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Polite architecture

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Non-notable subject that seems to mostly made up of unsourced
original research. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:23, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There are numerous publications which refer to polite architecture. The article is not largely constituted by unsourced material/ Pease see the Brunskill extract. If you give me more time I wil source statments to spport the paragraph whch details the historical developlment of polite architecture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by His1ojd (talk • contribs) 01:27, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion will last several days. And if you need more time than that you can always work on the article in your userspace. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:56, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Is it too late to include British architecture in this nomination (are oxymorons allowed)? No, only kidding. Maybe I'm off on this one. It could turn out to be a very impolite AfD. Are gargoyles considered polite or impolite? What about a leaky roof? "Between the extremes of the wholly vernacular and the completely polite, examples occur which have some vernacular and some polite content" Completely polite? LMAO. Is this for real or are you guys spoofing me? ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:57, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There's also this gem: "Historically, the growth of polite architecture tends to coincide with growths in wealth, the movement of people, the profession of architecture, the invention and use of man-made building materials, and the availability of transport networks capable of delivering materials produced outside of a building's immediate locality." So before there were professional architects everything was impolite? ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:01, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

'Vernacular' rather than 'impolite' is the term ordinarily used to define buildings which are created for functional purposes, based on local building practices and materials, and pay little to no regard to national or international architectural styles and fashions. However, as the polite architecture page stipulates the difference between the polite and vernacular is often a matter of degree, with many examples of building illustrating elements of both traits. Before the advent of the social and economic factors, which Childofmidnight highlights, buildings were likely to be vernacular (please refer to vernacular architecture page), because the necessary social and economic structures were not in place to enable the realisation of particular architectural styles. Hence there are relatively few buildings today which could be regarded as 'polite' in larges areas of rural sub-Saharan Africa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.85.171.15 (talk) 08:07, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep No reason not to have a page on this subject - it exists. However, the page does need a lot of work to meet Wikipedia standards, and is a little confusing. Polite architecture is a mostly 19th century product. The buildings are unique in design, often public or municipal buildings. The reason they are unique is because their architectural concepts and traditions are national or global, but they are built of local stone and materials - an exagerated and fictitious example would be a church in the style of St Paul's Cathedral, with no resemblence to the local provincial architecture, built in Norwich from local flintstone rather than the more sophisticated pale dressed stone that one would expect. Giano (talk) 07:58, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. The differences between vernacular architecture and polite architecture are important topics in the conservation of historic buildings, especially in the UK. See: [1] [2] [3] among others. This is a clearly important topic in architectural history. Merging the page to the style that was basically its opposite is a clearly nonsensical solution to any perceived problems with this article. It should be allowed time to grow and develop by itself. JulesH (talk) 08:30, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The sourcing does need some development, particularly with regards to the paragraph addressing polite architecture's historical development. Reference to the use of polite definitions of architecture for building conservation purposes would also be beneficial. If someone could help, it would be greatly appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by His1ojd (talk • contribs) 10:58, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - His1ojd has added at least one good reference since the nomination. I agree the article needs a lot of work. Racepacket (talk) 12:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment For the record, I have looked at the google books sources. It's mostly trivial mentions in passing and often the authors had the good sense to put the term in quotes. This appears to be some sort of British contrivance, and as the article makes clear, it's an artifice of mostly imagined and thoroughly confused significance. But I suppose making up terms that signify little or nothing is what the British academics are best at. When we Yanks make a show about nothing at least we own up to it. High architecture I take it means the same thing, but is also a problematic term with little to no real utility. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:10, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. As something of an architectural dilettante, this article certainly has potential, and I've done some work on it to try to bring its style up to more encyclopedic standards. I think there is really some potential for a good article here. H2O Shipper 17:15, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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