment]].  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 03:03, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:I would pause for a moment to consider what consensus on this would even look like. It seems absurd to set a fixed number, does it not? Unfortunately, flexibility and arbitrariness go hand in hand: for me, it's clear the pros of the former are worth the cons of the letter for a point like this.<span id="Remsense:1701399373062:WikipediaFTTCLNTeahouse" class="FTTCmt"> [[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:2px 0 0 2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:1px 3px;color:#000">留</span>]] 02:56, 1 December 2023 (UTC)</span>
:@[[User:Comintell|Comintell]] In relation to your {{tq|How can I find worthy citations}} question, there is a useful template that you'll often see on an  article-for-deletion discussion or on the Talk Page of articles. It also works within your sandbox. It is {{tl|find sources}} which renders as 
:{{find sources}}. [[User:Michael D. Turnbull|Mike Turnbull]] ([[User talk:Michael D. Turnbull|talk]]) 10:00, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:I agree with Remsense. Trying to find some hard, fixed number shouldn't be a goal. Some topics need more, complex, citations, others don't. And so on. [[User:Edward-Woodrow|Edward-Woodrow]] ([[User talk:Edward-Woodrow|talk]]) 12:58, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

== Hello, how do you make a diagonal line in a edit? I really need to know so I can seperate different sections! ==

How do you make a diagonal line in the editor? [[User:Removingthegraffiti|Removingthegraffiti]] ([[User talk:Removingthegraffiti|talk]]) 17:30, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

:what do you mean a diagonal line? Do you mean you want a to make a new HEADER/section in the article, or like, an actual LINE
:----------------
:In the article? [[User:Babysharkboss2|<span style="color: red">Babysharkboss2 was here!!</span>]] ([[User talk:Babysharkboss2|<span style="color: black">Shine on you</span>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Babysharkboss2|<span style="color: orange">Crazy Diamond</span>]]) 18:44, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::Hi [[User:Removingthegraffiti|Removingthegraffiti]], welcome to the Teahouse. A [[diagonal]] line is tilted like a slash / or backslash \. Is that really what you mean? If you mean a horizontal line like the one posted above by Babysharkboss2 then we don't do that in articles per [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout#Horizontal rule]], but one is automatically added below level 2 headings like <code>== Section ==</code>. See more at [[Help:Section]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 21:15, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Ah, I meant a straight line. Thank you! [[User:Removingthegraffiti|Removingthegraffiti]] ([[User talk:Removingthegraffiti|talk]]) 15:33, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

== Photos of corpses ==

Hi teahouse, can anyone point me to a style guideline, essay, or discussion anywhere about the use of photos of corpses in articles? I'm of course aware of [[WP:NOTCENSORED]], but it's very normal for press and publishers to have some kind of guideline on when they are useful and when they are crossing a line (into voyeurism, privacy/rights violations, tastelessness, and all kinds of other reasons), and I expect we've had that discussion somewhere. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 23:42, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
: {{re|Asilvering}} Closest I can find at the moment is [[Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Images#Offensive_images]]. [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 01:04, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks @[[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]], that's close enough. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 06:51, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Indeed, that only mentioned "vulgar or obscene" as the reasons an image can be potentially offensive. I just added "horrifying". —⁠ ⁠[[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 16:06, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

== Draft:Together Price ==

Hello Teahouse Community! 

Good day to you all. I have a question regarding my draft, [[Draft:Together Price]], which has been declined a couple of times. I was wondering if the sources below are reliable. If you could also check the page itself, that would be great.

[[El Mundo (Spain)|El Mundo]]
[[La Stampa]]
[[Corriere della Sera]]
[[The Spanish|El Español]] 
[[Il Sole 24 Ore]]

Thank you.~~ [[User:CGxoxo|CGxoxo]] ([[User talk:CGxoxo|talk]]) 10:06, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

:I know that most of them are, [[User:CGxoxo|CGxoxo]]. I'd guess that the others are too. NB you have been asked for sources that are reliable ''and'' "in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)" ''and'' secondary ''and'' disinterested. (Incidentally, what does "platform" mean here? Just "company"?) -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 13:02, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
::Referencing routine financial transactions does not contribute to notability. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 16:17, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

== Empty preview ==

The preview for [[Hell Gate]] currently shows me a picture next to space for text, but without any text in it. Looking at the wikitext, the article starts with two images, the first with a landscape and the second with a portrait orientation. The one in the preview is the portrait one. Is this a known issue?

