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Poland

Adam Nowicki

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A few hits came up, but I was only able to find material which mentions Nowicki in passing and not SIGCOV. Seems to be confused with a potential child sexual abuser in BBC hits, so I disambiguated with Marathon in searches. I doubt based on his age that we would find significant offline sources that are not online. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 21:08, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Olympics, Sport of athletics, and Poland. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 21:08, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per pl.wiki article. Needs to be expanded with the original. Svartner (talk) 22:43, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sourcing on the Polish article. – Ike Lek (talk) 01:57, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - @Ike Lek and Svartner: - The sourcing on the PL Wiki article is dubious. The references are:

1) Przegląd Sportowy's Skarb Kibica, which is basically just the Olympics guide published before the games happened, but no page number or article-title is given - the suspicion is that this is just a generic reference.

2) Nowicki's profile on the Polish Olympic comittee's website, but that's neither SIGCOV nor independent.

3)-8), 10) pzla.pl, which is the website of the Polish athletics association, which is not independent.

9) Asics.pl - this is a one-sentence mention of Nowicki EDIT: and ASICs is the footwear brand that sponsored Nowicki.

11) & 12) Polish armed forces website - not independent as Nowicki was a soldier, but also not SIGCOV

The only one of these that is a "possible" is "Skarb Kibica", but that's because I've not been able to find an accessible copy of it. However the description of it here says it has a bio for each athlete, no saying whether it's SIGCOV or not though. FOARP (talk) 18:26, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. He came in 99th out of 115 competitors, so he's run of the mill of the run.Bearian (talk) 15:16, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Basically per above. No clear evidence of SIGCOV. Even if the Skarb Kibica reference is SIGCOV (and this isn't clear) to have a WP:GNG pass there needs to be multiple pieces of SIGCOV, not just one. FOARP (talk) 16:30, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, plenty of coverage: 1 (200 words), 2 (200 words) 3 (250 words) 4 (400 words) 5 and many others (though many brief or interview-y) with a search of "Adam Nowicki maraton" – he's the second-fastest Polish marathoner all-time and has plenty of coverage that comes along with it. Easily notable. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:31, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
1) Pure race-report, no SIGCOV of Nowicki,

2) Basically reporting on what Nowicki posted on Facebook, not independent.

3) Not a WP:NEWSORG pass because no editorial team or policy.

4) Basically an interview with Nowicki ("Adam Nowicki admits.... Nowicki knew...") just doesn't use quotation marks for the quotes and/or paraphrasing what he says. FOARP (talk) 17:42, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Zyta Jarka

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Declined PROD; unable to find significant coverage listed here or on the Polish article. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 14:22, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Poland at the 1988 Summer Olympics#Rowing – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 16:49, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per the SIGCOV in the museum just like for the other Polish rower you nominated. It includes details such as that she was known as "a piece of Polish rowing history" and "for many years a solid driving force for many important teams." She was a 17-time national championship medalist and received the title Master of Sport. Just like Elwira Lorenz, she has many books (some of the same ones) that devoted pages of coverage to her. She's clearly notable just like Lorenz: @Svartner: BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:20, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I feel compelled to quote @JoelleJay on the Elwira Lorenz discussion: the museum is run by the governing sports body (Academic Sports Association, AZS), so is explicitly not independent. Same thing here. 17-time national championship and the museum is certainly grounds for draftification, but not for sole usage of the museum as a reliable source. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 13:06, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The notability comes from all the books that are known to have covered her per the museum. See WP:NEXIST. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:20, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Can you find such sources? If sufficient sources that could be cited are locatable, then they should be able to be added. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 20:55, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per BeanieFan11. Ike Lek (talk) 22:29, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Elżbieta Jankowska (rower)

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Only three results appear on Google. No SIGCOV. Per @Schwede66, discussion is likely where we should redirect this to. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 21:17, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Note "wioślarka" is Polish for "rower", for those searching. Jankowska was one of 12 athletes presented with honours from the Polish Olympic Committee in 2015 for her contributions promoting sport in Poland. [1] [2] Coverage very likely with more than this (literal first page of Google results) search. Kingsif (talk) 23:03, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Double world university champion (1986), and Polish champion (1987) before her Olympics appearance (mini-bio). There also appears to be a whole report coverage of her on page 30 of this 1998 newspaper (pdf opens in browser), which I've not been able to type out and translate completely yet, but mentions that besides being a PE teacher she organised the only sports school in a certain region of Poland and personally recruited kids (I think I found the website for the school which said she joined in 1994?). Kingsif (talk) 23:25, 10 July 2025 (UTC) Passing mention as early as 1984 in local news, might be a good newspaper archive to sift through.[reply]
Concerned about the independence of the first source so I would say try to find another more independent one (especially if it looks like it's endorsed by the , but the second one does seem promising. A google translate of that article displays this:

