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= April 8 =

== Negative information ==

Hi,
This is in reference to the information on your website about 'Yadav' community. It has a lot of negative sense attached to ut when explaining the history abd important personnel belonging to it. 'Krishna' is considered as one of the gods who played an important role in our history. He is mentioned to be a mere cow herder. Just read about everything. If not in favour of it should be neutral to any reader. They were kshatriyas from beginning as you can read from the following explaination. They were "lowered down to kshatriyas, still your site explains against it. I think its a biased explaination by person who has tgeir own perspective or is just a person affect ed by stereotyping.
"During the Mahabharata times the Yadavs were the Kshatriya descendants of Yadu, the eldest son of King Yayati of Khandavaprastha. Owing to certain circumstances, Yayati forbade his son Yadu from becoming the king, and nominated his youngest son Kuru to rule the Kingdom instead. This excluded the Yadu descendants from calling themselves as Kings and lowered their status amongst the Kshatriyas.

Of Yadu's sons there was one called Vrishni, whose descendant was Vasudeva, whose son is known as Lord Krishna Vasudeva( the founder/ king of Dwaraka). Technically the Yadavs were chieftains but not proper kings, not even Ugrasena of Mathura, Krishna's maternal grandfather. 

While the Yadava descendants were not considered as kings by the others, the yadavas had marriage alliances with a lot of Kshatriya families. Kunti, Krishna's aunt was married to the Kaurava King Pandu; Krishna was married to Princess Rukmini; Krishna's uncle Kamsa was married to the princesses of Magadha, the daughters of Jarasandh"

Thanks  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/142.112.13.76|142.112.13.76]] ([[User talk:142.112.13.76#top|talk]]) 05:21, 8 April 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:The proper place to discuss this is on the talk page [[Talk:Yadav]]. The passage you are objecting to is clearly marked as the view of one scholar, from an article in ''Contributions to Indian Sociology''. You are welcome to suggest edits as long as they are backed by reliable published sources. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 09:58, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

== How to put in a removal proposal for a redirect? ==

Yesterday I created the article about the [[Nokia 7 Plus]]. However, there is still a redirect from [[Nokia 7 plus]] (note the small p!) to [[HMD Global#Products]]. Now that a separate article exists, how can I request removal of the redirect? Thanks. [[User:Jumpbackupagain|Jumpbackupagain]] ([[User talk:Jumpbackupagain|talk]]) 06:42, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

:Why not just redirect it to your article? [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 06:53, 8 April 2018 (UTC)


== Wikipedia user regularly nominates multiple articles for deletion, therefore opening numerous single discussions ==
A wikipedia author (I prefer not to mention his/her name) regularly requests numerous articles to be deleted, providing they are not notable enough. I left a friendly message on the talk page which was instantly deleted by the user. I know that the user has a history of edit wars with many other users. 
What can I do? Thank you. [[User:Stephreef|Stephreef]] ([[User talk:Stephreef|talk]]) 08:08, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
:Well {{u|Stephreef}}, you've informed them, they've removed your message, which means they've read it. Give them time to correct their course. And then, again attempt to communicate with them if the issue continues (assuming there was an issue in the first place; I do notice that at least one of the recent AfDs, where you and they have commented, seems perfectly fine).  Nevertheless, if you feel that in the future any editor continues disruptive nominations and doesn't respond despite multiple attempts to converse with them, you can open up a discussion at ANI. Or come back here for more guidance. Warmly, [[User talk:Lourdes|<span style="font-family: Papyrus; background: aqua; color:black">'''Lourdes'''</span>]] 13:54, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

