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== Similar/Alternative languages ==
I think there should be a "Similar/alternative languages" item in this infobox. How do I make that happen? [[User:-Barry-|-Barry-]] 03:57, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
:Someone in IRC just told me I should edit this page. If that's all that's needed to use the added item in another article, it should be mentioned that this article isn't just documentation on how to use the infobox. It actually allows you to change how the template works in the article. [[User:-Barry-|-Barry-]] 04:14, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
::Didn't work. Still need to know how to change the template. [[User:-Barry-|-Barry-]] 04:24, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

== Turing complete? ==

Is the "Turing complete" item really necessary?  As the article on [[Turing completeness]] says, "''Most programming languages, conventional and unconventional, are Turing-complete ... It is difficult to find examples of non-Turing complete languages''".  Are there any languages that have articles where the value of this item would be "no"?  If not, isn't it somewhat superfluous?  [[User:Oli Filth|Oli Filth]]<sup>([[User talk:Oli Filth|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Oli_Filth|contribs]])</sup> 08:36, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

:Can we please lose the "turing complete" thing, per Oli Filth?! It's a silly and unnecessary distraction.  The vast majority of PLs ''are'' Turing complete.  It's definitely noteworthy in the articles of those few that are not, but [[Charity (programming language)]] or [[SQL-92]] can note that fact in their leads.  We don't use fields for topics where 99% of the uses share a value (let alone for a boolean value).... it would be like adding a field for "Text based": there are a ''few'' PLs that use icons rather than text, but not enough to change the box.  Or probably even "Non-English keywords" is sufficiently rare not to get a field, as another example. [[User:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters|<span style="color:darkgreen;">LotLE</span>]]×[[User talk:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters|<span style="color:darkred; font-size:x-small;">talk</span>]] 21:05, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

== 'hello world' addition ==
{{Infobox programming language
 | name = Scheme
 | paradigm = functional
 | hello world = #! /bin/scheme
print 'Hello World'
}}
You know, I've noticed that most programming language articles include the basic 'hello world' construction for that language.  it strikes me as a bit silly to have a separate section for that in these articles, and I'm thinking we should move them into the infobox.  I'll add a parameter and post an example here, so you can see the effect.  --[[User_talk:Ludwigs2|<span style="color:darkblue;font-weight:bold">Ludwigs</span><span style="color:green;font-weight:bold">2</span>]] 16:54, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Example added at right.  --[[User_talk:Ludwigs2|<span style="color:darkblue;font-weight:bold">Ludwigs</span><span style="color:green;font-weight:bold">2</span>]] 17:31, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
:(A) Some Hello Worlds are so verbose they would bloat the infobox (I'm looking at you, [[Java (programming language)|Java]]!) (B) The Hello Worlds are often accompanied by explanatory prose, thus this field will either duplicate the code or will cause the example and its prose to become separated. --[[User:Cybercobra|<b style="color:#3773A5;">Cyber</b><span style="color:#FFB521;">cobra</span>]] [[User talk:Cybercobra|(talk)]] 00:44, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

: Hello World examples are rarely this compact, and don't really fit the at-a-glance nature of infobox templates. There's nothing wrong with them being article boilerplate; the infobox doesn't need to cover everything that the article does. Conversely, the examples certainly should not be ''moved'' to the infobox, as infoboxes are only meant to be summaries and articles should stand alone fine without them. [[user:thumperward|Chris Cunningham (not at work)]] - [[user talk:thumperward|talk]] 11:43, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

