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=== March 22 ===
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==== Category:Princes of England ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename''' to [[:Category:English princes]]. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 09:18, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Princes of England]] to [[:Category:English princes]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Rename as [[:Category:English princes]] and make it consistent with [[:Category:English princesses]] (which [[:Category:Princesses of England]] also redirects to), [[:Category:Scottish princes]], [[:Category:Scottish princesses]], [[:Category:Welsh princes]], [[:Category:Welsh princesses]], [[:Category:British princes]], and [[:Category:British princesses]]. <span style="font:'Pristina'">[[user:Keivan.f|<span style="color: #1E7HDC">Keivan.f</span>]]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>[[user_talk:Keivan.f|<span style="color: purple">Talk</span>]]</sup></span> 19:38, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 22:28, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
* '''Support''' for consistency, but I'd rather move all of them to "Princes of" format. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:38, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
*: It cannot be done for Welsh princes/sses, because [[:Category:Princes of Wales]] and [[:Category:Princesses of Wales]] cover English/British royals who held the titles [[Prince of Wales]] and [[Princess of Wales]]. Same is true for [[:Category:Princes of Scotland]] that covers those who held the title [[Prince of Scotland]]. <span style="font:'Pristina'">[[user:Keivan.f|<span style="color: #1E7HDC">Keivan.f</span>]]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>[[user_talk:Keivan.f|<span style="color: purple">Talk</span>]]</sup></span> 12:36, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
::* Fair point, but then in order to contrast to [[:Category:Princes of Wales]], [[:Category:Rulers of principalities in Wales]] would become a lot clearer. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:24, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
:::* Then it would no longer be consistent with [[:Category:Welsh princesses]]. Also, I think it would not be accurate either because people included in those two categories are sons and daughters of Welsh monarchs, not rulers of Wales themselves. The rulers are covered via multiple sub-categories at [[:Category:Welsh monarchs]]. <span style="font:'Pristina'">[[user:Keivan.f|<span style="color: #1E7HDC">Keivan.f</span>]]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>[[user_talk:Keivan.f|<span style="color: purple">Talk</span>]]</sup></span> 17:14, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
:::*:{{ping|Keivan.f}} {{ping|Marcocapelle}} {{ping|Laurel Lodged}} How about a formula like [[:Category:Princes in Wales|Category:Princes '''in''' Wales]] for princes and princesses who weren't reigning as "Prince(ss) of Wales" then? Compare the names of [[:Category:Princes in Europe]], [[:Category:Princes in the British Isles]], and [[:Category:Princes in Rus']]. {{xt|Princes '''in'''}} rather than {{xt|'''of'''}} indicates they weren't reigning ''over'' the whole of the territory in question, but rather had the status of prince or princess ''(with)in'' / ''under'' it (either as a child of the current Prince(ss) of Wales, or as reigning just a portion of Wales, say, Gwynedd or Deheubarth, under the suzerainty of the Principality of Wales). At [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 25#Category:European monarchs]] I have proposed something similar, and Laurel already supported it for that reason. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 02:14, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
:::*:* Sounds like the perfect solution to me. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 04:54, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
:::*:* That could be a solution. A separate discussion covering both [[:Category:Welsh princes]] and [[:Category:Welsh princesses]] would be necessary though. It's better to implement such changes with consensus. <span style="font:'Pristina'">[[user:Keivan.f|<span style="color: #1E7HDC">Keivan.f</span>]]</span><span style="font:'Pristina'"><sup>[[user_talk:Keivan.f|<span style="color: purple">Talk</span>]]</sup></span> 15:54, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
*'''Support''' for consistency, but I'd rather move all of them to "Princes of" format. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 07:56, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
* '''Rename''' for consistency with other British Isles princes. The current name makes it look like they had the title ''Prince of England'', which is unsure. [[User:Place Clichy|Place Clichy]] ([[User talk:Place Clichy|talk]]) 10:56, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
*'''Support'''<br />[[User:William Allen Simpson|William Allen Simpson]] ([[User talk:William Allen Simpson|talk]]) 07:56, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:Children of national leaders of Lebanon ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename''' to [[:Category:Children of presidents of Lebanon]]. [[Tammam Salam]] will be relocated manually. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 09:20, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Children of national leaders of Lebanon]] to [[:Category:Children of presidents of Lebanon]]; '''re-parent''' to [[:Category:Children of presidents]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Per actual category content, these are children of presidents of Lebanon. The only exception is [[Tammam Salam]], son of Lebanese prime minister [[Saeb Salam]], so we can exclude him. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 19:22, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom, and manually move [[Saeb Salam]] to [[:Category:Children of prime ministers]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 22:02, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
*:Surely you mean [[Tammam Salam]], don't you? He's the child. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 09:15, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
*:* Yes, thanks for paying attention. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 07:17, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
*'''Support'''<br />[[User:William Allen Simpson|William Allen Simpson]] ([[User talk:William Allen Simpson|talk]]) 07:54, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:Children of national leaders of France ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename''' to [[:Category:Children of presidents of France]]. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 09:22, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Children of national leaders of France]] to [[:Category:Children of presidents of France]]; '''re-parent''' to [[:Category:Children of presidents]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Per actual category content, these are children of presidents of France. The only exception is [[Jean Ramadier]], son of French premier [[Paul Ramadier]], so we can exclude him. 