- [[Special:Contributions/2A02:560:58AF:6800:EC6B:2655:5895:CC79|2A02:560:58AF:6800:EC6B:2655:5895:CC79]] ([[User talk:2A02:560:58AF:6800:EC6B:2655:5895:CC79|talk]]) 15:47, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:Some things can prevent the preview feature from finding the right text. I have moved {{tl|Coord}} to the bottom.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hell_Gate&diff=prev&oldid=1187816375] That works for me. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 16:19, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
::For me too. Cheers! :)
::- [[Special:Contributions/2A02:560:58AF:6800:EC6B:2655:5895:CC79|2A02:560:58AF:6800:EC6B:2655:5895:CC79]] ([[User talk:2A02:560:58AF:6800:EC6B:2655:5895:CC79|talk]]) 16:36, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

== National Register pages template or standard? ==

Looking for some guidance on best practice. I'm reading around in National Register of Historic Places pages and see variations in the maps offered in the right side bar. See these examples:

[[Anoka Post Office]] (has a location map, a local map, as well as state and country)
[[Fort Snelling]] (state map only)
[[Fort Payne Depot Museum]] (state and country maps)
[[Blood Run Site]] (no maps, just pictures)

Some archaeological sites are "address restricted" such as:
[[Big Gyp Cave Pictograph site]] (but the county where it is located is mentioned and could be mapped?)

What's the best practice for maps for these National Register pages?  Because they are all in the National Register of Historic Places, is it valuable to standardize this sidebar information?

Thanks, y'all. [[User:BilCen|BilCen]] ([[User talk:BilCen|talk]]) 16:26, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:BilCen|BilCen]]: Welcome to the Teahouse!  The "right side bar" is {{tl|Infobox NRHP}}, and what maps can be added is listed in the [[Template:Infobox NRHP]] documentation.  The [[Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/Style guide]] doesn't seem to detail which maps should (or should not) be used.  You may wish to start a conversation at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/Style guide]] to develop (or clarify) the best practice.  Happy editing! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 16:39, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

== Aftermath as a section title for prowrestling shows  ==

I've found and changed a few sections titled "Aftermath" to "Plot Summary" for a few prowrestling tv specials. When I clicked see also, I just kept finding more. Am I wrong to update these, or does Wikipedia prefer an in-universe description for these shows? Should I continue? [[User:Ultraneutral|Ultraneutral]] ([[User talk:Ultraneutral|talk]]) 08:49, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

:While [[WP:INUNIVERSE]] is a continual problem faced in the pro wrestling corner of Wikipedia (I say this as someone who heavily edits those areas), this format is currently the accepted style for pro wrestling event articles (see [[WP:PW/MOS]]). Changing this format would require consensus at [[WP:PW]]. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">music</i>]])''</sup> 08:53, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:I'm not one who edits much in that corner, but [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Survivor_Series_(2017)&diff=prev&oldid=1187771983] doesn't quite make sense to me. If that is "plot summary", isn't "Storylines" and "Event" plot summaries too? [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 09:01, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Ultraneutral|Ultraneutral]]: Looking at [[Survivor Series (2017)]], it seems that the "Aftermath" section discusses what happened AFTER Survivor Series.  I would expect a "Plot Summary" section to discuss what happened DURING Survivor Series.  However, I agree with the suggestion about to discuss with the members of the WikiProject. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 16:46, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

== Goal achived ==

Hello I have achived the sole goal of this account and logged back into my main account @[[User:Casper King|Casper King]]. What steps would I use in order to disengage this account as it is now a sock puppet? [[User:HelpCasperking|HelpCasperking]] ([[User talk:HelpCasperking|talk]]) 14:49, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

