Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jennifer Little

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The result was delete. Wifione _.......^{Leave a message} 20:46, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jennifer Little

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Subjected identified as a Broadway/film actress. Only an ensemble member in one performance (according to the IBDB [1]) and no listing at the IMDb.[2] Fails WP:PEOPLE. –Dream out loud (talk) 00:26, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:01, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Well... just as IMDB is not considered suitable as the final arbiter in a film and television actor's career, neither is IBDB reliable or up-to-date for stage actors. Sources are easily available to show this individual AS having done far more than one or two significant roles in notable (stage) productions. It's always best to look beyond two non-RS in making any determination. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 00:44, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I'm afraid the subject simply does not have enough notability. Virtually nothing in Google News and nothing in Google Books. Only two very small parts on Broadway, can be verified. Only an ensemble Member in a charity concert performance of Chess organized by Michael Cerveris [3]. Apparently sang the title role in Mame in a small town production [4]. If anything only a regional winner in the The MacAllister Awards (for young opera singers). Voceditenore (talk) 19:27, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- A deeper look finds that she indeed has received positive critical response for her in significant roles in multiple notable stage productions. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 00:44, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete In reading through some of the blog sites related to this artist (which are probably true but not reliable per wikipedia standards), it seems that Little has sung Carlotta in The Phantom of the Opera in several professional touring productions in Europe and the United States. Indeed, she seems to have an extensive amount of experience in notable touring shows of this kind; especially in Europe. However, these types of shows have no database records and are difficult to find verifiable references for. If reliable sources for these could be found than I will change my vote to keep.4meter4 (talk) 22:30, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- See sources offered below. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 00:44, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - There's an argument to be made that this person could pass WP:GNG but I can't see them passing WP:ENT and as such I'm voting delete on this one. Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 17:23, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, for a stage actress, the positive coverage for her significant roles in multiple notable stage productions meets or exceeds both WP:ENT and WP:GNG. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 00:44, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There's an element of COI and "CV posting" to this article. (The creator is SngrLittle) That isn't a reason to delete, but I suspect some of the CV is a little "padded" given the paucity of information. Not a reliable source, but the Phantom cast lists here and here say that she sang a small role in the US Phantom tour (Madame Firmin) and was only the understudy for Carlotta in 3 cities on provincial tours in the US and possibly Germany. Little, herself has also provided a brief bio for the site which lists a lot of opera roles, but in my experience, singers often include ones they sang in student productions or community productions. If they were in major opera houses, they would say so. And I can find no opera reviews mentioning her. She does seem to have played the lead in an off-off-broadway production of Madame Bovary, the musical. It's all awfully thin. I'm willing to change my mind if someone can up with something concrete though. But watch out when searching because there is another soprano from New Zealand with the same name [5]. Voceditenore (talk) 18:20, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- And now that the article is Wikipedia's, we can use available sources to address issues through regular editing. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 00:44, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per actress meeting WP:ENT for her significant roles in multiple notable {stage) productions, and for meeting WP:GNG with her positive critical comentary in multiple reliable sources: Washington Post (2000)Morning Call (2004), Intelligencer (2004), and more Issues with tone and style are now best addressed through regular editing, and not through deletion because they have not yet been done. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 00:44, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I had seen all the sources you've listed and had considered them before I !voted "delete". The first one is not about this person at all. (I have access to the complete articles through my subscription to Highbeam Research [6]) It is about a student at Lee High School in Northern Virginia who won a local student theatre award for her choreography of her school's show called Makiddo. The next two are nearly identical preview articles in the local Allentown press for a small-town production of Mame - not critical commentary or reviews and definitely not a notable production (it's not even an official Broadway touring show, just a one-off production by a local businessman). The general Google News search results, do not yield anything that has already been covered in this discussion and many of them do not even refer to this Jennifer Little. As for notable multiple productions, I disagree that the very small roles and understudy and ensemble parts that she's been confirmed as playing qualify. The only one that might conceivably qualify is the Madame Bovary role in an off-Broadway theatre that seats 100 people.[7] The problem here is not the style and tone of the article. That can be fixed. The problem is its failure to reach the notability guidelines. I've rescued quite a few articles from AfD that originally began as autobiographies or COI (e.g. Dennis Ferry, Simone Tomassini, Family Opera Initiative, Marco Lazzara). But in my opinion, this one is not rescue-able on the bases of the sources which have been found. Voceditenore (talk) 12:58, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at all the evidence, I can't see that any of the sources show notability - either on the stub or as raised by MichaelQSchmidt. Sorry, but there is no proof that she's notable. Delete, subject to when she actually makes it big. Break a leg, kiddo. Bearian (talk) 17:40, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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