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== Ssh ==
Isn't [[ssh]] used more commonly than [[rlogin]] these days? Would probably be worth adding if so. [[User:Hairy Dude|Hairy Dude]] 12:25, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
: [[ssh]] redirects to [[Secure Shell]], and that article describes the protocol, not the Unix command. --[[User:Tyomitch|tyomitch]] 04:25, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
:: Should we add a page for information about the unix command?  Like [[Ssh (Unix)]]?  '''~a''' ([[User:Arichnad|user]] • [[User talk:Arichnad|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arichnad|contribs]]) 22:55, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

== The template needs editing (2006) ==

I'm about to rearrange the template a little: currently it's just too big and clumsy and unwieldy. In particular, I'm going to remove all the red links: they are fine in an ''article'' like [[List of Unix programs]], but not in a ''nav template''. --[[User:Tyomitch|tyomitch]] 14:33, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
: Done. The template is 3/4 its former height now. --[[User:Tyomitch|tyomitch]] 04:25, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

:: How about if it were formatted as in the example below? Then it would be even more compact. &mdash; [[User:RJHall|RJH]] ([[User_talk:RJHall|''talk'']]) 15:57, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

{| align="center" class="toccolours" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" width="75%"
|- bgcolor="#ccccff"
| align="center" colspan="4" style="margin: 0; padding: 1px;" | '''[[Unix]] [[command line]] programs''' (''[[List of Unix programs|more]]'') {{Tnavbar|Unix commands|plain=1|nodiv=1}}
|- 
| style="border-top: 1px solid #bbbbff; background: #eeeeff; text-align: center;" | '''File and file system management'''
|-
| style="border-top: 1px solid #bbbbff;" colspan="3" | [[cat (Unix)|cat]] | [[chdir]]/[[chdir|cd]] | [[chmod]] | [[chown]] | [[chgrp]] | [[cp (Unix)|cp]] | [[du (Unix)|du]] | [[df (Unix)|df]] | [[file (Unix)|file]] | [[fsck|fsck]] |  [[ln (Unix)|ln]] | [[ls (Unix)|ls]] | [[lsof]] | [[mkdir|mkdir]] | [[more (Unix)|more]]  | [[mount (Unix)|mount]] | [[mv]] | [[pwd|pwd]] | [[rcp (Unix)|rcp]] | [[rm (Unix)|rm]] | [[rmdir|rmdir]] | [[split (Unix)|split]] | [[touch (Unix)|touch]] | [[tree (Unix)|tree]]
|- 
| style="border-top: 1px solid #bbbbff; background: #eeeeff; text-align: center;" | '''Process management'''
|-
| style="border-top: 1px solid #bbbbff;" colspan="3" | [[anacron|anacron]] | [[at (Unix)|at]] | [[chroot]] | [[crontab|cron]]/[[crontab]] | [[kill (Unix)|kill]] | [[nice (Unix)|nice]] | [[ps (Unix)|ps]] | [[sleep (Unix)|sleep]] | [[GNU_Screen|screen]] | [[time (Unix)|time]] | [[timex (Unix)|timex]] | [[top (Unix)|top]] | [[nice (Unix)|renice]] | [[Wait|wait]]
|}

== The template is non-unixy ==

This template is the bulkiest and offensive template I've seen.  It's design insults the simplistic design philosophy of Unix. Simply linking to [[List of Unix programs]] and maintaining Category:Unix software seems more than adequate. --[[User:71.254.7.215|71.254.7.215]] 06:41, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
::Lists and categories are not navigational aids. And if you think its so bad, why dont you try to improve it? --[[User:larsinio|<b style="color:limegreen;">larsinio</b>]] [[User talk:larsinio|(<span style="color:orange;">poke</span>)]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/larsinio|(<span style="color:dodgerblue;">prod</span>)]]</sup> 15:13, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
: I agree with the OP, this thing is bloated?  I think the only way to improve it is to bury it.  Not to mention, this kind of stuff breaks "What links here". --[[User:Ashawley|Ashawley]] ([[User talk:Ashawley|talk]]) 05:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Wall command ==
In which unix command category should wall be included? 
Temporarily I have added it to misc !

[[User:Irfanali|IrfanAli]] 09:33, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

:It would, I think, be under the same category as <code>write</code>. I moved it. [[User:Grendelkhan|grendel]]|[[User_talk:Grendelkhan|khan]] 12:20, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

== unneeded links ==

Could we establish some criterion for what goes in here? I think tree, timex, and nkf are all pushing it, giving their limited installed base. [[User:Twinxor|Twinxor]] ''[[User_talk:Twinxor|t]]'' 15:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
: Agreed. Removed. As for criteria, [[POSIX]] should probably suffice, with some additions for [[GNU Coreutils]] etc. –[[User:EdC|EdC]] 23:11, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

== Commands in 2 sections - more and less ==

Do the '''[[more (Unix)|more]]'''and '''[[less (Unix)|less]]''' commands really need to be in both the '''File and file system management:''' section and the '''Text processing:''' section? I think one section is enough. Also, if both '''more''' and '''less''' belong here, the '''[[pg (Unix)|pg]]''' command should be here too. My opinion is that either all three commands should be included in ''only'' one section, or ''only'' 1 of the commands should be in one section - for consistency's sake. Once we decide the criteria (see above section) - that would answer this issue of which commands, but the multi-section question remains. --[[User:Unixguy|Unixguy]] 13:04, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

