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==Comments==
Latnf is a problem, [[Fraktur (typeface sub-classification)|Fraktur]] letters are separately encoded at 1D56C-1D59F (bold),  1D504-1D537, pluis C: 0212D, H: 0210C, I: 02111, R: 0211C, Z: 02128, [[long s]]: 017F. Supported e.g. by [[Code2001]]. 
:{{Script|SMP|de-Latf|𝔄 	𝔅 	  ℭ	𝔇 	𝔈 	𝔉 	𝔊 	ℌ  ℑ  	  𝔍 	𝔎 	𝔏 	𝔐 	𝔑 	𝔒 	𝔓 	𝔔 	ℜ  	𝔖 	𝔗 	𝔘 	𝔙 	𝔚 	𝔛 	𝔜 	 ℨ 	𝔞 	𝔟 	𝔠 	𝔡 	𝔢 	𝔣 	𝔤  𝔥 	𝔦 	𝔧 	𝔨 	𝔩 	𝔪 	𝔫 	𝔬 	𝔭 	𝔮 	𝔯 	𝔰 	𝔱 	𝔲 	𝔳 	𝔴 	𝔵 	𝔶 	𝔷 }}
:{{Script|SMP|de-Latf|𝕬 	𝕭 	𝕮 	𝕯 	𝕰 	𝕱 	𝕲 	𝕳 	𝕴 	𝕵 	𝕶 	𝕷 	𝕸 	𝕹 	𝕺 	𝕻 	𝕼 	𝕽 	𝕾 	𝕿 	𝖀 	𝖁 	𝖂 	𝖃 	𝖄 	𝖅 	𝖆 	𝖇 	𝖈 	𝖉 	𝖊 	𝖋 	𝖌 	𝖍 	𝖎 	𝖏 	𝖐 	𝖑 	𝖒 	𝖓 	𝖔 	𝖕 	𝖖 	𝖗 	𝖘  ſ	𝖙 	𝖚 	𝖛 	𝖜 	𝖝 	𝖞 	𝖟}}

 	

<s>Choosing "Latf" should however somehow map an ascii string on these letters. </s>

another problem is [[Nasta'liq script]], considered a font variant by both Unicode and ISO 15924. This will need a solution like {{tl|cuneiform}} where the font variant can be selected by an additional parameter.
:The "Fraktur" block is intended for mathematical symbols only. Latnf should not map to those, but enforce various Fraktur typefaces. A difficult choice, since there exists a large number of these but none seems to be somehow the 'standard Fraktur' font recommended for Latnf. [[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|(𒁳)]]</small> 07:27, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

== Language codes ==

Hi, I've notice that in all scripts supported the language code is added to the HTML code (either a fixed language code for {{tl|script/Runic}}, {{tl|script/Gaelic}} or {{tl|script/Coptic}}, or 'und' for undermited if not specified in {{tl|Script/Nastaliq}}) but Hebrew and Cuneiform. Any reason why for these two scripts the language code is not included, not even 'und'? Thanks. &mdash;[[User:Suruena|surue&ntilde;a]] 21:15, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
:I am unsure if language codes should at all be included, or if we should give 'und' whenever this template is used (see above...). I guess I missed Hebrew. Cuneiform should also give 'und'. Maybe we could allow an optiona paramenter for the langauge code, and give 'und' whenever it is omitted. Feel free to fiddle with this. [[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|(𒁳)]]</small> 15:12, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

== [[Template:lang]] ==

Hello, I'd like to ask in which cases this template should be used instead of {{tl|lang}}/{{tl|rtl-lang}}. There are a lot of multilingual templates, and this confuses the user if they are for the same purposes. Couldn't this template be merged with these other more general one (via CSS styles, for example)? Best regards &mdash;[[User:Suruena|surue&ntilde;a]] 20:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
*this template is intended to address rendering issues, e.g. switching between various modes of cuneiform. There is currently no ISO code that would allow you, say, to distinguish between Old Assyrian and Neo-Assyrian cuneiform, it's all just "Xsux". A similar case is Nastaliq. Also, there are ISO scripts that are not necessarily used with a particular language, such as "Latf". 
*it is intended for cases where the script itself is under discussion. E.g., when discussing  Cyrillic letters, there is no pertinent language code except 'und' "undetermined", since the string {{script|Cyrl|А Б В Г Д Є Ж}} is not in any particular language. Granted, there is nothing wrong with just using 'und' {{lang|und|А Б В Г Д Є Ж}} since it is clear anyway that these characters are Cyrillic, no need to annotate that.
[[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|(𒁳)]]</small> 19:16, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

