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=== October 21 ===
==== Baltimore Bays ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:''  '''rename/merge'''. [[User:Good Olfactory|Good Ol’factory]] <sup>[[User talk:Good Olfactory|(talk)]]</sup> 20:38, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Baltimore Bays (ASL) players]] to [[:Category:Baltimore Bays (1972–73) players]]
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Baltimore Bays (USISL) players]] to [[:Category:Baltimore Bays (1993–98) players]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Baltimore Bays (NASL) players]] to [[:Category:Baltimore Bays players]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Baltimore Bays (NPSL) players]] to [[:Category:Baltimore Bays players]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' To match parent articles/[[WP:OVERCAT]]. – [[User:Mikemor92|Michael]] ([[User talk:Mikemor92|talk]]) 23:41, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
:<small>Note: This discussion has been included in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Football#Nominations for deletion and page moves|WikiProject Football]]'s list of association football-related page moves. – [[User:Mikemor92|Michael]] ([[User talk:Mikemor92|talk]]) 23:47, 21 October 2013 (UTC)</small>
*'''Merge/rename all''' per nom. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 12:53, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
*'''Support all''' - per nom. [[User:Fenix down|Fenix down]] ([[User talk:Fenix down|talk]]) 11:36, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' -- We have successive teams, all using the same name, but no dabpage or general article explaining their relationship (which is needed).  In UK, we do not have a new article or new category when a club is promoted from one league to another.  I do not think we do so even where the club goes inot liquidation and is replaced by one of the same name.  Are these effectively successive incarnations of the same club? if so '''merge all''' to [[:Category:Baltimore Bays players]].  This is applying the principle, one club one category.  We should not have a new category for every new franchise, unless there is a clear break between the old club and the new one of the same name.  [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 11:43, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
::Which there clearly was, so there having them in one category makes no sense because they're not all the same franchise, and a clear break is irrelevant.  For example, [[Seattle Sounders (1994–2008)|Seattle Sounders]] played in the USL through 2008.  Then the MLS team began play the following year.  Not the same franchise.  That goes for Portland Timbers, Vancouver Whitecaps and Montreal Impact as well. – [[User:Mikemor92|Michael]] ([[User talk:Mikemor92|talk]]) 22:11, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
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==== Category:Wikipedians by unusual attribute ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:''  '''delete all'''. ([[WP:NACD|NAC]]) [[User:Armbrust|Armbrust]] <sup>[[User talk:Armbrust|<span style="color:#E3A857;">The</span> <span style="color:#008000;">Homunculus</span>]]</sup> 07:26, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
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:* '''Propose deleting''' {{Lc|Wikipedians by unusual attribute}}<br />
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{Lc|Wikipedian talk pages that are tl;dr}}
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{Lc|Wikipedians in ironic talk page categories}}
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{Lc|Wikipedians who are funny}}
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{Lc|Wikipedians who are smart}}
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{Lc|Wikipedians who are tolerant}}
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{Lc|Wikipedians with odd categories linked from their talk page}}
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' This is probably a sense of humour failure on my part, but these are seven categories that seem to serve no useful purpose. Six are used on one user's talk page, while the seventh groups them and is listed in the high-level [[:Category:Wikipedians]]. [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 21:10, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
:*Yes, you are correct. It is a sense of humour failure on your part. I very much doubt they have a useful purpose except to amuse. Do what you like with them :). They were put on my page by [[User:Technical 13|Technical 13]] as a joke, and someone else actually created one of them. So I created the rest. Now they do no good at all, but they do no harm either. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 21:18, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
*'''Delete all'''. Per [[WP:USERCAT]], ''User categories are navigation aides for Wikipedians, to be used for a collborative purpose to build the encyclopedia.''  However, these categories do not assist collaboration.<br />Editors may of course keep the red-linked categories on their userpage if they so wish, just as I have had two red-linked silly categs on my userpage for the last few years. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 23:27, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
**'''Comment''' Maybe Somebody should start a [[:Category:Wikipedians who have silly category links on their userpage]].[[User:WilliamJE|...William]] 12:24, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
*'''delete all''' - welcome to keep redlinks of course.--[[User:Obiwankenobi|Obi-Wan Kenobi]] ([[User talk:Obiwankenobi|talk]]) 13:49, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
*'''Keep.''' We should not delete these just because they are humorous.  That might start a bad trend that could result in the deletion of the "{{c|Furry Wikipedians}}" and the "{{c|Pastafarian Wikipedians}}" and several more.  Personally, if we're going to start deleting these user cats, I'd prefer losing a few {{c|Eventualist Wikipedians}}, who have really screwed up Wikipedia, and also those damn, wishy washy [[:Category:Agnostic Wikipedians|agnostic Wimpypedians]], too<code>!>)</code> &ndash;&nbsp;'''''<small>[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Segoe Script">Paine Ellsworth</span>]]</small>'''''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;">''C<small>LIMAX</small>!''</b>]]</sup> 14:42, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
:'''PS.''' {{blue|♪}} I'm an old [[:Category:Wikipedian Coxwains|coxwain]]... from the Rio Grande... if you think I'm tough... then you don't think enough...! {{blue|♪}} <small>&ndash;&nbsp;'''''<small>[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="color:darkblue; font-family:Segoe Script">Paine Ellsworth</span>]]</small>'''''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;">''C<small>LIMAX</small>!''</b>]]</sup></small>