:Sidenote: [[Louis-Napoléon, Prince Imperial]] was the son of [[Napoleon III]], who has been both president of France and emperor of the French, but although there is a [[:Category:Illegitimate children of French monarchs]] (including [[:Category:Illegitimate children of Napoleon]] I), Louis-Napoléon was legitimate, and there is no category like "children of French monarchs/emperors" (except for individuals like [[:Category:Children of Louis XVI]]), and maybe we don't need to have one. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 19:12, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom, and manually move [[Jean Ramadier]] to [[:Category:Children of prime ministers]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 22:04, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as nominated and per Marcocapelle.<br />[[User:William Allen Simpson|William Allen Simpson]] ([[User talk:William Allen Simpson|talk]]) 07:53, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:Nudity stubs ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete'''. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 09:24, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Nudity stubs}}
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Underpopulated stub category, with no evidence of approval by [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting]]. As always, stub categories are not free for just any editor to create on a personal whim for a small handful of articles -- the minimum size bar for a stub category is ''60'' articles, and for that reason a stub category has to be ''approved'' for creation, but there's no evidence that approval was sought.<br>It's also not altogether clear that this would actually be of much value, as it's an impossibly broad subject area that could encompass thousands upon thousands of articles -- even just among the ten articles filed here, there's already a cross-section of artworks, models, photographers, naturist activists and television series, meaning this could potentially have to encompass every single model, every single artist, every single naturist, every single porn performer, every single porn director, every single porn magazine, every single porn film, every single television series and every single artwork that has anything to do with nudity at all, so this isn't a particularly helpful or unifying criterion on which to group such a diverse array of topics. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 19:00, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom. If there is a suitable merge target by all means merge, but currently I do not know a proper target. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:41, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
*'''Support'''<br />[[User:William Allen Simpson|William Allen Simpson]] ([[User talk:William Allen Simpson|talk]]) 07:51, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:Horizon Zero Dawn ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename''' to [[:Category:Horizon (video game series)]]. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 09:26, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Horizon Zero Dawn]] to [[:Category:Horizon (video game series)]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' The category seems to now encompass the [[Horizon (video game series)|video game series]] as a whole, rather than just the [[Horizon Zero Dawn|first title of the series]]. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #3F00FF;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:25, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
*'''Speedy rename''' Per [[WP:C2D]]. [[User:Zxcvbnm|ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ]] ([[User talk:Zxcvbnm|ᴛ]]) 10:27, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
*'''Speedy rename''' per [[WP:C2D]].<br />[[User:William Allen Simpson|William Allen Simpson]] ([[User talk:William Allen Simpson|talk]]) 07:51, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
*'''Nominator comment''': For what's it's worth, I didn't think [[WP:C2D]] applied since the title change is a scope change: The other option would be creating a new category at the proposed title and making the existing category a subcategory of that category, but that would create potential [[WP:SMALLCAT]] issues. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #3F00FF;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 18:59, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
