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=== September 8 ===
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==== Category:Clerks (film) ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''Delete'''. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 20:54, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{Lc|Clerks (film)}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Only five articles and all will be pretty easily interlinked and navigable from a footer. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 19:44, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
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==== Area codes in the United States by state ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''keep'''. [[User:Explicit|<b style="color:#4B0082;">ℯ</b>]][[User talk:Explicit|<span style="color:#483D8B;">xplicit</span>]] 05:04, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Area codes in Alaska]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Area codes in Connecticut]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Area codes in Delaware]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Area codes in Hawaii]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Area codes in Idaho]]
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:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Area codes in Maryland]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Area codes in Montana]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Area codes in Nebraska]]
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:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Area codes in New Hampshire]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Area codes in New Mexico]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Area codes in North Dakota]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Area codes in Oregon]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Area codes in Rhode Island]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Area codes in South Dakota]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Area codes in Utah]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Area codes in Vermont]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Area codes in West Virginia]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Area codes in Wyoming]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[WP:SMALLCAT]], small categories unlikely to grow. Some of these states are served exclusively by one area code, e.g. [[Area code 701]] for [[North Dakota]]. All area codes in all states (including those not in this nomination) are already in [[:Category:Area codes in the United States]]. A category is included here [[iff]] there are fewer than four articles. –[[User:LaundryPizza03|'''<span style="color:#7f7fbf;">Laundry</span><span style="color:#ffbf00;">Pizza</span><span style="color:#bf0000;">03</span>''']] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#00df00;">d</span>]][[Special:Contributions/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#00bfff;">c&#x0304;</span>]]) 18:33, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' as part of [[:Category:Area codes in the United States by state]] per the exception in [[WP:SMALLCAT]] for overall accepted sub-categorization  schemes.  The states of the United States are just such a scheme as is the parent for each state in [[:Category:Communications in the United States by state]]. [[User:Hmains|Hmains]] ([[User talk:Hmains|talk]]) 22:04, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' per [[WP:SMALLCAT]] exception per Hmains. [[User:Carlossuarez46|Carlossuarez46]] ([[User talk:Carlossuarez46|talk]]) 02:32, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Helpful category and per above's comments on SmallCat [[User:AmericanAir88|<b style="color: blue">AmericanAir88</b>]]<sup>([[User talk:AmericanAir88|<b style="color: darkred">talk</b>]])</sup>  22:09, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Abbott and Costello (film series) ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''split into [[:Category:Abbott and Costello]] and [[:Category:Abbott and Costello films]]'''. [[User:Good Olfactory|Good Ol’factory]] <sup>[[User talk:Good Olfactory|(talk)]]</sup> 05:37, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Abbott and Costello (film series)]] to [[:Category:Abbott and Costello]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Does not exclusively include films. Article [[Abbott and Costello (film series)]] does not exist. –[[User:LaundryPizza03|'''<span style="color:#7f7fbf;">Laundry</span><span style="color:#ffbf00;">Pizza</span><span style="color:#bf0000;">03</span>''']] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#00df00;">d</span>]][[Special:Contributions/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#00bfff;">c&#x0304;</span>]]) 17:36, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
* '''Alternative suggestion''', create [[:Category:Abbott and Costello]] as a parent category of [[:Category:Abbott and Costello (film series)]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 21:40, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
*I say use [[:Category:Abbott and Costello]] as a parent cateory but rename the other one to [[:Category:Abbott and Costello films]].[[User:&#42;Treker|★Trekker]] ([[User talk:&#42;Treker|talk]]) 14:23, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
:* Yes, "films" is more accurate than "film series". [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 17:36, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Stella Vine ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''Delete'''. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 20:55, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{Lc|Stella Vine}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Unnecessary small category containing only two articles [[User:CallyMc|CallyMc]] ([[User talk:CallyMc|talk]]) 15:29, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:8th-century disestablishments in Israel ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete'''. [[User:Good Olfactory|Good Ol’factory]] <sup>[[User talk:Good Olfactory|(talk)]]</sup> 12:03, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{Lc|8th-century disestablishments in Israel}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''delete''' as an outlier in [[:Category:Disestablishments in Israel by century]] which starts in the 20th century (to be precise, in 1948). [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 07:41, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' to [[:Category:8th-century disestablishments in the Abbasid Caliphate]], which I think it the correct country category.  [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 15:46, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
:* Almost! The earthquake (hence the disestablishment) was in 749 while the Abbasids conquered Syria and Palestina in 750 (see [[Abbasid Revolution]]). The correct country category is [[:Category:Umayyad Caliphate]] but this doesn't have a disestablishments subcat of its own. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 20:29, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' to [[:Category:8th-century disestablishments in the Umayyad Caliphate]] per above. [[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 05:12, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
::Also [[:Category:8th century in Israel]].[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 05:15, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
::* I cannot imagine we can create a reasonably populated disestablishment tree for the Umayyad Caliphate. The one article is already in the global <s>[[:Category:749 establishments]]</s> [[:Category:749 disestablishments]] and that should be good enough. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 08:40, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
