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= November 9 =

== Help fighting the dispute on my page. ==

I created the page on General Michael D Healy. There is a NPOV dispute on my page and several if not all of my pictures were removed. I have adjusted the inconsistencies that were noted on the talk page but the dispute is still there. As for the pictures, they belong to my family. My husband is General Healy's grandson and namesake. I have every right to post the pictures and need help replacing them please.
Please help me, this page means a lot to my family and to the General himself.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Doodledorf|Doodledorf]] ([[User talk:Doodledorf|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Doodledorf|contribs]]) 02:27, 9 November 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I have not looked at the page, and am not intending to get involved in the dispute. But for me alarm bells ring when you say "this page means a lot to my family and to the General himself". I understand that you might have these feelings, but they have no place in Wikipedia, which is for recording information which has already been published elsewhere, and not a platform either for promotion or for celebration of anybody or anything. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 09:07, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
::Please read [[WP:OWN]] and understand that the article you started is not "your page" at all.  Other users are quite entitled to edit it and to point out inconsistencies, and you have no special rights over the content.  Having read the article I would say that it needs far more sources to support what is largely unsourced material, particularly since this is the [[WP:BLP|biography of a living person]].  As for the images, copyright is a complicated area.  Did you or someone in your family actually take them?    You may have "every right" to upload them if you do hold the copyright, but you need to license and tag them appropriately, otherwise they cannot be accepted.  Bear in mind that if you do own the copyright to these images and you upload them under an acceptable license, you are granting total strangers the right to reuse them provided they comply with the terms of the license.  You need to be very careful about what license you select.  There is more information at [[Wikipedia:Uploading images]]. [[User:Karenjc|<span style="color:red;">Ka</span>]][[User_talk:Karenjc|renjc]] 20:26, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
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== Vandal Recently Changed our Company's Wikipedia Page Repeatedly ==

Hello,

In this article, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceTime_(software), about the software product called SpaceTime which is both patented and trademarked, the most recent editor of the article changed the trademark name of the article "SpaceTime" to " (also known as SpaceTime3D)" which is a way to confuse the public about the actual name of the software and its well deserved trademark.  For some reason, each time in the edit review history that the name was changed to the actual product name of "SpaceTime" one of the editors changed it back again to " (also known as SpaceTime3D) "

You can view the actual issued mark here: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4002:9c0iub.2.1

In addition, the software application "SpaceTime" in an older revision said is a "three dimensional graphical user interface that allows end users to search their content such as Google, Google Images, Yahoo!, YouTube, eBay, Amazon and RSS. The 3D Search system allows end users to visually search through the actual web pages, videos, products, RSS or other items in a three dimensional visual stack."  The current edit on the page is attempting to limit the scope of the actual working product by saying SpaceTime is a " 3D graphical user interface that displays web pages in a 3d tabbed stack." when in fact it displays a lot more than web pages such as images, videos, products, RSS and more in a 3D stack.

There have been several attempts to place the "patented" word in the Wikipedia description as you can validate from the proof of the actual issued patent: http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=UHfRAAAAEBAJ&dq=bakhash

In addition, the last editor of the Wikipedia page decided to show the product  in the worst light possible by referencing an unknown blogger with no respectable reputation as follows:

"The beta browser received mixed reviews. Rich Menga of PC Mech described how "thoroughly disgusted" he was with "any product that takes already-fast things that everyone does on the internet and tries to '3D-ize' them."[10] Jack M. Germain, of TechNewsWorld described how "SpaceTime delivers on its promise to save me time and provide a revolutionary online searching too" stating that "while I continue to use the 3-D searching environment, though, I am having more fun than I should at work."[7] Edward N. Albro of PCWorld gave the beta browser a 2.5/5 stating that while its "visual results can make searches easier", that "for basic browsing, SpaceTime has no appeal" and that the browser was too "buggy and slow for basic browsing".[11]"

When in fact, the world's most reputable technology reviewer and his team, Walter Mossberg of The Wall Street Journal gave the product rave reviews by saying: SpaceTime and "Visual Search can save time and turn searching into a fun process."