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====Category:People from Corupá====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''merge''' to [[:Category:People from Santa Catarina (state)]]. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 09:30, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
[[:Category:People from Corupá]] propose merge to [[:Category:People from Santa Catarina (state)]], only one entry as per [[WP:SMALLCAT]] [[User:GrahamHardy|GrahamHardy]] ([[User talk:GrahamHardy|talk]]) 18:16, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:44, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
*'''Merge'''<br />[[User:William Allen Simpson|William Allen Simpson]] ([[User talk:William Allen Simpson|talk]]) 07:49, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:Iranian dynasties ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename & purge'''. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#1d9ffc; color:white; padding:5px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">Qwerfjkl</span>]][[User talk:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#79c0f2;color:white; padding:2px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">talk</span>]] 10:57, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Iranian dynasties]] to [[:Category:Dynasties in Persia and Iran]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:C2C]] per parent [[:Category:Monarchy in Persia and Iran]]. Remove [[:Category:Empires and kingdoms of Iran]] as a redundant layer; both are already children of [[:Category:Monarchy in Persia and Iran]]. Remove all dynasties that didn't reign over the territory of Persia/Iran, but were only "Iranian" in the sense of the [[Iranian languages]], because language family is [[WP:NONDEFINING]] per precedents listed at [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 22#Category:Turkic dynasties]]. This would exclude [[:Category:Ariarathid dynasty]], [[:Category:Kingdom of Cappadocia]], [[:Category:Kings of Cappadocia]], [[:Category:Orontid dynasty]] (probably; it was mostly located outside the present-day borders of Iran), [[:Category:Pharnacid dynasty]], and [[:Category:Kingdom of Pontus]], all of which reigned over territory in [[Anatolia]]/[[Asia Minor]] or the [[South Caucasus]], outside of the present-day borders of Iran. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 18:11, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
* '''Rename and purge''' per nom, but I would keep  [[:Category:Orontid dynasty]] in the category since Armenia was part of Iran or a vassal state of Iran during large parts of history. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:52, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
*:Yes, in that case it's better to be inclusive. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 09:17, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
* '''Rename''' and purge per nom. [[User:Place Clichy|Place Clichy]] ([[User talk:Place Clichy|talk]]) 10:54, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as nominated and per Marcocapelle.<br />[[User:William Allen Simpson|William Allen Simpson]] ([[User talk:William Allen Simpson|talk]]) 07:48, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:Turkic dynasties ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete/manual merge'''. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#1d9ffc; color:white; padding:5px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">Qwerfjkl</span>]][[User talk:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#79c0f2;color:white; padding:2px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">talk</span>]] 11:04, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Turkic dynasties}}
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Burial sites of Turkic dynasties}}; '''re-parent''' [[:Category:Burial sites of the Timurid dynasty]] to [[:Category:Burial sites of Muslim dynasties]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Per precedents:
:* Precedent #1: [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_January_17#Countries_and_territories_by_language_family]], including [[:Category:Turkic countries and territories‎]] and many others
:* Precedent #2: [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_January_25#Category:Modern_Turkic_states]] [[:Category:Modern Turkic states]]
:* Precedent #3: [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_March_4#Category:Countries_by_language_family]], including "[[:Category:Turkic states]], [[:Category:Turkic rump states]] and [[:Category:Historical Turkic states]]" and many others
:* Precedent #4: [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_March_7#Category:Turkic_rulers]] "[[:Category:Turkic rulers]]", "Germanic rulers", "Celtic rulers".
