Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pierre-Richard Gaetjens

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:36, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pierre-Richard Gaetjens

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Declined prod. Added third party sources do not establish notability. This is just a funeral listing and this is about his wife and not Pierre-Richard. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 22:36, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Olympics, Sport of athletics, and Haiti. LibStar (talk) 22:36, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:LibStar, how do you know the second source is only about the wife? Most of the article is paywalled at the server side. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joaquim Ferreira (athlete), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chae Hong-nak, and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adalberto García for recent AfDs on Olympians of similar notability which is why I'm not sure if the research was done here. --Habst (talk) 01:04, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I highly doubt it is SIGCOV on Pierre-Richard if the headline is about his wife. If the headline was "Pierre-Richard Gaetjens the athlete did..." then yes. You cannot claim similar notability to other athletes as there is simply a lack of sources. As you would agree, every article needs to be assessed on its merits and not compared to others. LibStar (talk) 01:09, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, every article needs to be assessed on its merits, and so does every source -- we can't assess it if it hasn't even been read yet.

On the merits, regardless of whether or not the above source pans out the subject was documented as the youngest Hatian Olympian ever and their first 100m sprinter to qualify since 1932 -- so I think there's something to that. Per this case, there is no single bar of achievement for Olympic athletics competitors, and standards of achievement vary a lot by region. Seeing how the subject was able to be the first in so long, I think there's a good argument that sources exist per WP:NEXIST. --Habst (talk) 01:38, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No admin has ever closed an AfD as keep based on NEXIST. LibStar (talk) 02:09, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's not true at all, there have been hundreds of keep decisions based on NEXIST. Here's a crude regex search to find some of them: [1] --Habst (talk) 12:33, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You can log into the newspaper with your Google account, it's not paywalled. The article is about a kidnapping, then goes on to talk about criminal gangs in Haiti and armoured cars... It is not even SIGCOV about the kidnapping. This athlete is tangential, mentioned in the first few lines of the article. Oaktree b (talk) 00:37, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Did you read the article, Habst? It's not paywalled at all. I've created an account, you just log in with your Google account. It's very much not about this person, nor is it helpful. Oaktree b (talk) 00:50, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't, because I didn't know there was a free way to access it. I accept that that particular article isn't helpful, I didn't find it. --Habst (talk) 14:52, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Very much non-notable. This is about all I could find [2], one name in a list of all athletes at various events. As my other comment explains, the Nouvelliste article isn't about this person, not are they even mentioned more than once. There is no sourcing about this person, sourcing used in the article is basically only confirmation of competing in the Olympics. Oaktree b (talk) 00:42, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A .ht websearch does not turn up anything either [3]. There is no sourcing I can find about this individual. Oaktree b (talk) 00:45, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

On WP:V information, there are 11 newspaper hits that are definitely about the subject, but only sports results. The issue is that neither Google Books nor newspapers.com includes Hatian newspapers from August/September 1972, like Le Matin or Le Nouvelliste or Le Moniteur. --Habst (talk) 14:57, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, we can't assume anything, we can only review what sources we have. I didn't find any articles about this person. Oaktree b (talk) 13:11, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per lack of significant coverage, as well as an indication on what events would have led to significant coverage. Geschichte (talk) 18:39, 17 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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