You can read The Wall Street Journal Article here:  http://solution.allthingsd.com/20080326/testing-souped-up-search-functions/

We ask the good community of Wikipedia to stop this editor from desecrating the work of an honest hard working software team that brought a useful product to the technology community through a hard-earned patent, trademark and product.

We are wondering why the recent editor is changing the article in a negative light that does [not] represent the facts.

Thank you.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ez3d|Ez3d]] ([[User talk:Ez3d|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ez3d|contribs]]) 02:40, 9 November 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:When there is a dispute over content normally the first step in Wikipedia's [[WP:Dispute resolution|Dispute resolution]] process is to discuss the matter with the other party, either on the article's talk page or directly on the other user's talk page. If you have not yet done this please do so. -- [[User:OlEnglish|<span style="font-size:x-large;">&oelig;</span>]][[User talk:OlEnglish|<sup>&trade;</sup>]] 11:17, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
::What we have is a misunderstanding. The editor (me) is not trying to portray the article in a negative light. Rather, I am trying to maintain a [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|nuetral point of view]]. When the article reads "The beta browser received mixed reviews", this is not intended to malign the product, but rather to put forth the reception section in a [[wp:balance|balanced]] way. On Wikipedia, we use [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] to reference our statements. If you the source used in a citation is not reliable, then the statement and citation may be removed. We don't generally indicate whether software is patented/trademarked (for example see [[Windows XP]]), I've added it in as a note. I've also opened a thread at [[Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#PC_Mech_and_TechNewsWorld]] to determine whether the sources I used were reliable. You may view the page's history [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=SpaceTime_(software)&action=history here] (or by clicking the view history tab of the article]. You may view the article's talk page at [[Talk:SpaceTime_(software)]] (or by hitting the Discussion tab). I've worked with [[User:Mabdul]] to expand several other browser articles including [[Cello (web browser)]], [[Arena (web browser)]], and others. I hope you don't view my edits as vandalism following this explanation. If you have any further questions, please feel free to post them here, to the article's talk page at [[Talk:SpaceTime_(software)]] or at my talk page at [[User talk:Smallman12q]]. [[User:Smallman12q|Smallman12q]] ([[User talk:Smallman12q|talk]]) 02:03, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

== Images ==

I'm really confused on adding images of album and single covers. I've seen dozens of covers use the "This image is of a cover of an audio recording" for their fair-use rationale and nothing happens to them. But then every once in a while a cover using that will be tagged. Why is this? Why can one be on the site for close to five years and be fine but then one gets added this year and gets tagged? --[[User:ShadowRanger|Shadow]] ([[User talk:ShadowRanger|talk]]) 06:03, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

:The image file page needs BOTH a copyright notice AND a fair-use rationale.  If you don't have both, then the file can be tagged for deletion.  The answer to how something which needs to be deleted but doesn't get deleted for five years is that no one noticed for five years.  Wikipedia is a big place, and every once in a while, something gets lost.  --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#000099;">Jayron</span>]]'''''[[User talk:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009900;">32</span>]]''''' 06:08, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

== moving an artical from he.wikipedia.org to en.wikipedia.org ==

Shalom

I want to move the artical about the sculptress-artist Zahra Rubin from he.wikipedia.org to en.wikipedia.org.

Although I was in charge of publishing the Hebrew version it turn to be impossible for me to do it withut the help of several veterans that volunteers to help me.

I found that it will be very difficult for me to issue the English version, by myself, although I have all the needed texts in English.

Where should I turn to ask for help of that sort?