== Command added ==
I use the watch command alot and felt that it deserved a small article. Maybe it should be added to the template.
[[Watch_%28Unix%29]] Kidane 23:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
: Nice.  Added under '''process management'''.  Btw, Wikipedia talk page etiquette is to add new discussions at the bottom of the page. –[[User:EdC|EdC]] 04:20, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks for updating the template, and for the heads-up. :) Kidane 19:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I added "[[exit (Unix)|exit]]" to '''process management'''. Without it, it's not clear how to terminate a shell process. — [[User:Loadmaster|Loadmaster]] 17:59, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

== Messed up ==

[[exit_(unix)]] and [[mount_(unix)]] redirect elsewhere. That should not happen and should be repaired...  Seeing that I also thought of an alternative > throwing all articles in one, 'unix commands', this would be especially useful in regard to the shortness of the articles in question and the fashion to merge them with something completely irelevant. [[User:84.167.233.199|84.167.233.199]] 22:28, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

  fixed the mount (and exit iirc) redirects

== Navbox conversion ==

I've converted this into a standard navbox, which should make it more maintainable and makes better use of space. Comments? [[User:Thumperward|Chris Cunningham]] 12:30, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

:Chris (aka [[User:Thumperward]]), it looks '''much''' better now. I might even say more ''Unixy'' if that's a word. Thanks and nice job. --[[User:Unixguy|Unixguy]] 16:19, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

::I split the last four categories into separate sections, otherwise they were all bunched up together. Hopefully everyone thinks this looks better than before. — [[User:Loadmaster|Loadmaster]] 17:42, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

::: I don't think it does; that's a huge amount of additional whitespace for comparatively little benefit of clarity. Do you mind if I revert this? We need another way of making the divide clearer without introducing so much dead air. [[User:Thumperward|Chris Cunningham]] 13:47, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

:::: In light of a lack of opposition, I'm reverting to the single line for less busy categories. [[User:Thumperward|Chris Cunningham]] 23:55, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

::::: Well, it's uglier [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Unix_commands&diff=prev&oldid=150499458 that way], and it makes it harder to see the command groups. A little extra whitespace doesn't hurt, especially if it increases readability. — [[User:Loadmaster|Loadmaster]] 17:45, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

:::::: It's about a 30% increase in the navbox area. It seems bizarre that we even have a sextion for "printing" with only one link in it when we've got a "miscellaneous" section anyway. If we could recategorise the entries in the smaller sections we could give them a "real" row again without too much dead air. [[User:Thumperward|Chris Cunningham]] 10:40, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

== Cron vs Crontab ==

Why are we linking to [[crontab]] which is a redirect to [[cron]]?  My edit to reflect this reality was reverted; does this make sense to anyone else? --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] ([[User talk:Aquatiki|talk]]) 12:18, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

: This is about Unix ''commands'', not Unix ''programs''. The command used to interact with cron is {{mono|crontab}}. Once upon a time (before I merged them), Wikipedia had two separate articles for [[cron]] and [[crontab]]. And the link should just be to [[crontab]], rather than piped, in case they're split again at some point in the future. [[User:Thumperward|Chris Cunningham]] ([[User talk:Thumperward|talk]]) 12:36, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

:: I see: because we type <code>crontab</code>, and this navbox is listing "things we type."  Gotcha. --[[User:Aquatiki|Aquatiki]] ([[User talk:Aquatiki|talk]]) 05:07, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

== umask ==

Shouldn't the umask command appear somewhere ? I suggest putting it under the filesystem section as done -- [[Special:Contributions/212.74.185.158|212.74.185.158]] ([[User talk:212.74.185.158|talk]]) 10:17, 18 August 2008 (UTC) jann@practicefirms.ch

Moved umask to misc. as it is in the [[List_of_Unix_utilities|list of Unix utilities]] -- [[Special:Contributions/212.74.185.158|212.74.185.158]] ([[User talk:212.74.185.158|talk]]) 06:16, 19 August 2008 (UTC) jann@practicefirms.ch

:Actually, umask and cd (just added) manipulate the process state and are implemented on Unix as shell built-in commands for that reason. [[User:Tedickey|Tedickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 14:43, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

