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= November 21 =

== Need some help with pywikibot ==

I'm trying to set up a pywikibot script that fixes problematic date formats; specifically, it will turn 2024-11 into Nov 2024, and so on. I got some python code working in IDLE, and managed to transfer it to pywikibot. When I try to get it to run on test.wikipedia, however, it says {{code|Page [[Test]] saved}} but doesn't actually seem to be saving it. 

{{collapse top|title=Here's my code:}}

<syntaxhighlight lang=python>
import pywikibot
import re


def replace(s):
    str(s)
    datelist = re.findall("\\d\\d\\d\\d-\\d\\d", s)
    print(datelist)
    date = datelist[0]
    month = date[5:]
    year = date[:4]
    monthn = 'Something is wrong.'
    if month == '01':
        monthn = 'Jan '

    if month == '02':
        monthn = 'Feb '

    if month == '03':
        monthn = 'Mar '

    if month == '04':
        monthn = 'Apr '

    if month == '05':
        monthn = 'May '

    if month == '06':
        monthn = 'Jun '

    if month == '07':
        monthn = 'Jul '

    if month == '08':
        monthn = 'Aug '

    if month == '09':
        monthn = 'Sep '

    if month == '10':
        monthn = 'Oct '

    if month == '11':
        monthn = 'Nov '

    if month == '12':
        monthn = 'Dec '


    dateresult = monthn + year
    str(dateresult)
    print(dateresult)
    st = s.find(date)
    print(st)
    en = st + 7
    startstuff = s[:st]
    endstuff = s[en:]
    finalresult = startstuff + dateresult + endstuff
    print(finalresult)

mylang = 'test'
family = 'wikipedia'
site = pywikibot.Site()
page = pywikibot.Page(site, "Test")
text = page.text
replace(text)
page.save("Test date fix")
</syntaxhighlight>
{{collapse bottom}}

You should be able to view and run the code [https://hub-paws.wmcloud.org/user/Cremastra/lab/tree/pywikibot%20date%20replacement.ipynb here]. 

Thanks for any assistance you can offer,
[[User talk:Cremastra|''Cremastra'']] ‹ [[User:Cremastra|u]] — [[Special:Contribs/Cremastra|c]] › 00:52, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:That seems rather specialized for a general help desk. See [[:mw:Manual:Pywikibot#Get help]] for other options. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 01:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::OK, thanks, I'll see if anyone is on IRC. [[User talk:Cremastra|''Cremastra'']] ‹ [[User:Cremastra|u]] — [[Special:Contribs/Cremastra|c]] › 01:59, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:::[[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)]] or [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing]] may be helpful if there isn't and you still need something. [[User:Tolozen|Tolozen]] ([[User talk:Tolozen|talk]]) 07:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:You need to update <code>page.text</code>. As it is, you're printing the new revision to the terminal, but you're not actually sending it to the server. [[User:Jlwoodwa|jlwoodwa]] ([[User talk:Jlwoodwa|talk]]) 03:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Jlwoodwa|Jlwoodwa]] d'oh. :) [[User talk:Cremastra|''Cremastra'']] ‹ [[User:Cremastra|u]] — [[Special:Contribs/Cremastra|c]] › 22:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

== Wikipedia Commons Copyright explanation help ==

Hello everyone, 
I am looking to upload images that are not mine and need help with copyright. Terms of conditions from the owner say: "Copyright © 2008-2024 Ministry of Defence of the Republic of Croatia. All rights reserved. Content from this site may be transmitted without special permission provided the source is acknowledged." Now im interested if I am free to upload and if I am, under which license?