:I see, these aren't easy use cases... :-) First of all, it is worth noting that these are very "rare" cases, I mean, only a few people will really write about these topics. My main objection with this template is that it is not needed to enforce the language code (because in some cases this is the purpose of the template, of course, adding the 'und' language code). So I'm afraid of wikipedians widely using this script template to tag normal words, i.e. where the language should be specified. So as you said, for the second case, when the script itself is being discussed it is easy to document that the editors should use {{tl|lang}} with the undetermined language code. For the case about specifying the cuneiform epoch, I think that this is a difficult topic: few people has installed a font for rendering cuneiform (there are even no fonts available for all the different epochs), so I would rather use images rather than forcing the wikipedians to install multiple fonts. However, if a template is really needed for this usage, I must say that I suppose this is one of those few cases where a specific {{tl|cuneiform}} template should be created (again). Even if there are more ancient languages where the epoch should be specified, I not sure whether a common template should be created to handle them because it would be misused very easily. Finally, for the case about Nasta'liq, I would like to ask if a possible solution is to employ this callygraphy when the language is Persian, Pashto or Urdu (in the CSS, e.g. via {{tl|lang}}). I really think your template is awesome, and in fact I think a lot of its functionality should be added to template lang, but in my opinion only the minimum number of multi-language templates should be available otherwise editors would be confused, and this script template can be easily (and it is being) misused. We can create private language/script codes for the Wikipedia (in fact, we will have to create and document private language code for transliterations, until the W3C creates a standard solution). What do you think? Best regards, &mdash;[[User:Suruena|surue&ntilde;a]] 21:04, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

surueña, this template is ''intended'' to address the "difficult cases". It should ''only'' be used by people who know what they are doing, and I do not suggest that it should be used widely. However, there are a few cases where it is (still) necessary to use it: the enforcing of script variants that are considered font variants by Unicode (Latf, Latg, variants of Xsux and Ital). These are the rare cases where we are ''forced'' to give a list of known fonts for those users who have them installed. Obviously, if a system doesn't have a font with the script, there is nothing we can do to render it. How this template should and should not be used should be stated in its documentation, as with every other template. I would be happy with a good css solution for Nastaliq though. For Latg, since we don't want Irish rendered in Latg by default, this could be done in the css for "ga-Latg", "mga-Latg" and "sga-Latg", exclusively. Similarly, "de-Latf", "en-Latf" etc. Similarly, for Xsux, we could distinguish "sux-Xsux" and "akk-Xsux". Unfortunately, "akk-Xsux" could be either Old or Neo-Assyrian (but the difference between the Old and the Neo-Assyrian script is considerable -- I know there are no widespread fonts ''yet'', I'm looking into the future here). As I say in the doc, I never even got round to addressing Hani, this should be done cleanly in the css. Since Unicode is now recognizing Coptic as separate, this is not a problem any more, but we still do need a disambiguation of the various Old Italic scripts (Ital). No, I do not think we should introduce idiosyncratic language or script codes. If there are no ISO codes, we should use specialized templates, not the css. [[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|(𒁳)]]</small> 15:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

:there are other cases, such as {{tl|Coptic}} and {{tl|Hebrew}} that are here only for historical reasons. These should indeed be addressed in the css, and after that, use of the script template should be deprecated. But they have to be addressed ''properly'' first. Thus, for Hebrew, the css should anticipate all of "he", "yi", "yi-Hebr", "lad-Hebr", "ar-Hebr", "und-Hebr", and if possible any "...-Hebr" code. [[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|(𒁳)]]</small> 11:44, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

== Protection? ==

Maybe the template needs [[:Template:pp-template]] potection. But: about 100 links, no more. Anyway, I separated the documentation. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 22:11, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

== FreeSans vs Free Sans ==

See [[MediaWiki_talk:Common.css#FreeSans_vs_Free_Sans]] --<span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] <sup>'''([[User talk:John Vandenberg|chat]])'''</sup></span> 16:14, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

== Automatic right-to-left handling? ==

Is there any way text in an individual language can be automatically enclosed within a right-to-left span tag using this template? ᛭ [[User:LokiClock|LokiClock]] ([[User talk:LokiClock|talk]]) 23:49, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

: I finally found the subpages that hold script-specific code, such as [[Template:Script/Runic]], so this is solved. ᛭ [[User:LokiClock|LokiClock]] ([[User talk:LokiClock|talk]]) 13:07, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