:Although it is arguably reasonable to categorise a dynasty according to the ethnicity or native/primary language spoken by its reigning house, the language family that native/primary language belonged to is [[WP:NONDEFINING]]. Cheers, [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 17:13, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
:PS: Added Burial sites. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 17:54, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
* '''Support in principle''', but '''manually merge''' [[:Category:Turkic dynasties]] to [[:Category:Asian dynasties]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:57, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
* '''Delete/manual merge''' per nom and Marcocapelle. [[User:Place Clichy|Place Clichy]] ([[User talk:Place Clichy|talk]]) 10:53, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as nominated and per Marcocapelle.<br />[[User:William Allen Simpson|William Allen Simpson]] ([[User talk:William Allen Simpson|talk]]) 07:47, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:American people ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''keep'''. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 09:32, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:American people]] to [[:Category:Americans]]
:* [[:Category:Afghan people]] to [[:Category:Afghans]]
:* [[:Category:Belizean people]] to [[:Category:Belizeans]]
:* [[:Category:Belgian people]] to [[:Category:Belgians]]
:* [[:Category:Argentine people]] to [[:Category:Argentines]]
:* [[:Category:Algerian people]] to [[:Category:Algerians]]
:* [[:Category:Barbadian people]] to [[:Category:Barbadians]]
:* [[:Category:Belarusian people]] to [[:Category:Belarusians]]
:* [[:Category:Chilean people]] to [[:Category:Chileans]]
:* [[:Category:Armenian people]] to [[:Category:Armenians]]
:* [[:Category:Australian people]] to [[:Category:Australians]]
:* [[:Category:Austrian people]] to [[:Category:Austrians]]
:* [[:Category:Azerbaijani people]] to [[:Category:Azerbaijanis]]
:* [[:Category:Danish people]] to [[:Category:Danes]]
:* [[:Category:Czech people]] to [[:Category:Czechs]]
:* [[:Category:Albanian people]] to [[:Category:Albanians]]
:* [[:Category:Bahrani people]] to [[:Category:Baharna]]
:* [[:Category:Bahamian people]] to [[:Category:Bahamians]]
:* [[:Category:Abkhazian people]] to [[:Category:Abkhazians]]
:* [[:Category:Bangladeshi people]] to [[:Category:Bangladeshis]]
:* [[:Category:Finnish people]] to [[:Category:Finns]]
:* [[:Category:Norwegian people]] to [[:Category:Norwegians]]
:* [[:Category:Omani people]] to [[:Category:Omanis]]
:* [[:Category:Pakistani people]] to [[:Category:Pakistanis]]
:* [[:Category:Jamaican people]] to [[:Category:Jamaicans]]
:* [[:Category:Iraqi people]] to [[:Category:Iraqis]]
:* [[:Category:Israeli people]] to [[:Category:Israelis]]
:* [[:Category:Indonesian people]] to [[:Category:Indonesians]]
:* [[:Category:Ukrainian people]] to [[:Category:Ukrainians]]
:* [[:Category:Slovak people]] to [[:Category:Slovaks]]
:* [[:Category:Swedish people]] to [[:Category:Swedes]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Basically it is C2D, and more concise as well. [[User:Skovl|Skovl]] ([[User talk:Skovl|talk]]) 14:12, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
* '''Oppose/Split''' In many cases, the "X people" category refers to the inhabitants of a country regardless of their ethnic or linguistic traits. See the recent "Mongols" versus "Mongolian people" CfDs: [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_March_20#Mongols]], [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_March_18#Category:Mongol_rulers]], [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_March_18#Category:Northern_Yuan_rulers]]. 
:Either many of these categories need to be split, reparented or redefined/renamed. [[:Category:Danish people]], for example, is a parent of both [[:Category:People by nationality]] and [[:Category:North Germanic peoples]], [[:Category:Germanic ethnic groups]], [[:Category:Germanic people]]. As if a sub-Saharan African woman acquiring Danish nationality suddenly becomes a Germanic-speaking, Odin-worshipping, axe-wielding Viking. (Granted, she'll probably need to pass a Danish language proficiency test and a Denmark civics test, but you get the idea). The latter stuff is probably best grouped in [[:Category:Danes]] (currently a redirect to [[:Category:Danish people]]) and treated as a historical category that ends somewhere in the Middle Ages ([[:Category:Germanic people by century]] currently ends in the 12th century), while we keep the nationality status stuff in [[:Category:Danish people]].  Cheers, [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 17:30, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