== "Programming language" label in a "programming language" infobox? ==

I assume this field is supposed to described the language used to ''implement'' another language, and not a field in which to put the name of the language being described. I changed the label of this field to "Implementation langauge" but left the field's name in the template the same. [[Special:Contributions/75.186.5.185|75.186.5.185]] ([[User talk:75.186.5.185|talk]]) 03:52, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
:That filed doesn't make sense to me. A programming language doesn't have any implementation language, because it can (and usually does) have multiple implementations, written in various languages. Do you think this field makes sense or should it be removed? [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 21:41, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
::I personally think it's better to remove it and leave any descriptions of implementation languages in the article body.  When you have multiple implementations with different languages used to implement each (think CPython vs Jython vs IronPython for example) trying to convey this in an infobox field would just look messy.  Additionally, where I've seen the field already used -- in the entries for Rust, Scala, Haxe and OCaml -- the information provided is wrong anyway! Thanks. [[User:Hexene|Hexene]] ([[User talk:Hexene|talk]]) 18:20, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

== TOBIE rank ==

I'd like to add [[TIOBE index|TIOBE rank]] as one field of this template as I often find figures with {{increase}}/{{decrease}}/{{steady}} of a company infobox quite informative. Here are the top 20 languages:

# {{increase}} [[C (programming language)|C]]
# {{decrease}} [[Java (programming language)|Java]]
# {{increase}} [[Objective-C]]
# {{decrease}} [[C++]]
# {{decrease}} [[C_sharp|C#]]
# {{steady}} [[PHP]]
# {{steady}} [[Visual Basic|(Visual) Basic]]
# {{steady}} [[Python (programming language)|Python]]
# {{steady}} [[Perl]]
# {{increase}} [[Ruby (programming language)|Ruby]]
# {{decrease}} [[ECMAScript|JavaScript]]
# {{steady}} [[Delphi (programming language)|Delphi/Object Pascal]]
# {{steady}} [[Lisp (programming language)|Lisp]]
# {{increase}} [[Pascal (programming language)|Pascal]]
# {{increase}} [[Visual Basic .NET]]
# {{increase}} [[Ada (programming language)|Ada]]
# {{increase}} [[MATLAB]]
# {{increase}} [[Lua (programming language)|Lua]]
# {{steady}} [[Assembly language|Assembly]]
# {{decrease}} [[PL/SQL]]

I know that this might be [[Template_talk:Infobox_website#Again_Alexa; why is it a legitimate datapoint?|as controversial as the use of Alexa rank in a website infobox]], but I'd like to go ahead in a month or two unless there is a '''Oppose''' here. — [[User:Kennyluck|Kennyluck]] ([[User talk:Kennyluck|talk]]) 07:18, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

== Year ==
Is there a definition of what is meant by the 'year' field?  For example, [[Rust (programming language)|Rust]] began as a single-person effort in 2006, had an official unveiling and public mailing list created in 2010, and made its first numbered release (0.1) in 2012, so which should it use?  Thanks! [[User:Hexene|Hexene]] ([[User talk:Hexene|talk]]) 14:14, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

== Template needs updating ==

Hi please remove label 12 and data 12 and merge them into data 11 please because test version and preview version are the same and please do some update to the stable release and preview release to reflect on a template change at [[template:LSR]] and [[template:LPR]] please. [[Special:Contributions/86.135.252.13|86.135.252.13]] ([[User talk:86.135.252.13|talk]]) 20:11, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ETp --> Hi. Are you sure you know what you are talking about? Best regards, [[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 01:59, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
::hi yes because you have dublicate labels they both say preview release but on the data bit one says preview and the other says test. [[Special:Contributions/86.135.252.13|86.135.252.13]] ([[User talk:86.135.252.13|talk]]) 07:29, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
:::Look, when someone says "Are you sure you know what you are talking about?" he or she means "I cannot locate or verify what you are referring to. Please elucidate with line number, sample snippets of the code, etc." Label 12 is "Influenced by". Label 11 is "Dialects". Label 7 is "Preview release" which accepts its value through {{para|latest preview version}} and its aliases {{para|latest test version}}, {{para|latest_preview_version}} and {{para|latest_test_version}}. (Sorted by the order of precedence.)

