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==Forced Migration==
Was it the US or Denmark that carried out the 1953 relocation of natives to expand the base? -[[Special:Contributions/24.149.203.34|24.149.203.34]] ([[User talk:24.149.203.34|talk]]) 01:31, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:Good question, and this deserves greater exploration and citations as yet another possible incident of US colonialistic human rights abuses.  Of course, there have been other similar "relocations:" the [[trail of tears]] during the (general) Jackson Administration, Japanese internment during WWII.  I'm at the beginning of my research on this topic.[[User:Critical Chris|Critical Chris]] ([[User talk:Critical Chris|talk]]) 13:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:It was the danish government that forced the inhabitants out in 1953. The prime minister at the time (Poul Nyrup Rasmussen), gave an official apology. Uusaqqak Qujaukitsoq, a spokesperson for the Thule case died in 2018. Danish news article on the matter: <ref>https://globalnyt.dk/content/thule-talsmand-er-doed</ref>. I don't know enough about the history, to provide a proper section on it. [[Special:Contributions/93.184.203.250|93.184.203.250]] ([[User talk:93.184.203.250|talk]]) 18:25, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
::It is probably just an error in phrasing causing unclarity, but here is a clarification: the prime minister at the time of the forced relocation, which took place in May 1953 (with Greenland's status as a colony ending with the revision of the Danish constitution on 5. June 1953, when it became a Danish county), was Erik Eriksen (1950-53, Venstre). Poul Nyrup Rasmussen (PM 1993-2001, Socialdemokratiet) gave an apology on behalf of Denmark in 1999. [[Special:Contributions/5.186.55.135|5.186.55.135]] ([[User talk:5.186.55.135|talk]]) 23:10, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
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==greenland==
This entry needs to be linked to Greenland, and vice versa. Searching the Greenland entry on Wikipedia provides no link, or information on, Thule. Nor is there a link within the Thule entry, to Greenland.

I feel the entire entry needs a good re-edit . . . it contains useful but incomplete information and is written in a tone that can be hard to follow and seems not in keeping with Wikipedia's standards. I will be happy to work on it but would the primary authors of it like to address it first?--[[User:Oceanbourne|Mike]] 05:30, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

This article must talk more about the history of the Thule Airbasse, as well as what it's fuctions. the fact that the Inughuit living at Qaanaaq (Thule) were displaced after the base was built.

With only a few days notice, the local Inuit community was forced to move away from their ancient hunting grounds in May 1953 and resettle in Qaanaaq, north of Thule. They were not awarded compensation until 1999.

The Danish and Greenlanders have a policy barring nuclear weapons within their borders, but in 1995 the U.S. military informed them that nuclear surface-to-air and other warheads had been stored at the Thule air base. In 2001, the U.S. government unclassified documents reveling that, in 1968, a B-52 bomber laden with four nuclear bombs had crashed twelve miles from the Thule air base. Greenlanders had long suspected that an unexploded hydrogen bomb had been lost off the northeast coast of their territory in the accident. In the report on the incident released over thirty years after the event, the Pentagon contended that all four bombs had been accounted for although a pound of plutonium had been released into the environment. Reports of cancer and other illnesses began surfacing among Danish and Greenlandic Thule air base employeesin the eighties and nineties. Some 1,700 workers were exposed to radiation after the plane crash. The Danish government acknowledged the accident and paid the workers a $15.5 million settlement in 1995 (Cappoza, 2001).

: I too belive that this article should mention the 1968 plane crash, as also mentioned in [[List of nuclear accidents]]. -- [[User:Gearloose|G. Gearloose]] [[User Talk:Gearloose|''(?!)'']] 11:33, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

::I've added a small section. The source I found only talked about 700 people, not 1700, and doesn't mention the Danish government compensation. Could someone with more time on their hands supplement what I've written, please? --[[User:RenniePet|RenniePet]] ([[User talk:RenniePet|talk]]) 13:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

== Origins of the name? ==

does anybody know from what the name [[Thule]] is derived from? skimming over this disambiguation page reveals a few possible leads (It is in an indigenous [[Inuit]] region; Greenland is a [[Scandinavia|Scandinavian]] country; it was founded during the [[Nazi]] era) and i was curious if somebody knew whether or not there was any precise reason it was given this name. Perhaps it was named after some military figure or geographical region/marker? [[User:Popefauvexxiii|popefauve]] 03:48, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
:See [[Thule (myth)]]. [[User:David.Monniaux|David.Monniaux]] 17:20, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:yes thats important. Maybe has something to do with [[Thule Society]]  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/90.164.52.89|90.164.52.89]] ([[User talk:90.164.52.89|talk]]) 17:39, 16 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::See also [[Peter Freuchen]], Danish explorer who named the region in 1910 (after establishing a trading post there) after the mythical Thule. [[User:RobDuch|RobDuch]] ([[User talk:RobDuch|talk]]) 06:07, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