* '''Alternative suggestion''' Alternatively, we can do what we do for lower-level administrative divisions such as provinces or cities do, namely {{xt|People from X}}, e.g. [[:Category:People from the North Jutland Region]], [[:Category:People from Aarhus Municipality]], [[:Category:People from Copenhagen]]. This "People from X" formula has recently been adopted for other CfDs you have been involved in, such as [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_March_16#Category:Polish–Lithuanian_Commonwealth_people]] (where {{xt|People from the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth}} is the current favourite) and [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_March_16#Category:Austro-Hungarian_people]] (where {{xt|People from Austria-Hungary}} is the current favourite), both per precedent [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_September_4#Category:People_of_the_Russian_Empire]], resulting in [[:Category:People from the Russian Empire]]. Cheers, [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 17:44, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
*:I'm ok with {{tq|People from X}} but would oppose split per reasons of Marco below. [[User:Skovl|Skovl]] ([[User talk:Skovl|talk]]) 06:56, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
* '''Oppose split''', that would merely be confusing and offers no benefit over the existing migrant subcategories. Neutral about renaming. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:03, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
* '''Oppose '''- the present setup is preferable. Introducing another denonym-like word is a bad idea. We have Denmark and Danish in category names, but not 'Danes'. And then there are plenty for which there is no usable word: 'British' and 'French' will not do. Chinese. Japanese. And most of the subcategories necessarily use 'fooian', eg {{cl|American actors}}. [[User:Oculi|Oculi]] ([[User talk:Oculi|talk]]) 15:41, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
* '''Oppose'''. For some reason (maybe because many pages in he article space are no named), ''Fooians'' is in many cases understood as an ethnic qualifier (see e.g. {{diff2|1146254722|Danes}}). Therefore, renaming categories intended for individual people would lead to make assumptions on the ethnic purity of people, and that would not be an improvement. [[User:Place Clichy|Place Clichy]] ([[User talk:Place Clichy|talk]]) 10:51, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' — changing a topic category to a [[WP:SETCAT]] form, confusing [[demonym]] with [[ethnonym]]. This has been previously decided and documented.<br />[[User:William Allen Simpson|William Allen Simpson]] ([[User talk:William Allen Simpson|talk]]) 07:08, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:Women members of the Riiginõukogu ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''merge''' to [[:Category:Women members of upper houses]] and [[:Category:Women legislators in Estonia]]. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 09:33, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Women members of the Riiginõukogu]] to [[:Category:Women members of upper houses]] and [[:Category:Women legislators in Estonia]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Per [[WP:SMALLCAT]]. This category has only 1 entry. No potential to grow. [[User:Estopedist1|Estopedist1]] ([[User talk:Estopedist1|talk]]) 13:12, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' per nom. The Riiginõukogu no longer exists, so indeed there is no potential for growth. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 17:34, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:09, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:Members of the Board of Control for Cricket in India ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''merge'''. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> [[User:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#1d9ffc; color:white; padding:5px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">Qwerfjkl</span>]][[User talk:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#79c0f2;color:white; padding:2px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">talk</span>]] 11:08, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Members of the Board of Control for Cricket in India]] to [[:Category:Indian cricket administrators]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Being on the BCCI board is [[WP:NOTDEFINING]] as most of the people there are primarily known for other things (either professional cricketers, or politicians). Upmerge seems sensible to me, some of them should be in [[:Category:Presidents of the Board of Control for Cricket in India]]. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 12:00, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
* '''Delete or merge''', just membership of almost everything is not a defining characteristic (in contrast to e.g. chairman). [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:13, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' Per nom. [[User:Rugbyfan22|Rugbyfan22]] ([[User talk:Rugbyfan22|talk]]) 20:13, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:SELL Student Games ====
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:SELL Student Games]] to [[:Category:Student sport in Estonia]] and [[:Category:Student sport in Finland]] and [[:Category:Student sport in Latvia]] and [[:Category:Lithuania]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Per [[WP:SMALLCAT]]. This category has only 1 entry. [[User:Estopedist1|Estopedist1]] ([[User talk:Estopedist1|talk]]) 10:45, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