==How to adjust a picture in an automatic infobox?==
Hi! This is actually a Basque WP query ([[w:eu:Finnian_Clonardekoa|on this article]]), but I should think it works the same for EN WP, except for the name of the image parameter (= irudia). How can I adjust an oversized image in the infobox to a regular size [https://eu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Finnian_Clonardekoa&action=edit when using automatic infobox]? I know a pipe (|) added inside the automatic infobox can add valid parameters, but I have not managed to adjust the size so far. Thank you [[User:Iñaki LL|Iñaki LL]] ([[User talk:Iñaki LL|talk]]) 08:45, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
:The used infobox template [[:eu:Txantiloi:Biografia infotaula automatikoa]] sets the width to 260px with no option to change it. You can add an optional <code>|image_size=</code> parameter (or whatever it's called in Basque) by changing the first three <code>260px</code> to <code><nowiki>{{{image_size|260px}}}</nowiki></code>. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 10:37, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
::[https://eu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Txantiloi:Biografia_infotaula_automatikoa&action=edit I tested that], but no effect so far. I do not know either how to convert EN parameters to EU. [[User:Iñaki LL|Iñaki LL]] ([[User talk:Iñaki LL|talk]]) 11:01, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Iñaki LL}} All you did was change 260px to 220px. Enter my code exactly as displayed here, or with ''any'' translation of <code>image_size</code>. The name only has to match between the infobox template and the call in the article, e.g. <code><nowiki>{{Biografia infotaula automatikoa|image_size=150px}}</nowiki></code>. The template is semi-protected so I cannot fix it myself. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 11:22, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
:::{{ec}}
:::Where you changed 260 to 220, this:
::::<code><nowiki>{{{irudiaren_tamaina|220}}}</nowiki></code> – I put 'image size' into google translate and got {{lang|eu|irudiaren tamaina}} so that may not be quite right
:::like this:
::::<code><nowiki>[[Fitxategi:{{{irudia}}}|220px]]</nowiki></code> → <code><nowiki>[[Fitxategi:{{{irudia}}}|{{{irudiaren_tamaina|220}}}px]]</nowiki></code>
:::repeat for the other two.  Then:
::::<code><nowiki>{{Biografia infotaula automatikoa|irudiaren_tamaina=150px}}</nowiki></code>
:::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 11:28, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::I think I tried both ways, as you {{u|PrimeHunter}} and you {{u|Trappist the monk}} explained, [https://eu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Txantiloi:Biografia_infotaula_automatikoa&diff=6192053&oldid=6191992&diffmode=source see this], still I did not see a result. I may have been clumsy, as I am indeed on syntax stuff, but how is the association between the eu expression "irudiaren tamaina" and the parameter "image size" done? I added <code><nowiki>{{{irudiaren_tamaina|220}}}px]]</nowiki></code> and modified [https://eu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Finnian_Clonardekoa&diff=6192060&oldid=6192009&diffmode=source the picture's size] in the target article, but did not deliver. [[User:Iñaki LL|Iñaki LL]] ([[User talk:Iñaki LL|talk]]) 14:44, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
::::::{{ping|Iñaki LL}} I see your template edit was reverted, maybe because you caused confusion by writing <code>irudiaren_tamaina</code> in the template but <code>irudiaren tamaina</code> in the documentation and article. Spaces and underscores cannot be switched in parameter names so the article failed to change the size even before the template was reverted. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 14:49, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::::It may have been reverted due to also reducing all image sizes from 260 to 220. [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|pingó mió]]) 14:52, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
::::::In the template you put "irudiaren_tamaina" (with an underscore), in the article "irudiaren tamaina"; I think all should be fixed now? [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|pingó mió]]) 14:52, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::::O, it was reverted because the administrator thinks according to the explanation page I changed myself (I think I added it on the wrong page) that I had an option to just add "irudiaren tamaina" on the target article, and it is not exactly that, right? Will remove the underscores on the template and see how it goes. [[User:Iñaki LL|Iñaki LL]] ([[User talk:Iñaki LL|talk]]) 15:03, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Ah. {{u|Iñaki LL}} already did that (removing underscores), like I said, everything should be fixed; the article looks correct [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|pingó mió]]) 15:04, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::{{u|Galobtter}} The thing is that, despite my <code><nowiki>{{{irudiaren_tamaina|220}}}px]]</nowiki></code> copy-paste above, '''it does not have underscores''', [https://eu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Txantiloi:Biografia_infotaula_automatikoa&action=edit see here], so both [https://eu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Finnian_Clonardekoa&action=edit the target article] and the template show the same parameters with the same spelling as far as my understanding goes, but no change in the picture. [[User:Iñaki LL|Iñaki LL]] ([[User talk:Iñaki LL|talk]]) 15:15, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::As far as I can see, the image is indeed smaller as you'd like it to be; both places don't have underscores and it works. [[User:Galobtter|Galobtter]] ([[User talk:Galobtter|pingó mió]]) 15:22, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::Good, actually, it seems to work now! Maybe there has been some confusion with the timing of the messages. The help is so appreciated! [[User:Iñaki LL|Iñaki LL]] ([[User talk:Iñaki LL|talk]]) 15:24, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::{{ec}}
::::::::::Because two editors have removed the underscores.  See the [https://eu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Txantiloi:Biografia_infotaula_automatikoa&action=history edit history].  You might want to change {{para|image2}} to use {{para|irudiaren tamaina2}}.
::::::::::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 15:25, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

