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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Courcelles 19:24, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FriendlySeats

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Lack of notability. The only online information about this software are press releases of the own software company. Quest09 (talk) 16:44, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW: I'm not an admin, but page logs show that it has been deleted earlier as WP:G12 (copyright violation) about 2 months ago. Ipsign (talk) 13:30, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We have added the links to third-party resources:

This is the major software and IT website in Russian segment Internet. It is definetely not affilated with authors. http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/DIY/98293/

NoNaMe website - also a major russian IT technology website and blog http://nnm.ru/blogs/DemArAl/friendly_seats_multimonitornaya_sistema_dlya_vashego_kompyutera/

This website is also not affilated with the author, but compares FriendlySeats with Windows Multipoint server http://www.istartedsomething.com/20100115/windows-multipoint-server-multiseat-computing-solution-worthy-home/

Also, this new article was completely rewritten from scratch and does not contain copyright infrigement like the old one.

Please remove Deletion Template. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.193.99.76 (talk) 22:46, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Creator account is interesting: Padrecamara (talk · contribs). Created an OK page back in April 2009, recently came back seemingly only to create this page. The wording of the page is fairly spammy, and an anon IP posted above regarding how "we" have added links. Some of the refs, such as LA Business, Yahoo Finance, and Daily Finance, are simply reprinting the same October 4th press release. The "comparison of FriendlySeats with Windows Multipoint server" does not mention FriendlySeats by name, but links to it's website as an example of a product, probably because of google rank. The Russian reference I can only read by way of Google Translate, and it looks like it's some sort of press release. (Although is not the same as the Oct 4 one.) The habrahabr.ru ref is simply a single YouTube video, and does not appear to establish notability. Delete as NN spam with RS problems. OSbornarfcontributionatoration 04:07, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per my earlier comment & In addition, whois shows friendlyseats.com has a registrant address ending "Kyiv, Kyiv 04211 Ukraine" while 82.193.99.76 is delegated to an address in Kiev Ukraine. According to the Kiev article, Kyiv is an alternate transliteration of Kiev. While an anon editor and a business being in the same city isn't remarkable I find it strange that the editor should edit a (to them) foreign language Wikipedia to promote non-notable software. I suspect COI and agree with OSborn's assessment as NN spam with RS problems.Kiore (talk) 07:11, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'd like to work on the issues that you have brought up. Multiseat systems are widely used, and the main software programs that belong to this category are from big companies (HP, Microsoft...). FriendlySeats is not developed by a big company but, as a multiseat system, I honestly believed that it was worth an article. The article on Multiseat configuration mentioned it until yesterday, when the link was deleted for being considered a hidden ad. I assume this happened because it was marked for deletion. I have edited the references- deleted 2 of the 3 links to press releases and changed the habrahabr.ru reference to the YouTube link with the video tutorial. I have also tried to find what you considered "spammy" (resembling an ad I guess) about the article and have rephrased the description of the product and deleted the sentences where I described the interface as intuitive and the installation as simple. As far as I know I have some time to try to improve the article so I will take your comments into consideration for possible further edits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Padrecamara (talk • contribs) 10:14, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Firstly may I suggest that you read Wikipedia:COI. Secondly taking the "references" on the page:
  1. Yahoo finance begins "Press Release Source: Friendly Seats Team"
  2. I Started something page doesn't seem to mention your product in the text, except for a rather strange link to your site. I'm not saying this is the case here, but I am aware of bloggers who have been approached by SEO marketers asking them to do similar links on old pages. Interestingly the page is blocked at archive.org ... Also, is "I started something" a reliable source?
  3. NoNaMe.ru uses javascript that throws google translate into a reload loop. When I cut the text out of the page source & ran it through google translate it looks suspiciously like your press release. Also, is NoNaMe.ru a reliable source?
  4. FriendlySeats.com - your site
  5. Distrowatch - definitely a reliable source, unfortunately all it's really confirming is that ubuntu is the most popular Linux distribution download.
  6. Youtube - not a reliable reference.

In short, I don't see any reliable independent references for the notability of your product & WP:COI tells me you shouldn't be editing the article on it. Kiore (talk) 11:09, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: I have proposed this article for deletion and still believe it was right. I just have to add that Padrecamara cannot address all the issues brought here, since the problem is not only the article itself but the lack of notability. Quest09 (talk) 11:53, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This article is not spam, and the software surely has reliable sources. This software is used used in a study in National University on Ukraine "Kiev Polytechnic Institute". There is an article on the University Website about the software, and the link will also be provided. Please do not delete the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.47.129.50 (talk) 14:40, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: putting a link into the article, even to a university, still doesn't make it notable. Not everything that is produced at a university is notable. Quest09 (talk) 17:33, 18 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1. The Site NoName.ru is a notable russian software website. It has been online since 2001, and it has pre-moderation and ranking system. See the translation of the article here: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://nnm.ru/blogs/DemArAl/friendly_seats_multimonitornaya_sistema_dlya_vashego_kompyutera/&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhhsmA9pegF3pu4xVKiKUa8PKC_mgQ It doesd not contain javascript, I could view it in Mozilla Firefox with no problem. The users rate the articles that worth publishing on the blog. So this definetely cannot be payed.

2. Istartedsomething was not payed at all. Do you think that the link to that states "existing third-party Windows multiseat solutions" is worth bying? Who on Earth will search on google for "existing third-party Windows multiseat solutions"? This is ridiculous.

3. Article on the University webiste is not about a software itself, it is an article that mentioned systems are used widely on the faculty of near 4000 students. This IS notable

4. habrahabr.ru resourse, which published a video, is a very popular Russian weblog and the articles are only published with voting of many editors. The price of the pulishment of the "paid" article is only affordable for Microsoft, Intel, Samsung and several other big companies. The video was pulished on this resource means that the software is notable.

1. noname.ru forwards me to daiting.ru, which could be a very notable dating site, I guess, but there is nothing related to software in it.
2. Istartedsomething is a blog like many others, and without Pagerank. Nobody accused FriendlySeats of paying for the PR release. It is simply self-publishing, which is non-notable, no matter if you pay or not.
3. Couldn't check it. However, simply been used by an institution doesn't make something notable.
4. Another blog without Pagerank.
I now believe that this is a case of strong delete.
Quest09 (talk) 16:19, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1. nnm.ru, not noname.ru PR of nnm.ru is 5/10

2. istartedsomething.com has PR 6/10

3. The link will follow

4. habrahabr.ru has PR 7/10

Personal attack removed. Courcelles 16:01, 20 November 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.193.99.92 (talk) 12:06, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment FWIW: I don't believe that Google PR has any relevance to notability; I feel it falls under the same category as WP:GOOGLEHITS. If my assumption is correct, all references to Google PR above become irrelevant (from both sides). Ipsign (talk) 13:26, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'm pretty sure that all of nnm.ru, istartedsomething.com, and habrahabr.ru have no editorial oversight, therefore content there qualifies as self-published and is inadmissible for notability purposes per WP:GNG. Ipsign (talk) 13:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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