:::Best regards,
:::[[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 22:26, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

== Spacing ==
Can we come up with a way to add spacing around the logo/caption in [[C (programming language)]] without using hacks like multiple br tags?  seems like if the spacing is that useful, we should add it to the infobox directly. [[User:Frietjes|Frietjes]] ([[User talk:Frietjes|talk]]) 14:04, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

== Changing "appeared in" to "initial release" ==
Would there be any opposition to this? I ask because this phrasing is awkward when the exact date of release is known [[User:Sizeofint|Sizeofint]] ([[User talk:Sizeofint|talk]]) 03:27, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
:Hi. Sometimes, this infobox is put an article about a language, not an IDE. So, there would be no initial release at all.
:Best regards,
:[[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 10:38, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
::Thanks for responding. I'm really referring to [[OpenCL]] rather than any IDE. Wouldn't there have to be a date when the language was made public/widely available? I would think that even for a language like [[B (programming language)|B]] it would make as much sense to say "initial release: 1969" as to say "appeared in: 1969". [[User:Sizeofint|Sizeofint]] ([[User talk:Sizeofint|talk]]) 16:57, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
:::I am not sure. "Languages" aren't "released". These two words don't collocate. Programming languages appear, are implemented and are adopted. And since at least I don't think "appeared in" is wrong, on the whole I think the change you suggest is somewhat of a downgrade. Best regards, [[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 09:22, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
::::Hmm... I guess I understand your reasoning. What about just dropping the "in" so the infobox will have "Appeared" and then a date? That would allow use of specific days without sounding awkward. Regards [[User:Sizeofint|Sizeofint]] ([[User talk:Sizeofint|talk]]) 19:53, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
:::::You might be on to something there. We usually write "it appeared on 19 August 2019", "it appeared '''in''' August 2019", "it appeared '''in''' 2009", "it appeared '''in''' 2010s" but still I expect a lot of infoboxes would report day too. Or do they...? Maybe "first appearance"?

:::::I don't know.
:::::Best regards,
:::::[[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 20:44, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
::::::"First appearance" or "First appeared" sound pretty good to me. Most languages don't include the exact day at this point but that might be an effect of the current wording. I know for at least [[Go (programming language)|Go]] and OpenCL C the exact date is available. [[User:Sizeofint|Sizeofint]] ([[User talk:Sizeofint|talk]]) 20:56, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

== {{para|latest test version}} and {{para|latest test date}} aliases no longer work ==

Ping {{Ping|Codename Lisa}} and {{Ping|Waldir}}, who else? I found the issue at [[Special:Diff/742033177]]. [[Special:Contributions/80.221.159.67|80.221.159.67]] ([[User talk:80.221.159.67|talk]]) 07:48, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
: Thanks for the notice. The issue seems to have been introduced in [[Special:Diff/736291678]], so I'll let Codename Lisa handle it. --[[User:Waldir|Waldir]] <sup>[[User talk:Waldir|talk]]</sup> 12:50, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
:: {{Done}} Call me any time if you had more problems. —Best regards, [[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 13:41, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

== Examples of scope ==

What's the purpose of scope? It will be useful to have some concrete examples. It's not very clear from the definition given.  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jsamwrites|Jsamwrites]] ([[User talk:Jsamwrites#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jsamwrites|contribs]]) 11:49, 23 March 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Memory Management (04/2017) ==
A field for memory management usage type will be useful: garbage collector, counting references ...(04/2017) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:111.184.74.184|111.184.74.184]] ([[User talk:111.184.74.184#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/111.184.74.184|contribs]]) </small>
:{{Done}} [[User:Northern Moonlight|<span style="font-family:system-ui,Inter,-apple-system,sans-serif;background-color:#f3f3fe;padding:2px 5px;border-radius:3px;white-space:nowrap">NM</span>]] 00:58, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

== Package managers ==

How about adding a parameter for specifying the package managers (official and unoffical) of the langauge? [[User:Galzigler|Galzigler]] ([[User talk:Galzigler|talk]]) 14:31, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. It is [[Wikipedia:Fancruft|fancruft]]. —[[User:Codename Lisa|Codename Lisa]] ([[User talk:Codename Lisa|talk]]) 14:46, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