Eagerly anticipating for responses to my question

Dani

P.S. To see the Hebrew version you can can copy and paste the folowing URL:
http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/זהרה_רובין  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rubindani|Rubindani]] ([[User talk:Rubindani|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Rubindani|contribs]]) 09:21, 9 November 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:I'm sorry I can't be of more direct assistance in this regard as I'm inexperienced in [[WP:Transwiki|transwiki]] areas, but I can direct you to some help pages that may help guide you.. [[Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia#Translating from other language Wikimedia Projects]] is important to read first to learn about attribution, because it looks like that Hebrew article has other contributors. [[Help:Import]] describes the process of importing text from other Wikipedias but I believe you need to have the [[Wikipedia:Importers|Importer flag]]. [[Wikipedia:Translation]] has other resources and links that may be of use to you. Hope this helps in some way. -- [[User:OlEnglish|<span style="font-size:x-large;">&oelig;</span>]][[User talk:OlEnglish|<sup>&trade;</sup>]] 10:56, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

First - THX, THX a LOT!

I still feel & think that I need some one that will "take my hand" and admit me in and guide till through the sand box and to the the first public page. So - still waiting

D.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rubindani|Rubindani]] ([[User talk:Rubindani|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Rubindani|contribs]]) 16:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

I imported the English translation of the Hebrew artical a.m. at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zahara_Rubin

Can anyone help me to arrange it to have a "decent looking" similar to the Hebrew artical?  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rubindani|Rubindani]] ([[User talk:Rubindani|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Rubindani|contribs]]) 13:42, 10 November 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:I will take a look at it in a moment.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 13:54, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

::{{Done}}. I have edited the article to comply with the [[WP:MOSBIO|manual of style for biographies]]. A couple of points: you will have to find some more references to support notability, hence the tag at the top, and some of the arty-farty claptrap in the second career paragraph will have to be edited to be more encyclopedic (or removed). I also removed some material completely and copied it to the article's talk page in case someone else finds it useful.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 14:13, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

==Fallout Characters page==
Is there a page with a list of the characters from the fallout series. I'm looking to make one if there isn't however I want to make sure there isn't one before I do.  --[[User:MagnusWolfEikrem|MagnusWolfEikrem]] ([[User talk:MagnusWolfEikrem|talk]]) 09:41, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
:[[File:Symbol move vote.svg|20px]] Have you tried Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Reference desk|Reference Desk]]? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps.<!-- Template:RD1 --> -- [[User:OlEnglish|<span style="font-size:x-large;">&oelig;</span>]][[User talk:OlEnglish|<sup>&trade;</sup>]] 10:46, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
::I don't see why you're being sent to the Reference Desk since your question seems to deal specifically with Wikipedia.  Anyway, there doesn't seem to be a list of characters article linked from [[:Category:Fallout series]] or the template {{tl|Fallout series}}.  <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:25, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh, sorry. I was always under the impression that the Reference desk, in addition to answering general knowledge questions, aids readers in finding information on Wikipedia, such as certain articles and lists. -- [[User:OlEnglish|<span style="font-size:x-large;">&oelig;</span>]][[User talk:OlEnglish|<sup>&trade;</sup>]] 11:32, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
::::We do that there, yes.  But the addition of the willingness of this editor to create an article if one doesn't exist seems more of a help desk issue to me.  <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:54, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yes, of course you're right. This user's question is just as valid here as on the reference desk. I could've been more helpful instead of jumping the gun and templating. My apologies to you MagnusWolfEikrem. -- [[User:OlEnglish|<span style="font-size:x-large;">&oelig;</span>]][[User talk:OlEnglish|<sup>&trade;</sup>]] 11:58, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
::::::And I believe we've been remiss in not pointing out [[Wikipedia:Your first article]] to Magnus.  <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:21, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::::He should also read [[WP:Stand-alone lists]]. --[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 18:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

==The Missing manual - Chapter 2 - broken link==

In the Advanced Citations Techniques, Automated Citation Tools section, there is a link to http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~ms609/Wiki/Scholar that returns a 404.  Is this a broken link? Thanks. [[User:markdask|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#00AA11;">'''Mark'''</span>]]<small>[[User talk:markdask|<sup>'''Dask'''</sup>]]</small> 12:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