== The collection ==

"Locate" isn't standard on [http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xcuix.html Unix].  There are (as noted in the topic) some variants. [[User:Tedickey|Tedickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 13:05, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
: There is today 126 commands on this page. What about adding the 185 following others : 
[[addftinfo]]{{·}} [[afmtodit]]{{·}}  [[arch]]{{·}}  [[ascii]]{{·}}  [[ash]]{{·}}  [[base64]]{{·}}  [[bash]]{{·}}  [[bashbug]]{{·}}  [[bunzip2]]{{·}}  [[bzcat]]{{·}}  [[bzcmp]]{{·}}  [[bzdiff]]{{·}}  [[bzegrep]]{{·}}  [[bzfgrep]]{{·}}  [[bzgrep]]{{·}}  [[bzip2]]{{·}}  [[bzip2recover]]{{·}}  [[bzless]]{{·}}  [[bzmore]]{{·}} [[Chattr|chattr]]{{·}}  [[chcon]]{{·}} [[Chflags|chflags]]{{·}}  [[conv]]{{·}}  [[crypt]]{{·}}  [[csplit]]{{·}}  [[d2u]]{{·}}  [[date]]{{·}}  [[diff]]{{·}}  [[Domain_Information_Groper|dig]]{{·}} [[dir]]{{·}}  [[dircolors]]{{·}}  [[dirname]]{{·}}  [[dnsdomainname]]{{·}}  [[dos2unix]]{{·}}  [[dump]]{{·}}  [[dumper]]{{·}}  [[editrights]]{{·}}  [[egrep]]{{·}}  [[emacs]]{{·}}  [[eqn]]{{·}} [[ethtool]]{{·}} [[fgconsole]]{{·}}  [[ftp]]{{·}}  [[getclip]]{{·}}  [[getfacl]]{{·}}  [[gkill]]{{·}}  [[grap2graph]]{{·}}  [[grep]]{{·}}  [[grn]]{{·}}  [[grodvi]]{{·}}  [[groff]]{{·}}  [[groffer]]{{·}}  [[grog]]{{·}}  [[grolbp]]{{·}}  [[grolj4]]{{·}}  [[grops]]{{·}}  [[grotty]]{{·}}  [[groups]]{{·}}  [[gunzip]]{{·}}  [[gzexe]]{{·}}  [[gzip]]{{·}}  [[halt]]{{·}}  [[host]]{{·}} [[hostid]]{{·}}  [[hostname]]{{·}}  [[hpftodit]]{{·}}  [[igawk]]{{·}}  [[indxbib]]{{·}}  [[inetutils]]{{·}}  [[info]]{{·}}  [[infokey]]{{·}}  [[install]]{{·}}  [[install-info]]{{·}}  [[ipck]]{{·}}  [[ipcrm]]{{·}}  [[ipcs]]{{·}}  [[iptable]]{{·}}  [[joe]]{{·}}  [[join]]{{·}}  [[launchctl]]{{·}}  [[lessecho]]{{·}}  [[lesskey]]{{·}}  [[link]]{{·}}  [[lkbib]]{{·}}  [[loadkeys]]{{·}}  [[login]]{{·}} [[lookbib]]{{·}}  [[lpr]]{{·}}  [[lsmod]]{{·}}  [[mail]]{{·}}  [[ makeinfo ]]{{·}}  [[ man2dvi ]]{{·}}  [[ man2html ]]{{·}}  [[ manlint ]]{{·}}  [[ manpath ]]{{·}}  [[ md5sum ]]{{·}} [[mii-tool]]{{·}} [[ mkfifo ]]{{·}}  [[ mkgroup ]]{{·}}  [[ mknod ]]{{·}}  [[ mkpasswd ]]{{·}}  [[ mkshortcut ]]{{·}}  [[ mktemp ]]{{·}}  [[ mmroff ]]{{·}}  [[ modutils ]]{{·}}  [[ mountpoint ]]{{·}}  [[ msgtool ]]{{·}}  [[ nano ]]{{·}}  [[ nc ]]{{·}}  [[ neqn ]]{{·}}  [[ net-tools ]]{{·}}  [[ nl ]]{{·}}  [[ nohup ]]{{·}}  [[ nroff ]]{{·}}  [[ od ]]{{·}}  [[ oldfind ]]{{·}}  [[ patch ]]{{·}}  [[ printf ]]{{·}}  [[ procps ]]{{·}}  [[ ptx ]]{{·}}  [[ putclip ]]{{·}}  [[ rbash ]]{{·}}  [[ readlink ]]{{·}}  [[ readshortcut ]]{{·}}  [[ realpath ]]{{·}}  [[ rebase ]]{{·}}  [[ rebaseall ]]{{·}}  [[ refer ]]{{·}}  [[ regtool ]]{{·}}  [[ run ]]{{·}}  [[ run-parts ]]{{·}}  [[ runcon ]]{{·}}  [[ schred ]]{{·}}  [[ semstat ]]{{·}}  [[ semtool ]]{{·}}  [[ seq ]]{{·}}  [[ setfacl ]]{{·}}  [[ setmetamode ]]{{·}}  [[ sh ]]{{·}}  [[ sha1sum ]]{{·}}  [[ sha224sum ]]{{·}}  [[ sha256sum ]]{{·}}  [[ sha384sum ]]{{·}}  [[ sha512sum ]]{{·}}  [[ shadow ]]{{·}}  [[ shmtool ]]{{·}}  [[ shred ]]{{·}}  [[ shuf ]]{{·}}  [[ soelim ]]{{·}}  [[ ssh ]]{{·}}  [[ ssp ]]{{·}}  [[ stat ]]{{·}}  [[ strace ]]{{·}}  [[ stty ]]{{·}}  [[ sum ]]{{·}}  [[ sync ]]{{·}}  [[ sysklogd ]]{{·}}  [[ sysvinit ]]{{·}}  [[ tar ]]{{·}}  [[ tbl ]]{{·}}  [[ tcpdump ]]{{·}}  [[ tempfile ]]{{·}}  [[ texi2dvi ]]{{·}}  [[ texi2pdf ]]{{·}}  [[ texindex ]]{{·}}  [[ tfmtodit ]]{{·}}  [[ tracepath ]]{{·}}  [[ troff ]]{{·}}  [[ tsort ]]{{·}}  [[ tty ]]{{·}}  [[ u2d ]]{{·}}  [[ umount ]]{{·}}  [[ uncompress ]]{{·}}  [[ unexpand ]]{{·}}  [[ unix2dos ]]{{·}}  [[ unlink ]]{{·}}  [[ updatedb ]]{{·}}  [[ users ]]{{·}}  [[ util-linux ]]{{·}}  [[ vacuum ]]{{·}}  [[ vdir ]]{{·}}  [[ vdirmktemp ]]{{·}}  [[ zcat ]]{{·}}  [[ zcmp ]]{{·}}  [[ zdiff ]]{{·}}  [[ zforcecpio ]]{{·}}  [[ zgrepdate ]]{{·}}  [[ zlessdd ]] ? [[User:JackPotte|JackPotte]] ([[User talk:JackPotte|talk]]) 18:07, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
: And [[reboot]], [[init]], [[halt]] and [[shutdown]]. [[User:JackPotte|JackPotte]] ([[User talk:JackPotte|talk]]) 14:53, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

