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==article lists 1982 as released date==
The article lists 1982 as released date, while the DonkeyKong page lists 1981, yet the Pitfall page claims Pitfall was the first jump'n run. Could anybody clear up who was first? -- [[User:Grumbel|Grumbel]] 11:32, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

== The Same Game? ==

I have heard of the GameCube game ''Pitfall: The Lost Expedition''. It was released in 2003, like ''Pitfall Harry'' as described in the article. Are these two titles the same game?
:I added this to the article. Amazon has it for sale on PC format, I don't knowa bout GameCube.

==Appearance in other media==
Pitfall shows up in Homestarrunner and South Park, among other places, and its iconic status should be noted. [[User:Elijahmeeks|Elijahmeeks]] 00:00, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

== Infocard? ==

Should this have an infocard?

== Best selling game? ==

In the article it is said that pitfall is the best selling game ever made for the Atari 2600. However, in the article about [[Atari 2600]], Pac-Man is listed as the top-selling game... Can anyone clear this up?
:I noticed this, too.  According to the Pac-Man article, it sold 7 million.  This would be easier to clear up if the articles were properly sourced. [[User:Ace of Sevens|Ace of Sevens]] 02:27, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

At the very first paragraph it says that the sales were 2.6 million copies. In the "history and development section" it says the sales were 4 million copies.[[User:Pagrab|Pagrab]] ([[User talk:Pagrab|talk]]) 18:03, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

== Definite ending ==

About Pitfall II the article says "Also, unlike most games of its day, it had a definite ending.", which apparently implies Pitfall! didn't have one. As a matter of fact, Pitfall! did have a definite ending: you had to collect all the treasure in the jungle within the time limit.

How does "it HAD a definite ending" imply that it didn't? I don't see your logic.

*Yes, but that's not an ending; it's a goal.  If you kept progressing through screens in one direction (e.g. kept going to the right) you could actually get back to the first screen at the beginning of the game (sometimes called "going around the world) and begin again.  Hense there was no ending. [[User:Jean15paul|Jean15paul]] 04:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

:: That's a terribly interesting definition of "ending", one that misinterprets the original claim. [[User:D.brodale|D. Brodale]] 00:13, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

:: Yes and no.  It’s actually not possible to do the entire 255-room loop in 20 minutes without using underground tunnels.  That said, if you get all 32 treasures, the game ends then and there and the player wins. [[User:Samboy|Samboy]] ([[User talk:Samboy|talk]]) 13:57, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

== Promotions ==
Didn't this videogame have some sort of promotional deal where you could send photographs of the Pitfall high score to Activision and win a T-shirt or something?  Or was that pretty common in those days?  -[[User:Rolypolyman|Rolypolyman]] 22:50, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

== Activision Hits Remixed ==

You didn't even mention Pitfall! as a mingame for the PSP game Activision Hits Remixed

-Dude867  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.130.147.86|74.130.147.86]] ([[User talk:74.130.147.86|talk]]) 01:55, 11 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== bats? ==

Which version of the 1st Pitfall! had bats? Pitfall II had them [[Special:Contributions/75.101.20.94|75.101.20.94]] ([[User talk:75.101.20.94|talk]]) 06:53, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

=="the atari 2600 action pack v1.0"==
from the Pitfall! help file
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David Crane on "Pitfall!"

David Crane is known as the video game industry's first superstar.  He is a pioneer and an innovator of video game technology and is also one of the founders of Activision.  His games have a dimension of enthusiasm to them that hooked the majority of the earliest game players.  If Academy Awards were given to the creative talent behind video games, then Crane would not only have won his award a long time ago, but he also would have already received his award for lifetime achievement.

David Crane's Pitfall! is one of the few games that represents a milestone in game-playing history.  Released in 1982, it only took up less than 4K of memory, but it sold more than 4 million copies, making it the hottest-selling Atari 2600 game.  It was a shot of adrenaline for the Atari 2600 market and it helped to spawn the game-playing fever of the early 1980's.

Crane noted, "When I designed Pitfall!, I knew that there was great potential in 'run, jump, and climb' adventure games, but the result was beyond any expectations.  It sold millions of copies, established a new genre of adventure games and spawned hundreds of similar products. There are now more sideview platform video games than any other category."