== Nastaliq musn't be used for unrelated languages ==

That phrase <code><nowiki>{{script|Arab|أبجدية عربية}}</nowiki></code> specifies that the computer must show Arabic letters with a [[Nastaliq]] font. '''It's a fault''', because Nastaliq isn't the regular way of rendering Arabic letters. Do something, to make the code, instead, choose an appropriate font, such as those specified there {{tl|script/Arabic}}. The problem also affects rendering Arabic letters with that template {{tl|Phoenician glyph}}. If it is intended that Nastaliq fonts be used for Urdu or languages which may use that style regularly, then its OK, but please, make sure that not all Arabic script languages be shown that way. <small>--[[User:Mahmudmasri|Mahmudmasri]] ([[User talk:Mahmudmasri|talk]]) 04:40, 23 June 2011 (UTC)</small>

== Aegean font-face for Old Persian ==

Could someone add the Aegean font-face for the Xpeo language code? Thanks! [[Special:Contributions/96.241.150.64|96.241.150.64]] ([[User talk:96.241.150.64|talk]]) 18:52, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
*{{Replyto|96.241.150.64}} done.--[[User:唐吉訶德的侍從|El caballero de los Leones]] ([[User talk:唐吉訶德的侍從|talk]]) 03:25, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

== Andalus Script Style ==
HI, I SEE YOU USE LOT OF STYLE, IN TEMPLATE…
* {{tlf|Script|Arab|أبجدية عربية}}&lrm; &rarr; {{Script|Arab|أبجدية عربية}}&lrm; <small>(uses {{tl|Script/Arabic}})</small>
* {{tlf|Script|fa-Arab|فارسی}}&lrm; &rarr; {{Script|fa-Arab|فارسی}} <small>(uses {{tl|Script/Nastaliq}})</small>
* {{tlf|Script|ps-Arab|پښتو}}&lrm; &rarr; {{Script|ps-Arab|پښتو}} <small>(uses {{tl|Script/Nastaliq}})</small>
* {{tlf|Script|ur-Arab|اُردُو}}&lrm; &rarr; {{Script|ur-Arab|اُردُو}} <small>(uses {{tl|Script/Nastaliq}})</small>

BUT I NEED, THE ANDA‑LUSIA ONE (WINDOWS MONOTYPE ANDALUS),
WHO IS THE PERFECT SYNTHESIS BETWEEN ARABIC & HEBREW,
UNIFYING FONT SHARING COMMON VALUE,
THAT WOULD BE MY FONTS IN TAÔQODÊKRÊSË PROJECT…
 
I NEED THAT TEMPLATE, TO AVOID TO WRITE LONG COMMAND :
<pre>
<font size="4px"><span style="font-family:Alndasuë,Andalus">[[wikt:سفراء#Arabic|سفراء]]</span></font>
</pre>
 
I ALREADY VRITTEN TO MONOTYPE TO ASK TO ADD PERSIAN, URDU KURDISH & SUPPLEMENT IN IT…

--[[User:Nemzag|ͰΑΘϷΕΝΑΝΑΤΕΣ‑ΥΣ (dôr.) ΗΤϷΑΝΑΝΘΕΣ‑ΟΣ (att.) ͿΗϷΑΟΛΙΕΥϷΟΛϜƏ Α̃ΜΑΝΓΖΕΔͿƏ - <span style="font-size: x-large;"><span style="font-family:ALNDASUË,Andalus">حطشأنانثس يشأعليهوسعلۋ أمنجزهدي</span></span>]] ([[User talk:Nemzag|talk]]) 11:33, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

== Runes going the wrong way ==

Could someone help us out over at [[Talk:Thor#Runes]]? The runes are going the wrong way now, apparently due to a recent template edit. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth|talk]]) 18:49, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

:After some trial and error in the sandboxes I have managed to fix the template for script/runr to take an "rtl" parameter in order to display runic text with right-to-left directionality (of course in rtl mode the individual runic letters should be mirrored, but that is done at the font level using OpenType, which may not work even if the runic font supports rtl mirroring ...). [[User:BabelStone|BabelStone]] ([[User talk:BabelStone|talk]]) 00:51, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

::Thank you! [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth|talk]]) 11:45, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

== Inscriptional Parthian ==

I'm confused by the change from "Inscriptional Parthian" to "Pahlavi" on Template:Script and its doc page for ISO 15924 code <code>Prti</code> ([[Inscriptional Parthian]]). {{Ping|DePiep}} Can you shed some light on it? What am I missing? [[User:Drmccreedy|DRMcCreedy]] ([[User talk:Drmccreedy|talk]]) 23:07, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
:[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Script&diff=1005883871&oldid=1005880552&diffmode=source This] edit I made. The change is, for {{para|1|Prti}}: instead of calling 
::{{tl|Script/Inscriptional Parthian}} {{nay}},
::{{tl|Script/Pahlavi}} {{aye}}
:is called (transcluded).