:A lot of the ones listed above aren't "Unix" commands, but are programs that happen to be available on Unix systems [[User:Tedickey|Tedickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 19:27, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, I think that we should do a clear sorting : the commands to add here and those for [[Portal:Free software]]. [[User:JackPotte|JackPotte]] ([[User talk:JackPotte|talk]]) 00:45, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
:::There it is:
{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Category !! colspan="100%" class="unsortable"| Commands
|-
| [[Unix]] || <s>[[ascii]]</s> || [[host]] || [[ifconfig]] ||
|-
| [[GNU Project]] || [[GNU arch|arch]] ||
|-
| [[Roff]] || [[addftinfo]] || [[afmtodit]] ||
|-
| [[BIND]] domain name server software suite || [[Domain_Information_Groper|dig]] ||
|-
| Others || [[ash]] || [[base64]] || [[bash]] || [[bashbug]] || [[sh]] || [[ascii]]
|}
[[User:JackPotte|JackPotte]] ([[User talk:JackPotte|talk]]) 00:14, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Actually I've understood that we've carefully respected [http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xcuix.html the XCU commands from 1997] in this template, but we can also qualify of [[Unix commands]] those from the newer [[Unix shell]]s: [[ash]], [[bash]], [[csh]], [[ksh]], [[sh]], [[tcsh]], [[rc]], [[zsh]] ? Should we create a commands template for each inside the Unix one ?  [[User:JackPotte|JackPotte]] ([[User talk:JackPotte|talk]]) 20:53, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

== dc (computer program) ==

[[dc (computer program)]] is not in the list of standard Unix utilities, per given source. [[User:Tedickey|Tedickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 20:58, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

:Neither are many of the utilities on the list, and since dc is both common and of historical interest I'm re-adding it. - [[User:DNewhall|DNewhall]] ([[User talk:DNewhall|talk]]) 16:40, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

::There are a large number of interesting programs - but only a hundred or so match the description of the topic.

:::But using your logic we need to remove at least apropos, pgrep, pkill, pidof, lsof, uptime, locate, and all the networking utilities because they are not "standard". - [[User:DNewhall|DNewhall]] ([[User talk:DNewhall|talk]]) 15:45, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

::::Sounds like a good idea [[User:Tedickey|Tedickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 20:18, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::Let's also move them into the above board in order to keep a full classification here. [[User:JackPotte|JackPotte]] ([[User talk:JackPotte|talk]]) 13:16, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

==ascii==
ascii isn't standard, isn't provided for instance on Solaris (unless one brings the source in, and compiles it there) [[User:Tedickey|Tedickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 20:46, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
:It's not included in most Linux distros either (I tried Arch Linux, Ubuntu, Gentoo), so it doesn't look like a popular thing among Unix-likes either. I'm removing. -- [[user:intgr|intgr]]&nbsp;<small>[[user talk:intgr|[talk]]]</small> 15:42, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
::Thank you, I've moved it to the ''other'' line, and removed [http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl7_ascii.htm my source] from the template page. [[User:JackPotte|JackPotte]] ([[User talk:JackPotte|talk]]) 13:12, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Despite the fact that About.com calls it a "Linux / Unix Command", the "ascii" entry is '''just a man page''' about the ASCII standard, it does not refer to any actual command. Don't use About.com as a source for this template. -- [[user:intgr|intgr]]&nbsp;<small>[[user talk:intgr|[talk]]]</small> 15:12, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

== Locate (Unix) ==

That's not found on "all distributions of Unix", but only on some.  For instance a quick check on Solaris, AIX, IRIX, Tru64 and HPUX doesn't find it (man locate, apropos locate).  As I recall it, outside of GNU utilities, it's not that well-known (although I recall that it did start off as an imitation of a program from Sun). [[User:Tedickey|Tedickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 09:57, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

== Networking ==

This section is weak since there's lack of standardization per topic as shown in [[List of Unix utilities]] [[User:Tedickey|Tedickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 10:03, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

== route ==

Can you please add [[Route_(Unix_command)|route]] to that list? [[Special:Contributions/189.60.188.102|189.60.188.102]] ([[User talk:189.60.188.102|talk]]) 17:02, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

:It doesn't appear to meet the topic's criteria [[User:Tedickey|TEDickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 17:04, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

== Spell ==

Per topic description, and [[Spell (Unix)]], this does not "come with most distributions", etc.  It's been optional (not installed by default) in most places for more than ten years. [[User:Tedickey|TEDickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 12:44, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

::This is not accurate... Spell has always been part of *Unix* (not Linux), and is available on every Unix system I ever used, including Solaris (the last remaining Unix account I have :( ), and on Fedora Linux, while the original Johnson & McIlroy code is no longer there, the "spell" command *is* available, and pipes aspell and sort -u to exactly replicate the original "spell" behavior. So basically, '''spell is available like it always was''' - it's just not as useful as it used to be. Arguably, this is just as true for many of the other Unix utilities which aren't as useful as they used to be 40 years ago - e.g., when was the last time you used od? finger? rlogin? ed??? On the other hand, I see that you have on the list things which are definitely NOT part of standard Unix, and even things where aren't even commands (e.g., "bg"), so I think this list definitely needs an overhaul...
[[User:Nyh|Nyh]] ([[User talk:Nyh|talk]]) 12:55, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

:Offhand I was recalling the *BSD's (perhaps you don't consider them Unix), which do not provide spell except as an add-on.  However, I can check the various vendor Unix's and give a summary here.  Still, "legacy" has its own meaning, which you did not respond to. [[User:Tedickey|TEDickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 13:05, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

== Unix means . . . Unix? ==

The present owner of the trademark ''UNIX'' is The Open Group, an industry standards consortium. Only systems fully compliant with and certified to the [[Single UNIX Specification]] qualify as "UNIX"