Thanks to whoever helps. [[User:Persian Meowth|Persian Meowth]] ([[User talk:Persian Meowth|talk]]) 07:34, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

:The best place to ask this is the [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Help_desk Commons Help Desk]. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 08:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::The short and sweet answer, {{u|Persian Meowth}}, is that no image that is labeled {{tpq|Copyright © (any recent date)}} or {{tpq|All rights reserved}} will be accepted on Wikimedia Commons, because they simply do not host copyright protected content. As for uploading the image to the English Wikipedia instead, the image would need to fully comply with the very stringent standards described at [[WP:NFCI|Non free content -images]]. For legal compliance reasons, these standards are taken very seriously. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 09:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Thats very unfortunate for me lol. But to complicate things a bit I received this from the autor: author (Government ministry of the Armed Forces) stated "Content from this site may be transmitted without special permission provided the source is acknowledged". Furthermore, he stated that "said statement should be the basis of free use for whatever purpose, commercial or otherwise as it implies that the content is uploaded for everyone to use as long as it meets the criteria of naming the source".
:::Now honestly, I have no idea why they didn't upload an image under Creative Commons in the first place if they are waiving all rights (except for naming the autor) in this clause, but i didn't bother to ask that question unfortunately [[User:Persian Meowth|Persian Meowth]] ([[User talk:Persian Meowth|talk]]) 09:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
::::{{u|Persian Meowth}}, when a photo is labeled {{tpq|Copyright © 2008-2024 Ministry of Defence of the Republic of Croatia. '''All rights reserved'''}}, that is powerful legal language that absolutely prevents the image from being uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. Any casual language that follows is of no significance. The people who run that website can remove that formal legal copyright language and substitute an acceptable Creative Commons license instead. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 18:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Now Im having a hard time understanding,since I have seen images that are copyrighted but wikipedia has approved them with subsequent permission from the copyright holder. [[User:Persian Meowth|Persian Meowth]] ([[User talk:Persian Meowth|talk]]) 13:30, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

== "Inscriptions and Herostones" articles ==

I've noticed a pattern of articles with titles ending in "Inscriptions and Herostones" or "Inscriptions & Herostones". I've copyedited and fixed bare URLs on a couple, but now that I've discovered just how many there are I'm not sure how to proceed. They all follow a similar format and I believe were created by the same user. They need copyediting, often rely on one source, and many have the same GitHub link in them which may be due to some kind of [[WP:COI]]. How should I proceed? The articles should at least all follow the same naming convention, not having "and" and "&" interspersed at random, and they usually have the region they're in in parentheses halfway through the article title. I didn't know where to ask because there's not one single talk page for such a group. Here's an example: [[Gulakamale (Bengaluru) Inscriptions and Herostones]]. Thanks. [[User:Tolozen|Tolozen]] ([[User talk:Tolozen|talk]]) 07:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

:[[User:Tolozen|Tolozen]], if you are concerned about COI you could ask the main editor and go to [[Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard]] if you don't get a satisfactory answer. If you want to encourage other editors to improve the articles, you could start a discussion on a single page, possibly [[Talk:Kannada inscriptions]], and post links at [[Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics]] and [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Archaeology]]. Other editors may or may not be interested in the work. Most of the articles are at "Inscriptions and Herostones", I think this should be "inscriptions and hero stones" in sentence case, per [[Hero stone]]. [[User:TSventon|TSventon]] ([[User talk:TSventon|talk]]) 09:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::I agree when it comes to the renames, and thanks for the suggestions when it comes to where to rally others to improve the articles. I think they would benefit from being improved by people involved in those areas, especially because a lot of the improvements would be in the Kannada language translation tables that are present in the articles. Thanks. [[User:Tolozen|Tolozen]] ([[User talk:Tolozen|talk]]) 04:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

== Source hosted on a fanpage ==

I've been editing the article on [[Selected Ambient Works Volume II]] in preparation for a GA assessment. I wanted to add information about the recording history, and found a [https://lannerchronicle.wordpress.com/2023/08/18/aphex-twin-movement-zine-1994/ fairly useful interview about the album]. While the source is hosted on a dedicated fanpage to the artist, the source itself is an independent magazine, with a scan uploaded to this site. I couldn't find any other links to the desired source apart from this archive. Would this be okay to cite? Or is this totally unacceptable? [[User:beachweak|<span style="color: #E50160; font-family: Courier; font-weight: bold;">Beachweak</span>]] [[User_talk:beachweak|<span style="color: #E50160; font-family: Courier;">(talk)</span>]] 11:19, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

