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Battle of Fallujah

Information to the editors here: I'm making up a SVG map for the battle of Fallujah. Could someone help me later including it to the map?--Ermanarich (talk) 17:31, 23 May 2016 (UTC) Ok, the map won't come. It's too small for the map. Furthermore I have problems to get exact positions inside the city...--Ermanarich (talk) 21:09, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Sources for my edit

Sources for this edit [1] are [2] and [3]. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 21:29, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Southeastern Kirkuk Province

Too many Daesh-held villages are coloured yellow in Southeastern Kirkuk Province. Peshmerga never took these villages. Now the problem is how do we change them back to black without sources? I also remember someone changing them to Kurdish-held without sources months ago. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 12:25, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

So I guess we have to find the edit and revert it? I'm not sure if thats how it works. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 12:26, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Are you sure that you mean southeastern Kirkuk province and not southwestern Erbil province? Because there I'd even have some sources, some of the daeshdaily.com articles of the last weeks.--Ermanarich (talk) 16:30, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Too many villages are wrongfully coloured yellow, east of Tuz Khurmatu, in Kirkuk Governorate (villages like Yorghun, Sayyid Hasshun, Safhal, and dozen others). I've tried searching on Google, but nothing indicates Peshmerga having control over these. [4] usually names the villages Peshmerga liberated. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 18:51, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Is this even acceptable? The source doesn't say anything about the villages getting changed? [5] --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 14:39, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Same map but from yesterday, notice eastern Kirkuk Governorate. [6] --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 14:45, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

I undid the changes according to the rules concerning maps. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 17:01, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Hit

http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/100420161 States town is still being fought over and should be changed to contested.

Update: Reports on Twitter are saying IS has retaken Hit. All I see in MSM is a mention of fighting in Hit with no details. I'm not making any edits right now. If someone finds something concrete, go ahead.Tgoll774 (talk) 11:31, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, I really appreciate the help. I was going to include this, but according to this source, Iraqi Forces managed to defeat Daesh in Hit completely: http://www.daeshdaily.com/june-1-2016/ (section Hit/Kubaisa)--Ermanarich (talk) 18:00, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

H3 Airbase, Anbar

Can we remove the H3 Airbase from the template? It has been abandoned since 2003 and therefore poses no strategical or logistical importance to the current war, rendering it effectively irrelevant.

I will do this. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 21:41, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

US Military Map of ISIS

We have a prohibition on maps: 2- Copying from maps is strictly prohibited. Maps from mainstream media are approximate and therefore unreliable for any edit. Maps from amateur sources are below the standards of Wikipedia for any edit. They violate WP:RS and WP:CIRCULAR.

This prohibition was put in place last year because of amateur maps on Twitter and other online venues that are generally not regarded as reliable and accurate sources of information. Now I would like to draw to your attention to this map. This map is produced by the United States Department of Defense, who opposes ISIL. Although the map is admittedly inaccurate in certain frontline areas, it shows a variety of locations held by ISIL which are not marked by our map. Such areas include sites along the Iraq/Syria border, and areas between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. I ask the community: should we be able to use this map, which is anti-ISIL and from an official military source, to make constructive edits on the Syrian and Iraqi maps? I think we should be able to use it for some locations. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 04:08, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Source: DaeshDaily

Hello editors,

Iwan123Iwan (talk) claimed, that Daeshdaily wouldn't be a reliable source and thus can't be used for our maps. I strongly disagree here, since it is a sample of Arab newspapers translated into english, it's neutral and it observes almost any events around the Islamic State. I wouldn't know of any reason that speaks against the use of DaeshDaily. To make it clear wether it can be used or not, we should deiscuss that now. What are your opinions?

Kind regards, Ermanarich (talk) 16:48, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Qabusiyah

Pbfreespace3. Re[7]. I guess "Kabuse" is another spelling for Qabusiyah, but what part of that article says that Qabusiyah is under IS control? Erlbaeko (talk) 15:25, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

"Khalid Hamzo, a commander from the Duhok forces told Rudaw that at around 4:30 a.m. more than 100 militants launched an attack against the Peshmerga in the areas of Domez, Kabuse and Garawez that led to an intense confrontation lasting four hours."

