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Battle of Fallujah

Information to the editors here: I'm making up a SVG map for the battle of Fallujah. Could someone help me later including it to the map?--Ermanarich (talk) 17:31, 23 May 2016 (UTC) Ok, the map won't come. It's too small for the map. Furthermore I have problems to get exact positions inside the city...--Ermanarich (talk) 21:09, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Sources for my edit

Sources for this edit [1] are [2] and [3]. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 21:29, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Southeastern Kirkuk Province

Too many Daesh-held villages are coloured yellow in Southeastern Kirkuk Province. Peshmerga never took these villages. Now the problem is how do we change them back to black without sources? I also remember someone changing them to Kurdish-held without sources months ago. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 12:25, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

So I guess we have to find the edit and revert it? I'm not sure if thats how it works. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 12:26, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Are you sure that you mean southeastern Kirkuk province and not southwestern Erbil province? Because there I'd even have some sources, some of the daeshdaily.com articles of the last weeks.--Ermanarich (talk) 16:30, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Too many villages are wrongfully coloured yellow, east of Tuz Khurmatu, in Kirkuk Governorate (villages like Yorghun, Sayyid Hasshun, Safhal, and dozen others). I've tried searching on Google, but nothing indicates Peshmerga having control over these. [4] usually names the villages Peshmerga liberated. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 18:51, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Is this even acceptable? The source doesn't say anything about the villages getting changed? [5] --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 14:39, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Same map but from yesterday, notice eastern Kirkuk Governorate. [6] --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 14:45, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

I undid the changes according to the rules concerning maps. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 17:01, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Hit

http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/100420161 States town is still being fought over and should be changed to contested.

Update: Reports on Twitter are saying IS has retaken Hit. All I see in MSM is a mention of fighting in Hit with no details. I'm not making any edits right now. If someone finds something concrete, go ahead.Tgoll774 (talk) 11:31, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, I really appreciate the help. I was going to include this, but according to this source, Iraqi Forces managed to defeat Daesh in Hit completely: http://www.daeshdaily.com/june-1-2016/ (section Hit/Kubaisa)--Ermanarich (talk) 18:00, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

H3 Airbase, Anbar

Can we remove the H3 Airbase from the template? It has been abandoned since 2003 and therefore poses no strategical or logistical importance to the current war, rendering it effectively irrelevant.

I will do this. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 21:41, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

US Military Map of ISIS

We have a prohibition on maps: 2- Copying from maps is strictly prohibited. Maps from mainstream media are approximate and therefore unreliable for any edit. Maps from amateur sources are below the standards of Wikipedia for any edit. They violate WP:RS and WP:CIRCULAR.

This prohibition was put in place last year because of amateur maps on Twitter and other online venues that are generally not regarded as reliable and accurate sources of information. Now I would like to draw to your attention to this map. This map is produced by the United States Department of Defense, who opposes ISIL. Although the map is admittedly inaccurate in certain frontline areas, it shows a variety of locations held by ISIL which are not marked by our map. Such areas include sites along the Iraq/Syria border, and areas between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. I ask the community: should we be able to use this map, which is anti-ISIL and from an official military source, to make constructive edits on the Syrian and Iraqi maps? I think we should be able to use it for some locations. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 04:08, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Source: DaeshDaily

Hello editors,

Iwan123Iwan (talk) claimed, that Daeshdaily wouldn't be a reliable source and thus can't be used for our maps. I strongly disagree here, since it is a sample of Arab newspapers translated into english, it's neutral and it observes almost any events around the Islamic State. I wouldn't know of any reason that speaks against the use of DaeshDaily. To make it clear wether it can be used or not, we should deiscuss that now. What are your opinions?

Kind regards, Ermanarich (talk) 16:48, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Qabusiyah

Pbfreespace3. Re[7]. I guess "Kabuse" is another spelling for Qabusiyah, but what part of that article says that Qabusiyah is under IS control? Erlbaeko (talk) 15:25, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

"Khalid Hamzo, a commander from the Duhok forces told Rudaw that at around 4:30 a.m. more than 100 militants launched an attack against the Peshmerga in the areas of Domez, Kabuse and Garawez that led to an intense confrontation lasting four hours."

