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Hammel, Green and Abrahamson

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Lots of mentions and the usual industry listings. But I couldn't find any in-depth references from independent, reliable sources. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:07, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The references in the existing articles are not reliable (please read WP:RS). Additionally, my WP:BEFORE search did not yield significant results, and I don’t believe the subject meets WP:NCORP criteria. Baqi:) (talk) 06:24, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I prodded this page in January, with the rationale "Nothing here to suggest that this firm might meet the requirements of WP:NCORP. The text is sourced almost entirely to its own publicity materials". It was deleted and then restored, but nothing in the page has changed. It gets a good number of passing mentions on JSTOR and on Scholar, but I don't see anything resembling in-depth coverage. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 08:24, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Justlettersandnumbers, @Onel5969, @Wcquidditch, and @Spiderone -- I am trying to suggest some edits on the talk page that remove promotional, first party sources and present secondary sources. I hope that you can review and provide some commentary on these as I continue to present additional sources and ideas. Thank you! Ethan Olkovikas of HGA's Digital Team (talk) 15:23, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ethan Olkovikas of HGA's Digital Team, most of the edits you've requested seem to be passing mentions or trivia. What fully-independent reliable sources with significant coverage addressing the subject of the article directly and in depth have you identified? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:57, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Justlettersandnumbers -- I have added a few more suggestions since this note, and will continue to do so. You said that /most/ of the edits are passing mentions, or trivial. Would you be able to identify which of those suggested to-date are least passing/trivial/most up-to-snuff? This would help my continued research and collection. Thank you very kindly! Ethan Olkovikas of HGA's Digital Team (talk) 14:12, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, Ethan Olkovikas of HGA's Digital Team, I just glanced at them – that's why I said "seem to be". You can read the requirements for reliable sources and significant coverage for notability of companies by following the blue links in my previous message. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 15:31, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thank you @Justlettersandnumbers. I have been familiarizing myself with those resources as of late. I have also been working to suggest edits to remove all first party sources/promotional content. Ethan Olkovikas of HGA's Digital Team (talk) 15:37, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:39, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Joina City

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No real sources, no non-routine coverage coming up on Google. Originally created by an account that is now blocked for undisclosed paid editing. -- LWG ^talk 18:22, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Unable to find significant coverage, fails WP:NBUILDING. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 22:20, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Lacks significant coverage in reliable sources. The current article depends upon a single source, which is a step up from original research. The bit about undisclosed paid editing gives off pay to play vibes. Bearian (talk) 06:54, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete lacks SIGCOV in my searches so far, this kind of came close, but the video content featuring it has already been removed.Lorraine Crane (talk) 16:30, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The page does not appear to meet WP:NRHP and WP:GNG as it is a commercial property lacking sustained coverage in independent, reliable sources.--FreaksIn 17:24, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom fails WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 07:38, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per other above; fails WP:NBUILDING. MayhemStoppingBy (talk) 14:25, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Chapra Christ Church

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Lots of broken links on the page, I can't find much to replace them and can't WP:V the details JMWt (talk) 10:07, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, Kindly see the references prior to tag of deletion. Further this is a premium heritage institution of the district almost 185 years old and has separate commonsCategory which also made the article notable Pinakpani (talk) 10:16, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 2: three sentences about churches in Chapra, none of which are obviously this one (the origin date of the Roman Catholic church mentioned is different to that one the page)

Ref 3: my browser says not to open as the link is dangerous

Ref 4: is not obviously about this church and doesn't verify the contents of this page

Ref 5: a parliamentary mention about the Church Mission Society which is a British church society and not obviously anything to do with German Protestants or Roman Catholics

Ref 6: doesn't work for me

Ref 7: about the King Edward School and Chapra Protestant church. Not a Roman Catholic church