== Links to Google drive, office.live, etc ==
* {{LinkSummary|drive.google.com}}
* {{LinkSummary|office.live.com}}

I can't find anything dealing specifically with such links, but it seems obvious that they are rarely if ever a good idea. There's no reason to think they will be stable, they aren't archived, and they may contain copyvio. I've found an editor adding them and my last removal was reverted, but I don't know what policy or guideline I can quote. One example is [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Epander&diff=prev&oldid=829960330]] this where the editor changed an old office.live link he'd added to a Google drive one. {{re|Hoary|Beetstra}} I found you two discussing the general issue, any comments? Thanks. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 12:30, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
:{{rto|Doug Weller}} I would think [[WP:ELNO]] #16 - not expected to stay stable.  I am indeed also not sure whether this is good material to link to, that document could be anything, contain anything and vandalism of the link is only detectable by following it and looking at the (possibly compromised) material.  I wonder if you could even host a re-directing document ([[WP:ELNEVER]]) on this.  I guess this would be a good question on [[WT:EL]].  I've never given it much thought, but I would not be opposed to blanket blacklisting this.  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 12:38, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
::{{re|Beetstra}} Thanks, but I decided not to go to EL because it's used as a source at times[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Canadair_CP-107_Argus&action=edit#editform] making it a more general question. Office.live.com has a few uses as a source.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=http%3A%2F%2F*.office.live.com&title=Special%3ALinkSearch] [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 12:47, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
:::{{rto|Doug Weller}} I reacted because of the example you gave, where it is EL(-like).  I do however think that as a reference it suffers the same type of problem (with a part of them possibly being copyvio material).  And as a reference, they have the same problem as ELs - being unstable and possibly false bait ([[WP:REFSPAM]]-like).  --[[User:Beetstra|Dirk Beetstra]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">T</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Beetstra|<span style="color:#0000FF;">C</span>]]</sup> 14:02, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
:In general, a bad idea, for the reasons given above. However, I can imagine worthwhile links. There are blogs worth taking seriously -- say, the blogs run personally by environmental scientists, snake oil debunkers, etc. The hosting services for these blogs may not allow files, or anyway files of greater than this or that size (etc). The blog may therefore link to a spreadsheet, PDF or other file; and an article might therefore link to it ... though it would probably be better off linking to the blog post. -- [[User:Hoary|Hoary]] ([[User talk:Hoary|talk]]) 01:20, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

== Categories, e.g. American botanists - "from/active in" ==

Would [[John Carey (botanist)]] be classified under both "Category:19th-century American botanists" and "Category:19th-century British botanists"? These types of categories are described as, e.g., "botanists from/active in the United States." He was from London but primarily botanized in the US. --14:05, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[[User:Chickenflicker|Chickenflicker]] ([[User talk:Chickenflicker|talk]])

==Template: 2018–19 NHL season by team==
Can you put the 2018-19 NHL season by team template move it from red to blue do it now please. [[Special:Contributions/2600:8803:7A00:976A:28C0:2BD4:ED5A:7F36|2600:8803:7A00:976A:28C0:2BD4:ED5A:7F36]] ([[User talk:2600:8803:7A00:976A:28C0:2BD4:ED5A:7F36|talk]]) 14:30, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Why Haven't you Answered me since this morning. [[Special:Contributions/68.102.39.189|68.102.39.189]] ([[User talk:68.102.39.189|talk]]) 02:26, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

