Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Sandstein 06:49, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria

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This article about a Light novel series has been tagged since August 2010 for lack of notability and reliable sources. The article does not seem to meet any of the notability criteria for books, particularly, the book has not been the subject of "multiple, independant, non-trivial" reviews or articles, has not won any major literary award, and its authors (Eiji Mikage and Tetsuo) appear to be relatively unknown (and they don't even have an entry here). Folken de Fanel (talk) 13:58, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. -- —Farix (t | c) 14:33, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:06, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Although it's fairly short, it does have references for it's size, even if it does mainly focus on the pulications. It just needs some expansion. and a few more refs anad it will be notable to be a "start" class at least. But if it can't be helped, then perhaps delete is good too.Bread Ninja (talk) 19:15, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the problem is precisely that there doesn't seem to be any reliable source for this, the article has been tagged since August, and besides blogs, there really isn't anything about it on the net. How long is it going to stay tagged if the article is kept ? Just assuming we might find something one day isn't helpful, if you think the article should be kept then provide sources right now, otherwise it's just postponing the inevitable. If the article is kept, as you propose, without it being sourced and without it being compliant to thenotability criteria for books, then it will go to AfD again, and that would be a waste of time. Either we find sources, or we delete, I didn't find any source, neither did you, so on what basis should it be kept ? I don't see any.Folken de Fanel (talk) 20:54, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

well imysefl aren't good at finding sources related to novels. But if someone who knows more on reliable sources then it would be good. I'm not so sure how reliable fan site's reviews are. sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. just like ANN, it's situational. have you posted this to the WP:ANIME or WP:NOVEL before?Bread Ninja (talk) 03:20, 18 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If they're fan sites reviews then they're unreliable (Wikipedia:RS#Self-published sources(online_and_paper)). ANN is a professional website, fans can't post reviews there. I went through all the google results about "Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria" and I could only find forums, fan wikis and fan blogs. The search with the japanese title only gave what looked like blogs and commercial websites like Amazon. I did post a note about this AfD on WP:Anime, but people didn't seem to be interested in it. Well then, I'm going to ask for help in establishing notability through reviews, and we'll see. But I'm sure we won't find much.Folken de Fanel (talk) 08:42, 18 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've reopened a discussion at WP:Anime here, and as you can see, no source has been found, even in japanese, and no one seems to know the books. The article still doesn't fit the notability criteria for books, which say the must have been the subject of "multiple, independant, non-trivial" reviews or articles, I really think it should be deleted.Folken de Fanel (talk) 08:46, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

COnsidering there isn't enough information, and hardly any repliable sources i change my mind to '"Delete". I originally intended to change my first one to delete, but for some reason, i wasn't fully aware and though i put delete instead of keep.Bread Ninja (talk) 10:49, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No notable reviews. When at least two notable reviews are found or the light novel is adapted into an anime, then a new article can be created. As it is right now, there isn't enough information to believe that this has notability per WP:BK. Jfgslo (talk) 15:28, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.