These are the tools in the SUS:
admin
alias
ar
asa
at
awk
basename
batch
bc
bg
c99
cal
cat
cd
cflow
chgrp
chmod
chown
cksum
cmp
comm
command
compress
cp
crontab
csplit
ctags
cut
cxref
date
dd
delta
df
diff
dirname
du
echo
ed
env
ex
expand
expr
false
fc
fg
file
find
fold
fort77
fuser
gencat
get
getconf
getopts
grep
hash
head
iconv
id
ipcrm
ipcs
jobs
join
kill
lex
link
ln
locale
localedef
logger
logname
lp
ls
m4
mailx
make
man
mesg
mkdir
mkfifo
more
mv
newgrp
nice
nl
nm
nohup
od
paste
patch
pathchk
pax
pr
printf
prs
ps
pwd
qalter
qdel
qhold
qmove
qmsg
qrerun
qrls
qselect
qsig
qstat
qsub
read
renice
rm
rmdel
rmdir
sact
sccs
sed
sh
sleep
sort
split
strings
strip
stty
tabs
tail
talk
tee
test
time
touch
tput
tr
true
tsort
tty
type
ulimit
umask
unalias
uname
uncompress
unexpand
unget
uniq
unlink
uucp
uudecode
uuencode
uustat
uux
val
vi
wait
wc
what
who
write
xargs
yacc
zcat

If it isn't on this list, it probably doesn't belong in the template. I'm going to be bold and remove the obvious ones like [[which (Unix)]] and [[info (Unix)]], as these aren't even in the [[Linux Standard Base]]. Please back up any arguments with an alternative suggestion for clear-cut criteria to stop years of bickering on this talk page. [[User:Krushia|Krushia]] ([[User talk:Krushia|talk]]) 00:58, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

: This is an example of someone confusing the concepts of ''prescriptive'' & ''descriptive''. This appeal to one specific standard overlooks the fact that many variants/flavors of UNIX -- & UNIX-like operating systems -- diverge in various degrees from the SUS specification. For example, I use the commands which & whereis on a regular basis, & I would consider any installation of a UNIX/UNIX-like operating system that lacked those commands critically imperfect. And there are a few other commands that experienced Linux users would be surprised to find excluded from this list, such as emacs. Further, this list includes a number of commands that are clearly obsolescent, if not obsolete, such as uucp & its related utilities. (In my 25+ years of using many different versions of UNIX & UNIX-like operating systems, I have never used or encountered an implementation of uucp, uustat or uux; I encountered uuencode/uudecode in the early 1990s occasionally, because transference of binaries was still uncommon.)

: The proper approach would be to find a midpoint between what is prescribed, & what is installed by default in the average UNIX/UNIX-like operating system. A list of commands present in an out-of-box installation of BSD & Linux operations would be the place to start, as well as with the major commercial UNIXes, such as Solaris. -- [[User:Llywrch|llywrch]] ([[User talk:Llywrch|talk]]) 21:35, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

:Actually, the ''proper approach'' would be to follow the Wikipedia guidelines.  I don't see any clue in your comments regarding the [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] which you would use for the suggested changes. [[User:Tedickey|TEDickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 09:10, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

:: If you're addressing me, Wikipedia guidelines would be to indent a bit more. Otherwise, it appears you're addressing Krushia. But {{u|Tedickey}}, what do ''you'' consider a reliable source? Proscriptions made that are not necessarily followed? Manuals of operating systems? Handbooks published by O'Reilly? Lists of utilities collected in .deb or .rpm packages? (I forget what the equivalent would be for BSD; it's been a few years since I worked with FreeBSD.) -- [[User:Llywrch|llywrch]] ([[User talk:Llywrch|talk]]) 07:31, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

== commands vs. programs & standards ==

in an inlined annotation to [[top (Unix)]] there is a comment stating that commands are those whats built into the shell (or command interpreter) whilst lots of other character sequences do refer to programs meaning console applications external to the shell. BTW some shells like [[busybox]] for the embedded sector do integrate lots of external program functionality in a multi function callable binary for the sake of saving memory footprint and maybe startup times. The overall approach of selecting a standard for the template sounds good. But please(!) tell which standard the list is based upon. Else you will only confuse the readers. Further a hint for the off-standard or 2nd standard commands/programs will help the reader much in understanding the "system". --[[User:Alexander.stohr|Alexander.stohr]] ([[User talk:Alexander.stohr|talk]]) 15:06, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

== Terminal pagers ==

{{Ping|Tedickey}} Hi. 

I just saw this revert: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Unix_commands&curid=5590893&diff=759388663&oldid=759320043 Revision 759388663]. What guideline are you talking about?

Best regards,<Br/>[[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 07:26, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

:Of the five listed, 2 were topical (the others aren't part of a ''standard'' Unix system), one was already listed anyway (and the other is rarely used) and making a new subtopic for the '''two''' would not have improved the template.  Adding lines to a template makes it less accessible, in any case.  That's in line with previous random edits (and removals) as discussed on this page [[User:Tedickey|TEDickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 09:15, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

::{{Ping|Tedickey}} On my count, that leaves out three links that are still eligible for inclusion on this template.

::In the interest of keeping the conflict to a minimum, I think you should accommodate those links yourself in a way that you see fit. Or of course, if you give me your consent, I will accommodate them somewhere in the middle.