Furthermore, we know that Sinjar city itself was attacked in a large offensive. It makes sense that ISIS controls the villages directly south of the city, especially seeing as pro-Kurdish sources claimed ISIS attacked from 4 directions. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 15:30, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

The article also says the Peshmerga killed 60 Islamic State (ISIS) militants when they repelled the attack. I don’t agree that the article can be used as an RS for claiming that ISIL is in control of Qabusiyah. It may make sense to you, but it is not what Wikipedia means with the statement “all material must be attributable to reliable, published source”.Erlbaeko (talk) 17:39, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Do not be hasty

Hello, I notice atleast one user has used sources from a Twitter post of a journalist of a biased source Kurdistan24 which is usually biased against IS. The Twitter post of the journalist cannot be used as a reliable source. Please keep that in mind.

Also, I see some users hastily rushing to change the module because there are reports coming (from unreliable sources mostly) that Qayyarah has been liberated. However the battle for the town is still ongoing as per a recent report: http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Iraqs-Army-Surrounds-Oil-Refinery-as-It-Prepares-To-Fight-ISIS-In-Mosul.html

http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/iraqi-troops-enter-qayarrah-kill-chechen-isis-leader/

Please do not be hasty while editing, there is no hurry to change it. We should wait for neutral news sites to confirm that the town has been captured. Newsboy39 (talk) 21:30, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

An Italian source confirms Qayyarah has been conquered by Iraqi Army: http://www.rainews.it/dl/rainews/articoli/Iraq-esercito-riprende-il-controllo-della-citta-di-Al-Qayyarah-liberandola-da-occupazione-Isis-76099e21-535a-43bb-b166-c2172ef97fa5.html

In the future, please do not use posts from journalists of biased sources. Newsboy39 (talk) 22:03, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

The Italian source's report turned out to be wrong. Iraqi army is still fighting ISIS in Qayyarah as of 24 August: http://www.nrttv.com/En/Details.aspx?Jimare=9630 Newsboy39 (talk) 09:52, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Please Add Roads to the maps of Irak, syria, etc

Following the news about civil war in Irak and Syria, we hear about important roads and Highwys. But we don't see them on the maps to get better oriented. Please someone add roads and highways also to the maps. Thanks! In Persian: با دنبال کردن خبر ها در باره ی جنگ درونمرزی در عراق و سوریه و .. ما همواره چیزهایی در باره ی راه ها و شاهراه های مهم میخوانیم ولی آنهارا در نقشه پیدا نمیکنیم و نمیتوانیم جا های یاد شده را بهتر بیابیم. پس خواهشمندم که راه ها و شاهراه هارا هم به این نقشه ها بیفزایید. سپاس.

I agree. Major roads should be added. Especially those linking Syria and Iraq. Mozad655 (talk) 16:37, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

How do we add roads?

This has been requested by several people and is a good addition to the map. I have no clue. Feel free to join in. Mozad655 (talk) 01:19, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Maybe I can do this soon, if the creator of the map of the roads in Syria can tell me how. But I can't promise anything.--Ermanarich (talk) 19:24, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Bridge icon

Anyone knows how to add an icon for bridges. The map is using the base icon for now, but it could be misleading. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 16:40, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Khurmatu

Khurmatu is still controlled by Kurds and PMU. [8]. Someone changed it to government-controlled weeks ago. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 18:38, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Does Tal Jarayshi even exist?