== Introduced Constructs ==

I think it would be useful to add an optional introduced_constructs section to the infobox. For example, {{cquote|Simula 67 introduced objects,[1]:2, 5.3 classes,[1]:1.3.3, 2 inheritance and subclasses,[1]:2.2.1 virtual procedures,[1]:2.2.3 coroutines,[1]:9.2 and discrete event simulation,[1]:14.2 and features garbage collection.[1]:9.1}} appears in the article on Simula. It seems to me that this information would be both useful and compact enough to fit in the infobox.
[[User:Bhbuehler|Bhbuehler]] ([[User talk:Bhbuehler|talk]]) 03:57, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 2 August 2021 ==

{{edit semi-protected|Template:Infobox programming language|answered=yes}}
I think we could add a <code>|country_of_origin</code> or <code>|origin</code> field to show where the language was developed. We already tell who developed or created it but not where they are from. We also show the country of origin of a lot of products and productions in other templates, so knowing where a programming language comes from might be relevant. [[Special:Contributions/200.242.43.202|200.242.43.202]] ([[User talk:200.242.43.202|talk]]) 15:21, 2 August 2021 (UTC) [[Special:Contributions/200.242.43.202|200.242.43.202]] ([[User talk:200.242.43.202|talk]]) 15:21, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> I don't think that's information that would really ever be relevant for the infobox of a programming language. For a random example, the fact that [[Guido van Rossum]] is Dutch isn't even mentioned in the ''prose'' of [[Python (programming language)]]. It could plausibly be mentioned in the history section, but a factoid like that I don't think is relevant enough for an infobox. Maybe others will disagree with me though. &#8209;&#8209;[[User:Volteer1|Volteer1]] ([[User talk:Volteer1|talk]]) 15:29, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
::{{re|Volteer1}} personally I think it's relevant to know where it came from or where it was developed because that can explain the context of why they decided to create a certain language or what kind of contribution they wanted to make to that environment. For example, the [[Ada (programming language)|Ada programming language]] was created for military purposes by a team hired by the US Department of Defense ([[Lua (programming language)|Lua]] is also an example of a language created from a locally sourced need). However, I don't know if my argument is good enough to justify adding the field I proposed. [[Special:Contributions/200.242.43.202|200.242.43.202]] ([[User talk:200.242.43.202|talk]]) 17:15, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
:::Those two example are interesting, I do admit. Personally I still don't think there's really a use case for it, but if anyone else disagrees with me feel free to add it in. &#8209;&#8209;[[User:Volteer1|Volteer1]] ([[User talk:Volteer1|talk]]) 06:03, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