On the sidelines of this year's rowing recruitment. Elżbieta Jankowska, M.A., put a lot of heart and work into organizing the sports class at the only Sports Championship School in our city and region. She visited many primary schools in the voivodeship and in Płock, where rowing is the oldest sport and the cradle of sports in general in the city on the Vistula River. It is a discipline that has produced 10 Olympians (out of 12 in the history of Płock sports), including 5 Olympic medalists. The only woman practicing sports in our city who has had the honor of representing our city and Poland in the Olympic Games is Elżbieta Jankowska. Unfortunately, she was not allowed to meet with the youth at Primary School No. 17. World Junior Championship medalists Jerzy Bednarski, Krzysztof Michalski, and many other Polish rowing representatives once studied at this school. It would be unwise to not let an Olympian and rowing coach into the school.

Interesting. It's a strong start, but my primary concern isn't necessarily the amount of coverage but rather the amount of tabloid nature that the paper seems to write in praise of Jankowska. More of an opinion piece. It's significant coverage, but not SIGCOV, if you know what I mean. Regardless of my scrutiny on the sources, this is a very strong start regardless, though. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 12:47, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Here are some sources that can be possibly used:
- Commemorative medals of the 100th anniversary of the Polish Association of Rowing Societies were awarded by Bogusław Kołodziejak , secretary of the historical commission of the Polish Rowing Association, to Olympians Elżbieta Jankowska and Piotr Buchalski. PZTW - 2023
- Zespół Szkół Technicznych in Płock is the school, which she joined 1994
In 1994, Elżbieta Jankowska and Jacek Karolak (a graduate of the first year of SMS) joined the coaching staff... zstplock.pl
- That's interesting but I can't access the book - Płockie Towarzystwo Wioślarskie. 130 lat tradycji, oprac. Aleksander Zalewski, Płock 2012, s. 5-13 (book as soruce stated in polish wiki [3]) or the PDF [4], if you google it (first result ) :
In 1978, the club returned to its traditional name, Płock Rowing Association, while retaining the "Budowlani" suffix to honor its construction sponsors. ... In 1985, this class was transformed into the Sports Championship School, which operates to this day. Until the 1980s, PTW Płock achieved success almost exclusively in the men's category. The first women's gold medal at the Polish Senior Championships was won in the four-man event in 1987, and a year later Elżbieta Jankowska became the first Olympian in PTW history. Miria~01 (talk) 21:11, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, per Kingsif. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:17, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Left guide (talk) 22:34, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per discussed sources. Ike Lek (talk) 23:27, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above. Nixleovel (He/They) (Talk • Contribs) 04:48, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of German exonyms in the Greater Poland Voivodeship

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not notable Chidgk1 (talk) 18:45, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into List of German names for places in Poland. Kiwipete (talk) 19:53, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like this merge could make more sense the other way around. Ike Lek (talk) 01:35, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Per consistent consensus in similar AfDs Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of European exonyms

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Afrikaans exonyms Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ukrainian exonyms These kinds of lists fail WP:NOTDICT and WP:NOTCATALOG. They are indiscriminate compilations of name variants without sufficient reliable secondary sources or encyclopedic context. Exonyms are language artifacts better suited for dictionaries or linguistic glossaries, not standalone encyclopedia entries. Cameremote (talk) @gonisulaimann 01:34, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 02:33, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Two out of the three AfDs you list as "consistent consensus" closed as no consensus. Ike Lek (talk) 06:56, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Can't even be merged because this is explicitly a sub-list of List of German names for places in Poland, which has sub-lists for all the other provinces except for one which was literally PROD'd 9 hours ago. At best, the full list could be arranged to be separated based on province, but there should not be separate sub-lists for the different provinces. Weirdguyz (talk) 08:35, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge or delete. It seems that there might be a stronger argument that German language placenames are more notable in some parts of Poland than others due to the history. I think I see this in some references, but I don't have the knowledge to assess them. Even then, I suspect a rearrange/merge in context at List of German names for places in Poland makes more sense than repeating the same information over several other lists. JMWt (talk) 20:06, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
merge as above !Metallurgist (talk) 23:07, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Elwira Lorenz