*'''Speedy delete''' and upmerge as per [[WP:C2F]]. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 12:01, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' per nom. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:17, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:SELL Student Games (withdrawn) ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' '''withdrawn'''<!-- Template:Cfd top --> <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small> [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 12:17, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|SELL Student Games}}
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Per [[WP:SMALLCAT]]. This category has only 1 entry. [[User:Estopedist1|Estopedist1]] ([[User talk:Estopedist1|talk]]) 10:42, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
:: {{Withdrawn}}: merging request is more correct solution--[[User:Estopedist1|Estopedist1]] ([[User talk:Estopedist1|talk]]) 10:46, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:18th-century Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth people ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename'''. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 01:46, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:18th-century Polish–Lithuanian people by occupation]] to [[:Category:18th-century people from the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth by occupation]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:18th-century Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth people]] to [[:Category:18th-century people from the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:17th-century Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth people]] to [[:Category:17th-century people from the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' The standard seems to be "from". People from multi-ethnic empires should not use a demonym form. See also yesterday's nom for 16th century. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 08:52, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
*First of all [[:Category:18th-century Polish–Lithuanian people by occupation]] should be renamed back to [[:18th-century Polish people by occupation‎]], because as you can see in the [[:Category:Polish people by century and occupation]] it's an outlier. This category contains people of Polish nationality or ethnicity, co calling it "Polish-Lithuanian" is wrong, as this adjective is used for people of mixed Polish-Lithuanian identity (in most cases citizens of Grand Duchy of Lithuania of Polish culture or vice versa); or should be a parent category for "Polish people" and "Lithuanian people" of 18th century. [[User:Marcelus|Marcelus]] ([[User talk:Marcelus|talk]]) 09:16, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
:*'''Reply''' The comment above is a very good reason we should avoid the tyranny of demonyms. The editor has assumed that the scope of the category is "nationality"; it is not. This is because there is/was no such thing as a Polish–Lithuanian national; one is either Polish or Lithuanian or Jewish or Rus'. All of these nationals were citizens of the Commonwealth. Instead, this category has a "by country" (or "by empire if you like) scope. Hence the need for a longer name. It should '''not''' be renamed back to [[:18th-century Polish people by occupation‎]] because many were Lithuanian or Jewish or Rus' nationals. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 09:59, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
:*:But we have currently [[:Category:18th-century Ukrainian people by occupation]] and [[:Category:18th-century Lithuanian people by occupation]], but we don't have [[:Category:18th-century Polish people by occupation]], why is that? Plus the category contains '''only Polish people''', and there was a Polish country ([[Crown of the Kingdom of Poland]]), the same there is [[Wales]] and [[United Kingdom]] today. We have [[:Category:20th-century Welsh people by occupation]], [[:Category:20th-century English people by occupation]] simultanously to [[:Category:20th-century British people by occupation]]. Why the "Polish case" is different? [[User:Marcelus|Marcelus]] ([[User talk:Marcelus|talk]]) 10:20, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
:::*We have it because of nationalistic-minded editors. "My country wasn't just established in 1919, it has existed for centuries". Complete guff, but there's a lot of it about. It is not historical to speak of "18th-century Ukraine" as no such country existed. It is possible to argue that Ukrainians as an ethnic group existed in the 18th century (but they might have self-identified as Ruthenian / Little Rus'). This is where the use of demonyms is so pernicious - they elide this important distinction. Demonyms allow us to pretend that "18th-century Ukrainian people" can mean either the state '''or''' the nation; in some cases that is true (e.g. islands like Cyprus and Ireland), but in most cases it is not true. Precision is to be preferred over sleight-of-hand. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 12:27, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
:::*:Sorry but you are wrong, we are interested in what the sources say. If [[Ivan Kotliarevsky]] is defined by [[WP:RS]] as a "Ukrainian writer" then he should be in the [[:Category:18th-century Ukrainian writers]] category, whether Wikipedians are "nationalist-minded" or not is irrelevant.