::Best regards,
::[[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 11:01, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

:The other three are not in standard Unix.  That's easily seen from my first reply.  If you want to go into [[WP:OR|wikipedian-originated information]], you might suggest a line for text editors (there are several...).  But the topic is clearly delimited, no need for that. [[User:Tedickey|TEDickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 21:59, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

== [[Software development]] ==

I added a software development group/section to the navbox. I realize there are a huge number of such tools in general but I believe those that are listed as part of the Unix/POSIX standard should be listed here (so long as they are notable enough to have their own articles of course). Since this is a somewhat significant change I thought I would post here as a place for comments on the matter. Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/50.53.1.33|50.53.1.33]] ([[User talk:50.53.1.33|talk]]) 01:00, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

:ctags is debatable (most people would expect the compiler cc to be listed, but of course the compiler name is debatable as well). [[User:Tedickey|TEDickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 01:11, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
::debatable how? [http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/ctags.html ctags] is in the specification and apparently notable enough to have an article here (perhaps that is the part you consider debatable?). "cc" is not in the current specification (it was in issue 5 XCU: [http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xcu/cc.html cc] and [http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xcu/c89.html c89]), however, [http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/c99.html c99] and [http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/fort77.html fort77] are. They could perhaps be added as well, however, I did not find articles that directly corresponded to such things (one could argue for links like: [[c99]] and [[fortran|fort77]]). [[Special:Contributions/50.53.1.33|50.53.1.33]] ([[User talk:50.53.1.33|talk]]) 01:43, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
:ctags is debatable for the usual reasons: it is not as necessary to development as the other tools in your list, while the compiler is debatable since few people use the names that the committee settled on (cc is more commonly used -- as an alias) [[User:Tedickey|TEDickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 02:11, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
::I believe how necessary to development something is, is not really a topic for here (unless you are arguing that ctags should be in a different group in this navbox) but more of a topic for the standards committee developing SUS/POSIX. [[Special:Contributions/50.53.1.33|50.53.1.33]] ([[User talk:50.53.1.33|talk]]) 17:39, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

== Recent removals ==

Given that the current template contains aprox. a dozen or more UNIX commands that are not part of the Single UNIX specification, I am going to delete them all unless we agree that this template uses a wider definition that includes "adb", "ld" and "truss". [[User:Schily|Schily]] ([[User talk:Schily|talk]]) 10:56, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' both, although I have no idea what the criteria could be for the latter. Still, what you do is better than sitting on the fence and misinforming. —[[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 12:08, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
::Could you please explain this? I have no idea what you like to tell here. [[User:Schily|Schily]] ([[User talk:Schily|talk]]) 12:37, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
:::I thought I am being clear. You proposed we either delete several links or expand the definition. I support both, prefering the first option. Either of the two options is better than having irrelevant links. —Best regards, [[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 13:10, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
::::* Enhancing the criteria could be done as we have a separate article that lists all UNIX commands that are listed by OpenGroup.
::::* Finding the right criteria definition might be harder. How about adding commands that are part of a classical "genetic" derived UNIX? This would still need to remove a few of the commands that are currently on the list. [[User:Schily|Schily]] ([[User talk:Schily|talk]]) 13:47, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' I too support making the template adhere better to the definition, however, I believe this would be better served by making removals than expanding the definition because otherwise the navbox would become unwieldy and cease to be useful. That said, I would be open to adding more sections on [[List of Unix commands]] (which the navbox links to) to list other common Unix commands and which editions of "Unix" they were inherently a part of. I too noticed there were commands in the navbox that were not part of SUS (e.g., ssh) and considered their removal. [[Special:Contributions/50.53.1.33|50.53.1.33]] ([[User talk:50.53.1.33|talk]]) 17:33, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
: Well, the biggest problem from enhancing the definition would be to find an agreement on what should be in that enhanced list. [[User:Schily|Schily]] ([[User talk:Schily|talk]]) 13:32, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

* I fixed the first two lines.... If you do not like this, make a useful proposal... [[User:Schily|Schily]] ([[User talk:Schily|talk]]) 13:58, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

== lint ==

Does [[lint (software)|lint(1)]] belong here? I'm asking before [[WP:BOLD|being bold]] since someone mentions some "[[special:diff/769063000|guidelines for this template]]" (though I'm not sure what they are and where to find them).{{pb}}Moreover, the template's edit history shows a lot of [[special:diff/769407309|rejections]] for items that seem to be standard utilities (in Linux, at least). Can you please clarify the criteria for inclusion and what they are based on? Is it [[Single UNIX Specification|SUS]] (or some other standard), or some local consensus, or something else? The template appears to miss a lot of the existing articles. — [[user:Mike Novikoff|Mike Novikoff]] 21:20, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

:The guidelines are found in the references for this topic (things that are in the POSIX standards, and are often enough used to be useful in a template).  lint's not in the ''[http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/ standard]''. [[User:Tedickey|TEDickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 21:31, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

::So the POSIX is the limit? OK, I'll not insist, just wanted to know what's the consensus. — [[user:Mike Novikoff|Mike Novikoff]] 22:25, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

:Well, read back through the talk page - some editors would like to add something, but have not proposed a better solution based on [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] which demonstrate that the feature is considered ''standard'' (but there's been no mass discussion and negotiation). [[User:Tedickey|TEDickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 22:42, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
::{{re|Tedickey}} Strictly speaking templates aren't subject to the [[WP:Policies and guidelines]]. <span style="font-weight: bold" >[[User:Alexander_Davronov|<span style="color:#a8a8a8;">AXO</span><span style="color:#000">NOV</span>]] [[User talk:Alexander_Davronov|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Alexander_Davronov|⚑]]</span> 10:15, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

== Rename the template ==

{{diff2|1121065978|1121065659|Nov 10, 2022, 09:12}} - ''«revert - changes don't match the topic's guidelines»''

{{diff2|1044739699|1044736301|Sep 16, 2021, 20:49}} - ''«revert - not an improvement»''

{{diff2|992916291|992851401|Dec 7, 2020, 20:06}} - ''«revert - not part of the topic»''

{{diff2|884298554|884296973|Feb 20, 2019, 19:49}} - ''«revert - off-topic»''