==Air emergencies==
I saw it mentioned that Thule Air Force Base is one of the few place where airliners can do an emergency landing if they have problems on routes going near the pole (such is the case of many flights from Europe to the US or Canada). I'd be happy to hear about it. [[User:David.Monniaux|David.Monniaux]] 17:20, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Fastest surface wind speed? ==

Is it Thule or Mount Washington?  See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Washington_%28New_Hampshire%29].
*Not likely Thule and in this era of extreme weather events I'm not sure this is notable anymore. 
*Should remove or edit this 'historic fact' [[List_of_weather_records#Wind_speed]][[User:YakbutterT|YakbutterT]] ([[User talk:YakbutterT|talk]]) 20:38, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

==1956 Reconnaissance==

Routine, periodic air reconnaissance was conducted by RB-47H aircraft from Thule Air Base over the Pole to Russian defended airspace near the Barents Sea.  These top secret missions, 12 hours long, requiring five KC-97 tankers, and four 20,000 pound off-loads, stretched the state of aviation art at that time. I was shot at, noted near the end of the B-47 Article.  --plumalley <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Plumalley|Plumalley]] ([[User talk:Plumalley|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Plumalley|contribs]]) 23. mar 2006 kl. 16:00</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

== Tugboat ==
The tugboat is NOT used to move icebergs out of the flight path. First of all icebergs do not interfere with the flight path and second the tugboat would not be powerfull enough to push any sizable iceberg. The tugboat is launched at the beginning of the port season (usually beginning of July when the bay becomes icefree) and is used to assist ships visiting the port. It is also used to push smaller chunks of ice away from the port area. [[User:Kpusa|Kpusa]] 13:16, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

== troops ==

how many troops are stationed there
:What are you, some kind of a wise guy? Why would you want to know that? Caveant editores.[[User:Botteville|Dave]] ([[User talk:Botteville|talk]]) 09:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

: the question is completely legit and relevant;the numbers ought to be added to the article,Here's what I've been able to retreive on the issue, quoting from Business Insider UK " Today, the base typically is used for allied surveillance of the northern polar region and has a stripped-down presence of approximately 400 Danes, 50 Greenlanders, 3 Canadians, and 140 American military and support staff."[[User:Flight714|Flight714]] ([[User talk:Flight714|talk]]) 13:53, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

 
==NorthCom/EuCom==
Is it NORAD only, or also NorthCom? Or is it EuCom?


Read more: http://uk.businessinsider.com/what-its-like-to-serve-at-thule-air-base-2014-11?r=US#ixzz3aJCDf7HU
==Refs==
The Agreement relating to the Defense of Greenland in Washington on April 9, 1941 is here:
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/Dip/PaW/206.html
Holger Terp  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/83.95.237.205|83.95.237.205]] ([[User talk:83.95.237.205|talk]]) 15:57, 5 October 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
I know the historical material is taken from a site with no copyrights. Nevertheless some structure is required. Cites please. Looks like some 1940's newspaper articles.[[User:Botteville|Dave]] ([[User talk:Botteville|talk]]) 09:23, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:Nice heading. Refs is Norwegian for telling someone off. Maybe it's the same meaning in Danish.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/82.134.28.194|82.134.28.194]] ([[User talk:82.134.28.194|talk]]) 07:06, 21 May 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==South of the North Pole==
Isn't it redundant to say that the base lies South of the North Pole?  Isn't everything South of the North Pole. 21 May 2009  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/65.93.142.231|65.93.142.231]] ([[User talk:65.93.142.231|talk]]) 18:34, 21 May 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Heat and Power==
I was very curious how they keep the place heated and powered.  The main page mentions a nuclear reactor in the past tense.  Searching the Internet I found this article: http://www.powermag.com/o_and_m/The-Heat-Is-On-at-Arctic-Air-Base_3464.html

This article confirms that heat and power are provided by burning fuel, not by nuclear power.  In accordance with the Single Fuel Concept of the U.S. military, this is basically jet fuel.  The article also has interesting details on how the buildings must be built on stilts, or else heat from the buildings melts the permafrost.  Even the generators and such are raised up off the permafrost, and the undersides of the buildings must be insulated.

Since this is an air base, and airplanes need a lot of fuel, and ships can only come a few months out of each year, there must be truly enormous amounts of fuel stored at the base.

Somebody should work some of this material into the main article.  I don't have the time now, but if nobody else does anything, I might do it someday.
[[User:Steveha|Steveha]] ([[User talk:Steveha|talk]]) 08:38, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

== underground facilities ==

The base is inter-connected with underground tunnels and walkways that travel from building to building.  These are open for access year round but are almost exclusively used during the harsh winter months. [[User:DEWY CHEATEM AND HOWE|DEWY CHEATEM AND HOWE]] ([[User talk:DEWY CHEATEM AND HOWE|talk]]) 08:49, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Not when I was there in 1985, and I doubt the Danes would've allowed such construction.   When the weather got bad -- which was often -- we'd hear various alert levels that had specific movement restrictions...up to and including NO ONE moved anywhere, not even emergency personnel.  Had we had a system of tunnels, we would not have gotten those warnings.