:Obviously, {{No redirect|Template:Script/Inscriptional Parthian}} is a ''redirect''. The edit makes {{tlf|Script}} skipping that redirect, calling the target template directly. Since all is in the background (not visible for editores using {{tlf|Script}} in an article), for regular editors nothing changes, they can use {{tlf|Script}} as before. This is also why I think this is not controversial. HTH -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 23:28, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
::I understand now.  Was confusing script Prti with ISO 15924 Prti.  I now see that the fonts for Inscriptional Parthian are covered.  Thanks. [[User:Drmccreedy|DRMcCreedy]] ([[User talk:Drmccreedy|talk]]) 23:49, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
:::Yes, this is causing headaches over here too ;-)
:::We have ''four'' ID's for a single script: enwiki-article, Wikidata-item, ISO-alpha4, Unicode alias. ({{tl|ISO 15924/overview-4id}})
:::Then, with these four, there is still the issue: show them correct! Is where {{tlf|Script}} comes in, and css and preferred fonts.
:::So we need more edits sure ;-) -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 01:47, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

== Mtei, Meithei worsening in chrome ==

In Chrome, the Mtei/Meithei font ''worsens'' by using the script template. Demo from the /doc:

* {{tlf|Script |{{mono|1=Mtei}} |ꯃꯤꯇꯩ ꯃꯌꯦꯛ}} &rarr; {{Script|Mtei|ꯃꯤꯇꯩ ꯃꯌꯦꯛ}} <small>(uses {{tl|Script/Meithei}})</small>

In Chrome, the lefthand Mtei text shows its characters, the righthand does not (placeholders only). -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 13:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

== az-Arab, fa-Arab ==

In article [[Miandoab]] (Azerbaijan city), {{tl|Script}} is called with {{para|1|az-Arab}}. Which Arab specification  should {{tlf|Script}} use? 

* <nowiki>{{lang|fa|مياندوآب}}</nowiki> (fa, so pre-1929?)
* <nowiki>{{lang|az|Qoşaçay}}</nowiki> (post-1991 Latin?)

:I have set (added): <code><nowiki>|fa-Arab|az-Arab = {{script/Nastaliq|1={{{2}}}|2=fa}}</nowiki></code> [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Script&diff=prev&oldid=1007946075&diffmode=source]. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 19:21, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

== Checks ==
:{{hatnote|I have started making notes in February 2021, when working on IDs & templates re Unicode, ISO15924, enwiki, and Wikidata. Working to align these. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 22:20, 23 February 2021 (UTC)}}
===Smrt, Samaritan===
* I have removed faulty 'ISO code' {{mono|Smrt}} {{nay}}. Code {{mono|Samr}} {{aye}} is still available for [[Samaritan]]. "Smrt" was not used as input anywhere in 1322 enwiki pages. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 20:14, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

===Hano, Hanunoo ===
*{{mono|Hano}} for [[Hanunuo script]] appears twice in the #switch-list: 
:{{code|1={{!}}Hano}} &rarr; {{tl|Script/Hanunoo}})
:{{code|1={{!}}#default= ... {{!}}Hano}} &rarr; {{code|1=class="Script-Hano"}} (btw uppercase S?)
:The second one will never fire.

:Template explansion demo (Xpeo=via #default):
<pre>
* {{script|Hano|FooBar}}
* {{script|Xpeo|FooBar}}
</pre>
:&rarr;
<pre>
* <templatestyles src="Script/styles_hanunoo.css" /><span class="script-hanunoo">FooBar</span>
* <templatestyles src="Script/styles.css" /><span class="script-Xpeo">FooBar</span>
</pre>
-[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 20:28, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

::'''Compare''' option added [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Script&diff=prev&oldid=1005867119&diffmode=source]. Now {{para|1|Hanunoo}} is recognised and will be solved throug the #default=-route (class=...). 
<pre>
* {{script|Hano|FooHanoBar}}
* {{script|Hanunoo|Foo-hnoo-Bar}}
* {{script|Xpeo|FooXpeoBar}}
</pre>
:&rarr;
<pre>
* <templatestyles src="Script/styles_hanunoo.css" /><span class="script-hanunoo">FooHanoBar</span>
* <templatestyles src="Script/styles.css" /><span class="script-Hano">Foo-hnoo-Bar</span>
* <templatestyles src="Script/styles.css" /><span class="script-Xpeo">FooXpeoBar</span>
</pre>

