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= July 21 =

== undelete ==

can anyone help undelete professional boxer Mario Herrera's page and help add cord   [[Special:Contributions/24.148.82.142|24.148.82.142]] ([[User talk:24.148.82.142|talk]]) 01:07, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

:No, because it was deleted as promotional. Wikipedia doesn't want advertising. I note that {{U|Gpworld22}} has today created [[Draft:Mario Herrera (boxer)]]; you're free to improve it. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 02:03, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

== Question about editing ==

How do I successfully add ''Poetry X Hunger'' (www.PoetryXHunger.com) to the See Also listing on the Hunger Wikipage?  ''Poetry X Hunger'' partners with the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization, the Capital Area Food Bank, the Maryland State Arts Councils and many others to rouse poets from around the world to fight hunger with their powerful poems.  All of the more than 300 hunger-themed poems on the website are freely available to anti-hunger organizations.  A link to it in the See Also listing would be helpful in amplifying our efforts. 


I tried to add ''Poetry X Hunger'' to the See Also listing on the Hunger wikipage.  Tacyarg removed it. 


Thanks,

Hiram Larew, PhD  

[[User:HLAREW|HLAREW]] ([[User talk:HLAREW|talk]]) 01:33, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

:How do you successfully add it? You don't. See also sections aren't there to provide links to random vaguely-connected websites, even if they are promoting good causes: see [[Wikipedia:External links]]. If we added every website concerning hunger-related causes, the page would be half a mile long. [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 01:42, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
::Wikipedia is also not supposed to be used for advocacy or for promoting causes. See [[WP:SOAP]]. The perceived nobility of the cause does not matter.  —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^&lowbar;^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|a little blue Bori]]</small></sup> 06:04, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks.  Good luck! [[User:HLAREW|HLAREW]] ([[User talk:HLAREW|talk]]) 20:19, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks.   [[User:HLAREW|HLAREW]] ([[User talk:HLAREW|talk]]) 20:21, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
:In addition to what others have said, the See Also section is for links to other Wikipedia articles on related topics, not for external links.  If an external link to Poetry X Hunger was appropriate (it is not, as others have explained), the See Also section would be the wrong place for it. ~ ''[[User:ONUnicorn|<span style="color:#0cc">ONUnicorn</span>]]''<sup>([[User talk:ONUnicorn|Talk]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/ONUnicorn|Contribs]])</sup><small>[[WP:P&amp;S|problem solving]]</small> 15:51, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks.   [[User:HLAREW|HLAREW]] ([[User talk:HLAREW|talk]]) 20:20, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks.   [[User:HLAREW|HLAREW]] ([[User talk:HLAREW|talk]]) 20:20, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

== Getting listed on Wikipedia ==

Hello, I would dill etc know the process of getting a wikipedia page. [[Special:Contributions/24.61.86.193|24.61.86.193]] ([[User talk:24.61.86.193|talk]]) 01:35, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

:You can't 'get' Wikipedia pages. Read this [[Wikipedia:FAQ]]. [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 01:43, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
:Unless your subject is shown to be [[WP:N|notable]] as Wikipedia defines it, it won't get an ''article''. Also, [[Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing|an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing]]. —[[User:Tenryuu|<span style="color:#556B2F">Tenryuu&nbsp;🐲</span>]]&nbsp;(&nbsp;[[User talk:Tenryuu|💬]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Tenryuu|📝]]&nbsp;) 12:59, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

== Pale Saints article written in Dutch ==

This article shows a black and white photograph claiming it is a photograph of the band Pale Saints but it is a photograph of Lush.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2601:600:8D80:18C0:382A:D63F:6501:5396|2601:600:8D80:18C0:382A:D63F:6501:5396]] ([[User talk:2601:600:8D80:18C0:382A:D63F:6501:5396#top|talk]]) 03:55, 21 July 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:The place to point this out is [[:nl:Overleg:Pale Saints]]. (I don't suppose anyone would mind if you did so in English.) Though you could just switch the photos yourself. ([[:commons:File:Lush pale saint 2Mo.jpg]] is described as of both bands.) -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 04:24, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

== How to change the title of a page ==

I want to make an edit to the top of the page, but when I go to the edit option that item is not there. This is the page I want to update: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Med-peds. 