:If the magazine is a [[WP:RS|reliable source]], you should just cite the magazine and not worry about where you found it. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 11:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:For GA, the source is probably adequate. It will depend on whether the reviewer will accept {{cite interview |work=Movement zine|date=1994| issue=1|interviewer=((freelance attitude boy Jeremy))|subject=Richard James|subject-link=Richard D. James (musician)|pages=11–12|via=Lanner Chronicle blog|title=Selected Ambient Words Vol. 1| url=https://lannerchronicle.wordpress.com/2023/08/18/aphex-twin-movement-zine-1994/}}{{pb}}Oh my gosh the typesetting!{{pb}}It's clearly not what would pass muster for a highest quality reliable source (reputation for fact-checking etc) and shouldn't be used to support contentious or extraordinary claims, but we have little reason to believe the contents are fraudulent. [[User:Folly Mox|Folly Mox]] ([[User talk:Folly Mox|talk]]) 11:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:In an era of deep fakes, hoax sites and Photoshop, I believe that no supposed scan of an alleged article should ever be used for sourcing. If it's not verifiable, don't use it; if it's been verified, then reference the actual original publication, not somebody's purported scan of a publication. --[[User:Orangemike|<span style="color:#F80">Orange Mike</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:Orangemike|<span style="color:#FA0">Talk</span>]] 13:33, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::I know it's absolutely not ideal and I intend to do a better search on sites like archive.org once I get onto a network that doesn't block access; was also just interested to know in the case of there being no other free source available [[User:beachweak|<span style="color: #E50160; font-family: Courier; font-weight: bold;">Beachweak</span>]] [[User_talk:beachweak|<span style="color: #E50160; font-family: Courier;">(talk)</span>]] 13:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::Sources don't need to be free, [[WP:OFFLINE|or even have a url]]. {{Noping|Orangemike}}'s perspective is certainly valid. I would not personally suspect as a deepfake or a Photoshop anything with as many spelling, punctuation, and typographic errors as freelance attitude boy Jeremy's interview. And I can't tell if the top right of the second page is cut off from the scanning, or by the unfathomable design decision to format the text into a trapezoid, '''then''' justify the paragraphs by some method that included whitespace between punctuation (which also created lines consisting entirely of punctuation).{{pb}}If this is a deepfake, it's certainly consistent with the vibe of the launch issue of a free mid-90s zine with no lasting presence on the internet, overenthusiastically formatted by a teenager using a word processing program for the first time.{{pb}}Although, now that I type that up, it's also entirely possible that the whole interview was fabricated for cred. [[User:Folly Mox|Folly Mox]] ([[User talk:Folly Mox|talk]]) 14:05, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

== Tsui Ming-sum ==

I came across the [[Tsui Ming-sum]] article while participating in the [[WP:NOV24]] unreferenced articles drive. @[[User:JTtheOG|JTtheOG]] flagged it as a possible [[WP:COPYVIO]], but I think that it is more the case that it's an undeclared [[WP:COI]] and/or unintentional sockpuppetry, with editors acting on the subject's behalf, and using the subject's resume/CV as source material. Which of course, the subject uses on his institution web page, hence the [https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&oldid=1258751572&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sfu.edu.hk%2Fen%2Fschools-and-offices%2Fschools-and-departments%2Ffelizberta-lo-padilla-tong-school-of-social-sciences%2Facademic-staff%2Fprof-tsui-ming-sum%2Findex.html c. 80% similarity]

I note that the creating editor [[User:Tsui lincoln]] has only [[Special:Contributions/Tsui_lincoln|contributed]] to this article. Also, other substantial contributors:

* [[User:Jliang7781]] [[Special:Contributions/Jliang7781|contribs]]
* [[User:Liang Jianqiang]] [[Special:Contributions/Liang_Jianqiang|contribs]]
* [[Special:Contributions/14.202.58.61|14.202.58.61 contribs]]

''may'' be sockpuppets for a single person - the edit summaries, to me, suggest that they are, and admit that they are editing on behalf of the subject.