== Change Screenshot to SampleCode ==

Hi, Screenshot for programming language Infobox is not true. We should use SampleCode and insert some code like "print Hello World" in it. So in my opinion image2 in this template should not be jpg, svg, or other solid images, inversely it should be a textbox that has a white background and its text has copying capability and its syntax (types) has some appropriate highlighting, which is successfully provided by a <nowiki><syntaxhighlight></syntaxhighlight></nowiki> tag. So this image
[[Image:JavaScript screenshot.png|thumb|120px]]
in an Infobox  is wrong and should be some thing like:
{{Infobox programming language
| name = JavaScript
| logo = <!-- Do not add the unofficial logo, per [[Talk:JavaScript/Archive 5#Why is the unofficial logo present?]] -->
| logo alt = 
| SampleCode = <syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" style="display:inline-block; text-align:left;">
// JavaScript example
function helloworld() {
	alert('Hello World');
}
window.onload = helloworld;
</syntaxhighlight>
| screenshot_caption = 
| paradigm = [[Multi-paradigm]]: [[event-driven programming|event-driven]], [[functional programming|functional]], [[imperative programming|imperative]], [[object-oriented programming]]
| designer = [[Brendan Eich]] of [[Netscape]] initially; others have also contributed to the [[ECMAScript]] standard
| typing = [[Dynamic typing|Dynamic]], [[Weak typing|weak]], [[Duck typing|duck]]
| implementations = [[V8 (JavaScript engine)|V8]], [[JavaScriptCore]], [[SpiderMonkey (JavaScript engine)|SpiderMonkey]], [[Chakra (JScript engine)|Chakra]]
| influenced = [[ActionScript]], [[AssemblyScript]], [[CoffeeScript]], [[Dart (programming language)|Dart]], [[Haxe]], [[JS++]], [[Objective-J]], [[Opa (programming language)|Opa]], [[TypeScript]]
| license = 
| file extensions = {{flatlist|
* <code>.js</code>
* <code>.cjs</code>
* <code>.mjs</code><ref name="node.js ECMAScript Modules Specification">{{cite web|url=https://github.com/nodejs/node-eps/blob/master/002-es-modules.md|title=nodejs/node-eps|website=GitHub|access-date=2018-07-05|archive-date=2020-08-29|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200829024713/https://github.com/nodejs/node-eps/blob/master/002-es-modules.md|url-status=live}}</ref>
}}
| file format = 
| wikibooks = JavaScript
| year = {{start date and age|1995|12|4}}<ref name="press_release">[https://web.archive.org/web/20070916144913/http://wp.netscape.com/newsref/pr/newsrelease67.html Press release announcing JavaScript], "Netscape and Sun announce JavaScript", PR Newswire, December 4, 1995</ref>
| latest release version = {{wikidata|property|edit|reference|P548=Q2804309|P348}}
| latest release date = {{start date and age|{{wikidata|qualifier|single|P548=Q2804309|P348|P577}}}}
| latest preview version = {{wikidata|property|edit|reference|P548=Q51930650|P348}}
| latest preview date = {{start date and age|{{wikidata|qualifier|single|P548=Q51930650|P348|P577}}}}
| influenced_by = [[Java (programming language)|Java]],<ref name="looklikejava">{{cite book|title=Coders at Work: Reflections on the Craft of Programming|isbn=9781430219484|quote="Eich: The immediate concern at Netscape was it must look like Java."|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=nneBa6-mWfgC&q=The+immediate+concern+at+Netscape+was+it+must+look+like+Java.&pg=PA141|access-date=December 25, 2018|last1=Seibel|first1=Peter|date=September 16, 2009|archive-date=December 24, 2020|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20201224233514/https://books.google.com/books?id=nneBa6-mWfgC&q=The+immediate+concern+at+Netscape+was+it+must+look+like+Java.&pg=PA141|url-status=live}}</ref><ref name="origin"/> [[Scheme (programming language)|Scheme]],<ref name="origin"/> [[Self (programming language)|Self]],<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://brendaneich.com/2008/04/popularity/|title = Popularity – Brendan Eich}}</ref> [[AWK]],<ref>{{cite web|title=Brendan Eich: An Introduction to JavaScript, JSConf 2010|website=[[YouTube]]|quote="Eich: "function", eight letters, I was influenced by AWK."|url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EyRscXrehw|access-date=November 25, 2019|page=22m|archive-date=August 29, 2020|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200829024704/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EyRscXrehw|url-status=live}}</ref> [[HyperTalk]]<ref>{{cite book |last=Eich |first=Brendan |authorlink1=Brendan Eich |chapter=Foreword |editor1-last=Goodman |editor1-first=Danny |editor1-link=Danny Goodman |year=1998 |title=JavaScript Bible |edition=3rd |publisher=[[John Wiley & Sons]] |isbn=0-7645-3188-3 |lccn=97078208 |oclc=38888873 |ol=712205M |url-access=registration |url=https://archive.org/details/javascriptbible000good}}</ref>
| website = {{URL|www.ecma-international.org/publications-and-standards/standards/ecma-262/}}
}}
Thanks, [[User:Hooman Mallahzadeh|Hooman Mallahzadeh]] ([[User talk:Hooman Mallahzadeh|talk]]) 08:15, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