At the very top it should be Med-Peds, with both the M and the P capitalized. This would also help capitalize the item in the title. [[Special:Contributions/149.142.201.244|149.142.201.244]] ([[User talk:149.142.201.244|talk]]) 05:37, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

:Sorry, but only [[Wikipedia:User access levels#Autoconfirmed|autoconfirmed]] users may rename pages. You can still ask someone to do it at [[Wikipedia:Requested moves]] if you do not want to become autoconfirmed before moving this. [[User:weeklyd3|<span style="background-color: cyan; color: blue;">weeklyd3</span>]] (<span class="sysop-show">[[Special:block/weeklyd3|block]] &#124; </span>[[User talk:weeklyd3|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contribs/weeklyd3|contributions]]) 05:39, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
::How can I become an autoconfirmed user? I just signed up for an account/ verified my email associated with the account.  [[User:Ssmpac|Ssmpac]] ([[User talk:Ssmpac|talk]]) 05:50, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
:::4 days and 10 edits minimum gets you autoconfirmed.  —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^&lowbar;^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|a little blue Bori]]</small></sup> 06:02, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
:::Irequested speed deletion  on [[Med-Peds]] page because of this move request. I couldn't move it because it already exists. [[User:QiuLiming1|QiuLiming1]] ([[User talk:QiuLiming1|talk]]) 06:10, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
:I commented on the article's talk page, so continue the discussion there. Please see [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. -[[User:Arch dude|Arch dude]] ([[User talk:Arch dude|talk]]) 06:16, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
:: The OP is a paid editor, and has responded appropriately and professionally to suggestions made on the talk page. I feel that this is now resolved. -[[User:Arch dude|Arch dude]] ([[User talk:Arch dude|talk]]) 06:12, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

== Strange behavior of archived copy at archive.org ==

Is [https://web.archive.org/web/20220619162104/https://www.news24.com/Fin24/sas-fake-young-billionaire-arrested-20110511 this archived link] misbehaving only for me, or is there something else wrong with it? It initially seems to start loading up correctly, with the news article title showing up in the browser title bar/tab, but before any page content is displayed it starts going into some kind of weird redirect loop trying to jump to the news website's main page or something. For reference, [https://www.news24.com/Fin24/sas-fake-young-billionaire-arrested-20110511 here is the original page url] which works fine and isn't paywalled or anything like that.

This doesn't seem like something that affects the entire source domain (e.g. anti-archival script), because I'm also setting up archive urls for other pages from the same news site, and they do work correctly. Very odd. Anyone has any idea what's going on?
—&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730|2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730]] ([[User talk:2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730|talk]]) 09:03, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

:I can't get that page on the Wayback Machine to load correctly either. Unfortunately Wikipedia doesn't have any control over archive.org and its doings. The original non-archived version is working correctly at [https://www.news24.com/Fin24/sas-fake-young-billionaire-arrested-20110511 SA's fake 'young billionaire' arrested]. I've now created a different archived version at [[Archive.today]] which is [https://archive.ph/jlMcq here]. This could be used instead.--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 09:18, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
::Good to know it wasn't just me. Thanks for helping to set up the alternate version on Archive.today! —&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730|2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730]] ([[User talk:2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730|talk]]) 11:32, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

== areo- ==

I know Wikipedia is not a dictionary, but will it still be appropriate with a redirect from [[areo-]] to [[Geography of Mars]]? [[User:Utfor|Utfor]] ([[User talk:Utfor#top|talk]]) 15:33, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

:areo- is likely too unspecific to have any use as a redirect. What makes areo- signify [[Areography]] and not [[Areopoli]] or [[Areostationary orbit]]? [[User:WelpThatWorked|WelpThatWorked]] ([[User talk:WelpThatWorked|talk]]) 16:05, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
::Thank you for your answer! [[User:Utfor|Utfor]] ([[User talk:Utfor#top|talk]]) 19:28, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

== Logos and copyright ==

Hi. I want to use the logo [[https://lovot.life/images/header/logo.svg]] in an article's infobox. As it's not a "literary work", I assume it's ok to upload it to Wikipedia and use it? [[User:Dr. Züm|Dr. Züm]] ([[User talk:Dr. Züm|talk]]) 19:18, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

:Copyright attaches to logos and similar artworks, so you cannot assume that that graphic is not protected and can be used without restriction.  I believe a low resolution version is acceptable under fair use considerations.  So you will need to find out the maximum resolution and then pixelate the SVG to suit.  Hopefully someone more knowledgeable about the details in this context will be along soon.  [[User:RobbieIanMorrison|RobbieIanMorrison]] ([[User talk:RobbieIanMorrison|talk]]) 19:27, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
::Thanks! [[User:Dr. Züm|Dr. Züm]] ([[User talk:Dr. Züm|talk]]) 19:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
:::Overarching guidance is given by [[WP:LOGOS]] with additional background in the essay [[Wikipedia:Logo Copyright/Trademark]].  Noting also that trademark protection may apply in addition to copyright — although perhaps not in your example?  There are more specific practice recommendations under [[WP:NFCC]].  But there is no explicit recommendation regarding [[raster graphics|bitmap]] resolution although I{{nbsp}}would guess 300{{nnbsp}}px wide would suffice for your purposes and also meet Wikipedia guidelines?  You should also include the bitmap only once in an article.  In short, you need to align with the various valid rationales for non{{nbhyph}}free{{nbhyph}}use.  And like many things on Wikipedia, some judgment on interpreting that advice will be required.  HTH, [[User:RobbieIanMorrison|RobbieIanMorrison]] ([[User talk:RobbieIanMorrison|talk]]) 05:03, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

