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== Historical ==

An older version of {{Tlx|{{PAGENAME}}}} supported only
one example parameter for the specified template, more
parameters had to be separated by {{mono|&amp;#124;}}.
This is still necessary for more than three parameters,
but otherwise the direct approach now also works. [[User:Omniplex|Omniplex]] 19:33, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

== Spaces ==
Are there any objections to removing the spaces ({{mono|&amp;#160;}}) found just inside the opening and closing brackets?  This template's peers {{tl|Tl}}, {{tl|Tls}}, and {{tl|Tlp}} do not have them. '''''×'''''[[User:Meegs|Meegs]] 22:19, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
:I see {{tl|Tlx}} does have them, though. '''''×'''''[[User:Meegs|Meegs]] 22:21, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

== Documentation ==
{{tlx|editprotected}} Please move the template's documentation to a seperate [[Template:Tlsp/doc|/doc]] page. (Replace all of the documentation here to the /doc page) '''[[User:MC10|<span style="color:#9370DB;">M</span>]][[User talk:MC10|<span style="color:#6A5ACD;">C</span>]][[Special:Contributions/MC10|<span style="color:#7B68EE;">10</span>]]&nbsp;<span style="color:#1E90FF;">{{!}}</span>&nbsp;[[User:MC10/GB|<span style="color:#4169E1;">Sign here!</span>]]''' 04:24, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
:{{done}}. Could you move things over from this page? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 09:37, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

== Request ==
{{tlp|editprotected}}
I need a fifth parameter for one example. And the protection template should really be on the documentation page (I have added it there). Could you please copy the following text to do these two minor things:

<pre>
{{[[Wikipedia:Template substitution|subst]]:[[{{ns:Template}}:{{{1|Tlsp}}}|{{{1|Tlsp}}}]]{{#if:{{{2|}}}|&#124;{{{2}}}}}{{#if:{{{3|}}}|&#124;{{{3}}}}}{{#if:{{{4|}}}|&#124;{{{4}}}}}{{#if:{{{5|}}}|&#124;{{{5}}}}}{{#if:{{{6|}}}|&#124;<i>etc.</i>}}{{#if:{{{subst|}}}|&#124;subst={{{subst}}}}}}}<noinclude>
{{Documentation}}
</noinclude>
</pre>
<span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Debresser |Debresser ]] ([[User talk:Debresser |talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Debresser |contribs]]) 13:54, 5 October 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned2 -->

: You should be able to fake this with something like <nowiki>{{tlsp|tlsp|1|2|3{{!}}4{{!}}5{{!}}6{{!}}7|and more}}</nowiki> → {{tlsp|tlsp|1|2|3{{!}}4{{!}}5{{!}}6{{!}}7|and more}}, right? I'm a bit loath to change the signature of this template since it's conceivable that someone was relying on the special behavior of the fifth parameter displaying the "etc.", right? [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 15:27, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
:: Conceivable but highly unlikely. If he were, he should have left a warning. Templates are updated once in a while, and this was to be expected. [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 15:36, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
::: Maybe, but I'm not going to look through the 1500+ transclusions. We could categorize the ones that are displaying the etc. parameter. Can't the workaround be used though? [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 15:46, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
:::: People should definitely not rely on the "etc.". Nor do I see any conceivable use. [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 15:50, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
:::: It is by far more likely that nobody expected this template would need five parameters. [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 15:51, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
::::: Well yeah, obviously it was built for four parameters. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if someone did intentionally use the "etc." though, with a template that supports a quite high number of parameters for example. If that someone was smart he supplied "''etc.''" or "..." as a fifth parameter himself, but if he just used "X" or something then he'll end up with a very weird result. I for one am not comfortable with just changing the signature of a template and hoping for the best, I'd much rather do it in a controlled way, by conditional categorization and purging of all transcluding pages, and then showing a big red [[template:error|error]] if a sixth parameter is supplied. We can also wait and see what Martin says, he's bound to show up here eventually since he's still diligently fulfilling editprotected requests.<br>But seriously, can't that workaround be used? [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 16:28, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::: I wouldn't know. Was a good idea, but looks like a perversion rather than like a workaround to me. We have a template here that can take as many parameters as needed, so that's the best course of action, IMO. [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 16:56, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Please get consensus before requesting edits. <span style="background-color:black; color:gray; font-family:New York;">[[user talk:Skomorokh|<span style="color:white;">&nbsp;Skomorokh</span>]], [[WP:BARBARIAN|<span style="color:gray;">barbarian&nbsp;</span>]]</span> 03:16, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
: Sorry. I made the request before any objections were raised, in utter faith that there is no feasable reason not to make the edit. And I still am convinced of that. [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 11:34, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
:: I don't think Skomorokh meant to imply otherwise. I certainly would have done the same. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 07:38, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