Ref 8: doesn't work for me

Conclusion none of these refs WP:V the content on the page. It's not clear whether any of them are about the subject or not JMWt (talk) 10:47, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Social media sites are what I can pull up... Nothing in Gnews, other than stories about conversions/mission work. I don't see this meets notability. Oaktree b (talk) 14:14, 4 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per WP:TNT - since at least some of the citations don't match the subject, either the creator made serious mistakes, or the sources were generated by AI. Bearian (talk) 20:46, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:HEY. I have copy edited for translation problems, rescued deadlink citations, removed unsourced content or content that didn't seem to fit, and added info to expand the article. With regards to the AfD nomination, an article's content must be verifiable, but do not need to be online. Thus, we don't assume the content is wrong just because its source is not online. Also, MOS says to leave deadlink citations in place, so that is normal and not a problem. Thus, I don't believe the reasons behind the AfD are justifiable. Rublamb (talk) 03:41, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep after the re-write the article is much clearer and now includes the related school and details of the christmas fair with references, some offline which is permitted. So exercising WP:AGF for offline sources, deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:41, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The article is about a historical church (almost 200 yers old). So, it has historical importance and has encyclopedic value. Also, the references used are quite authentic. I find no reason for the deletion of the article. Rangan Datta Wiki (talk) 14:21, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above historical church.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 14:37, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Scholarly works (Anthropological Survey of India 2002; Bhattacharya 1981) together with a full-length 2016 Anandabazar Patrika feature and other independent historical sources provide reliable coverage, and hence the subject meets WP:GNG and WP:NBUILD. Aeon Sentinel (talk) 13:58, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I am not sure that some of these new sources provide WP:SIGCOV:

I can only see the Google Books preview, but Bhattacharya 1981 seems only to have a trivial mention and doesn't contain the word "Meherpur", which concerns me as it apparently supports In the 19th century, Chapra, Nadia was the center of missionary works for the Meherpur subdivision of the undivided Bengal (now West Bengal, India.
The "Christian fair" article makes up a plurality of the citations, but is only vaguely about the church -- it's really about the fair. I'm only working from a translation, but I also can't see that it supports, as claimed, The four-day fair blends traditional Christian and Indian traditions and has some 20,000 participants each year (though it does mention that the fair includes a specific Indian practice, singing kirtan). Even then, it seems to be local news, which isn't normally evidence of notability.
The High School history page isn't independent, as the school was founded by the church: in any case, it's WP:PRIMARY and WP:ABOUTSELF. Even then, the mention of the church is trivial.

The Sessional Papers source has a single trivial mention -- and is a document from the British parliament from 1904, which may fall under WP:PRIMARY.

I can't access the Diocese of Barrackpore source, but it seems likely to be a trivial/administrative mention rather than a detailed discussion.

That leaves only the Nadia District Gazetteer that I can fully vouch provides WP:SIGCOV (though even then it's not massive) within a source suitable for WP:GNG. If we only one good source provides significant coverage, the article should not be kept, but rather merged into an article about the town. I don't want to vote delete at this stage, as most of this is absence of evidence rather than secure evidence of a problem, but would be reassured if someone with access to the sources could overturn my impressions of their coverage. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 07:39, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I vote to keep this article because it provides valuable information about Chapra Christ Church, demonstrating its notability and relevance. With further research and reliable sources, the article can be improved to offer a more comprehensive overview of the church's history and significance. 2RDD (talk) 10:55, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per HEY. Sometimes all we need is to cut out the AI drivel and hallucinated sources, and touch up the page, and we have a start article. I'm impressed with the rescue, since I had no hope. Of course it needs more work for a rainy day. Bearian (talk) 15:00, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I share UndercoverClassicist's concerns about the current sources. I have not been able to find a source which clearly gets this over a WP:GNG line. However a couple scholarly searches and book searches come up with at least mentions of the church including a 1904 sessional mention in British parliament. These might be mentions, but I'm confident someone with access could find something that would get this over the line. SportingFlyer T·C 20:40, 19 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Left guide (talk) 05:56, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Church of the Ascension of Christ in Warsaw

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No evidence of notability, either in this article or the original in Polish. JohnMizuki (talk) 19:23, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm having trouble searching in Polish, but it's an architecturally distinctive modern church - I'd be surprised if there's nothing on it beyond what's in the Polish article. SportingFlyer T·C 21:04, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the design is impressive. Iuliusnanus (talk) 13:52, 7 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep While I may personally disagree with the aesthetic and sytlistic observations above, it is a notable building from Polish architect pl:Marek Budzyński. See for example: Florian Urban "Postmodern architecture under socialism: the Ascension Church in Warsaw-Ursynów" The Journal of Architecture 25(3), 2020, pp 317-346 doi:10.1080/13602365.2020.1758747 and across multiple pages in Lidia Klein's "Political Postmodernisms: Architecture in Chile and Poland, 1970–1990" (Routledge 2023, ISBN 9781000860214). Satisfies WP:NBUILD. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 02:12, 12 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep follows wp:NBUILD & is notable. OPHYRIUS ^⚔ 04:35, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Goldsztajn. Patre23 (talk) 07:07, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per the reliable sources coverage identified by Goldsztajn in this discussion such as the Journal of Architecture and a reliable architecture book so that it passes WP:NBUILD in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:57, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: On checking the sources, (Urban 2020 and Klein 2023), I believe they establish significant coverage and notability per WP:NBUILD. Chronos.Zx (talk) 14:41, 14 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Stadium seating