"The origin of Pitfall! was that I wanted to do a game with a running man.  I had designed one and I liked the effect, but I had  to make a game out of it.  So, I thought, 'Well, he has to be running somewhere...'  so I drew a path.  And then I had to put it into a place -- so I picked a jungle.  The idea took all of ten minutes.  It was a simple idea -- a man running in a jungle.  But, it spawned a genre of side-scrolling games.  It was the beginning of a genre.  Also, I guess people just remembered it as being neat."

"But I never said 'It's a jungle in there' [an early Pitfall! slogan] -- marketing came up with that.  But that was part of our secret.  Four of us, and then five, worked in this open lab environment where we all shared our two cents on everything.  We had a very good synergy and we played on that."

After 18 years in the business, David Crane is still designing video games.  He left Activision in 1987 and is now the Vice President of Advanced Technology for Absolute Entertainment, a video game company founded by former Activision alumni Alex DeMeo, John "H.E.RO." Van Ryzin, Dan "Crackpots" Kitchen, and Garry "Keystone Kapers" Kitchen.  Besides Fishing Derby, his game credits include Dragster, Freeway, Laser Blast, Grand Prix, Pitfall!, Pitfall II, The Activision Decathalon, Ghostbusters, Little Computer People, Transformers, Skateboardin', A Boy and His Blob, Super Skateboardin', Amazing Tennis, Home Improvement, and a game specifically designed and scripted for the movie Toys that he co-designed with Alex DeMeo.
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==Untitled==
Can someone add the months released on the pages jungle hunt and pitfall. I'm curious as to which came first. [[User:Jarwulf|Jarwulf]] ([[User talk:Jarwulf|talk]]) 06:47, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

==a concept isn't technology==

The game's creator didn't develop technology to have a guy running through a game.  He developed the concept of the game.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.1.72.193|76.1.72.193]] ([[User talk:76.1.72.193|talk]]) 09:15, 21 October 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Actually no, developed the coding technology needed to do that on a platform that formerly hadn't supported that level of graphical technology.The passage is accurate. --[[User:Wgungfu|Marty Goldberg]] ([[User talk:Wgungfu|talk]]) 22:48, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

== Pitfall! and [[Billboard Charts]] ==

Hello:
At 11 July 2017‎, when I first read this article, I've suspiciously noticed the mention of [[Billboard Charts]] regarding to the game success. As I've never seen or heard about anything regarding to Billboard Charts and video games other than Pitfall! + my knowledge that Billboard Charts are music charts and not charts of other media products, I eliminated these mentions. However after 3 months, someone, the user [[User:Ylee|Ylee]], decided to ban my 3 months old editing and revert it from a stupid reason, that these mentions are cited, where in fact, all of the sources don't mentioned Billboard Charts + the wikipedia article of Billboard Charts don't mentions anything about video game charts. So I returned my edits while mentioning that Billboard Chart aren't related to anything that isn't music, and another user, [[User:Indrian|Indrian]] reverted my editing stating that Billboard ran video game charts for few years. [https://www.google.co.il/search?source=hp&q=Billboard+video+game+chart&oq=Billboard+video+game+chart&gs_l=psy-ab.3..33i22i29i30k1l2.3815.3815.0.4667.1.1.0.0.0.0.230.230.2-1.1.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.1.229....0.Ohq7-sXdG3g Searching "Billboard video game chart" in Google], don't yields anything related to this, so the states of the two users for their reverts, are not backed up with anything. Not to mentions that if Billboard never had charts for other media beside music (TV, Radio, Film, Books), so it also never had charts for video games.