I'm not able to find this place anywhere on any maps I know of except Wikimapia which by the way is purely edited by editors and such can't br completely relied upon. The supposed co-ordinates of Tal Jarayshi place it to the west of an intersection of two roads. Not to mention the name Tal Jarayshi means Hill of Jarayshi (a place very close to Tal Jarayshi's supposed location and to the east of this road intersection). But then again, I also haven't come across any reliable and established expert source that says the area is under ISIL control. The only source about this place I did come across about it was some Twitter user who doesn't appear to be an observer at all: Tweet from Luxfero99. However if you carefully notice these pictures, the place in this image is to the east of an intersection between two roads unlike the supposed location of Tal Jarayshi which is to the west of this intersection. This Tal Jarayshi seems to be a mistaken case of separate identity to me and regardless there seems to be no reliable source for it. I therefore believe it should be removed. 117.207.146.181 (talk) 21:26, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Bashiqa

Bashiqa was not liberated and is still under ISIS for now. I will not change this mistake now, but in the next days when it will be really liberated then you will see that I was right when all international reliable sources report about it. Now just one non-reliable source (part of a party) reports about the liberation of Bashiqa while all other sources are silent about it, which is weird because Bashiqa would be the biggest gain so far in the Mosul operation. This source claims that different militias liberated Bashiqa because the source is from this group while this militias are not even present in this area.--Alan Genco (talk) 11:23, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Well, we have many respectable online sources claiming it was liberated.

LCarabinier says it was liberated just minutes ago.

Hassan Hassan said his shop that ISIS first line of defense in the town was broken through.

I think that's pretty good evidence. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 12:00, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Do you even know that Twitter is not accepted here as a reliable source? But like I said we will see the truth in the coming days when Bashiqa will be really liberated.--Alan Genco (talk) 13:14, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Almasdar confirms: https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/iraqi-army-assyrian-forces-liberate-bashiqa-near-mosul/. However, according to the article, Bashiqa is in the *southern* countryside of Mosul. Maybe there are two villages with this name? Schluppo (talk) 16:21, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Colors in Mosul offensive

Its very important that towns captured by kurdish forces during Mosul offensive are marked as yellow. These areas will be highly disputed in the near future. Do not assume that kurdish forces are fighting "for" the Iraqi gov. Mozad655 (talk) 21:56, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Edits by user with 95.153.129.148

Editor has made at least 3 very false and huge edits in the Kirkuk area with no legitimate source to back it up what so ever. User has changed the entire borderline at the Kirkuk area to black. Up to 20-30 villages. Time of edits: 18:55, 21 October 2016‎, 19:08, 21 October 2016‎ and 19:21, 21 October 2016‎. Feel free to undo all his edits. I have already reversed once today. Overall not a single village or town has been captured by ISIS today. There were terrorist attacks. This does not mean the entire town was captured. Mozad655 (talk) 20:51, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Kirkuk surroundings

Are the big gains of ISIS south of Kirkuk backed by reabile sources? If not mods should undo it again.

According to NRT all attacks of ISIS south of Kirkuk and in Dibis were repelled by Kurdish forces: http://www.nrttv.com/EN/Details.aspx?Jimare=10603

According to Rudaw no oilfield was taken by ISIS in Kirkuk and Dibis cleared from ISIS: http://rudaw.net/mobile/english/kurdistan/21102016 --JapanerRusse (talk) 01:25, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Where is Tell Kaif

According to some sources Iraqi Forces entered the town of Tell Kaif, but where is it here in the map? --JapanerRusse (talk) 13:46, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

It's a different spelling of Tell Keppe, north of Mosul. Schluppo (talk) 22:54, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Whats the situation in Bakhdida?

Can sombody tell me what the current situation is in Bakhdida? The town is shown here as contested since some days now. Are there any sources when the battle in Bakhdida started and sources about the current situation to back up its contested status here? --JapanerRusse (talk) 11:56, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

There were (apparently) false/premature reports about Iraqi Army having taken Bakhdida about five days ago. Today, Almasdar claims that Iraqi Army (re?)entered the town: https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/iraqi-army-assyrian-forces-enters-strategic-town-near-mosul/. For now, we should keep it as contested between IS and Iraqi Army. Schluppo (talk) 12:07, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

AlMasdar is a pro-shia source that cannot be used as source for pro-gov gains. Its simply against the rules. They have been caught in pro-gov lies many times, although telling the truth this time. Still they should never be used for pro-gov gains. Use kurdish or mainstream media for that. Rudaw confirms Bakhdida fighting. Mozad655 (talk) 12:37, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

