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I request the module be edited to reflect the changes in [[Special:PermaLink/1062625990]], which add a {{para|target}} parameter. The intention of this parameter is mostly for humor (to look like a fancy link to one thing but really be a link to another thing) in talk and project space. It also has some use in {{tl|format linkr}} as it can allow users to link to pages which would be URL-encoding converted right now. Tests were added in [[Special:PermaLink/1061891226]]. 

{{small|1=FYI, {{u|Nihiltres}}, sorry I keep pinging you, I just have found a lot of issues with your recent update slowly at different times is all, otherwise I would've combined them, but you [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Format_link/sandbox&type=revision&diff=1062620489&oldid=1061136558&diffmode=source forgot to update the sandbox of <nowiki>{{format link}}</nowiki> to point to the sandbox(!)] when you updated the module's name, boy was that an annoying bug to track down while writing this diff, easily accounts for 75% of time spent. I'm not that bright, though, a sharper student would've gotten it quickly.}} {{=3|8}} [[User:Psiĥedelisto|Psiĥedelisto]] ([[User talk:Psiĥedelisto|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Psiĥedelisto|contribs]]) <sup>please ''always'' [[Help:Notifications|ping]]!</sup> 16:04, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

:I don't see the benefit of this change given that the first positional parameter ''already'' specifies the target, and the second already specifies the display. It seems like it complicates the code needlessly, especially as implemented (I'd override the ''output'' of <code>parseLink</code> rather than integrate a second parameter to it). That said, perhaps I'm not interpreting the use-case quite right. What does this add that the template/module can't already do? <span style="white-space:nowrap;">{&#123;[[User:Nihiltres|<span style="color:#233D7A;">Nihiltres</span>]]&#8202;&#124;[[User talk:Nihiltres|talk]]&#8202;&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Nihiltres|edits]]}&#125;</span> 18:21, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
::{{re|Nihiltres}} I don't mind reimplementing, but we should probably agree it's useful before I bother. So, consider e.g. {{code|<nowiki>{{format linkr|:ja:%E5%A1%A9#原料||:ja:%E3%82%B3%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A7%E3%82%A6}}</nowiki>}} which would create {{format linkr/sandbox|:ja:%E5%A1%A9#原料||:ja:%E3%82%B3%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A7%E3%82%A6}}. It is intended mostly for use with {{tl|format linkr}}, mostly where you rely heavily on that template's auto-formatting to remove underscores, URL encoding, etc., and is useless when <code>display</code> is given. All three should never be given. [[User:Psiĥedelisto|Psiĥedelisto]] ([[User talk:Psiĥedelisto|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Psiĥedelisto|contribs]]) <sup>please ''always'' [[Help:Notifications|ping]]!</sup> 19:55, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
:::{{re|Psiĥedelisto}} I think I might still not understand—in particular, the double pipe in your example really complicates it (is it an error?)—but translating to a functional goal, my guess is that you essentially want the option of applying the link formatting to the ''display'', so that e.g. <code><nowiki>{{format link|Display#Section|target=Target}}</nowiki></code> would resolve to <code><nowiki>[[:Target|Display §&amp;nbsp;Section]]</nowiki></code>. Is that a reasonable interpretation? I'm concerned that it's over-specialized, but if it isn't awful to implement and doesn't introduce edge-cases to extant uses, I don't see why not. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">{&#123;[[User:Nihiltres|<span style="color:#233D7A;">Nihiltres</span>]]&#8202;&#124;[[User talk:Nihiltres|talk]]&#8202;&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Nihiltres|edits]]}&#125;</span> 21:27, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
::::{{re|Nihiltres}} Not an error. It skips {{para|display}}, which is also possible. Your example, byte for byte, already works with my sandbox version: {{format link/sandbox|Display#Section|target=Target}}. Now, whether or not this is marginal use is somewhat debatable…I think more people would use {{tl|format linkr}} if they knew about it, because it really speeds up section linking, ''especially'' on foreign-language wikis (I bet this is why it was so quickly copied to Vietnamese Wikipedia). URL encoding and underlines really slow me down. {{=3|8}} [[User:Psiĥedelisto|Psiĥedelisto]] ([[User talk:Psiĥedelisto|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Psiĥedelisto|contribs]]) <sup>please ''always'' [[Help:Notifications|ping]]!</sup> 22:24, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
::::{{re|Nihiltres}} I thought of another use for the feature, which I just used on [[Talk:Furry fandom]]—often I want to link to a section ''in the article'' but write it ''on talk''. So I subst'd the /sandbox form of {{tl|format linkr}} with args {{code|<nowiki>{{format linkr/sandbox|#BDSM||Furry fandom#BDSM}}</nowiki>}} to get [[:Furry fandom#BDSM|§&nbsp;BDSM]]. That's actually very useful in practice, so I hope you'll reconsider this feature's utility. [[User:Psiĥedelisto|Psiĥedelisto]] ([[User talk:Psiĥedelisto|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Psiĥedelisto|contribs]]) <sup>please ''always'' [[Help:Notifications|ping]]!</sup> 02:20, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

{{undent}} {{re|Psiĥedelisto}} I think you've made the case for including the feature, but I'd like to see a sandbox version that doesn't pollute <var>parseLink</var>, so as to uphold the [[single-responsibility principle]]. I'll poke at making a version like that; the main annoyance is that I'll probably need to extract the functionality that does the <code><nowiki>formatting §nbsp;for display</nowiki></code> to separate it from the part that makes a <code><nowiki>[[:link]]</nowiki></code>. I'll probably work on that, oh, next year (remember the current date). ;) <span style="white-space:nowrap;">{&#123;[[User:Nihiltres|<span style="color:#233D7A;">Nihiltres</span>]]&#8202;&#124;[[User talk:Nihiltres|talk]]&#8202;&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Nihiltres|edits]]}&#125;</span> 20:31, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
: Deactivating edit request since I see no need for an uninvolved template editor to do anything here (Nihiltres is an admin and can make then change themselves once they are satisfied) [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 05:16, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
::{{small|Thanks. [[User:Psiĥedelisto|Psiĥedelisto]] ([[User talk:Psiĥedelisto|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Psiĥedelisto|contribs]]) <sup>please ''always'' [[Help:Notifications|ping]]!</sup> 10:11, 4 January 2022 (UTC)}}
:{{re|Psiĥedelisto}} I've implemented a version that's a bit cleaner. Would you please review it? It passes extant tests, but I think that we could probably add a few more to make certain edge-case behaviours more explicit. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">{&#123;[[User:Nihiltres|<span style="color:#233D7A;">Nihiltres</span>]]&#8202;&#124;[[User talk:Nihiltres|talk]]&#8202;&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Nihiltres|edits]]}&#125;</span> 22:53, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
::{{re|Nihiltres}} Only had one suggestion, to use [[Module:Error]]. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module%3AFormat_link%2Fsandbox&type=revision&diff=1063683884&oldid=1063220129]. Looks good!~ [[User:Psiĥedelisto|Psiĥedelisto]] ([[User talk:Psiĥedelisto|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Psiĥedelisto|contribs]]) <sup>please ''always'' [[Help:Notifications|ping]]!</sup> 10:11, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
:::{{re|Psiĥedelisto}} Great, I'll make the update as soon as I've got the time to also update the documentation with all the new stuff. :) <span style="white-space:nowrap;">{&#123;[[User:Nihiltres|<span style="color:#233D7A;">Nihiltres</span>]]&#8202;&#124;[[User talk:Nihiltres|talk]]&#8202;&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Nihiltres|edits]]}&#125;</span> 18:07, 4 January 2022 (UTC)