Talk:Government by algorithm

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Merge with Artificial Intelligence in Government

All algorithms for government and regulation except artificial intelligence seem to belong into e-Government idea. Even Blockchain is mostly mentioned as e-Government. --Geysirhead (talk) 19:51, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I tend close my merge suggestion. Artificial intelligence in government should concentrate on AI and this article on the actual form of government. --Geysirhead (talk) 17:23, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Primary sourced claim of first use

Recent edits to claim that this was 'first used' by Aneesh in 2002 are nonsensical given the rest of the history section. Even if we took the claims at first value, the papers referenced do not support that this was the 'first' use, and since they are all WP:PRIMARY (that is, all written by Aneesh himself), any inclusion of these claims is undue weight. - MrOllie (talk) 20:19, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The term "Algocracy" implies "Government by Algorithm". The first use of the term was justified by the edits made, and MrOllie is clearly engaging in practices that aren't attentive to the level of detail needed. The papers referenced certainly do support that the word "Algocracy" was first used in 2002, and MrOllie has failed to justify his omissions. Any exclusion of counter-claims is undue weight, given the absence of counter-evidence, and while edits are welcome, complete omissions would indicate bias and inaccuracy. - Shiv issar (talk) 17:32, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That is not what you're actually edit warring to keep in the article, and as this is not an article about the term 'Algocracy', that is entirely irrelevant. - MrOllie (talk) 17:37, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I do believe that the rather unhelpful practice of omitting a piece entirely was brought in by you, MrOllie. The author quite clearly states in the article(s) cited that the term "Algocracy" refers to "Government by Algorithm". If you have any constructive edits to recommend, based on the sources cited, or any other related sources, I'm all ears. - Shiv issar (talk) 17:39, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The author can say whatever he likes, it is clear that this concept existed well before 2002. - MrOllie (talk) 17:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

MrOllie - As I've asked, time and again, where is your evidence of the concept being articulated in the exhaustive manner that it has been? Where is the source that shows it being used as an entire system, as opposed to a component of a bureaucratic/legal or market-based system? My many thanks to Johncdraper - this page will certainly be important this century. - Shiv issar (talk) 17:51, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This information is already in the history section. We've got an article that currently says that the Chilean government built a system in the 70s, and then claims that someone else 'first used' the idea in 2002. Nonsense. - MrOllie (talk) 18:00, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

removed "first"--Geysirhead (talk) 10:01, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Request for help

Hi! I rated this Mid for WP:Scipol and created the Regulation of Artificial Intelligence page. This page will be increasingly important this century and needs the External Links and Bibliography cleaned up (and read), so as to improve this page. Thank you. Johncdraper (talk) 17:45, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Section on trading platforms ?

Perhaps a section on trading platforms (water trading, carbon emissions trading, perhaps even currency trading and stock trading) would need to be used. The idea is that prices follow demand and supply, meaning the best possibly price can be attained for the commodity, but to some extent it also helps governments as it also indirectly helps to preserve water better (and make better use of it due to higher pricing) and it similarly has benefits for reducing carbon emissions. In finance, it may help companies in a similar way. --Genetics4good (talk) 12:49, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Track and trace in government services

Are there any publically viewable (html-based) track and trace systems in government services (in example for specific government tasks such as preparing and delivering driving licenses (after a successful driving test has been completed), checking reported possible leaks of dangerous liquids (i.e. pcb's, ...) ? I'm particularly thinking of systems that allow

showing the entire waiting queue
show the entire amount of tasks on the waiting list
show percentage of tasks completed
show the exact progress rate per month (in %)
allow showing a report for review of finished tasks

--Genetics4good (talk) 10:18, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]