I wouldn't call it pro-Shia or pro-Iraqi. Rather it is pro-Assad and anti-ISIL. 117.199.84.187 (talk) 14:10, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Villages east of Mosul taken by joint forces

Some villages and towns should be red/yellow because they were captured by both Iraqi and Kurdish (Bartilla and Topzawa). [9] --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 21:13, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Ahmedo, both Iraqi and Kurdish forces are taking part in the battle. But Nineveh and its administration officially belongs to the government. But if others users are ok with it, then I'm ok with it as well. If not, then I don't think we should change them. Let's go with the consensus. 117.207.148.35 (talk) 21:19, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Yes. But if Peshmergas are present in the village (check https://twitter.com/KawlF/status/790663251654770688), I think we should take them to red/yellow as Khurmatu. Also, what belongs to the government officially is irrelevant, otherwise we should change everything Kurdish-controlled not in Dohuk, Sulaymaniyah and Erbil provinces as red. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 21:28, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

That's not what I mean. In Dohuk, Kirkuk etc. the Kurdistan controls the local government. But there is no local government in these newly captured villages on the east of Mosul, besides everyone fled in 2014. Also the Kurds haven't stated they are annexing these villages as well. 117.207.148.35 (talk) 21:35, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

It is a confusing situation. But if others are ok with it, I'm ok with it. 117.207.148.35 (talk) 21:38, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Actually, the whole Kirkuk province is officially part of Iraq and not the KRG and places like Shekan or Alqosh behind the frontlines in Nineveh Governorate are also definitely to be marked yellow as they are controlled by the Peshmerga. However, if the marks are too small, we should not use two colours, because it's barely visible then.--Ermanarich (talk) 22:34, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Kirkuk is officially a part, but its been occupied by Peshmerga since 2014 and they claim it. 117.207.148.35 (talk) 23:39, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Conflicting reports about ar-Rutbah

Mozad655 Ahmedo Semsurî Pbfreespace3 There have been conflicting reports about ar-Rutbah. World On Alert (https://mobile.twitter.com/worldonalert/status/790215781317509121) states ISIL captured it, however (https://mobile.twitter.com/zaidbenjamin/status/790226232692600833) Zaid Bejamin contradicts this by sayi the atyack has been repelled. Zaid Bejamin unlike World on Alert (who even insults others in his tweets) is an expert and journalist, so I value Zaid's opinion more. But still no source should be preferred over another for now. Acc to Business Standard's article (https://www.ft.com/content/05cac86e-9940-11e6-b8c6-568a43813464), a local Iraqi official said ISIL only captured half of the city. According to General Yahya Rasool,they didn't capture any building (http://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/iraqi-forces-advance-near-mosul-as-is-attacks-western-town-116102300692_1.html). Some were also reporting much earlier in the day that ISIL had completely captured it. had We should wait for the situation to become clear, for now Rutba should be left as contested. It wouldn't be wise to change its control as it might not be correct, lets see if reports clear up by tomorrow or a few days later if it lasts that long. 117.199.83.117 (talk) 21:06, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Also everyone please do not change control of anything to ISIL control using sources with ISIS or Amaq claims of capturing them. Just because ISIS and/or Amaq claims they captured it, doesn't mean its true as it could br biased. Use them for government capture, but sources containing claims by ISIL/Amaq cannot be used for ISIL capture. 117.199.83.117 (talk) 21:14, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Even Iraqi Security (https://mobile.twitter.com/IraqiSecurity/status/790302279882706944) is now saying the attack is repelled. And World on Alert has even been insultive of those contadicting him. There are two much more reliable sources contradicting him. Definitely we should go with the more reliable sources, but let's wait for some time. If there isn't a very highly reliable source saying it has been captured by ISIL, then we change it back to government control. 117.199.83.117 (talk) 22:16, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