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No sources, doesn't explain why this is called stadium seating - most venues have seating on a slope or steps. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:48, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Stadium#Spectator areas and seating. That section alone does a sufficient job at covering this topic. Grapesoda22 (talk) 02:36, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - I believe they are trying to describe a piece of theatre terminology, admittedly quite poorly, so I don't think that merge is appropriate. Ike Lek (talk) 06:01, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Theater (structure)#Seating and audience. Currently this fails WP:DICDEF, but this is mainly a theatrical term, not a stadium-related term. For seats in stadiums, these are mostly referred to as "bleachers" in the US. – Epicgenius (talk) 17:44, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete, okay with merging and/or redirecting if appropriate. It's a topic that could quite reasonably be encyclopedic. The fact that certain desired information (reason for the name) is missing is not a reason to delete. Its being an unreferenced stub not significantly expanded since 2005 suggests we're not likely to build on what's there. -- Avocado (talk) 21:17, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and hope that someone adds to Theater (structure)#Seating and audience information about seating sightline and sound requirements (if it fits there). I've searched in books on stadium and on theater design, and this term, Stadium seating, is not used for the concept intended here. Theater design literature has detailed calculations for determining "sightlines" which includes determining the degree of incline for the floor. I didn't find a handy term for the concept, but I just have to believe that there is one. It may require a stand-alone article or it may fit entirely into Theater (structure). Lamona (talk) 03:40, 3 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Agree with nom and Lamona above - content can be merged as noted by Lamona if it fits. Asteramellus (talk) 20:58, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into the theatre and stadium sections listed above.Metallurgist (talk) 20:42, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Stadium#Spectator areas and seating as the more expectable location to end up when typing the word "stadium" as one half of the search term. Inclusion and wikilinking on theater (structure) is optional, and if stadium seating is discussed as a theater term there, that could also work. In either case, "stadium seating" is a likely search term and we do have related content that we can direct readers towards. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 22:21, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. I see a rough consensus here that while the tone may be promotional, sources indicate notability. Editors are encouraged to reword or remove any promotional content. Owen× ☎ 12:10, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wael Al-Masri

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promotional article. فيصل (talk) 04:03, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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- Weak Delete Given that an administrator of Arabic Wikipedia believes that notability outside of promotional material has not been established, I am inclined to agree. I cannot validate sourcing in English to any degree that shows notability, and it would require a lot of cleanup to get this page in working order. Nonetheless, I think it could Return to Draftspace. PickleG13 (talk) 04:20, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: this guy is notable. The article itself definitely needs some work, but the subject himself meets WP:GNG based on the sourcing in the article and elsewhere. [1] [2] [3]. Cremastra (talk) 22:33, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Cremastra: Citation 2 and 3 are both to middleeastarchitect.com, and therefore not independent of each other. Is there a third independent source to establish notability? —Femke 🐦 (talk) 07:40, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Femke: It was my understanding that WP:GNG requires multiple, reliable, secondary sources which are independent of the subject. Since the magazine seems to be independent of the subject, I don't see a problem with citing two different articles in it. If you're making reference to WP:NBASIC, which requires sources to be intellectually independent of each other, I don't see a problem there either, since the two articles are not derivatives of each other and are about different subjects. This footnote on NBASIC makes it clear what "intellectually independent of each other" means, and I don't see a problem here with that. Cheers, Cremastra (talk) 15:26, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm.. In WP:SIRS (WP:MULTSOURCES) that is explained differently, possibly because the notability criteria are stricter for organisations. I may have applied this too broadly in the past? —Femke 🐦 (talk) 20:06, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Whatever happens, it's currently written like a CV, and needs considerable cleanup. The sources don't look bad, though. SportingFlyer T·C 19:22, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - No reason to delete what can be reasonably improved. There is a reasonable presumption that sources that establish his notability exist. - Ike Lek (talk) 04:11, 5 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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