So should opinions about this, won't appear within a week, I would have little choice, but to restore my reverted editing. [[User:זור987|זור987]] ([[User talk:זור987|talk]]) 16:36, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
*You want to vandalize the article, that is your business and will be dealt with appropriately.  All of Billboard from the early 1980s is online and available for easy viewing.  If you can't find the software charts, you are going about it very, very wrong. [https://books.google.com/books?id=j5I4br0t7cwC&pg=PT24&dq=billboard+video+game+charts&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwihyKmqkNrWAhWUxIMKHazuBeYQ6AEILDAB#v=onepage&q=billboard%20video%20game%20charts&f=false Here] is ten seconds of searching in Google Books for you since you can't be bothered.  There's plenty more where that came from.  [[User:Indrian|Indrian]] ([[User talk:Indrian|talk]]) 18:36, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
**I have no intention of vandalizing the article, but saying that Pitfall! simply appeared on the BillBoard Charts without saying the charts in question, is as if Pitfall! was a single or an album, and may confuse most people. If Billboard really had video game charts for several years during the 1980, this should be mentioned on the [[Billboard Charts]] article as well as in this article, but it isn't. As I'm coming from Israel, in my country, no one know that Billboard had other charts beyond its music charts, so for me, the fact that Pitfall! appeared on Billboard Charts, is a form of "Did you know?" section, and I didn't know to make a connection between Pitfall! and Billboard Charts. [[User:זור987|זור987]] ([[User talk:זור987|talk]]) 05:42, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
*I just asked over there [[Talk:Billboard_charts#Does_Billboard_still_cover_video_game_charts.3F]]. That article should mention they previously covered that, and when they stopped. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 13:40, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
**Thanks you very much [[User:Dream Focus|Dream Focus]]. Your source that you posted in your section about the video game charts at the talk page of Billboard charts, is much more serious than the ones that presents in this article. As I think that not so many people outside North America, know that Billboard charts covered the best selling video games for a short period of years in the 1980's, a mention of Billboard Charts in this article needs more than seriously detailed support, both in this article, as well as in [[Billboard charts]] article. The current information about the charting of Pitfall!, may looks to most people as a random "Did you know?" section, or even as a misleading information. I read a lot of video game articles in the English Wikipeida before reaching this article, and despite this, neither of them mentioned Billboard charts. Hope that the subject will work out in the future. [[User:זור987|זור987]] ([[User talk:זור987|talk]]) 16:17, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

== Pitfall! and Billboard Charts 2 ==

Hello: A month has been passed, and no one didn't deal with the parts in the article regarding to [[Billboard Charts]], as well as with the Billboard Charts article itself, leaving the mentioning about the charting of Pitfall! at Billboard Charts as a "behind the scenes" sections which shouldn't appears in the article. As there are no modern online sources about the video game and software charts of [[Billboard]] (Even in the Billboard website itself), but only in scanned printing of Billboard magazine materials from the 80's, no one outside North America, don't know about the relation between Pitfall! and Billboard Charts (That is the reason why when first reading about this, I thought that this is a hoax, as all that I know about Billboard Charts are music charts and not charts of other things). As the mentioning of Billboard Charts in this article, is some sort of "behind the scenes", which should appears in the current form in the article (If at all).

If anyone won't take care about this after some time, I will have little option but to delete these mentions. [[User:זור987|זור987]] ([[User talk:זור987|talk]]) 06:39, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
*The material is cited to a reliable source, which is all Wikipedia requires.  Your ignorance of video game history is not grounds to remove material.  That will be treated as vandalism and dealt with accordingly. [[User:Indrian|Indrian]] ([[User talk:Indrian|talk]]) 16:24, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

== Pitfall! and Billboard Charts 3 ==

Hello:
The English Wikipedia '''isn't the American encyclopedia''' and as such, shouldn't show claims that are relevant to the United States only, such as the case of Pitfall! and Billboard Charts. Non American people around the world don't know that Billboard had software chart for a short amount of time, and so this claim about Pilfall! performance on the top place on the Billboard Charts is a trivia for them, and they would even not connects between the two things (Indeed, neither foreign language Wikipedia, don't mentions Billboard in their article about Pitfall!, only the English Wikipedia do so). So these sources have no room here in the article, even if they are cited.  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:זור987|זור987]] ([[User talk:זור987#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/זור987|contribs]]) 13:35, 21 December 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*That is, quite frankly, nonsense.  Now please stop vandalizing the article.  Good day. [[User:Indrian|Indrian]] ([[User talk:Indrian|talk]]) 19:16, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
== Re-write ==

As I've done with a few other Atari 2600 articles, I've given ''Pitfall!'' a re-write. I've tried to include most of the information that was solid from the old article and spruced it up fall more into line with [[MOS:VG]] standards. I'm going to give it a bit of time for me to read over, but I'll probably submit it for a GA later. Any additional comments are welcome. [[User:Andrzejbanas|Andrzejbanas]] ([[User talk:Andrzejbanas|talk]]) 06:46, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
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