I reverted Rutbah back to contested because al-Masdar (pro-gov source) claimed that by Sunday evening at least 80% is under ISIS. Some say ISIS is in complete controle. Some say gov repelled the whole attack. I think its only fair to keep as contested until clarification, as ISIS did attack the city and that was the last known status. Mozad655 (talk) 22:21, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Agree with what you say. Let's wait for a day atleast or a few days even if necessary. 117.199.83.117 (talk) 22:37, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Aymenn J Al-Tamimi, a reliable source who's even been reported about in the media, says the ISIL assault looks to have been repelled (https://twitter.com/ajaltamimi/status/790251851136569346). The repelling of the assault seems to be more reliable. 117.199.83.117 (talk) 23:22, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

I don't believe he is reliable. Wen't through his stuff and its obvious that he is pro-shia (pro-Baghdad, Iran, Assad, Hezbollah etc). His choice of articles, content and news clearly serves to portray shia-regimes positively and their opponents negatiely. Also residing in territory under regime in Syria so no surprise there. Add the fact that he is an individual on twitter (which is bad enough on its own) and it makes him an unreliable source for pro-shia gains. Definately not neutral. For pro-edits I would look for non-partisan sources or opposition sources as per rules of syrian template map. Sources like Tamimi, al-Masdar, PressTV etc. should only be used for edits that contradict their allegiance. Mozad655 (talk) 01:17, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

What is Shia regimes? We do not use terms like "pro-Shia" gains or "Shia regimes", that is giving a possible sectarian view and bias to our edits. He is against the Syrian rebels, but that doesn't seem to affect his reports much. But I think you are rightRegardless, Al-Masdar News is now stating Iraqi Army is fighting back (https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/iraqi-army-fights-back-ar-rutbah-isis-sends-suicide-bombers-battle/). Guess we should wait for a few more days for the situation to become clear. 45.122.145.58 (talk) 08:27, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Who says we don't use those terms? In this map the word sunni is used under both the black and red marker. Nothing wrong with using the word shia. I don't believe it makes us sectarian to refer to them that way. That's just what they are and you can't deny the sectarian nature of this conflict. Otherwise we would have to say pro-Iraq, Iran, Assad, Hezbollah, Houthis every single time. You will find that pro-shia is much easier to say. If your concerned about credibility there are far more serious issues on this map, such as people using personal twitter accounts and people using pro-shia sources to back pro-shia gains or kurdish sources to back kurdish gains. Tamimi is one of those. He is clearly not neutral and should be avoided unless its for edits that unfavor the side he prefers. Using mainstream non-partisan international media is always better and there's plenty of them. Mozad655 (talk) 11:15, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Even the ISIL is stating they captured only most of Rutbah and were atill fighting the Iraqi Army (https://mobile.twitter.com/Terror_Monitor/status/790361921249619968). Clearly the reports about it fully capturing it aren't correct. 45.122.145.58 (talk) 08:44, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

World on Alert clearly is sympathetic to ISIL if not an outright supporter of its cause. He favored a tweet about a user respecting ISIL's belief and the media being against them. The tweet (https://mobile.twitter.com/iedfan/status/790307768808898560) and the like (https://mobile.twitter.com/iedfan/status/790307768808898560/likes). Not just that, he even insults and bashes others those who support the groups he opposes ir those who give reports contradicting him. Also he is just an individual on Twitter claiming he has his sources, not a reliable expert/journalist or news organization. This combined with the fact that even ISIL hasn't said they have captured Rutbah, clearly indicates that the city is still contested and not captured by ISIL. 45.122.145.58 (talk) 09:00, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Mozad655 Beshogur Pbfreespace3 Found a Alhurra news report (http://www.alhurra.com/a/iraq-rutbah-isis-fight/331202.html) stating that clashes are still ongoing as of today and ISIL is holed up in two neighbourhoods. We keep it shown as contested then, reports of ISIL capture seem to have been incorrect or premature. 45.122.145.58 (talk) 11:30, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Found another ISIL supporter and also anti-Shia (anti-Shia because he does make anti-Shia tweets) and also seems to be against anti-ISIL groups that has been used as a source here. The user is "CoffeeNews" or @ThatCoffeeTho. See these posts [10], [11] as some evidence. Please don't use him as a source in future. 45.122.145.58 (talk) 12:30, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

