Talk:The Horus Heresy

Book listing in References section

Currently the Reference section is listing a mulitpl versions of the same work, but the article doesn't appear vto reference them. Instead this looks a lot like a book listing. They are also causing a lot of error messages. Can anyone explain why all these are here? The text in the reference section may say "References may include multiple versions of cited works, published in alternate formats or media:", but I'm not seeing where each different and me is being used. - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 19:42, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

There also appears to be some very creative use of cites that isn't working out quite right. - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 19:49, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

@ActivelyDisinterested: I at least was able to clear the errors today. I agree, it does seem quite a few are not cited in the text, and do we really need to cite every single version of a given work? I would think just the original will do, especially since the table mentions audiobook/ebook versions. = paul2520 💬 17:27, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Well done for managing to pull any of that tangle apart. I very much doubt we need to cite every single version, it's not something I've seen else where. However it's apparent that there are a few very active editors on the article, so additional comments would be welcome. - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 17:43, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Even after some corrections there are still a lot of problems with the referencing. I have separated the series citations into a new section § Series bibliography, followed by § Other citations. This should make it easier to check that all the "real" references are indeed linked, currently quite a lot are not.

I have left Series bibliography under References, as it is then easier to see which are linked and which not. I am using User:Trappist the monk/HarvErrors.js to see the unlinked items, and have added the following css definitions to my custom.css page to enable various error and warning messages:

.citation-comment { display: inline !important; } /* show all Citation Style 1 error messages */

.mw-parser-output span.cs1-hidden-error { display: inline !important; } /* display Citation Style 1 hidden errors */

.error { display: inline !important; color: red; font-weight: bold; }

-- Mirokado (talk) 23:22, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

This update removed the last (so far) of the CS1 maint messages embedded in the article content. The changed Preamble citation was particularly hard to understand. I have moved the explicit list of volumes to a comment: anyone with access to all the volumes could restore it if they wish after checking. I wanted to use {{harvc}} but it insists on a value for |last= and does not accept |display-authors=0, so I had to use {{wikicite}} instead. Subsequent edits will address the following issues in particular:

• presentation of the § Series bibliography section: I think the nested list pattern already used for some citatons will be clearer than several citations in one list item delimited by ";;"
• simplify date disambiguation: "2010-n" as a disambiguator is not supported by most of the Harvard templates and has led to unmaintainable complexity. I think it will be better to stick to the "2010a" pattern which is more familiar and supported by the templates.
• all citations in § Other citations should support article content and be linked accordingly. Other editors familiar with the series please help with this, I will not be able to resolve all the links. For any which are not yet linked, the possibilities are:
  • find the content they support and add the ref callout (for example Royle, Jo; Cooper, Lousis; Stockdale, Rosemary (December 1999))
  • add new relevant content when that would improve the article
  • move the citation to § Further reading if it seems helpful anyway
  • delete the citation

-- Mirokado (talk) 22:54, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

All the "CS1 maint" messages are now corrected. Remaining reported problems are for unlinked citations. Any further such corrections will involve:

• identifying existing content or adding new content which can link to and be supported by the problematical citations
• moving unreferenced citations to § Further reading or removing them.

In addition, the bibliography was only maintained up to book 25. It is probably necessary to provide at least one citation with ISBN for each book in the series. Contributions welcome. Any decision about providing multiple citations for all formats would necessarily require someone prepared to do the work. If we decide not to extend the full citations, those still with |ref=none could be removed.

The above is best done by editors familiar with (or at least deciding to become familiar with) the subject, so whatever else I do here I explicitly encourage contributions or input from other editors (this is of course expected anyway).

I may continue to edit the article for a while, hoping to improve accessibility in general, reader-friendly structure of the display and editor-friendly structure of the source. -- Mirokado (talk) 22:43, 27 February 2025 (UTC)