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==== Category:Classic Car Restoration ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:''  '''delete all'''. ([[WP:NACD|NAC]]) [[User:Armbrust|Armbrust]] <sup>[[User talk:Armbrust|<span style="color:#E3A857;">The</span> <span style="color:#008000;">Homunculus</span>]]</sup> 19:09, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
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:* '''Propose deleting''' {{Lc|Classic Car Restoration}}<br />
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Classic Cars]]
:* '''Propose deleting''' [[:Category:Classic Racing Cars]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' These 3 categories just contain [[Maserati Birdcage Tipo 61 2459|one article]].  I.e. it appears that an editor has created new categories to put his article in rather than find existing categories that the article fits.  If there's a need for such categories then they should be correctly titled and integrated into the category structure. [[User:DexDor|DexDor]] ([[User talk:DexDor|talk]]) 20:37, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
*'''Delete all''' -- These orphans are a misuse of the category system.  There may be room for a [[:Category:Classic cars]] category, but I am not sure that there is a robust definition for what cars are "classic".  Certainly, this is not it.  [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 11:48, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

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==== Category:Spy films by sub-genre ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:''  '''merge to [[:Category:Spy films]]'''. ([[WP:NACD|NAC]]) [[User:Armbrust|Armbrust]] <sup>[[User talk:Armbrust|<span style="color:#E3A857;">The</span> <span style="color:#008000;">Homunculus</span>]]</sup> 19:07, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
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:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Spy films by sub-genre]] to [[:Category:Spy films by genre]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''Rename'''. To be in line with other sub-categories of [[:Category:Films by genre]]. [[User:Fortdj33|Fortdj33]] ([[User talk:Fortdj33|talk]]) 16:05, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
*'''Upmerge''' -I can't see any reason why this can't sit as a direct sub-category of its spy films parent without the intermediate layering. [[User:Jerry Pepsi|Jerry Pepsi]] ([[User talk:Jerry Pepsi|talk]]) 20:12, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
*'''Merge to [[:Category:Spy films]]'''. This category contains only 1 item ([[:Category:Spy comedy films]]), and we don't need a container category  for just one item. Note that if the category is not merged, then the proposed renaming is wrong. This a category of sub-genres, not of genres. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 23:18, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' the whole "films about Foo" or here "Foo films" is misguided. For example, Techno-thriller films which includes the Jurassic Park franchise as a subcat, is itself a subcat of Spy films, making the Jurassic Park films spy films. Really? Does Wikipedia really believe that? Do the supporters of these sorts of categories have reliable sources that Jurrasic Park is a spy film. If it is, anything is, so the category is meaningless. [[User:Carlossuarez46|Carlossuarez46]] ([[User talk:Carlossuarez46|talk]]) 07:47, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
:* An error in categorization is not an argument for the deletion of an entire category tree. You are correct that not all techno-thriller films are spy films (although there is significant overlap) so I have removed the techno-thriller category from the spy film parent. [[User:Jerry Pepsi|Jerry Pepsi]] ([[User talk:Jerry Pepsi|talk]]) 14:59, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
*'''Upmerge''' to [[:Category:Spy films]]. --<span style="color:blue;">Star</span><span style="color:orange;">cheers</span><span style="color:green;">peaks</span><span style="color:red;">news</span><span style="color:black;">lost</span><span style="color:blue;">wars</span><sup>[[User talk:Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars|Talk to me]]</sup> 00:38, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

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==== Category:Spy films by nationality ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:''  '''rename'''. ([[WP:NACD|NAC]]) [[User:Armbrust|Armbrust]] <sup>[[User talk:Armbrust|<span style="color:#E3A857;">The</span> <span style="color:#008000;">Homunculus</span>]]</sup> 19:09, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
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:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Spy films by nationality]] to [[:Category:Spy films by country]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''Rename'''. To be in line with other sub-categories of {{cl|Films by genre}} and {{cl|Films by country}}. [[User:Fortdj33|Fortdj33]] ([[User talk:Fortdj33|talk]]) 16:02, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' the whole "films about Foo" or here "Foo films" is misguided. For example, Techno-thriller films which includes the Jurassic Park franchise as a subcat, is itself a subcat of Spy films, making the Jurassic Park films spy films. Really? Does Wikipedia really believe that? Do the supporters of these sorts of categories have reliable sources that Jurrasic Park is a spy film. If it is, anything is, so the category is meaningless. [[User:Carlossuarez46|Carlossuarez46]] ([[User talk:Carlossuarez46|talk]]) 07:47, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
* '''Rename''' - per nom. See comments above re: techno-thrillers. [[User:Jerry Pepsi|Jerry Pepsi]] ([[User talk:Jerry Pepsi|talk]]) 15:03, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
* '''Rename''' Per nom. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Dick Laurent is dead]]</sup> 15:01, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

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==== Category:Maritime heritage trails ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:''  '''delete'''. ([[WP:NACD|NAC]]) [[User:Armbrust|Armbrust]] <sup>[[User talk:Armbrust|<span style="color:#E3A857;">The</span> <span style="color:#008000;">Homunculus</span>]]</sup> 19:06, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
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:* '''Propose deleting''' {{Lc|Maritime heritage trails}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Of the articles currently in this category only one ([[Maritime Heritage Trail – Battle of Saipan|the Saipan article]]) belongs in [[:Category:Trails]] (that article can be upmerged to several of the parent categories).  The other articles in the category are about a ship, museums, branches of archaeology etc for which this is not a [[WP:DEFINING]] characteristic. [[User:DexDor|DexDor]] ([[User talk:DexDor|talk]]) 06:17, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' -- I can see no coherence to the category.  A [[:Category:Coastal footpaths]] category might be legitimate (to categorise articles on paths and trails).  A maritime trail would involve walking on water, which most of us cannot do!  <small>(Unsigned comment by Peterkingiron [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ACategories_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2013_October_21&diff=578104534&oldid=578077267]) [[User:DexDor|DexDor]] ([[User talk:DexDor|talk]]) 18:37, 21 October 2013 (UTC)</small>
*'''Second comment''' -- This appears to be a mishmash of unrelated articles.  [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 11:50, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

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