A local Iraqi source Iraqi News states that the attack was repelled and a curfew has been imposed to eliminate any of the remaining attackers (http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/joint-security-forces-impose-comprehensive-curfew-rutba/). 117.199.84.187 (talk) 14:31, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

AlMasdar claims that the attack was repelled: [12] Schluppo (talk) 16:13, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Rutbah's control even more confusing now

Its become even more confusing. Al Jazeera as well as Al Arabiya (not local organizations) is stating ISIL has captured it (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/10/isil-captures-iraq-town-ratba-mosul-battle-rages-161024191517704.html) (http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2016/10/24/ISIS-attack-on-Kirkuk-over-offensive-blocked-in-Sinjar.html). They also appear to be contradictory. Iraqi forces have released a video saying they are still firmly in control (https://mobile.twitter.com/hxhassan/status/790626388978130944) - both sources Hassan Hassan as well as Althuguur (which is even followed by CENTCOM or US Central Command) are very reliable. 117.207.148.35 (talk) 20:24, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Reliable and recognized international media is always better than personal twitter accounts. The video could be old. It could even be another town. Still we should wait a bit more until further confirmation or possible counter-attack, especially since the page is protected and edits cannot be made swiftly any longer. Mozad655 (talk) 20:38, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

The al-Jazeera article is not a good source, since it's self contradictory. At one point it says (citing a twitter source) that the IS controls the whole city, at another point, it's just some neighborhoods. And al-Arabiya is saying the same thing, that the IS controls Mithaq and Intisar neighborhoods. I'd put the city as contested.--Ermanarich (talk) 20:43, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

I did a read again and you seem to be right. I've amended my comment. 117.207.148.35 (talk) 21:05, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

I think the only way to be sure is local Iraqi sources and news organizations. By that I mean actual local news organizations from Iraq, not news organizations of other Arabic countries operating in it. Local organizations might have better first-hand or second-hand information. We should wait to see what they say. 117.207.148.35 (talk) 21:08, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Rudaw says ISIL only captured parts of it (https://twitter.com/RudawEnglish/status/790655924868358146). 117.207.148.35 (talk) 21:30, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Al-Araby Al-Jadeed (not a local organization) also says ISIS only took parts of it (https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2016/10/24/is-counterattack-on-rutbah-forces-partial-iraqi-withdrawal). 117.207.148.35 (talk) 22:13, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Rudaw's stating that Iraqi Army is battling against ISIL in Rutbah (https://twitter.com/RudawEnglish/status/790832621622296576). Regardless of which previous reports were true, it seems contested again. 59.89.46.74 (talk) 09:37, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

According to Almada Press (a local source), officials have stated that Iraqi forces have regained full control of Rutbah (https://almadapress.com/ar/news/78680/القوات-الامنية-تستعيد-السيطرة-على-ا). 59.89.46.74 (talk) 11:29, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Mozad655 Ermanarich The Al Jazeera correspondent from whose tweet Al Jazeera derived its report has also said that Rutba has been fully recaptured by Iraqi forces (https://twitter.com/ZeinakhodrAljaz/status/790876217620754432). Do you think it should be changed back to government control now? 117.241.119.2 (talk) 15:04, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

AlMasdar claims that the attack was repelled: [13]. Schluppo (talk) 16:18, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Yes even Al-Masdar is saying that Iraqi forces have retaken the town, most importantly even the Al Jazeera correspondent upon whom Al Jazeera's report was based also said the same thing. Since multiple sources are saying the same thing, we should put itback under government control. 45.248.183.70 (talk) 16:45, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Protection level

Sorry, but why was this Module actually protected so that no one can edit anymore?

There wasn't a major edit conflict, just a few small discussions, no big problem, at least in my eyes. At the same point, the map has currently many flaws and also needs to be updated.

Please end the sanctions on this module, it's really not constructive. Or, if not, at least tell my why.