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Unable to find Significant Coverage in Independent, Reliable, and Non-Database Sources. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 14:34, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Did you check any Polish newspaper archives? The Małgorzata Rosiak AFD already confirms that there is coverage not available on the internet for top Polish sportspeople. Meanwhile, here, the Polish Wikipedia article describes her as holding the national championship in the "coxless pair, double sculls, coxless quadruple sculls, coxed quadruple sculls and double quadruple sculls" every year from 1979 to 1990. That is an insane number of national championships and indicates it is virtually certain coverage exists. We just need to look... BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:35, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Polish WP article doesn't have SIGCOV sources. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 17:21, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't answer the question. Ike Lek (talk) 01:38, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"The Małgorzata Rosiak AFD already confirms that there is coverage not available on the internet for top Polish sportspeople" - No, what it "confirms" is that sportspeople in highly niche sports (as snowboarding was in the 90's) aren't necessarily notable. FOARP (talk) 15:12, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Given that she's notable, no, it does not "confirm" anything of the sort. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:27, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You think the assurance by the article subject that she "has SIGCOV" is proof of notability?... JoelleJay (talk) 04:49, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"has SIGCOV" is not what she said. She said multiple newspapers wrote in-depth stories focusing on her. That's a pretty strong indication that she ... had in-depth stories written about her (i.e. SIGCOV). BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:43, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Poland at the 1988 Summer Olympics#Rowing – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 04:09, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - No SIGCOV, no article. That simple. FOARP (talk) 15:13, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. @InvadingInvader, Svartner, and FOARP: It'd be nice if people actually looked. This museum gave an in-depth biography of her with its very own bibliography section – that includes a page of coverage to her in Głuszek, Leksykon 1999, five pages in Kobendza, 80 lat PZTW, a page in Miniatury czyli filigranowe portrety wielkich dam polskiego sportu ("Portraits of the Grand Ladies of Polish Sport"), a page in Pawlak, Olimpijczycy, and two pages in AWF Warszawa w Igrzyskach Olimpijskich 1952-2000. That's a clear indication of SIGCOV. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:16, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
SIGCOV per WP:N needs more than one source, though, which demonstrate as to why a subject is notable. Can you find more? InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:22, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Did you read my comment? a page of coverage to her in Głuszek, Leksykon 1999, five pages in Kobendza, 80 lat PZTW, a page in Miniatury czyli filigranowe portrety wielkich dam polskiego sportu ("Portraits of the Grand Ladies of Polish Sport"), a page in Pawlak, Olimpijczycy, and two pages in AWF Warszawa w Igrzyskach Olimpijskich 1952-2000 BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:24, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Links? InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 15:30, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not everything is on the internet; and "Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources". BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:32, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Can you prove such existence? You have access to newspaper clippings that I don't. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 20:28, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have any reason to doubt the existence of the sources the museum listed as discussing her? My access to Polish newspapers is very limited. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:45, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am personally unsure about the museum quite frankly, with regard to its independence and amount of significant coverage. And based on the number of athletes the museum provides, part of me also wants to say that it's borderline passing mention. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 21:09, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
300 words is not a "passing mention". And aside from that: do you have any reason to believe that the book sources the museum says cover her do not cover her? BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:45, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Academic Sports Association writing mini-biographies of its own athletes is definitely not an independent source. The amount of content in the cited sources, and their independence, is unclear. JoelleJay (talk) 05:00, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per BeanieFan11 – Ike Lek (talk) 21:01, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per BeanieFan11; and 4th place in 1987 world championsnip & 2nd place in 1989 world championship - per World Rowing — ERcheck (talk) 00:35, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep: The coverage from BeanieFan11 appears to be sufficient for the GNG here, although if definitive evidence can be shown that the museum is not reliable or independent in regards to the cited material, please ping me. Let'srun (talk) 16:49, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Let'srun, the museum is run by the governing sports body (Academic Sports Association, AZS), so is explicitly not independent. JoelleJay (talk) 17:34, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I was actually referring to the bibliography cited there. Let'srun (talk) 18:21, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - open to draftification. The independence of the sources provided is a concern, but the article may be able to be incubated. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 17:23, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose draftification. Unlike Rosiak, where I'm actively in the process of collecting SIGCOV, I am not in that position here. Knowing SIGCOV exists is sufficient per WP:NEXIST. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:41, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, as I see extant concerns regarding the independence of sources identified here.
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