== Stale draft article needs deleting ==

Could someone delete this '''stale draft''' article: [[Draft:HiGHS]].  The '''actual article''' has just gone live here: [[HiGHS optimization solver]].  Thanks in advance, [[User:RobbieIanMorrison|RobbieIanMorrison]] ([[User talk:RobbieIanMorrison|talk]]) 19:21, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
:{{u|RobbieIanMorrison}}, why did you copy and paste someone else's draft into the article space? [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 19:38, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
::{{u|Primefac}}: First up, {{u|Jajhall}} and I have been working cooperatively on this material.  For some reason the draft was forked into a sandbox under my usercode and we worked on it there for some time.  Proper procedure would have been for me to transfer that material to the draft and then on to the wikipedia article space.  That did not happen.  Therefore my original request should stand.  This is all completely amicable and collegial but perhaps not strictly correct in terms of procedure?  There is no "someone else's draft".  [[User:RobbieIanMorrison|RobbieIanMorrison]] ([[User talk:RobbieIanMorrison|talk]]) 20:03, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
:::If you have been working with someone else, then by definition it ''is'' "someone else's draft", at least in part. [[WP:COPYWITHIN]] details why the copy/paste is problematic, and now that I know that there's a ''third'' page I will see about cleaning things up. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 20:13, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
::::Just to note that {{u|Jajhall}} has been editing the new live article and that we have been communicating by email on details.  Thanks for cleaning up (I work with version control, CVS, SVN, and now git, and I know that fixing this kind of stuff is often awkward ).  Sorry.  [[User:RobbieIanMorrison|RobbieIanMorrison]] ([[User talk:RobbieIanMorrison|talk]]) 20:32, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::And to add that I didn't realize the pre‑live version history was important for wikipedia.  Thanks again.  [[User:RobbieIanMorrison|RobbieIanMorrison]] ([[User talk:RobbieIanMorrison|talk]]) 20:35, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
::::::{{u|Primefac}}, I see that [[Draft:HiGHS]] now redirects to [[HiGHS optimization solver]] and I guess you fixed this.  Much appreciated.  [[User:RobbieIanMorrison|RobbieIanMorrison]] ([[User talk:RobbieIanMorrison|talk]]) 04:34, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::::{{u|Primefac}}, I have noticed all the other work you have done.  The target article now has a full history.  Again, much appreciated and my apologies for being so derelict.  [[User:RobbieIanMorrison|RobbieIanMorrison]] ([[User talk:RobbieIanMorrison|talk]]) 07:14, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
::::::::No worries, one can't be expected to know ''every'' rule on Wikipedia! [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 08:20, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::::::{{done}} by {{u|Primefac}} {{mdash}} [[User:RobbieIanMorrison|RobbieIanMorrison]] ([[User talk:RobbieIanMorrison|talk]]) 12:00, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

== Edit Bonaparte family tree ==

Hi,

i have found a mistake in the [[Template:Family tree of Bonaparte]], that links to the [[House of Bonaparte]] page. I tried to fix it myself but i dont seem able to edit the family tree with the visual editor and i do not understand the syntax of the source code. The mistake in the family tree is that Napoleon V Victor (1862-1926) and his two siblings are the children of Napoleon Bonaparte (1822-1891) and not the latters sister Mathilde Bonaparte (1820-1904).

I would be very grateful if somebody would be able to help me.

Thank you. [[User:Joseph70Duty|Joseph70Duty]] ([[User talk:Joseph70Duty|talk]]) 19:55, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

:{{done}} - [[User:R. S. Shaw|R. S. Shaw]] ([[User talk:R. S. Shaw|talk]]) 01:59, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

== Compressed help desk text ==

why is the help desk text compressed on the left of the screen? [[User:Downsize43|Downsize43]] ([[User talk:Downsize43|talk]]) 22:39, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
:{{ping|Downsize43}} It's not for me. Try to [[WP:BYPASS|bypass your cache]]. Use {{keypress|Ctrl|F5}} in most Windows brosers, not F5 alone. If it still happens then does it happen when you log out? [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 22:49, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
::The code under the heading [[#Post-expand include size]] might be causing it. While it doesn't compress anything for me, it does allow me to scroll right quite a bit, so maybe some browsers try to zoom out to show the full width. [[User:WelpThatWorked|WelpThatWorked]] ([[User talk:WelpThatWorked|talk]]) 00:21, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
:::It was archived [[Special:Permalink/1099680655#Post-expand include size|here]]. The text wraps for me in Firefox without making long lines but I see Edge and Chrome are different. I have added <code>word-wrap: break-word;</code>.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2022_July_17&diff=1099757479&oldid=1099680655] Does it look normal [[Special:Permalink/1099757479#Post-expand include size|now]]? [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 12:31, 22 July 2022 (UTC)