: [[Template_talk:Infobox_programming_language#'hello_world'_addition|A section on this talk page]] discusses why sample code in the infobox isn't a good idea: some examples are quite verbose and would bloat the infobox; sample code sections typically have explanatory text which would be left out of the infobox to avoid further bloat, which would lead to the sample code either being duplicated or separated from its explanation; infoboxes are intended to be an "at-a-glance" source of information, they should summarize key facts ([[MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE]]), which isn't what sample code does. Most programming language articles have a section with examples of code, which is where it makes sense for examples to be.
:The Javascript article's screenshot of code in the infobox, rather than a logo, is an unusual case because (as I understand it) Javascript has no official logo; it isn't there as an example of how the language works, it's just an image to represent the language in this case where there's no logo to do so. [[User:AKiwiDeerPin|AKiwiDeerPin]] ([[User talk:AKiwiDeerPin|talk]]) 09:11, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:AKiwiDeerPin|AKiwiDeerPin]] Hi, in my opinion screenshot should be gradually removed from all programming language Infoboxes, so we should mark "screenshot" and "screenshot caption" as a deprecate parameters. Do you agree? [[User:Hooman Mallahzadeh|Hooman Mallahzadeh]] ([[User talk:Hooman Mallahzadeh|talk]]) 09:39, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
:::As of the beginning of July, the screenshot parameter was in use on almost 50 different pages ([https://bambots.brucemyers.com/TemplateParam.php?action=paramlinks&wiki=enwiki&template=Infobox+programming+language&param=screenshot a list here]), so I would say no, it seems to be considered useful by the people who have worked on those pages for a variety of reasons. Some languages would be difficult or impossible to represent in standard characters - [[Logo (programming language)| Logo]], for example, communicates some very basic ideas about how the language works in an image, while [[Scratch (programming language)|Scratch]] and similar visual programming languages work in ways that are best communicated via a screenshot of the interface. On other pages they just show what the language or a program looks like, and I don't have any problem with those uses either.
:::Why do you think screenshots should be removed from all programming language infoboxes? You haven't actually made an argument for doing so. [[User:AKiwiDeerPin|AKiwiDeerPin]] ([[User talk:AKiwiDeerPin|talk]]) 10:29, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
::::@[[User:AKiwiDeerPin|AKiwiDeerPin]] Because a language is a collection of words that follow some syntax and have semantics and produces some machine code. Here, screenshot is totally an unrelevant argument. Making screenshot for a collection of words is meaningless, and we should show that words exactly in sampleCode. Some Infoboxes of Wikidedia use screenshot for IDE of that language. This is not true. IDE is a totally different concept from language. For the [[Logo language]], wrong screenshot is used. Here an algorithm is shown, not the language. Algorithm should not be shown in Infobox, but outside of the Infobox, we can use that image. As a conclusion, I really insist to deprecate screenshot parameter, and in the emergency cases only use sampleCode parameter. In all of 50 pages, we should put used screenshot image outside of Infobox, because it either shows IDE, or shows an algorithm, not exactly that language (i.e., a collection of words). Specially in [[JavaScript]] page that a black page is shown and words is not readable and I really think this would make that Infobox bloating. [[User:Hooman Mallahzadeh|Hooman Mallahzadeh]] ([[User talk:Hooman Mallahzadeh|talk]]) 11:20, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
:::::The screenshot of Scratch shows Scratch, '''as it is actually used'''. Why remove it? Screenshots of IDEs show '''examples of languages being used''', which is the best you can do in an infobox since they are not the place for in depth information. Because yes, languages have syntax and semantics, but the infobox isn't the place to explain any of that. I don't know how you expect to represent "exactly that language", and not "a collection of words", in an infobox. It seems '''contrary to the purpose of an infobox'''. Pretty much no programming language could be fully represented even in an entire Wikipedia article, nevermind just an infobox.
:::::I still don't know what your objection to the screenshots actually is. You've said they're "not true" a couple of times now, and that doesn't make any sense to me, they're not lying about the language represented.
:::::As I mentioned, I think the JavaScript page seems to have sort of ended up with an example of JavaScript in use instead of a logo. A logo also would not explain the syntax and semantics of a language. It would just represent that language. In an infobox, a screenshot of a language in use shows just one of infinite ways that language is used, and is in the infobox to represent that language or give an example of it.
:::::The infobox for the article about Japanese has just one word, and just one way that word could be written, as the image in its infobox. It's not a full sentence. It's not a dictionary definition. It's not an example of the syntax and semantics of the language. It's just a picture that is there as an example of (part of) the subject of the article.
:::::The infobox for the article about apples has a picture of one type of apple; it isn't claiming this is what every apple is like or this is all there is to know about apples, it's just one picture of an apple '''as an example in order to illustrate the subject of the article'''.
:::::[[User:AKiwiDeerPin|AKiwiDeerPin]] ([[User talk:AKiwiDeerPin|talk]]) 12:54, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:AKiwiDeerPin|AKiwiDeerPin]] One of the main disadvantages of this parameter is that screenshot image is too small such that it conveys very low and not enough data "At the first glance" to a user. At the first glance screenshot of [[JavaScript]] shows nothing, and we should open that picture to view what it contians. Again for [[Scratch (programming language)]] the screenshot image is too small such that at the first glance we understand nearly nothing from that image, again we should open that image to understand what it contains. The problem promotes when it is selected as PageImage of article, a nearly totally black image is shown in tooltip for JavaScript. [[User:Hooman Mallahzadeh|Hooman Mallahzadeh]] ([[User talk:Hooman Mallahzadeh|talk]]) 13:50, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