:I cannot judge which option serves the best font rendering (Firefox, Chrome: no difference). -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 20:48, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
====Using Nanunoo script====
* {{script|Hano|ᜥ ᜥᜲ ᜥᜳ ᜥ᜴}}
* {{script|Hanunoo|ᜥ ᜥᜲ ᜥᜳ ᜥ᜴}}

<pre>
* {{script|Hano|ᜥ ᜥᜲ ᜥᜳ ᜥ᜴}}
* {{script|Hanunoo|ᜥ ᜥᜲ ᜥᜳ ᜥ᜴}}
* {{script|Xpeo|ᜥ ᜥᜲ ᜥᜳ ᜥ᜴}}
</pre>
<pre>
* <templatestyles src="Script/styles_hanunoo.css" /><span class="script-hanunoo">ᜥ ᜥᜲ ᜥᜳ ᜥ᜴</span>
* <templatestyles src="Script/styles.css" /><span class="script-Hano">ᜥ ᜥᜲ ᜥᜳ ᜥ᜴</span>
* <templatestyles src="Script/styles.css" /><span class="script-Xpeo">ᜥ ᜥᜲ ᜥᜳ ᜥ᜴</span>
</pre>

result:
* {{script|Hano|ᜥ ᜥᜲ ᜥᜳ ᜥ᜴}}
* {{script|Hanunoo|ᜥ ᜥᜲ ᜥᜳ ᜥ᜴}}
* {{script|Xpeo|ᜥ ᜥᜲ ᜥᜳ ᜥ᜴}}
:(late sign: -02:37, 10 February 2021 (UTC))

===Geok and Geor, Georgian===
In Unicode, '''Geok''' (Khutsuri, {{slink|Georgian scripts|Nuskhuri}}?!) and '''Geor''' ({{slink|Georgian scripts|Mkhedruli}})  are not distinguished: both are named "Georgian" (Unicode Alias name) {{ISO 15924/unicode-chapter|1=Geok|format=pdf}}. Therefor it is plausible that the 'covering' scripts will cover both scripts together (I cannot prove though).
 
However, in {{tlf|Script}} Geor now is handled as non-specified.
<pre>
* {{script|Geok|ⴌⴓⴑⴞⴓⴐⴈ}}
* {{script|Geor|ⴌⴓⴑⴞⴓⴐⴈ}}
</pre>
:&rarr;
<pre>
* <templatestyles src="Script/styles_khutsuri.css" /><span class="script-khutsuri">ⴌⴓⴑⴞⴓⴐⴈ</span>
* <templatestyles src="Script/styles.css" /><span class="Unicode">ⴌⴓⴑⴞⴓⴐⴈ</span>
</pre>
* {{script|Geok|ⴌⴓⴑⴞⴓⴐⴈ}} -- Geok
* {{script|Geor|ⴌⴓⴑⴞⴓⴐⴈ}} -- Geor

;Questions
:Shouldn't they be merged (=treated as one by {{tlf|Script}})? -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 21:19, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

===Cakm and Chak, Chakma ===
* {{mono|Chak}} {{nay}} is not an existing ISO code. To be removed. {{mono|Cakm}} {{aye}} is OK, and should handle [[Chakma script]] without change.
::Chak is not used as input in the ~1300 transcluding pages. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 22:19, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

===Syre, Surj, Syrn, Syrc: Syriac===
In Unicode, {{mono|Syrc}} envelopes all four scripts. Interestingly, {{mono|Syrc}} (-c) is not recognised in {{tlf|Script}} and so is handled by "class=Unicode" (uppercase?). 

<pre>
* {{Script |Syre |ܐܣܛܪܢܓܠܐ}} --e
* {{Script |Syrj |ܣܪܛܐ}} --j
* {{Script |Syrn |ܡܕܢܚܝܐ}} --n
* {{Script |Syrc |e-ܣܛܪܢܓܠܐj-ܣܪܛܐn-ܡܕܢܚܝܐ}} --c
</pre>
:&rarr;
<pre>
* <templatestyles src="Script/styles_syriac.css" /><span class="script-Syre" dir="rtl" style="font-size: 125%;" lang="syc-Syre">ܐܣܛܪܢܓܠܐ</span>&lrm; --e
* <templatestyles src="Script/styles_syriac.css" /><span class="script-Syrj" dir="rtl" style="font-size:125%;" lang="syc-Syrj">ܣܪܛܐ</span>&lrm; --j
* <templatestyles src="Script/styles_syriac.css" /><span class="script-Syrn" dir="rtl" style="font-size:125%;" lang="syc-Syrn">ܡܕܢܚܝܐ</span>&lrm; --n
* <templatestyles src="Script/styles.css" /><span class="Unicode">e-ܣܛܪܢܓܠܐj-ܣܪܛܐn-ܡܕܢܚܝܐ</span> --c
</pre>
* {{Script |Syre |ܐܣܛܪܢܓܠܐ}} --e
* {{Script |Syrj |ܣܪܛܐ}} --j
* {{Script |Syrn |ܡܕܢܚܝܐ}} --n
* {{Script |Syrc |e-ܣܛܪܢܓܠܐj-ܣܪܛܐn-ܡܕܢܚܝܐ}} --c