:[[User:HelpCasperking|HelpCasperking]] you can just stop using the account, and declare the [[WP:SOCKLEGIT]] purpose on your user page. [[User:Sungodtemple|Sungodtemple]] ([[User talk:Sungodtemple|talk]] &#8226; [[Special:Contributions/Sungodtemple|contribs]]) 15:15, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:I don't know if sockpuppet would be it, I think it'd be [[WP:SPA]] [[User:Babysharkboss2|<span style="color: red">Babysharkboss2 was here!!</span>]] ([[User talk:Babysharkboss2|<span style="color: black">Shine on you</span>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Babysharkboss2|<span style="color: orange">Crazy Diamond</span>]]) 17:24, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
::While it is an account with a singular purpose, it is not considered to be a single-purpose account as that essay defines it. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 17:43, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:::Right, [[User:HelpCasperking|HelpCasperking]] is just an [[WP:ALTACC|alternative account]]. We don't call them [[WP:SOCK]] or [[WP:SPA]] unless they are used for certain things. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 17:45, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

== Finding sources for childhood studies article ==

Hello! I'm a fairly inexperienced editor and noticed the [[Childhood studies]] article had very little in text citations and also just some obvious issues with its content. I've made some small edits but I'm really struggling with finding reliable sources of information when it comes to writing about the history of the field, since searching tends to only reveal articles from the field itself. Any advice or help would be greatly appreciated.  [[User:Sillypilled|Sillypilled]] ([[User talk:Sillypilled|talk]]) 18:46, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:Welcome to the Teahouse, {{u|Sillypilled}}. One of the first results I found on Google Scholar was [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yskvEAAAQBAJ&lpg=PA19&ots=awGc0eDaeN&dq=%22Childhood%20studies%22&lr&pg=PA19#v=onepage&q&f=false this book chapter], which gives a brief history of the field. That might be helpful as a starting point, especially if you're able to get access to the full text of the chapter (you could try [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange]]). [https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1179/cip.2009.1.1.5 This article] also looks promising. [[User:Cordless Larry|Cordless Larry]] ([[User talk:Cordless Larry|talk]]) 20:09, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

== Help with citation dates ==

Hi everyone! 

I'm a student currently working on a wikipedia article for a class project. I recently generated a references page for this article: [[Outgroup Favoritism]] and nearly every citation has this error: "<code><nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:Cite journal|cite journal]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki></code>: Check date values in: <code>|date=</code> ([[Help:CS1 errors#bad date|help]])" Could someone explain to me why this is happening and what I can do to troubleshoot it? Thank you! Lienne [[User:Lcupal|Lcupal]] ([[User talk:Lcupal|talk]]) 20:00, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

:{{ping|Lcupal}} I think the template wants dates in any of the formats shown in the 'Acceptable date formats' table at [[MOS:DATE]]. Some of the cites in the article are in the format 2008-06, which does not work. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 20:17, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:{{ec}} @[[User:Lcupal|Lcupal]]: Hi there!  Many dates in the references in the article are in the format ####-##.  If you click on the (help) link, you'll go to [[Help:CS1 errors#bad date]].  Scroll down and you'll see a table that shows "Ambiguous date range or year and month" with the example "{{para|plain=y|date|2002-{{red|03}}}}".  To remove the errors, dates in this format need to be changed to {{para|plain=y|date|2002–{{green|20}}03}} or {{para|plain=y|date|{{green|March}} 2002}}.  I run a bot daily to fix the non-ambiguous date formats, which has fixed most of them.  Could you please fix the rest?  Thanks! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 20:23, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