Regards, Ermanarich (talk) 15:09, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

With all respects, the edit conflicts have been happening for long, this isn't the first or second or 20th time. Just before the protection was made, there was significant amount of edit-warring in a single day. I think the protection is required so users discuss and hash out all the differences instead of edit-warring over an issue. The users already know the rules, but still they keep breaking them and don't care. The protection shouldn't be removed. 117.199.84.187 (talk) 15:39, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

But there was no ongoing heavy disputes or edit-warring at the time. The timing seemed very random. Sure there were a couple reverts on that day, but there were no major edits and all disagreements were resolved. I understand the need for protection when edit-warring is frequent, but this was not the case on that day. Mozad655 (talk) 20:23, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Couple of reverts? I can easily count more than 5 reverts in less than 36 hours and even more in a matter of less than 3 days. The Iraqi module can become a scene of edit-warring. It needed protection as editors who know all about the rules have edit-warred and broken the rules not just here, but other places as well. This seems necessary so editors will discuss before making any controversial or disputable edits instead of edit-warring over them. If there is an unconterversial edit where the situation is completely clear, you can make an edit request and have it added. The protection seems constructive and will promote discussion. 117.207.148.35 (talk) 20:55, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Well, the first one was a correct and necessary revert due to a misinterpretation of the tweet, the second one was because the previous edit used a unreliable source and accidentaly changed one more village, and the third revert only brought back the edits with two better sources.

The point is, that we currently face many misinformations in the media (even from sources that are normally considered as "reliable") about the Mosul campaign. This makes it necessary to revert another edit. But this is not an edit war. It is just improving the Module. I can just repeat, that these reverts are a vital part of maintaining the maps quality as long as they don't mutate to an back-and-forth for one village/mark.--Ermanarich (talk) 23:14, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Why not just prevent the users involved in the war to edit, instead of locking the page? --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 12:16, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Edit-warring is not allowed no matter what reasons you have. If there is a dispute, one should discuss instead of making that edit.N Not just that they blatantly break rules, use sources not allowed (even using ISIL claims to change control of a place to IS control, which isn't allowed) and some even plainly refuse to follow the rules. Also it is better to wait instead of making a potentially wrong edit, but mostly no one does. Besides if we blocked all those who edit-warred, most users here will be blocked. And administrators don't pay much attention to it anyway or care about blocking disruptive users. Better to lock it, then let it become a mess. 59.89.46.74 (talk) 13:10, 25 October 2016 (UTC).

If you want to have the protection removed though you should talk to administrators. If they think protection isn't required or isn't constructive, then they'll remove it. 45.248.183.70 (talk) 18:26, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 25 October 2016

Ar Rasif has been captured by the government. Source (http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/231020162). Also Bilawat is under government control as well, Iraqi security foeces are carrying clean-up and search operations. The source I earlier used for changing it to ISIL control was from a user called IraqBreaking (https://twitter.com/IraqBreaking/). However, his account has been suspended, besides I'm doubting it was reliable. Besides news sources are more reliable. Please change both villages to government control (red).

45.248.183.70 (talk) 18:08, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 01:48, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 24 October 2016

Peshmerga are still currently trying to completely capture Bashiqa. The Al Jazeera article (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/10/battle-mosul-peshmerga-seizes-bashiqa-isil-161023103005292.html) used for showing Bashiqa under Peshmerga control jas been deleted by Al Jazeera. The latest article by Al Jazeera says they are still trying to capture it (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/10/battle-mosul-turkey-confirms-military-involvement-161023144053661.html). Please change it to contested control.

117.199.84.187 (talk) 14:07, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

I agree even though I was the original editor. There was misinformation back then. The town is among a list of villages besieged by peshmerga. The final take-over has not happened yet according to kurdish Rudaw. Mozad655 (talk) 20:31, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Already done It looks like Mozad655 has already made the edit, unless I'm reading this wrong. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 03:45, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Mr. Stradivarius Mozad655 hasn't made the edit, he doesn't have the template editor access anyway. He was just saying he agrees with my suggestion. Please edit the article and change it. 59.89.46.74 (talk) 08:20, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

He made an edit before the page was protected - I'm not well acquainted enough with the subject to know whether it was the right one, though. Now the page is unprotected, though, so you should be able to edit it yourself. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 01:49, 26 October 2016 (UTC)