{{diff2|864639726|864633532|Oct 18, 2018, 14:39}} - ''«revert - not topical»''

{{diff2|855807562|855733888|Aug 21, 2018, 24:06}} - ''«revert - not relevant to topic as presented»''

{{diff2|846604219|846566596|Jun 19, 2018, 19:55}} - ''«trim - not topical»''

{{diff2|845883142|845845619|Jun 14, 2018, 19:42}} - ''«revert - not related to this topic»''

{{diff2|840449116|840413832|May 9, 2018, 23:31}} - ''«revert - offtopic»''

:{{re|Tedickey}}  Volume of problems. The template title is confusing. It's evident that it's not the first time you revert useful contributions. This may eventually amount to [[WP:OWN]]ing. Given that this template is specific to Single Unix Specification 2008 (SUS2008) I propose to rename this template to '''«Unix SUS2008 utilities»''' in order to avoid confusion OR I propose convert this template to general Unix utilities list and drop requirement limiting the list to SUS2008 utilities otherwise. Any objections?
<span style="font-weight: bold" >[[User:Alexander_Davronov|<span style="color:#a8a8a8;">AXO</span><span style="color:#000">NOV</span>]] [[User talk:Alexander_Davronov|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Alexander_Davronov|⚑]]</span> 10:25, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

:Sure - I generally revert things where other editors choose to make up their own facts.  So we're here on that basis. [[User:Tedickey|TEDickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 21:08, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
::{{re|Tedickey}} But what about suggestion? It's obvious that people are coming to edit this template because they are confused and think it's general template for unix utils. It's time to change this. <span style="font-weight: bold" >[[User:Alexander_Davronov|<span style="color:#a8a8a8;">AXO</span><span style="color:#000">NOV</span>]] [[User talk:Alexander_Davronov|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Alexander_Davronov|⚑]]</span> 09:41, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

:If you chose to develop a relevant topic, there's a template for that, which you may have noticed at the top of several topics.  Developing the topic would be work (since as you may have noticed, '''none''' of the above provide a [[WP:RS|reliable source]], rather referring to ''personal experience'' [[User:Tedickey|TEDickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 10:16, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
::{{re|tedickey}} [[WP:RS]] is not required here. I simply propose to rename this template and stop pretending like it's generalized template for all unix commands. As we have seen it's been confusing editors over the last few years. It's serious issue given that you are preventing them from contributions. <span style="font-weight: bold" >[[User:Alexander_Davronov|<span style="color:#a8a8a8;">AXO</span><span style="color:#000">NOV</span>]] [[User talk:Alexander_Davronov|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Alexander_Davronov|⚑]]</span> 10:46, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

:You might consider reworking your comments so that they're not a personal attack.  Also, it would be helpful if you considered how to provide [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] to support your suggestion.  [[User:Tedickey|TEDickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 09:18, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
::{{re|Tedickey}} To rename template I don't need [[WP:RS]]. You can go to [[WP:ANI/I]] if you think this is a personal attack. <span style="font-weight: bold" >[[User:Alexander_Davronov|<span style="color:#a8a8a8;">AXO</span><span style="color:#000">NOV</span>]] [[User talk:Alexander_Davronov|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Alexander_Davronov|⚑]]</span> 15:30, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

::I see that you did anyway, but find nothing you said there that is useful.  Your personal attacks on this page violate [[WP:AGF|assume good faith]] policy, by accusing me twice of preventing others from contributing to Wikipedia, while ignoring my suggestion to develop a related topic to your own liking. [[User:Tedickey|TEDickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 15:38, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
*'''3O Comment''' - I'm commenting due to a request at [[Wikipedia:Third opinion]]. From my understanding, the disagreement seems to be over whether the template's current title matches the scope of the article. The list of diffs show removal of things that may or may not be proper Unix commands, but (I read through the entire talk page to get a better idea of the issue) they are removed because they are not ''standard''. I agree that the current situation is a problem; either the criteria for inclusion should be relaxed or the name changed to reflect the criteria. If an agreement on this matter can't be reached, perhaps an RM done via [[WP:RMCM]] would be warranted to make it clear that it's only a template for standards-compliant commands. Also [[User:Tedickey|TEDickey]], if you could [[Wikipedia:Indentation|indent your comments]] properly it would make it more clear what comments you are replying to. - [[User:Aoidh|Aoidh]] ([[User talk:Aoidh|talk]]) 20:21, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

::Sure: renaming to "Standard Unix commands" for example would address about half of the previous complaints, but '''do''' take the time to read them -- for the other half, they wouldn't be satisfied with that.  My suggestion to use a redirect template for the non-standard but "conventional" programs has not been addressed in the above comments [[User:Tedickey|TEDickey]] ([[User talk:Tedickey|talk]]) 20:35, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
:::I think moving it to "Standard Unix commands" would be a good solution, even if it doesn't solve every complaint (nothing ever does), it would be an improvement and make it more clear what the purpose of the template was. [[User:Alexander_Davronov]] do you have an issue with such a move? - [[User:Aoidh|Aoidh]] ([[User talk:Aoidh|talk]]) 20:38, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
::::{{re|Aoidh}} Thanks for 3O but it's too broad and won't fix the issue. Editors will continue to edit meanwhile {{u|tedickey}} would routinely insist criteria of [[Single_UNIX_Specification|SUS2008]] tools isn't met. There were only 4 (four) versions of [[Single UNIX Specification]] over the last two decades so renaming the template into the latest (2008) major version isn't a big deal. <span style="font-weight: bold" >[[User:Alexander_Davronov|<span style="color:#a8a8a8;">AXO</span><span style="color:#000">NOV</span>]] [[User talk:Alexander_Davronov|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Alexander_Davronov|⚑]]</span> 08:14, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