:Todo: consider & research merging all four. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 23:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

;Renamed, technical move only 
* {{tl|Script/Serto}} &rarr; {{tl|Script/Syrj}}
* {{tl|Script/Mdnh}} &rarr; {{tl|Script/Syrn}}
* {{tl|Script/Strng}} &rarr; {{tl|Script/Syre}}
:-[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 01:59, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

===Latn, Latin===
It confuses me that script ID "{{mono|Latn}}" (=Latin script) makes {{tlf|Script}} to use {{tl|Script/Classical and Medieval Latin}}. Does indicate it uses specific scripts.

As I understand it, the Latin script is the universal script at enwiki, enveloping all Latn characters, including those derived (like Polish diacritics and IPA). Yes it could include Medieval forms, as it also includes --per Unicode spources-- the IPA characters.

So it would be problematric when an editor enters "{{para|1=1|2=Latn}}" in the reasonable expectation that it will render all characters, not just a-b-c, as expected. Not {{tlf|Script}} changing the font to medieval, and maybe even start missing out IPA-characters. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 00:00, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

===Bugi, Lontara===
{{tl|Unicode chart Buginese}} has local font family set. To disentangle, check Bugi <=?=> Lontara. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 21:00, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

===Mong, Mongolian===
{{right|1={{MongolUnicode|ᠮᠣᠩᠭᠣᠯ ᠪᠢᠴᠢᠭ᠌}}}}
:''About [[Mongolian script]], {{tl|MongolUnicode}}. Is in Unicode, alias:"Mongolian"; WD [[:d:Q1055705]].''
'''{{tl|MongolUnicode}}''' is a a well-working Script template at enwiki. It nicely handles vert/hor options, and style settings like font-size.
Used in 900+ articles (and 5000 times in there). I am looking to get it channeled through this {{tlf|Script}}, without disruption. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 22:33, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

===Shrd, Shahara===
About {{tl|Script/Sharada}}, used [[Template:Unicode chart Sharada|here]]. {{tl|Script/styles sharada.css}} exists, but is not called by {{tlf|Script/Sharada}} (the css is not transcluded/used at all). Is this intended or by mistake? If intended, we should delete the css file; otherwise we should update {{tlf|Script/Sharada}}, I assume. {{ping|Malurian123}} any idea? -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 15:07, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
:If I recall correctly, I created the css and only after that I realized that {{tl|Script/Sharada}} already existed without any css transclusion. [[User:Malurian123|Malurian123]] ([[User talk:Malurian123|talk]]) 16:33, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
::OK, thanks. Now, should {{tlf|Script/Sharada}} use {{mono|1=/styles sharada.css}}? If that was your plan, please make the edit. I am not very familiar with TemplateStyles. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 21:54, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I guess so. [[User:Malurian123|Malurian123]] ([[User talk:Malurian123|talk]]) 03:41, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

===Hmng, Pahawh Hmong===
{{ping|AlphaLaugh|Malurian123}} About {{tl|Script/Pahawh Hmong}} and {{tl|Script/styles pahawh hmong.css}}.

The /styles subtemplate is not used in the {{tl|Script/Pahawh Hmong}} parent. By intention, or to be corrected? 