== book articles without a cover image ==

i'd like to help add book cover images within the guidelines of fair use. i have gotten pretty good at doing that. is there a way that i could pull a list of articles about books, likely modern books so that the image is readily findable, that might not have a cover image in their infobox? I could help add those images. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 00:16, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:Hi [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]]. We have [[:Category:Books with missing cover]]. {{Search link|1=incategory:"Books with missing cover" insource:/published *= *20/}} and {{Search link|1=incategory:"Books with missing cover" insource:/published *= *199/}} combines it with a recent year in <code>|published=</code>. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 01:11, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
::one returned result was [[Bruno Maddox]] which is an author, not a book. Overall though this is a great answer. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 01:15, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:::Bruno Maddox is there correctly actually - scroll down a bit and you'll find the infobox with missing cover. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 01:23, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
::::i see it now. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 01:28, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
::::::Except that trying to add a non-free book cover to Bruno Maddox is most likely going to fail [[:WP:NFCC#8]] due to [[:WP:NFC#cite_note-3]]. If the category is simply being populated by articles using {{tl|Infobox book}} with an empty {{para|image}} parameter, then I suggest you just don't automatically <u>assume</u>that a non-free book cover should be added to every article listed in the category. For stand-alone article about books, where the image is being added to main infobox at the top of the article for primary identification purposes, then adding a non-free book cover is probably OK; for other types of articles or other types of uses, chances are that's it's not. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 02:06, 1 December 2023 (UTC);<small>[Note: Poste dited by Marchjuly to add the word "assume" to second sentence. -- 22:16, 1 December 2023 (UTC)]</small> 
:::::::ok, i will only add it then for those atop the article in the primary infobox and will leave the rest alone going forward. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 02:11, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:::::ok new question for you two. once i upload an image. look at [[Lennon Bermuda]] for example. it should no longer show up in the list right? I have clicked refresh even and it still shows up in the 2000s list. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 01:50, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
::::::I think because this is dependent on another template (rather than being a maintenance category that is manually added by editors), it will not immediately update. I can't give you anything more specific than that because I don't know much about the back end of mediawiki. -- [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 02:48, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]]: Once you upload an image AND add it to the article's infobox, the category should no longer appear.  The ''[[Lennon Bermuda]]'' article has TWO infoboxes: {{tl|Infobox album}} with an image, and {{tl|Infobox book}} without an image.  I don't know which infobox should have the image.  [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 03:07, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:::::::oh the book actually. my mistake on that. i will move them [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 03:23, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
::actually others have cover images too.. not sure now if this is reliable. check out [[Henderson's Boys]] [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 01:16, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
::: That's not a cover image, that is a logo for the book series.  The individual books within the series don't have cover images.  [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 01:20, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
::::i see [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 01:21, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:: That search is incomplete.  [[A_House_on_Water]] is a 2022 book missing a cover image.  The infobox is using "publication date" not "published" so that explain it.  [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 01:19, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:::can you help to fix the search? i did find others that were returning what i was looking for such as [[Lennon Bermuda]], which i will find and upload a fair use image for right now.. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 01:20, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
::: Replying to myself, the search may not be incomplete, I think I misunderstood a previous comment.  [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 01:27, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
::::ok [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 01:28, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:::::This finds both <code>published</code> and <code>pub_date</code>: {{search link|1=incategory:"Books with missing cover" insource:/(published{{!}}pub_date) *= *20/}}. [[:File:My Little Blue Dress book cover.jpg#Summary]] inaccurately says: "to serve as the primary means of visual identification at the top of the article dedicated to the work in question." I don't know fair use rules for images in article sections about subtopics. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 02:03, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
::::::interesting point. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 02:05, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:::::::i think it is still fair use, maybe just the description could be amended? [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 02:07, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
::::::::It's [[:fair use]] perhaps but [[:WP:NFC#Background|fair use and non-free content are not one and the same]] for Wikipedia's purposes. [[:WP:NFCC|Wikipedia's non-free content use policy]] has been intentionally set up to be more restrictive than fair use; so, it's best not to mix up the two concepts. In-body use of non-free cover art (with or without an infobox) is almost always considered [[:WP:DECORATIVE]] non-free use per [[:WP:NFC#cite_note-3]] absent any sourced critical commentary about the cover art itself. The same applies to most other types of cover art like album covers, magazine covers, DVD covers, etc. Most infoboxes have a parameter for images by default, but that <u>doesn't</u> automatically make it OK for a non-free image to be used there. In some cases, non-free book cover art could be used in an article about the person who created the cover as an example of their work or particular style, but generally they're not allowed to be used in articles about authors just because the author wrote the book which the cover represents. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 02:17, 1 December 2023 (UTC); <small>[Note: Post edited by Marchjuly to add a missing "doesn't" to the second to last sentence. -- 12:04, 1 December 2023 (UTC)]</small>
:::::::::i see. so restrictive! thank you though. [[User:Iljhgtn|Iljhgtn]] ([[User talk:Iljhgtn|talk]]) 02:22, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::Thanks [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]]. Did you miss a "doesn't" in "that automatically make it OK"? [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 11:39, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yes, I did. Thank you for a catching that. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 12:04, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