== Sandra Orlow ==

http://celebridadesfemeninas.blogspot.it/2015/07/sandra-orlow-es-de-las-que-tiene-una.html?m=1

How old are? --[[Special:Contributions/151.49.116.0|151.49.116.0]] ([[User talk:151.49.116.0|talk]]) 14:36, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

== inter wikis categories. ==

Hi,

Please, could someone clearly (I'm not a native English speaker) explain to me how to create links to other wiki categories such as [[:en:Category:People from Argentan]] to [[:fr:Catégorie:Naissance à Argentan]]? and many, many other categories (I've met hundreds in this case). The fr. Wiki does it automatically which doesn't seem the case here. Thanks in advance for your help. [[User:LouisAlain|LouisAlain]] ([[User talk:LouisAlain|talk]]) 14:40, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
: Read [[WP:WIKIDATA]]. [[Special:Contributions/91.124.117.29|91.124.117.29]] ([[User talk:91.124.117.29|talk]]) 20:50, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
::[[User:LouisAlain|LouisAlain]], you can do it just like you do it on articles. See [[Help:Interlanguage links]].
::For the particular case of ''Naissance à Argentan'', there are some links in French, and some other links in English, so you'll have to merge them. Instructions for merging appear at [[Help:Interlanguage links]], too. --[[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 13:15, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you both, I'll see how I can manage the situation. [[User:LouisAlain|LouisAlain]] ([[User talk:LouisAlain|talk]]) 15:54, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

== Stuck in Source Edit ==

I was just trying out the various editing features in my sandbox–I'm new–and for some odd reason, my editing window is not allowing my to switch back to Visual edit mode. I'm not sure if this is a common issue, but what can I do to re-enable the visual edit option?
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:{{ping|Bwrite New Mind}} It may depend on your browser and settings but the source editor usually has a pencil icon at the top right of the edit box to switch to VisualEditor. It's only there in namespaces where VisualEditor works, e.g. articles and user sandboxes. At [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing]] you can choose which edit links to display on pages but the pencil icon should not depend on preferences. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 14:55, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

== Cant work out how to login to wp from a mobile ==

I am user:Penbat and cannot work out how to login to wikipedia from my Samsung Galaxy S8 and then to check my watchlist. I cannot find a login or logoff option anywhere. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Penbat|Penbat]] ([[User talk:Penbat#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Penbat|contribs]]) </small>
:{{ping|Penbat }} If you use the mobile version of the website then look for a menu icon with three horizontal lines at the top left. Such an icon is a menu in many sites. You can also try using the desktop version of the site by clicking "Desktop" at the bottom, but it may be poorly suited to a small screen. If you use an Android app for Wikipedia then I don't know how it works or whether it implements login. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 18:00, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

== Autosomal Dominant Disorders Page ==

Under the list of Autosomal Dominant Disorders, Achondroplasia should be added as well.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.214.170.60|24.214.170.60]] ([[User talk:24.214.170.60#top|talk]]) 17:34, 8 April 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*Thanks for letting us know. In general, you are free to edit the article yourself. If you are not comfortable doing that or if there is any liklihood that hte edit is controversial, it's best to make this sort of suggestion on the article's talk page instead. Also in general, you need to supply a "reliable source" (see [[WP:RS]]). In a case like this (adding an article link to an article that is a list) this may not be strictly necessary. -[[User:Arch dude|Arch dude]] ([[User talk:Arch dude|talk]]) 18:14, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

== Help about table editing stuff ==

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_iOS_devices&oldid=833751819#Apple_Watch This] revision of the Apple Watch comparison has the back, screen, case and band with materials in one column yet separated, while the [[List of iOS devices#Apple Watch|latest]] revision separates the back, screen ,case, and band separated from materials (can't explain it properly so sorry if you don't understand, I think you'll see it). Please tell me, how do I fix it? Thank you in advance. [[User:Itsquietuptown|<span style="background-color:#E5E4E2;color: black">'''''ITSQUIETUPTOWN'''''</span>]]  <span style="font-size:88%">[[User talk:Itsquietuptown|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Itsquietuptown|contribs]]</span> 17:48, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

== Content Relating to Nicole Lapin ==

Good morning:

On behalf of Ms. Nicole Lapin, and after exhausting all viable inquiries into this matter, I wanted to reach out for some guidance.