(BTW, as of today <s>main template {{tl|Script/Pahawh Hmong}} is not used</s> ''wrong'' ). -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 23:13, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
:Sorry, I was not involved in creating either template. [[User:Malurian123|Malurian123]] ([[User talk:Malurian123|talk]]) 03:41, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

== more protection? ==

This template currently has 1600+ transclusions, and it often appears in lead sections. Does anyone mind if we elevate its protection, as the risk of vandalism seems high? --[[User:Joy|Joy &#91;shallot&#93;]] ([[User talk:Joy|talk]]) 07:59, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{Template parameter usage|Script}}: 11k tc's in 862 articles. However, I did not see any vandalisme. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 11:55, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

== Cuneiform template errors ==

[[File:SAG.png|thumb|right]]
[[Template:Script/Cuneiform]], which renders Akkadian cuneiform characters, is supposed to be able to display both Classical Sumerian and Neo-Assyrian signs, by adding a number, 4 for Sumerian and 7 for Neo-Assyrian. Currently, the template only displays Classical Sumerian signs regardless of the input: {{cuneiform|4|𒊕}} and {{cuneiform|7|𒊕}} look the exact same when they are supposed to look quite different (see numbers 4 and 7 in the image to the right). This is an issue since articles using the cuneiform template for Neo-Assyrian stuff, such as the Neo-Assyrian kings, produce correct Akkadian spellings but with antiquated signs that would not have been used by these figures themselves. The article on [[Sinsharishkun]] renders his name as 𒀭𒈗𒃻𒌦 while he himself rendered it as [[File:Sinsharishkun in Akkadian.png|94x94px]] (the same four signs having undergone ~2000 years of development). Hopefully this is a fixable issue given that the template is supposed to support both renditions. [[User:Ichthyovenator|Ichthyovenator]] ([[User talk:Ichthyovenator|talk]]) 09:48, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
:Apparently this issue is not experienced by everyone (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Antiquistik#Akkadian_cuneiform here]) - but for me the template does not display Sumerian and Neo-Assyrian differently (showing Sumerian regardless of input), which is an issue since some readers will thus not see them differently either. Even if it does work, it also appears that some signs (particularly 𒌶 apparently) do not display in Neo-Assyrian even for those who do see the template correctly. [[User:Ichthyovenator|Ichthyovenator]] ([[User talk:Ichthyovenator|talk]]) 10:30, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
:: All this depends on what fonts you have installed. For me, according to my browser's Inspector, the <code>4</code> text displays with Segoe UI Historic (a font not specified by the CSS added by the template, but chosen by my browser) and the <code>7</code> text with Noto Sans Cuneiform. (They are not perceptibly different, which is odd; perhaps one has borrowed glyphs from the other or they both derived glyphs from a common source.) If you haven't got any of the fonts specified in either the <code>4</code> or the <code>7</code> CSS, you'll probably have the same font applied to both. For how to identify the font used by the browser, I wrote [[wikt:Wiktionary:Unicode#Identifying a font]] because this keeps coming up in Wiktionary discussions.
:: From my experience on Wiktionary, I've concluded that the only way to really solve this issue is with webfonts. Without webfonts users have to install one of the fonts specified in the CSS. Neither Wiktionary nor Wikipedia loads webfonts anywhere that I've noticed, but Wikisource has [[mw:Extension:UniversalLanguageSelector]] installed, which loads webfonts, as described in [[s:Template:Lang/doc#Web Fonts]]. — [[User:Erutuon|Eru]]·[[User talk:Erutuon|tuon]] 17:31, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
===Unicode===
:::Does Unicode have this distinction? [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 20:18, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
:::: As in different code points for different historical forms of cuneiform characters? I'm not very familiar with cuneiform, but no in the case of the character mentioned above, 𒊕 (U+12295 CUNEIFORM SIGN SAG), and perhaps no in general. — [[User:Erutuon|Eru]]·[[User talk:Erutuon|tuon]] 23:23, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::Yes, that distinction to look for. Cuneiform in Unicode is described in Chapter 11 [https://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode13.0.0/ch11.pdf]. 
:::::11.1 Cuneiform, Sumero-Akkadian; 11.2 Ugaritic; 11.3 Old Persian.
:::::Identified as script ([[ISO 15924]]), but currently not in Unicode: Proto-cuneiform numerals, {{slink|Proto-Elamite |Proto-Elamite script}}. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 08:04, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