== How to upload a picture to wikimedia with the proper permission? ==

Hello everyone,

As a new content editor on Wikipedia, I am currently facing challenges in uploading a picture. I have obtained explicit permission from the copyright holder/author, clearly stated in an email. They have granted me permission to reuse the picture for public documentation and as a memorial for the person depicted. However, the same picture is published on their website without any attached license. I am unsure about the correct steps to secure permission, especially since my intent is to use the picture non-commercially. Any guidance on this matter would be greatly appreciated. [[User:Plantton|Plantton]] ([[User talk:Plantton|talk]]) 18:42, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Plantton|Plantton]] Hi, and welcome! You can upload the photo to Wikimedia Commons at [[:c:Special:UploadWizard]], then have them send the permission using the release form at [[:c:com:RELGEN]] to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org. Thanks for contributing, and let me know if you have any questions! &mdash; [[User:Mdaniels5757|Mdaniels5757]] ([[User talk:Mdaniels5757|talk]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Mdaniels5757|contribs]]) 18:45, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Plantton|Plantton]], it may be easier, for you at least, if the copyright holder registers and uploads it themselves. Note that they have to release it under a [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing#Well-known_licenses], which means they have to allow the pic to be used commercially. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 18:54, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:Hi {{u|Plantton}}. Giving you permission or giving permission for use {{tq|as a memorial}} aren't sufficient per Wikipedia's copyright policy. What is needed is for the copyright holder to give their [[:WP:CONSENT]] (or [[:c:COM:CONSENT]]) and this basically means that the copyright holder agrees in advance to give everyone one in the world permission to reuse the photo anyway they want at anytime they want with only some minimal restrictions to meet. So, before you upload anything, you might want to ask the copyright holder of the photo to take a look at [https://creativecommons.org/share-your-work/cclicenses/#:~:text=Creative%20Commons%20licenses%20give%20everyone,creative%20work%20under%20copyright%20law. this Creative Commons license information page] about some licenses commonly considered OK for Wikipedia purposes. Please note that Wikipedia doesn't accept any license that places restrictions on commercial reuse or derivative reuse (as explained in [[:Wikipedia:Copyrights]]), unless it's being licensed as [[:WP:NFC|non-free content]], which has [[:WP:NFCC|its own specific policy]] in addition to [[:Wikipedia:Image use policy]]. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 22:34, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

== I need help with my draft for Raegan Revord  ==

Hey there! I could really use some help with submitting my draft for Raegan Revord. I messed up and accidentally deleted the template that shows the submit for review. I also tried moving it to the mainspace, but that didn't work out. Any chance someone could lend a hand and submit it for me or place that template? Here is the [[User:Aona1212/sandbox|draft]]. Thanks a bunch in advance to anyone who can help out! [[User:Aona1212|Aona1212]] ([[User talk:Aona1212|talk]]) 21:15, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:I've added the necessary template at [[User:Aona1212/sandbox]]. Be aware of [[Draft:Raegan Revord]] which has serially been turned down when presented at Articles for Creation. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] ([[User talk:Tagishsimon|talk]]) 21:31, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
::Hi @[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]]! Thank you for the help and for telling me about the draft. I'm going to check on it and update the page. I just wanted to see if it gets accepted. Thank you. [[User:Aona1212|Aona1212]] ([[User talk:Aona1212|talk]]) 22:53, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

== About the deletion of my contributions ==

Hello Dear Wikipedians,

The user named Sira Aspera deletes my contributions without giving any reason. I contribute by citing sources. For example, he/she always deletes the information that Bezmialem Sultan was from the Machabeli family of Georgian origin. I think I have been treated unfairly. Please help me on this. The articles I mentioned are:

[[Bezmiâlem Sultan|Bezmialem Sultan]]

[[Amilakhvari]]

[[Lortkipanidze]]

[[Abdulmejid I]]

[[Machabeli]]

etc. [[User:Rime|Rime]] ([[User talk:Rime|talk]]) 22:38, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:Hi @[[User:Rime|Rime]], and welcome to the Teahouse! Looking at [[User:Sira Aspera]]'s edits, I see they revert quite frequently without edit summaries, which is against policy. I shall drop them a note on their talk page. <b style="font-family:Monospace">-- [[User:Maddy from Celeste|Maddy from Celeste]] ([[User talk:Maddy from Celeste|WAVEDASH]])</b> 22:44, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you so much Dear Wikipedian.  [[User:Rime|Rime]] ([[User talk:Rime|talk]]) 22:55, 1 December 2023 (UTC)