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==concept of life==
The concept of life is not decided by some Islamic Scholar. To say that would be ludicrous. Opinions must be balanced.--[[Special:Contributions/71.102.116.218|71.102.116.218]] ([[User talk:71.102.116.218|talk]]) 19:09, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
:This article doesn't pretend to establish what is the concept of life. This article shows the Islamic point of view and there is no need to balance it.--[[User:Avemundi|Avemundi]] ([[User talk:Avemundi|talk]]) 12:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Article needs revision: it's unclear and contradictory.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/88.169.117.168|88.169.117.168]] ([[User talk:88.169.117.168|talk]]) 11:21, 6 January 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Could you elaborate so that users can fix those problems? –[[User:Roscelese|Roscelese]] ([[User talk:Roscelese|talk]] &sdot; [[Special:Contributions/Roscelese|contribs]]) 17:40, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

: I think what they mean is that it starts off seeming as if Muslims are okay with abortion and it's not so bad, but then it is also saying later on that it is haram (forbidden) but not haram under certain circumstances. I do understand this article myself, but also I can see where some would see this as contradictory or confusing.[[Special:Contributions/50.47.102.200|50.47.102.200]] ([[User talk:50.47.102.200|talk]]) 20:22, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

In the next month or so, I will start adding more information. [[User:Herivelismus|Herivelismus]] ([[User talk:Herivelismus|talk]]) 03:05, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Have corrected the link for Ekrima Sa'id Sabri, former Grand Mufti of Palestine as someone had changed it to a link to a Singaporean football player!  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/82.221.105.49|82.221.105.49]] ([[User talk:82.221.105.49|talk]]) 17:20, 1 August 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Is the intro providing advice, or does it just need to be reworded? ==

"According to Sherman Jackson, 'while abortion, even during the first trimester, is forbidden according to a minority of jurists, it is not held to be an offense for which there are criminal or even civil sanctions,' '''so Muslims should not support''' legal restrictions on abortion rights unsupported by Islamic law, as opposed to solely moral activism.[3]"

Should not support? 
And: "as opposed to..." what does that mean? [[User:BobEnyart|Bob Enyart, Denver KGOV radio host ]] ([[User talk:BobEnyart|talk]]) 13:16, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

== There is no Muslim-majority country that completely bans abortion. ==

This is a rather misleading statement. There are very few countries that ourtight bans abortion but there are maybe even less muslim majority countries where abortion is legal on request. [[User:Samir.Ivarsson|Samir.Ivarsson]] ([[User talk:Samir.Ivarsson|talk]]) 17:06, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Abortion_Laws.svg
:{{ping|Samir.Ivarsson}} Sorry, could you clarify the claim you are making? What do you think is wrong with the intro? [[User:Kamalthebest|Kamalthebest]] ([[User talk:Kamalthebest|talk]]) 05:43, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

::{{ping|Kamalthebest}} Actually I can't remember what my beef was, just re-read it and it seems fine ... [[User:Samir.Ivarsson|Samir.Ivarsson]] ([[User talk:Samir.Ivarsson|talk]]) 00:37, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Samir.Ivarsson}} Ok, well that's good. Glad it was resolved. [[User:Kamalthebest|Kamalthebest]] ([[User talk:Kamalthebest|talk]]) 01:15, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

== Hadith ==

All three ahadith cited in the article talk about compensation to be given to a pregnant woman who has experienced a miscarriage as a result of an assault. What is the connection between this and the permissibility of abortion? [[Special:Contributions/180.183.72.25|180.183.72.25]] ([[User talk:180.183.72.25|talk]]) 15:56, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

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== dubious? ==

{{ping|St.nerol}}, what's the issue with the bits you flagged? –[[User:Roscelese|Roscelese]] ([[User talk:Roscelese|talk]] ⋅ [[Special:Contributions/Roscelese|contribs]]) 21:43, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

:Hi {{ping|Roscelese}}! I think the paragraphs easily could give the impression to give factual descriptions about fetal development. For example, it's simply not correct that a "blood clot forms into flesh" around 80 days after fertilization. (The developing human is classified as a [[fetus]] from the start of week 9 (day 56), and a human foetus, while containing both flesh and blood, is certainly not "blood-clot like".) 

:Perhaps some sentences could be rewritten as to clearly communicate that they describe a traditional islamic view of embryogenesis? (And also specify the tradition? Does current Islamic scholars hold to these descriptions of human development?) −−[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 00:10, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
::{{reply|St.nerol}} I thought it was already pretty clear that this represented a traditional view, not a scientific one, but I see where you're coming from in that that maybe isn't explicitly stated. –[[User:Roscelese|Roscelese]] ([[User talk:Roscelese|talk]] &sdot; [[Special:Contributions/Roscelese|contribs]]) 00:20, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

== Four months ==

Reverted "fourty" days back to four months, in direct quotation from cited source. –[[User:Roscelese|Roscelese]] ([[User talk:Roscelese|talk]] ⋅ [[Special:Contributions/Roscelese|contribs]]) 03:13, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

== COI edit request ==

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Please add the following sentence somewhere in this article:
<blockquote>Among contemporary Sunni scholars, [[Yasir Qadhi]] states that abortion may be performed within the first 40 days of pregnancy "for a very legitimate reason", but is prohibited after that period, at which point [[ensoulment]] occurs.<ref>{{Cite web|title=What Is Islam’s Stance On Abortion?|url=https://www.faithiq.org/Family/What-Is-Islam-s-Stance-On-Abortion-|access-date=2020-10-05|website=www.faithiq.org|language=en-US}}</ref></blockquote>
I think it is necessary to have at least some mention of modern scholars' views on the subject; while I respect Imam Ghazzali, I doubt his opinions, stated several centuries ago, are sufficient in an article on what is a very real issue today.

I have a COI with Shaykh Yasir, so I cannot make the edit myself. Best, [[User:M Imtiaz|M Imtiaz]] ([[User talk:M Imtiaz|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/M Imtiaz|contribs]]) 15:39, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
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:{{aye}} '''Done''', {{u|M Imtiaz}}. [[User:Sdrqaz|Sdrqaz]] ([[User talk:Sdrqaz|talk]]) 12:34, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

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