::: I see. I'll look into trying to install the right fonts and see if I can see the change. Given that the fonts in this case can distinguish between different stages of the cuneiform script and I'd wager many readers miss the needed fonts in the same way I do, I still think that perhaps there should be some solution which doesn't require readers to install new fonts to see the text correctly. Without the correct fonts, the names of the Neo-Assyrian kings display in Classic Sumerian cuneiform, which is anachronistic to say the least. As I also mentioned, some signs (𒌶) apparently do not display correctly in Neo-Assyrian even if the fonts are installed. [[User:Ichthyovenator|Ichthyovenator]] ([[User talk:Ichthyovenator|talk]]) 16:26, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
:::: The solution that doesn't require users to install fonts is an extension that loads webfonts, which I mentioned above. — [[User:Erutuon|Eru]]·[[User talk:Erutuon|tuon]] 02:11, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
::::: Right. I'm not able to implement something like that but perhaps someone more knowledgeable would be able to take a look when they have the time. [[User:Ichthyovenator|Ichthyovenator]] ([[User talk:Ichthyovenator|talk]]) 08:05, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::: I think webfonts require the help of the Wikimedia developers. The extension that provides webfonts on Wikisource, [[mw:Extension:UniversalLanguageSelector|UniversalLanguageSelector]] extension is [[Special:Version#mw-version-ext-other-UniversalLanguageSelector|already installed on Wikipedia]], but I haven't seen evidence that it provides webfonts and the [[Template:Lang/doc#Web_Fonts|page on Wikisource]] seems to indicate that it doesn't provide webfonts for different styles of cuneiform (I only see Akkadian mentioned, not Sumerian or Hittite or Old Persian). So perhaps you would need to find free fonts for different styles of cuneiform, obtain consensus for webfonts through a Wikipedia discussion, and then write a [[phab:|Phabricator]] request to ask the Wikimedia developers to turn on the webfont feature of the extension and to add free webfonts for different styles of cuneiform to the extension. I'm guessing here though because I haven't seen how they got it set up on Wikisource. — [[User:Erutuon|Eru]]·[[User talk:Erutuon|tuon]] 18:02, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
* I think when Unicode does not differentiate, the font-setting will be complicated (unsolved) forever. These are the current options in {{tlf|Script/Cuneiform}}:
{{collapse top|title=cuneiform scrip options|bg=#ccc}}
:from documentation:
<pre>
|sux|4 = Akkadian" title="Classical Sumerian cuneiform"

|akk|elx|xeb|xhu|5 = Akkadian" title="Neo-Sumerian cuneiform"

|hit = UllikummiA, Assurbanipal, CuneiformNA,'Noto Sans Cuneiform'" title="Hittite cuneiform"<!-- preference for Ullikummi, later cuneiform styles as last resort --!>

|xht|xlu|6 = 'Free Idg Serif',Akkadian,'Noto Sans Cuneiform','Noto Sans Sumero-Akkadian Cuneiform','Segoe UI Historic';" title="Old Assyrian cuneiform"<!-- use Akkadian, Noto, and Segoe as last resort -->

|7 = CuneiformNA,Assurbanipal,Akkadian,'Noto Sans Cuneiform','Noto Sans Sumero-Akkadian Cuneiform','Segoe UI Historic';" title="Neo-Assyrian cuneiform"<!-- use Akkadian, Noto, and Segoe as last resort -->

|peo = Behistun, Aegean, 'Old Persian';" title="Old Persian cuneiform"

|#default = 'Segoe UI Historic','Akkadian','Noto Sans Cuneiform','Noto Sans Sumero-Akkadian Cuneiform';" title="cuneiform text"
</pre>
{{collapse bottom}}
That is: six ID's + default. How dow we ever think to solve this? -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 19:21, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

== Cuneiform template problems ==

[[Template:Script/Cuneiform]] renders the Neo-Assyrian forms of most cuneiform signs, however it refuses to render some signs such as 𒌶 and 𒉢, which appear no different from the Sumerian forms when I use the code for Neo-Assyrian in the template. [[User:Antiquistik|Antiquistik]] ([[User talk:Antiquistik|talk]]) 15:44, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

== Other fonts ==

Is there any way for users to allow other fonts to be used?  On one of the machines I use, the only Tai Tham font I can use (Da Lekh) is not on the list, and the only way I can get it to be used is to remove the {{tlx|Script|Lana}} wrapper.  On Wiktionary I can get round the problem by editing my custom CSS file, but the template here works differently.  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:RichardW57m|RichardW57m]] ([[User talk:RichardW57m#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/RichardW57m|contribs]]) 09:39, 9 November 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Typo in visual editor view ==

The description for the text parameter says "The text in the script demacrated" in visual editor view. [[User:Flod logic|flod logic]] ([[User talk:Flod logic|talk]]) 07:55, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 September 2022 ==

{{Edit extended-protected|Template:Script|answered=yes}}
please add <noformat>|Kawi = {{Script/Kawi|1={{{2}}}}}</noformat>

[[User:Niomi13|<span style="background:#1d9ffc; color:white; padding:5px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">펑홍한</span>]][[User talk:Niomi13|<span style="background:#79c0f2;color:white; padding:2px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">talk</span>]] 03:58, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
:Done [[User:Drmccreedy|DRMcCreedy]] ([[User talk:Drmccreedy|talk]]) 19:02, 28 September 2022 (UTC)