A section titled "Controversy" on Ms. Lapin's page seems to have received quite a bit of attention.  Ms. Lapin consulted with me just a few short days ago and I had no previous knowledge of the history of this section (and the edits made) until I was guided by user ToBeFree.  User ToBeFree has suggested that I include the following links to provide the proper history of this matter:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nicole_Lapin#Controversy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ToBeFree#Nicole_Lapin:_Controversy

Despite ToBeFree's decision to remove the content after our discussion, two specific users have since been very insistent on re-adding the information to Ms. Lapin's page.

Notably, the user posting under a numeric IP address (linked to Lanigan & Associates PC) has had at least a 3-month history with Ms. Lapin's page.  We kindly request your guidance on whether this user's insight, in light of the extensive history, can be considered objective.  Indeed, after the other user Blackbelt whitetails decided to move the content under another header most recently, it seems the numeric IP user restored the information under "Controversy."

We kindly request that this matter is looked into.

Thank you in advance for your time and cooperation.

Most respectfully,

Eyal Aharonov, Esq.  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Aharonovlaw|Aharonovlaw]] ([[User talk:Aharonovlaw#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aharonovlaw|contribs]]) 18:44, 8 April 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:{{U|Aharonovlaw}} This matter is now being discussed at [[Talk:Nicole Lapin#Further discussion of controversy section]] which is the proper place. There is sourced mention of Lapin in at least two NY Times articles on the subject, no matter who brings the matter up.
:Also, on your talk page you refer to Lapin as your "client". Please promptly disclose this and any other paid editing relationship in accord with [[WP:PAID]] which is mandatory for any editor being paid for edits on Wikipedia, including help desk posts. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|<sup>(talk)</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/DESiegel|<sub>DESiegel Contribs</sub>]] 21:13, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

== Deleted Wikipedia Page ==

Hi, this is regarding a deleted wikipedia page by the name of [[Chakresh Kumar]]. I tried to republish it but the page was deleted again. Please provide me the info on how I can republish the same page without any issue. I am a new editor here on wikipedia and trying to learn the rules here. [[User:Sanjeev22mannan|Sanjeev22mannan]] ([[User talk:Sanjeev22mannan|talk]]) 19:17, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

:Hello, {{U|Sanjeev22mannan}}. [[Chakresh Kumar]] was deleted after a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chakresh Kumar]] on 14 March 2018. It was deletd for lack of [[WP:N|notability]], not fulfilling the criteria at [[WP:NBIO|our guideline on biographies]], nor the [[WP:GNG|general notability guideline]], and for being [[WP:SPAM|too promotional]]. If you have additional information and sources which you think could establish the notability of Kumar, you could ask for permission to recreate this article at [[WP:DRV|deletion review]]. But befote asking, please read [[WP:42|Wikipedia's Golden Rule]] and the guidelines linked above. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|<sup>(talk)</sup>]][[Special:Contributions/DESiegel|<sub>DESiegel Contribs</sub>]] 19:51, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

== Totals in the tables ==

* Could the wiki software compute totals in the tables automatically? It would be very useful tools in many articles (such as sports medal tables and statistics pages). [[Special:Contributions/91.124.117.29|91.124.117.29]] ([[User talk:91.124.117.29|talk]]) 20:47, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
:There is no software feature for this unless the whole table is generated by a template designed for tables of exactly that type, with all numbers as parameters. Making such templates is much harder than manually computing a total, and calling the template would often be harder than making the table. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 21:24, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
:: Thank you for answer. A manual work is a reason for errors in totals and regular additional work on updating, so the question arose. [[Special:Contributions/91.124.117.29|91.124.117.29]] ([[User talk:91.124.117.29|talk]]) 21:49, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
* Some tables can be copied from the displayed page (not the editable wikimarkup) into a spreadsheet program. You can then quickly sum a column. -[[User:Arch dude|Arch dude]] ([[User talk:Arch dude|talk]]) 04:04, 9 April 2018 (UTC)