:::*:The fact that there is no [[:Category:18th-century Polish people by occupation]] category is [[WP:OR]] and should be changed as soon as possible. [[User:Marcelus|Marcelus]] ([[User talk:Marcelus|talk]]) 12:45, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
::::::Laurel is right. See also my comments under the CfR "Category:American people" above, where ethnicity/language and nationality/citizenship are inappropriately mixed up so as to disqualify anyone not belonging to the majority-language group or majority-ethnic group in a country from ever becoming a citizen of that country. Which is incorrect, of course. This line of thinking and categorisation is the result of ethnic nationalism, plain and simple, and Wikipedia should fix it. Cheers, [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 22:43, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
:::::::That's wrong we should follow [[WP:RS]], that's your own POV. If some person is described as "Polish" he should be in such category, if he is described as "Lithuanian" he should be in that category, if he is described as both he should be in two categories. That's the only proper way to do this, that follows policies and guidelines. [[User:Marcelus|Marcelus]] ([[User talk:Marcelus|talk]]) 09:16, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nom. [[User:Cukrakalnis|Cukrakalnis]] ([[User talk:Cukrakalnis|talk]]) 16:56, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
* '''Support''' per nom and precedent [[:Category:People from the Russian Empire]]. {{ping|Laurel Lodged}} I assume you forgot the word 'Commonwealth' in the first target, and that you meant [[:Category:18th-century people from the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth by occupation]]? Cheers, [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 22:37, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
::'''Oops''' Thank you. Error fixed. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 07:54, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
* '''Keep or rename as nominated''', by having "Commonwealth" in the name it is sufficiently clear that it concerns categorization by country rather than by language. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:22, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

*'''COMMENT:''' The mess needs to be cleaned up once and for all. [[:Category:18th-century Polish people by occupation]] was merged with [[:Category:18th-century Polish–Lithuanian people by occupation]] in early 2022 at the request of {{User|Rathfelder}}. Later, the same user tried to undo the process ([[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_June_28#Category:18th-century_Polish_people_by_occupation|in June 28, 2022]]). Rightly arguing that: ''Poland and Lithuania continued to have considerable independent existence during the Commonwealth, with seperate political arrangements. I suggest that it would be more sensible  for [[:Category:18th-century Polish people by occupation]] to be a subcategory of [[:Category:18th-century Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth people]] as [[:Category:18th-century Lithuanian people by occupation]] is.'' 

:He is absolutely right, at this point it is a complete mess. There is no category for "Polish people of 18th century", they have all been catagorized as "Polish-Lithuania" which is [[WP:OR]] because many of them are referred to by [[WP:RS]] as Poles and not "Polish-Lithuanian" (see: [[Polish-Lithuanian identity]]). Moreover, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was inhabited by people of various nationalities, including Poles. At this point we have categories for 18th-century Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Germans, etc., but not for Poles.

:In summary this category should be renamed [[:Category:18th-century Polish people by occupation]], a parent category should be created for it called [[:Category:18th-century people from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth by occupation]].

:Contrary to what {{User|Marcocapelle}} claims, talking about Poles in the 18th century is not a manifestation of "nationalism," but firstly respecting [[WP:RS]], and secondly realizing that the PLC was a federated state, consisting of two states: the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, which did not cease to exist after the union.[[User:Marcelus|Marcelus]] ([[User talk:Marcelus|talk]]) 10:10, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
::'''Reply''' {{Ping|Marcelus}} I see nothing in what you have written that is contrary to the current nomination. It fixes the "by state" problem. Your comments address the "by nation" problem. They should be raised as a separate nomination. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 07:51, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
:::Not really, because as I said: ''In summary this category should be renamed [[:Category:18th-century Polish people by occupation]], a parent category should be created for it called [[:Category:18th-century people from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth by occupation]].'' [[User:Marcelus|Marcelus]] ([[User talk:Marcelus|talk]]) 08:02, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
::::What about [[Jan Henryk Wołodkowicz]]? Would he be happy to be called Polish? Yet he sits quite happily in [[:Category:18th-century Polish–Lithuanian people by occupation]]. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 13:35, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
:::::Why shouldn't it be? A typical representative of the nobility of the period. He was Lithuanian and Polish and even French. There is nothing unusual about this figure. [[User:Marcelus|Marcelus]] ([[User talk:Marcelus|talk]]) 13:54, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
::::::{{Ping|Marcelus}} His article only describes him as Lithuanian. I see no citations for any other nationality. Yes he was a citizen of the P-LC state, but that does not make him a P-LC person. That's the whole point. You are mistakenly conflating the two entities. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 14:03, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]], but this category at the very start was about "Polish people", then it was moved to "Polish-Lithuanian people", as a result, there is no category for Poles in the 18th century. First of all, this is procedurally wrong. Therefore, this erroneous transfer must be reversed. 