:It certainly seems to be! At [[Wikipedia:Citation tools]] there is a description of a similar [http://toolserver.org/~verisimilus/Scholar/ tool], so I will shortly be updating the [[Help:Wikipedia: The Missing Manual/Editing, Creating, and Maintaining Articles/Documenting Your Sources#Automated Citation Tools|'Missing Manual' page]]. -- [[User:John of Reading|John of Reading]] ([[User talk:John of Reading|talk]]) 13:20, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks John. [[User:markdask|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:#00AA11;">'''Mark'''</span>]]<small>[[User talk:markdask|<sup>'''Dask'''</sup>]]</small> 14:13, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

== Proceed from work-in-progress to Live ==

I have completed my article in a Work-in-Progress environment, but I would now like to place it on Wikipedia live. I do not seem to be able to find the Step PLan showing me what to do next. What are the simple steps I should follow? Can I proceed to Live from my work-in-progress environment? I have only been a registered user for about 2 days.[[User:DrSchaub|DrSchaub]] ([[User talk:DrSchaub|talk]]) 13:03, 9 November 2010 (UTC) 
Regards
DrSchaub

:The process would be to [[WP:MOVE]] the page.  Your account is too new to perform this, so I will do it for you...  <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:11, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

:[[WP:SYMUD]] is a useful read.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 14:23, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

== Hearing Aids Page ==

I keep adding a link to our website buyahearingaid.com which is completely unbiased collection of unique articles and the most updated and complete database of hearing aid brands and models. And then it is being removed. Please let us know why.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Phdimov|Phdimov]] ([[User talk:Phdimov|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Phdimov|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 November 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:The link was removed by [[User:Orangemike]] and he left a message on [[User talk:Phdimov|your talk page]] about it.  His reasoning has to do with [[WP:EL|our guidelines about the use of external links]].  The best way to get clarification as to what Orangemike feels is wrong with the link is to ask him.  If you'd like, look over the guidelines as well to familiarize yourself with possible reasons why.  <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:08, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
::In particular, please note the wording of the section [[WP:EL#ADV]]: "... you should avoid linking to a site that you own, maintain, or represent—even if WP guidelines seem to imply that it may otherwise be linked. When in doubt, you may go to the talk page and let another editor decide." [[User:Karenjc|<span style="color:red;">Ka</span>]][[User_talk:Karenjc|renjc]] 19:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

== Broken Link ==

What should one do when a broken link is discovered?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.191.97.2|98.191.97.2]] ([[User talk:98.191.97.2|talk]]) 16:52, 9 November 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Assuming you're referring to [[WP:External links|external links]], first thing is to try to repair the link by searching for another copy of the page on some other website by googling the url, or checking the [[Internet Archive]] at http://www.archive.org for an archived copy. If you cannot repair it you should tag the link with the {{tlx|dead link}} template. It is important that you do not delete the link, especially if it's being used for a reference. Read [[Wikipedia:Link rot]] for more information. -- [[User:OlEnglish|<span style="font-size:x-large;">&oelig;</span>]][[User talk:OlEnglish|<sup>&trade;</sup>]] 17:40, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

== cannonball ==
I have an iron cannonball that does not apparently apply to the cannons used during the American Civil War. I did some research on your info site and found a gun chart that reflects a size of ball that better describes a bore, diameter, and weight that seems a better fit for the cannonall. The "Minion" cannon seems to be a fit. My question: Is there a way to verify a British made cannonball (3"dia./ 3lb/10.8oz)located in an old farmhouse in Georgia,USA, and is that a real possibility?. It was very rusty when found,of course.

