Talk:Valet will ich dir geben

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A fact from Valet will ich dir geben appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 16 April 2014 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Sterbelied "Valet will ich dir geben" is described in a subtitle as a song of consolation, in which a pious heart bids farewell to this world?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2014/April. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Valet will ich dir geben.

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Will?

Gerda, what would you say was the force of the "will" in the title, at the time this was written? Moonraker (talk) 01:36, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know much about a different meaning then, from today's "I make an effort to (even if it is hard / doesn't come naturally)". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:11, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

First verse

Has anyone ever published a translation of this hymn? Here's an attempt at the first verse. (The need to find rhymes always changes the meaning slightly.) Moonraker (talk) 02:06, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Now fare thee well, I say to thee,

Thou false, ungodly World;

Thy plagues of sin and evil

I care no more to see.

My heart is fixed on Heaven,

There now I long to be;

May the Lord God's lordly welcome

For his servants come to me.

Beautiful. I started this article - improvement welcome - in memory of Cindy. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:58, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

About the "title"

Christoph Albrecht was wrong about what he called the title of the hymn. For German speaking users: de:Diskussion:Valet will ich dir geben#„Ein andächtiges Gebet“. --Rabanus Flavus (talk) 21:03, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Understand. Can you fix it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:20, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nein, bitte, dein Englisch ist besser und du kennst die Gebräuche hier :) Gruß, --Rabanus Flavus (talk) 21:43, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

nur nicht gleich, nicht auf der Stell - I am behind with 2 recent deaths, uncounted reviews due, promises to help (see my talk), not even speaking of article writing ...

Moonraker, can you please translate the "real" title "VALET VALERII HERBERGERI, das er der Welt gegeben / Anno 1613. im Herbst / da er alle stunden / den Todt für Augen getragen / aber dennoch gnädiglich / vnnd ja so wünderlich als die drey Männer im Babylonischen Fewerofen erhalten worden"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:48, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

... DYK had the right part of the description, see top ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:00, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am puzzled by Valet, Gerda. If it’s a Latin word, it means he or she is strong or well, but I don’t see how it’s intended in the first line of the verse, do you? I guess it’s also the title of the verse, <Valerius Herberger’s “Valet”>? I am just going to bed but will look back tomorrow. Moonraker (talk) 22:08, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I guess that the Latin Valet should remain untranslated, a fair-well greeeting, and so similar to his name. I just saw that you translated the first stanza, and in the article is a small-print Winckworth. - Also too tired to look closer now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:17, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Latin valete is the imperativus pluralis of valere, which means be well / strong. Already in classical times it was used as a greeting farewell. In German, the Latin word was used abbreviated (without the last e), but stressed on the second syllable, and it became a noun: das Valét = the farewell. --Rabanus Flavus (talk) 22:21, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Move

I am not happy with the undiscussed move from Valet will ich dir geben. The lead now reads as if Bach and Reger set "Farewell" which is nonsense. Best solution would be to move back. Otherwise, please clarify. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:54, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above DYK notice as now also wrong, of course. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:55, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am also not happy about the page move, which was done without any discussion and seems quite controversial. The new version of the page seems quite anachronistic, which will be confusing to readers. Mathsci (talk) 13:52, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]