[[User:Amalthea|Amalthea]] has run some tests. There seems to be no problem with the proposed edit. Actually, now that I consider it, why not make that some more parameters. Better have them, just in case. The code would be:
<pre>
{{[[Wikipedia:Template substitution|subst]]:[[{{ns:Template}}:{{{1|Tlsp}}}|{{{1|Tlsp}}}]]{{#if:{{{2|}}}|&#124;{{{2}}}}}{{#if:{{{3|}}}|&#124;{{{3}}}}}{{#if:{{{4|}}}|&#124;{{{4}}}}}{{#if:{{{5|}}}|&#124;{{{5}}}}}{{#if:{{{6|}}}|&#124;{{{6}}}}}{{#if:{{{7|}}}|&#124;{{{7}}}}}{{#if:{{{8|}}}|&#124;{{{8}}}}}{{#if:{{{9|}}}|&#124;{{{9}}}}} {{#if:{{{10|}}}|&#124;<i>etc.</i>}}{{#if:{{{subst|}}}|&#124;subst={{{subst}}}}}}}<noinclude>
{{Documentation}}
</noinclude>
</pre>
<span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Debresser|contribs]]) 02:09, 9 October 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned2 -->
: Whoops, didn't read this before I made the change. I'm outputting an error now if too many parameters are passed instead of writing "''etc.''", which leaves no reservations in the future to just extend the number of parameters as needed without much ado. You were right, by the way, there weren't any actual usages of the "''etc.''" feature. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 07:38, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:: Hmm, you restored the editprotected request? You need more parameters right away? [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 11:34, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
::: You have run the test yourself, so you know I use 5 and even 6 of them. And it is a good idea in any case. [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 12:28, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
:::: {{diff2|318824098|I already added}} 5 and 6 this morning, that's what I meant with "made the change" above. {{tl|Catfd3/doc}} is already happy. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 12:44, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
::::: Ok. Then it's ok, I guess. [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 13:19, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

== Link change ==

{{tlx|editprotected}} Please change the link <code><nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Template substitution|subst]]</nowiki></code> to <code><nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Substitution|subst]]</nowiki></code>, as the link changed. Thanks! Cheers, <span class="plainlinks">—'''[[User:MC10|<span style="color:#9370DB;">MC10</span>]] <small><span style="color:#4169E1;">([[User talk:MC10|<span style="color:#4169E1;">T</span>]]•[[Special:Contributions/MC10|<span style="color:#4169E1;">C</span>]]•[[User:MC10/Guestbook|<span style="color:#4169E1;">GB</span>]]•[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=MC10 <span style="color:#4169E1;">L</span>])</span></small>'''</span> 17:46, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
:[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:EP --> [[User:Rambo's Revenge|<b style="color:#E32636;">Rambo's Revenge</b>]] [[User talk:Rambo's Revenge|<small><b style="color:#FFA500;">(talk)</b></small>]] 18:18, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

== (optional; no need to do this) Edit request from LikeLakers2, 19 October 2011 ==

{{FPER|answered=yes}}
<!-- Begin request -->
Please change <code><nowiki> [[Wikipedia:Substitution|subst]]:</nowiki></code> to <code><nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Substitution|subst:]]</nowiki></code>. This is basically making the colons part <s>of your delicious breakfest</s> of the link. I would request this also be done to {{tl|tls}}.

Of course, this isn't really neccesary, I just always prefered <code>subst:</code> as the text over <code>subst</code>, since it looks a bit nicer and cleaner to me.
<!-- End request -->
[[User:LikeLakers2|LikeLakers2]] ([[User talk:LikeLakers2|talk]] &#124; [[User:LikeLakers2/guestbook|Sign my guestbook!]])  02:40, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
:If it isn't necessary, then why put stress on the servers for a purely cosmetic change? →<span style="font-family:Euclid Fraktur">[[User:Σ|<span style="color:#BA0000;">Σ</span>]][[User talk:Σ|<span style="color:#003366;">τ</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Σ|<span style="color:#003366;">c</span>]].</span> 02:41, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
:We do lots of things which aren't strictly necessary but result in an impovement. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 13:34, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
::I don't think this is a good idea. At present, {{tlsp|tlsp}} has two blue links which are distinct because of the intervening colon, but putting the colon inside the first will create a situation where two blue links butt up together (the tlsp template isn't used on article pages, but if it were, having the links close together would violate [[WP:LINK#General points on linking style]], fifth bullet). --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#d30000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 23:07, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
: {{not done}} No consensus. [[User:Anomie|Anomie]][[User talk:Anomie|⚔]] 01:40, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

== Support for tag var broke ==

{{u|Primefac}}, unfortunately, [[Special:Diff/950735639|switch to {{tnull|Tlg}}]] broke support of {{tag|var}} and {{tl|var}} in parameters. See [[Template:Template link with subst and parameters/testcases|/testcases]] (at the moment sandbox has the version before {{tl|tlg}}). I've noticed because instructions at [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here|Speedy CfD]] broke:
{{tq2|
{{strong|Remember to tag the category with:}} <code>{{tlsp|Cfr-speedy|{{var|New name}}}}</code>
}}
—⁠[[User:Andrybak|andrybak]] ([[User talk:Andrybak|talk]]) 18:59, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
:{{t|tlg}} uses a nowiki on all of its parameters, but it ''does'' have an italics option. Is it the end of the world to switch uses{{u|Andrybak|?}} [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 20:48, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
::{{tl|tlp}} is also affected, for example at [[Template:Userwhisperback/doc]]. —⁠[[User:Andrybak|andrybak]] ([[User talk:Andrybak|talk]]) 21:02, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
::{{tq|{{tl|tlg}} uses a nowiki on all of its parameters}} However, {{tl|1==}} seems to be not affected: [[Special:Permalink/951581404]]. —⁠[[User:Andrybak|andrybak]] ([[User talk:Andrybak|talk]]) 21:10, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
:::Well, technically it uses a #tag:nowiki instead of the {{tag|nowiki}} pairing. Not sure why it lets through templates but not HTML. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 21:30, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
:Another CfD-related example: [[Template:Cfdnotice/doc]]. —⁠[[User:Andrybak|andrybak]] ([[User talk:Andrybak|talk]]) 21:12, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
::I've rolled things back until it can get sorted out. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 21:30, 17 April 2020 (UTC)