=== Requested move 20 November 2022 ===

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:''The following is a closed discussion of a [[Wikipedia:Requested moves|requested move]]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a [[Wikipedia:move review|move review]] after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. ''

The result of the move request was: '''Not moved.''' <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>  [[User:Mattdaviesfsic|Mattdaviesfsic]] ([[User talk:Mattdaviesfsic|talk]]) 09:37, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
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[[:Template:Unix commands]] → {{no redirect|Template:Single Unix Specification commands}} – Given the numerous past discussion and disputes, and a specific criteria set up for the template requiring it to comply with the list of Shell & Utilities of the [[Single Unix Specification]] it's reasonable to rename this template to a proposed name and have a conforming title in the template itself. Any objections? <span style="font-weight: bold" >[[User:Alexander_Davronov|<span style="color:#a8a8a8;">AXO</span><span style="color:#000">NOV</span>]] [[User talk:Alexander_Davronov|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Alexander_Davronov|⚑]]</span> 08:21, 20 November 2022 (UTC) <span style="font-weight: bold" >[[User:Alexander_Davronov|<span style="color:#a8a8a8;">AXO</span><span style="color:#000">NOV</span>]] [[User talk:Alexander_Davronov|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Alexander_Davronov|⚑]]</span> 08:21, 20 November 2022 (UTC) <small>—&nbsp;'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;— ''Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung'', ''[[User:Mellohi!|mello]]'''''[[User talk:Mellohi!|hi!]]''' ([[Special:Contributions/Mellohi!|投稿]]) 18:44, 29 November 2022 (UTC)</small> <small>—&nbsp;'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;[[User:GeoffreyT2000|GeoffreyT2000]] ([[User talk:GeoffreyT2000|talk]]) 20:26, 8 December 2022 (UTC)</small>
*'''Weak oppose'''. Seems like a solution looking for a problem. Either way though, the proper capitalization of the proposed name would actually be [[Template:Single UNIX Specification commands]]. [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #3F00FF;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 20:43, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
*:Noting that [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Unix_commands&diff=1124550397&oldid=1124418325 this edit] happened after my comment. The originally propose title the nominator suggested was [[Template:Single Unix Specification Commands]] (capital "C" in "Commands"). [[User:Steel1943|<span style="color: #3F00FF;">'''''Steel1943'''''</span>]] ([[User talk:Steel1943|talk]]) 17:13, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
*::{{re|Steel1943}} A minor issue. I'm going to fix this when request succeed. <span style="font-weight: bold" >[[User:Alexander_Davronov|<span style="color:#a8a8a8;">AXO</span><span style="color:#000">NOV</span>]] [[User talk:Alexander_Davronov|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Alexander_Davronov|⚑]]</span> 11:13, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' since template names are not visible in articles and no good explanation was given for why this longer more convoluted name would help. If there are previous discussions that make this more clear, why aren't they linked? [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 04:02, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
*:{{re|Dicklyon}} See the previous discussion above. Basically every discussion on this page is about this issue. You can also read the doc of the template. In short, the template was set-up by author to a include specific Unix-spec commands but bears a general name. Renaming should fix this confusion. <span style="font-weight: bold" >[[User:Alexander_Davronov|<span style="color:#a8a8a8;">AXO</span><span style="color:#000">NOV</span>]] [[User talk:Alexander_Davronov|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Alexander_Davronov|⚑]]</span> 11:11, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
*::So it's already limited to the Single Unix Specification?  And that's the only system entitled to use the Unix trademark?  I don't see why we'd need to change the template title then.  But I'll withdraw my "oppose" if I see more reasoned support. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 01:43, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
*:::{{re|Dicklyon}} Template names are visible in articles. There are many single unix specs and this template is set up for one specific. This is not reflected in the title. The title makes you think it's general template for all the unix commands in the universe. Read the previous discussion. If your opposition is mostly superficial you should take it down by a <s>strikethrough</s>. <span style="font-weight: bold" >[[User:Alexander_Davronov|<span style="color:#a8a8a8;">AXO</span><span style="color:#000">NOV</span>]] [[User talk:Alexander_Davronov|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Alexander_Davronov|⚑]]</span> 08:28, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' I agree in part with the 'solution looking for a problem', but have another concern.  These commands are typically not limited to the "Single UNIX Specification" or even UNIX as such, even though that is a defining parameter for inclusion.  Though less informative on surface, might be useful to consider [[:Template:Universal SUS Commands]] or [[:Template:Universal SUS Programs]]; these emphasize the universality of the command set, which is one key feature of the set. --User:Ceyockey (<small>''[[User talk:Ceyockey|talk to me]]''</small>) 00:30, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
*:{{re|Ceyockey}} This is contrary to documentation of the template. It strictly prohibits any commands outside of the Single Unix spec. <span style="font-weight: bold" >[[User:Alexander_Davronov|<span style="color:#a8a8a8;">AXO</span><span style="color:#000">NOV</span>]] [[User talk:Alexander_Davronov|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Alexander_Davronov|⚑]]</span> 08:31, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
*::I'm not saying it should include commands outside the SUS, but those commands are found ''in other systems too'', meaning they are not limited to the SUS though they are defined by their presence in the SUS. --User:Ceyockey (<small>''[[User talk:Ceyockey|talk to me]]''</small>) 01:10, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
*:::The falsy title still makes people to think it's a general template. This should be fixed once and for all. <span style="font-weight: bold" >[[User:Alexander_Davronov|<span style="color:#a8a8a8;">AXO</span><span style="color:#000">NOV</span>]] [[User talk:Alexander_Davronov|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Alexander_Davronov|⚑]]</span> 08:06, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

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