:::*I will do that. I created the Abbasid Caliphate tree.[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 14:19, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Lübeck law ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> {{relisted}} '''at [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_October_6#Category:Lübeck_law|2018 OCT 6 CFD]]'''. [[User:Good Olfactory|Good Ol’factory]] <sup>[[User talk:Good Olfactory|(talk)]]</sup> 05:35, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Lübeck law]] to [[:Category:Cities with Lübeck law]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''rename''' since the large amount of this category consists of cities with Lübeck law rather than articles about [[Lübeck law]] itself. When this category is renamed, the first three articles may be moved to the two parent categories. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 07:37, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Support''' -- The eponymous article can remain the main article.  [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 15:50, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''do not rename, create a subcat instead''' and name it [[:Category:Populated places with Lübeck law]] to include any place that is not a city, such as the towns I just saw here.  [[User:Hmains|Hmains]] ([[User talk:Hmains|talk]]) 22:09, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
:* In that case, the remaining [[:Category:Lübeck law]] would only contain the eponymous article and the subcategory (because the two other topic articles should be moved up anyway). That is not very helpful for navigation. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 08:27, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' a city having Lübeck law is probably not a defining characteristic. [[User:Carlossuarez46|Carlossuarez46]] ([[User talk:Carlossuarez46|talk]]) 02:34, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
:* That is what I have been considering too. It is usually mentioned early in the wp articles as if it were very defining, but that may also have been the work of one over-enthusiastic editor. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:11, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Data with undue precision ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''keep''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 06:02, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{Lc|Data with undue precision}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Empty cleanup category with an unclear and possibly misleading scope. '''&thinsp;&mdash;'''&nbsp;[[User:Mr. Guye|Mr. Guye]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Mr. Guye|talk]])&nbsp;([[Special:Contributions/Mr. Guye|contribs]])&thinsp; 04:15, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' – This category is populated by {{t|Undue precision}}. It is for articles with figures that are more precise than necessary. –[[User:LaundryPizza03|'''<span style="color:#7f7fbf;">Laundry</span><span style="color:#ffbf00;">Pizza</span><span style="color:#bf0000;">03</span>''']] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#00df00;">d</span>]][[Special:Contributions/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#00bfff;">c&#x0304;</span>]]) 17:31, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
::Or for conversions (e.g. Imperial to metric) that are more precise than the data warrants. That's really what the issue is. If the data is only precise to within 10%, and we (or someone else) convert it into a figure with 1% precision, then we're misrepresenting the source. E.g., if a distance is given as 1km, and we convert that to 0.62mi, then we're claiming a precision of 50ft instead of 500m. Or, sometimes the source itself will have spurious precision, because the journalist reporting on the topic has little understanding of stats. There have been edit wars over keeping undue precision inherited from a supposedly reliable source, and that has required consensus among editors who do know what they're doing to change it. — [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 18:20, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. I have added documentation about the purpose of the category. [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]], please do likewise (if still necessary) with any other similar categories that you set up. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color: #FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 08:22, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
:Thanks, Fayenatic. — [[User:Kwamikagami|kwami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|talk]]) 16:11, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''keep''' for the good reasons stated above.  [[User:Hmains|Hmains]] ([[User talk:Hmains|talk]]) 02:11, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
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==== Category:Winter Olympic venues by year ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> {{relisted}} '''at [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_October_7#Category:Winter_Olympic_venues_by_year|2018 OCT 7 CFD]]'''. [[User:Good Olfactory|Good Ol’factory]] <sup>[[User talk:Good Olfactory|(talk)]]</sup> 12:05, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming Winter Olympic venues by year''' i.e. [[:Category:2018 Winter Olympics venues]] to [[:Category:2018 Winter Olympic venues]], and back to 1924 i.e. [[:Category:1924 Winter Olympics venues]] to [[:Category:1924 Winter Olympic venues]]. Also all intermediate years (1928, 1932, 1936, 1948, 1952, 1956, 1960, 1964, 1968, 1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1994, 1998, 2002, 2006, 2010; & 2014: all tagged).
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' While only the 2022 category ([[:Category:2022 Winter Olympic venues]]) uses "Olympic" rather than "Olympics"; all the Summer Olympics use "Olympic". Hence it seems preferable to change (e.g. to [[:Category:2018 Winter Olympic venues]] etc.) so as to have the same format as for the Summer Olympics (see e.g. [[:Category:2016 Summer Olympic venues]]). [[User:Hugo999|Hugo999]] ([[User talk:Hugo999|talk]]) 10:57, 8 September 2018 (UTC)  
*'''Support''' per nom. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Fire Walk with Me]]</sup> 11:14, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' For me, the word "Olympics" should stand as a plural. I think for example "2018 Winter Olympic venues" looks wrong as it contains the familiar name "2018 Winter Olympics" but with the 's' missing, so it just looks unfinished. "2018 Winter Olympics venues" seems correct as it describes venues of the "2018 Winter Olympics". Personally I'd prefer to see all the summer categories changed to "???? Summer Olympics venues". I can see that the singular version matches the idea of an "olympic venue" in which the word 'olympic' is an adjective describing the venue, but I think it's more important to retain the familiar plural word "Olympics" in this case. An alternative suggestion would be renaming to "Olympic venues of the 2018 Winter Olympics" but this might seem too wordy. [[User:Rodney Baggins|Rodney Baggins]] ([[User talk:Rodney Baggins|talk]]) 10:22, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
*'''Further comment''' While the possessive "Olympics" applies to events so [[:Category:2018 Winter Olympics events]] as the events are part of the Olympics; the Olympic venues do not belong to the Olympics, but are associated with a particular Olympics; hence the category [[:Category:2016 Summer Olympic venues]] (with "Olympic" not "Olympics") for venues associated with that Olympics. [[User:Hugo999|Hugo999]] ([[User talk:Hugo999|talk]]) 02:05, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
:In which case why not just call it "Category:2016 Olympic venues" or "Category:Venues of the 2016 Summer Olympics" [[User:Rodney Baggins|Rodney Baggins]] ([[User talk:Rodney Baggins|talk]]) 05:43, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
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