Plus, an air base, by it's nature, is large to allow for the runway...Building tunnels would be cost prohibitive.

== Significance in US military culture? ==

I can find no independent documentation, and I am not sure how one would go about confirming whether this is an official policy.  That having been said, a number of relatives of mine who served in the US Army and US Air Force from the 1950s to the 1990s unanimously agreed that Thule is regarded in the US military as a punishment post, a place where they send soldiers and airmen who have angered someone very powerful through one or more career-limiting or career-ending moves, to serve out the rest of their tours of duty.  <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/209.255.16.66|209.255.16.66]] ([[User talk:209.255.16.66|talk]]) 14:18, 31 August 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

That sounds like a tired old meme I(think the Captain at the end of the movie "Stripes.")  I was TDY (Temporary duty) to Thule early in my USAF service.  Tours were only a year long, as I recall.   I was there a month and a half.

:The US military has many urban legends and jokes of this nature, the more difficult to verify the better. When I was in the USN circa 1980 the joke was that you'd wind up in "Bum Fuk, Egypt" if somebody didn't like you. Tours in "isolation" bases like Thule are usually one year, and in the Navy counted as double sea duty credit. [[User:RobDuch|RobDuch]] ([[User talk:RobDuch|talk]]) 06:23, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

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== Discovery by a civilian ==
Anybody willing to at least mention that this secret base was discovered on June 16, 1951 by [[Jean Malaurie]] and his Inuit friend Kutikitsoq? I'm not a native English speaker and wouldn't be able to phrase it correctly. Thanks.
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== Pronunciation? ==

I've heard it pronounce "Thoole" and "Thoolee".  Which is correct?  Or are they both wrong?[[User:Longinus876|Longinus876]] ([[User talk:Longinus876|talk]]) 14:57, 28 January 2018 (UTC)


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== Meters??? ==

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== Questions about the actual property ==

I haven't been able to determine how many acres the base covers. Anybody know? Is there some kind of a 99-year lease or is it more of a hand-shake agreement? Thanks
:The 1951 Agreement is not a lease, but a permanent territorial concession in perpetuity to the United States, with residual sovereignty retained by Denmark. It is akin to the Guantanamo Bay and Panama Canal Zone concessions, without the lease payments found in those concession treaties.[[User:XavierGreen|XavierGreen]] ([[User talk:XavierGreen|talk]]) 13:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

== "Thule Air Base is home to the [[21st Space Wing]]'s global network of sensors" ==

* The 21st Space Wing is based in Colorado.
* If the sensors are at Thule AB, they are not very global.

Quality control sometimes only requires that you read the article.  --[[Special:Contributions/84.132.144.123|84.132.144.123]] ([[User talk:84.132.144.123|talk]]) 11:09, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

== Modern Air Base ==

The chronology in this section is confusing.  The ships to build the base didn't arrive until 9 July 1951, but the secret base was discovered by the civilian 16 Jun 1951.  If the dates are correct, he should have only found a weather station at that time frame.  ("You see where I'm going here? How could you have been at the meeting at 1620 hrs, if you didn't make it back to your room until 1645 hrs?")   [[User:SquashEngineer|SquashEngineer]] ([[User talk:SquashEngineer|talk]]) 16:49, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

== B52 nuclear bomber crash ==

This article rejects the suspicion that one of the bombs could not be found, but the main article on the crash says that the secondary (fusion) part of a bomb remains missing. I'd be inclined to alter this article to match the more detailed article, but I'm not familiar with such material. [[User:Errantios|Errantios]] ([[User talk:Errantios|talk]]) 13:51, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

== Like the Panama Canal? ==

"The construction of Thule is said to have been comparable in scale to the enormous effort required to build the Panama Canal." This sentence is referenced to an article that refers to such a comparison, but the statement of comparison is not itself referenced. Since the comparison concerns effort, not size, it might be accurate;  it could also be rather rhetorical. However, the comparison is not supported, so I suggest that the sentence be deleted. [[User:Errantios|Errantios]] ([[User talk:Errantios|talk]]) 12:09, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

== why change of name? ==
Why was the name changed from supercool Thule to comic Pituffik ? [[Special:Contributions/155.190.35.4|155.190.35.4]] ([[User talk:155.190.35.4|talk]]) 15:02, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
:Explained in the section "Transfer to Space Force". [[User:Errantios|Errantios]] ([[User talk:Errantios|talk]]) 01:13, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
::Any research as to whether most personnel still just call it "Thule" despite the name change as was the case with fort Bragg? [[Special:Contributions/2600:8801:B004:C900:7F01:5015:8842:4CB3|2600:8801:B004:C900:7F01:5015:8842:4CB3]] ([[User talk:2600:8801:B004:C900:7F01:5015:8842:4CB3|talk]]) 16:48, 29 March 2025 (UTC)