Furthermore, we know that Sinjar city itself was attacked in a large offensive. It makes sense that ISIS controls the villages directly south of the city, especially seeing as pro-Kurdish sources claimed ISIS attacked from 4 directions. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 15:30, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

The article also says the Peshmerga killed 60 Islamic State (ISIS) militants when they repelled the attack. I don’t agree that the article can be used as an RS for claiming that ISIL is in control of Qabusiyah. It may make sense to you, but it is not what Wikipedia means with the statement “all material must be attributable to reliable, published source”.Erlbaeko (talk) 17:39, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Do not be hasty

Hello, I notice atleast one user has used sources from a Twitter post of a journalist of a biased source Kurdistan24 which is usually biased against IS. The Twitter post of the journalist cannot be used as a reliable source. Please keep that in mind.

Also, I see some users hastily rushing to change the module because there are reports coming (from unreliable sources mostly) that Qayyarah has been liberated. However the battle for the town is still ongoing as per a recent report: http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Iraqs-Army-Surrounds-Oil-Refinery-as-It-Prepares-To-Fight-ISIS-In-Mosul.html

http://www.iraqinews.com/iraq-war/iraqi-troops-enter-qayarrah-kill-chechen-isis-leader/

Please do not be hasty while editing, there is no hurry to change it. We should wait for neutral news sites to confirm that the town has been captured. Newsboy39 (talk) 21:30, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

An Italian source confirms Qayyarah has been conquered by Iraqi Army: http://www.rainews.it/dl/rainews/articoli/Iraq-esercito-riprende-il-controllo-della-citta-di-Al-Qayyarah-liberandola-da-occupazione-Isis-76099e21-535a-43bb-b166-c2172ef97fa5.html

In the future, please do not use posts from journalists of biased sources. Newsboy39 (talk) 22:03, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

The Italian source's report turned out to be wrong. Iraqi army is still fighting ISIS in Qayyarah as of 24 August: http://www.nrttv.com/En/Details.aspx?Jimare=9630 Newsboy39 (talk) 09:52, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Please Add Roads to the maps of Irak, syria, etc

Following the news about civil war in Irak and Syria, we hear about important roads and Highwys. But we don't see them on the maps to get better oriented. Please someone add roads and highways also to the maps. Thanks! In Persian: با دنبال کردن خبر ها در باره ی جنگ درونمرزی در عراق و سوریه و .. ما همواره چیزهایی در باره ی راه ها و شاهراه های مهم میخوانیم ولی آنهارا در نقشه پیدا نمیکنیم و نمیتوانیم جا های یاد شده را بهتر بیابیم. پس خواهشمندم که راه ها و شاهراه هارا هم به این نقشه ها بیفزایید. سپاس.

I agree. Major roads should be added. Especially those linking Syria and Iraq. Mozad655 (talk) 16:37, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

How do we add roads?

This has been requested by several people and is a good addition to the map. I have no clue. Feel free to join in. Mozad655 (talk) 01:19, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Maybe I can do this soon, if the creator of the map of the roads in Syria can tell me how. But I can't promise anything.--Ermanarich (talk) 19:24, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Bridge icon

Anyone knows how to add an icon for bridges. The map is using the base icon for now, but it could be misleading. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 16:40, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Khurmatu

Khurmatu is still controlled by Kurds and PMU. [8]. Someone changed it to government-controlled weeks ago. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 18:38, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Does Tal Jarayshi even exist?

I'm not able to find this place anywhere on any maps I know of except Wikimapia which by the way is purely edited by editors and such can't br completely relied upon. The supposed co-ordinates of Tal Jarayshi place it to the west of an intersection of two roads. Not to mention the name Tal Jarayshi means Hill of Jarayshi (a place very close to Tal Jarayshi's supposed location and to the east of this road intersection). But then again, I also haven't come across any reliable and established expert source that says the area is under ISIL control. The only source about this place I did come across about it was some Twitter user who doesn't appear to be an observer at all: Tweet from Luxfero99. However if you carefully notice these pictures, the place in this image is to the east of an intersection between two roads unlike the supposed location of Tal Jarayshi which is to the west of this intersection. This Tal Jarayshi seems to be a mistaken case of separate identity to me and regardless there seems to be no reliable source for it. I therefore believe it should be removed. 117.207.146.181 (talk) 21:26, 8 October 2016 (UTC)