Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Embox

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:11, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Embox

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Not yet notable, find some Google hits but nothing reliable so far. TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 21:41, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. -- Jclemens-public (talk) 00:09, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. It fails WP:GNG as it does not have significant coverage. --Slon02 (talk) 02:12, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I tagged it for speedy deletion initially, and I'm surprised (as with a few other instances) that WP:SNOW wasn't invoked here. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 03:20, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I can find scarcely any independent coverage in reliable sources at all. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:14, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This OS is being developed by students and teachers of Saint-Peterburg State University. Why this page is worse than other wikipedia pages about OS? This project is used for teaching students as well as researching architecture of OS. For example MINIX is used for the same goals. Abondarev (talk) 16:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC) — Abondarev (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

*Keep This is rather interesting project. What about mentioned rules - in length of time an amount of information will increase and the page will be full of content. SunnyA (talk) 17:12, 30 November 2010 (UTC) — SunnyA (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Comment: Neither Abondarev nor SunnyA has made any edit in Wikipedia other than those set out above. Both make similar grammatical mistakes as those made by the page creator, Sikmir. — TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 17:56, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Neither Abondarev nor SunnyA has made any edit in Wikipedia other than those set out above. It seems that there is no way to log in on English Wikipedia using account on Russian site. At least I had to create a new one here. Sikmir had likely too (compare his en contribs and ru contribs). Abusalimov (talk) 19:31, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Both make similar grammatical mistakes as those made by the page creator, Sikmir. This is because initial content of the article was taken from a page of the project's own wiki. The page in turn has been written by Abondarev. Abusalimov (talk) 19:36, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep The article is being translated from Russian. Give us some time. Abusalimov (talk) 19:15, 30 November 2010 (UTC) *Keep This is a promising real time operating system! Sena1or (talk) 22:00, 30 November 2010 (UTC) — Sena1or (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Keep Not yet notable, find some Google hits but nothing reliable so far. Does [1] not reliable source as proof of existence? As said above, OS is under active development now, so it's not in Google Top yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sikmir (talk • contribs) 23:29, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Keep in mind WP:CRYSTAL. As you say, it's currently under development. You're also saying that it's not in Google Top yet. In order for a Wikipedia article topic to meet notability requirements, it must already be notable now- not have the potential to be notable in the future when it is finished. --Slon02 (talk) 00:14, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Response to Sikmir: Yes it is reliable proof of existence, but that's irrelevant since existence, relevance, or promise (or similarity to other OS articles, for that matter) isn't the standard for inclusion in Wikipedia. See my following comments for explanation. — TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 14:43, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep I think this is a promising project. Embedded Systems are quite relevant. LediMM 16:34, 1 December 2010 (UTC) — LediMM (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Comment: Please note that whether a project is promising or interesting or is real does not make any difference. The standard for retention at Wikipedia — English WP, at least, the rules may be different at Russian WP — is "notability" as defined in the verifiability policy and refined in the notability guidelines. The issue isn't whether proof of existence can be given, but whether reliable proof of "notability" exists. (I put notability in quotation marks because "notability", as that term is used at Wikipedia, is both procedurally and conceptually different from dictionary-definition notability.) — TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 14:43, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Once again, Sena1or and LediMM have no edits except in this discussion. Both seem to like the word "promising". — TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 14:43, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sikmir, a bunch of these accounts are sockpuppets, and I've struck their comments as such. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 18:13, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'm sorry, but I think, TransporterMan and others are wrong about user Sikmir and this discussion in general. First of all I suggest you visit site ohloh.net and look for project embox. This site is rather popular in open source community. If you look through contributers of this project you can find that sikmir Sunny and others users who you seem the same person, have different account for a long time. My name is Anton Bondarev (abondarev) for wikipedia, I have several commits too. The reason why we make the same mistakes is we use "russian english". I'm sorry again. It seems embox doesn't have references in english google, but it has several references in russian google, including links to science's and student's works. And may be this page does not have significant coverage for all people, but for this project's developers it does. I think Sikmir just wanted to tell about this project (his work) to people from other universities. Sorry for my poor english. Abondarev (talk) 22:56, 3 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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