:::::::Even if this one character should not be in this category (which is doubtful, simply the Polishness of this character is not mentioned in the article yet) it does not change much. [[User:Marcelus|Marcelus]] ([[User talk:Marcelus|talk]]) 16:28, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
::::::::One exception is sufficient to undermine the argument. There are tree structures "by state" and there are tree structures "by nation"; this is the former. [[User:Laurel Lodged|Laurel Lodged]] ([[User talk:Laurel Lodged|talk]]) 16:33, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::Why? Just remove him from the category. Also there was both Polish state and Polish nation in 18th century so your argument is irrelevant [[User:Marcelus|Marcelus]] ([[User talk:Marcelus|talk]]) 17:00, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as nominated. This is the name of the "empire" collection of states. Clean up anything else mentioned in future nominations. [[WP:OCEGRS]] provides for ethnicity by occupation only in rare circumstances.<br />[[User:William Allen Simpson|William Allen Simpson]] ([[User talk:William Allen Simpson|talk]]) 15:26, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:History of Czech Republic ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''merge'''. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 09:38, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:History of Czech Republic]] to [[:Category:History of the Czech Republic]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Why separated? [[User:Estopedist1|Estopedist1]] ([[User talk:Estopedist1|talk]]) 07:02, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' per [[WP:C2A]]. Former was created only a few weeks ago. {{ping|Estopedist1}} could you also nom all subcategories of [[:Category:History of Czech Republic]]? Thanks in advance. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 18:55, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]]: I hope that a Czech enthusiast does the job. I just wanted to show an obvious mistake [[User:Estopedist1|Estopedist1]] ([[User talk:Estopedist1|talk]]) 19:24, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
*::Fair enough. In a few years time we can probably do it all over again once we agree to just call the country "Czechia". ;) [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 19:25, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
* '''Merge''' per nom, this could have been listed at [[WP:CFDS|speedy]]. Adding subcategories to the nomination. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:26, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:History of Czech Republic by period]] to [[:Category:History of the Czech Republic by period]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Centuries in Czech Republic]] to [[:Category:Centuries in the Czech Republic]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Millennia in Czech Republic]] to [[:Category:Millennia in the Czech Republic]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Years in Czech Republic]] to [[:Category:Years in the Czech Republic]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:History of Czech Republic by topic]] to [[:Category:History of the Czech Republic by topic]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Cultural history of Czech Republic]] to [[:Category:Cultural history of the Czech Republic]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:History of literature in Czech Republic]] to [[:Category:History of literature in the Czech Republic]]
* '''Support all''' - clearly. [[User:Oculi|Oculi]] ([[User talk:Oculi|talk]]) 15:06, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
*'''Support most''', except [[:Category:Millennia in Czech Republic]] to [[:Category:Millennia in the Czech Republic]], which should be deleted instead.<br />[[User:William Allen Simpson|William Allen Simpson]] ([[User talk:William Allen Simpson|talk]]) 06:50, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
:* In the latter case, merge and delete will have the same effect. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 07:23, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:Children of national leaders of Russia ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename''' to [[:Category:Children of presidents of Russia]]. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 09:42, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Children of national leaders of Russia]] to [[:Category:Children of presidents of Russia]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''rename''' per actual category content, these are children of presidents Yeltsin and Putin. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:44, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nom. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 18:57, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
*'''Rename'''<br />[[User:William Allen Simpson|William Allen Simpson]] ([[User talk:William Allen Simpson|talk]]) 06:24, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
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==== Category:Fictional children of heads of government ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename''' to [[:Category:Fictional children of heads of state]]. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 09:40, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Fictional children of heads of government]] to [[:Category:Fictional children of heads of state]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''rename''' per actual category content. Monarchs are not usually the head of government while they are always head of state. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:37, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
* '''Rename''' per nom. The POTUS is both head of state and govt, and it's hard to separate these two functions in practice, but I'd say the function of head of state (including Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces) is far more important (both in reality and in fiction) than being the "prime minister" during cabinet meetings. [[User:Nederlandse Leeuw|Nederlandse Leeuw]] ([[User talk:Nederlandse Leeuw|talk]]) 18:52, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
*'''Rename'''<br />[[User:William Allen Simpson|William Allen Simpson]] ([[User talk:William Allen Simpson|talk]]) 06:24, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
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