== Shell scripting ==

Thank you for making this infobox. I've enjoyed navigating the "influenced" and "influenced by" crosslinks to understand the origins of computer languages.

I want to ask for advice. The languages I've found so far under [[shell script]] such as [[Bourne Shell]], [[Bash (Unix shell)|Bash]], [[Zsh]], etc. currently have the [[Template:Infobox software]]. These languages have influenced and were influenced by languages that use the [[Template:Infobox_programming_language]].

I'm guessing the reason why the shell scripts don't have this infobox, is because the words are simultaneously used for the software and for the computer language.

Would you think it would be proper to move these pages to use [[Template:Infobox_programming_language]] instead? Or, would it make more sense maybe to try to extend [[Template:Infobox software]] to use the fields "influenced" and "influenced by"? What are your thoughts here? [[User:&#39;wɪnd|&#39;wɪnd]] ([[User talk:&#39;wɪnd|talk]]) 08:14, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

== Media-type and UTI fields ==

JavaScript has a [[media type]] and [[Uniform Type Identifier|UTI]] respectively defined as {{code|class=nowrap|text/javascript}}<ref>{{IETF RFC|9239}}</ref> and {{code|class=nowrap|com.netscape.javascript-source}}.<ref>{{Cite web|title=javaScript {{!}} Apple Developer Documentation|url=https://developer.apple.com/documentation/uniformtypeidentifiers/uttype-swift.struct/javascript}}</ref> Similarly, [[XUL]] is XML-based, but has a distinct media-type of {{code|class=nowrap|application/vnd.mozilla.xul+xml}}.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/application/vnd.mozilla.xul+xml|title=application/vnd.mozilla.xul+xml}}</ref> These properties are supported {{tlg|Infobox file format|brace=yes|code=yes}}, but not by this template. I recommend establishing parity between the two by supporting the same type-related fields:

<syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext">
{{Infobox programming language
| _nomimecode =
| mime =
| type_code =
| uniform_type =
| conforms_to =
}}</syntaxhighlight>

Thoughts? —&nbsp;[[User:Alhadis|Alhadis]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Alhadis#top|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 09:31, 9 October 2024 (UTC)