Any feedback or info appreciated[[Special:Contributions/74.190.113.145|74.190.113.145]] ([[User talk:74.190.113.145|talk]]) 19:22, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
:I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at [[Wikipedia:About|Wikipedia]], the free online encyclopedia that [[Wikipedia:Introduction|anyone can edit]], and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a [[Wikipedia:Reference desk|reference desk]], divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.<!-- Template:Astray --> --[[User:Orangemike|<span style="color:darkorange;">Orange Mike</span>]]  &#x007C;  [[User talk:Orangemike|<span style="color:orange;">Talk</span>]] 19:23, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
::{{ec}} [[File:Symbol_move_vote.svg|20px]] Have you tried the [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/{{#if:Miscellaneous|Miscellaneous|Miscellaneous}}|{{#if:Miscellaneous|Miscellaneous|Miscellaneous}} section]] of Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Reference desk|Reference Desk]]? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using [[Wikipedia]].  For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: <span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:Reference desk/{{#if:Miscellaneous|Miscellaneous|Miscellaneous}}|action=edit&section=new}} '''click here''']</span>. I hope this helps.<!-- Template:RD2 --> [[User:Tnxman307|<span style="color:darkorange;">TN</span>]][[User talk:Tnxman307|<b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b>]][[Special:Contributions/Tnxman307|<span style="color:red;">Man</span>]] 19:24, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

== article content error ==

There was an article on the Peppermill Casino in Reno, Nevada written and posted in Wikipedia and the content is not totally correct as to how it began, owners and money to start the business... How do you post another rendition as to who started the casino and the real story?? Will it be posted by the orginal story or some other place? [[User:Bkchristy|Bkchristy]] ([[User talk:Bkchristy|talk]]) 19:30, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
:You are welcome to edit Wikipedia, but all information you add must be supported by [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] or it is likely to be removed.  Has the story of the casino's origin been published somewhere reliable, and can you [[WP:Citing sources|cite]] that reference?  If so, feel free to change the wording of the article, remembering to source your edit and to keep your contribution [[WP:NPOV|neutral]] and factual.  (Please don't just add an alternative version to the existing story - Wikipedia is intended to be a collection of [[WP:V|verifiable]] facts, not of conflicting opinions.) If your version has ''not'' been published anywhere and is only based on hearsay or personal experience, then it is no more reliable than the current version (which is also unsourced), and adding it would not improve the article.  Your best bet in that case would be to seek sources for the information, and to discuss your proposed changes on the article's talk page in an effort to reach consensus on the best wording. [[User:Karenjc|<span style="color:red;">Ka</span>]][[User_talk:Karenjc|renjc]] 19:53, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

== How to remove an alert ==

How does one remove an alert once it is out of date.
For example, after adding verifiable sources to an article, how does one remove an alert saying that there are no sources?  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bradjersak|Bradjersak]] ([[User talk:Bradjersak|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bradjersak|contribs]]) 21:15, 9 November 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:You do it in the normal way, by editing the text of the article. The alerts are usually right at the top. You may find something like <nowiki>{{BLP unsourced|date=October 2010}}</nowiki> or perhaps a {{tp|Multiple issues}} alert listing several problems and their dates. When you remove the alert, remember to give a clear [[Help:edit summary|edit summary]], and do not mark the edit as [[Help:minor|minor]]. -- [[User:John of Reading|John of Reading]] ([[User talk:John of Reading|talk]]) 21:29, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

== Wikipedia image vs. Commons image ==

I've encountered a problem which I suspect has come up in the past, but after searching the Help namespace both here & on commons, I failed to find the answer. I want to embed [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Eon.jpg this] image from commons into the article [[Eon of Axum]], however if I take the usual steps, I instead get [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Eon.jpg this] fair-use image from Wikipedia. Is there a way to specify the commons file, or do I need to have the Wikipedia file renamed? -- [[User:Llywrch|llywrch]] ([[User talk:Llywrch|talk]]) 21:44, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

:As far as I know the only solution is to have one of the images renamed.&nbsp;–&nbsp;[[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 21:54, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
::I've moved the local image (suppressing the redirect). You should have clear sailing now. Cheers.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]])
::: Thanks! Image added. -- [[User:Llywrch|llywrch]] ([[User talk:Llywrch|talk]]) 17:02, 10 November 2010 (UTC)