In any case, I am not quite sure what best to do - I've drawn out some of the subject's more notable publications from the text body into a Selected Publications section, with some citations, which should get it off the [[WP:NOV24]] backlog - that is my principal motivation! - but I am not especially interested in completely revamping the article, at least in the short term. None of the other alternatives (removing the copied content, submitting it for deletion) seemed especially attractive - because my sense is that the subject is probably sufficiently notable under [[WP:ACADEMIC]] - and I didn't want, in the first instance, to fling around COI / sockpuppetry accusations on the article's Talk page, as I think they were certainly not malicious in intent, and the edits happened six years ago. I would be grateful for some advice as to the best course of action. Thanks in advance! [[User:SunloungerFrog|SunloungerFrog]] ([[User talk:SunloungerFrog|talk]]) 13:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

:[[User:SunloungerFrog|SunloungerFrog]] the 80+% copy of an '''all rights reserved''' source is way over the threshold, and there's nothing worth keeping without that, so I've deleted on G12. I'll post coi warnings too [[User:Jimfbleak|<b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b>]] - [[User talk:Jimfbleak|<i style="font-family:arial;color:green">talk to me?</i>]] 14:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Jimfbleak|Jimfbleak]] thanks for your help! [[User:SunloungerFrog|SunloungerFrog]] ([[User talk:SunloungerFrog|talk]]) 14:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

:::[[User:SunloungerFrog|SunloungerFrog]] I've posted COI welcome messages and tagged the accounts with AFG-sock warnings [[User:Jimfbleak|<b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b>]] - [[User talk:Jimfbleak|<i style="font-family:arial;color:green">talk to me?</i>]] 14:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::::And if it is a series of sockpuppets you're dealing with on the articles, than you should know where to [[Wikipedia:SSP|report it]]. <span style="color:#7E790E;">2601AC47</span> ([[User talk:2601AC47|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/2601AC47|contribs]]) <span style="font-size:80%"><span style="color:grey;">Isn't a IP anon</span></span> 15:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

:::::{{u|2601AC47}} there are half a dozen SPA accounts editing this article between 2007 and 2021. Most of the account names are obviously similar, and I agree with [[User:SunloungerFrog|SunloungerFrog]] that there is no real attempt to evade scrutiny, but none of the accounts seem to have had COI or multiple accounts warnings until today. [[User:Jimfbleak|<b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b>]] - [[User talk:Jimfbleak|<i style="font-family:arial;color:green">talk to me?</i>]] 15:43, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

== Named reference in infobox, unsure how to access ==

I'm trying to access citations in [[Template:Infobox_darmstadtium]] and finding that they aren't ever defined elsewhere. For example:

 <nowiki>|electrons per shell comment=''(predicted)''<ref name=Haire/></nowiki>

There's no other references to '''Haire''' in that article except further calls of the citation. How can I find the code it's referring to?

The wikidata items for both [[d:Q1266|Darmstadtium]] and the [[d:Q8085511|infobox page]] don't have the reference either.
[[User:Corsaka|Corsaka]] ([[User talk:Corsaka|talk]]) 17:24, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

:This seems to stem from [[Special:diff/prev/517147780|this edit]] in 2012, when the reference named "electron-configuration" was renamed "Haire", with no explanation. The template thereafter started reporting that Haire" was multiply defined - though I don't see another definition of it.
:My guess is that at that point it was in a transcluded template, but I'm not sure which; and the definition was later removed from darmstadtium, and later still removed from whichever included template had it. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 18:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:OK, the definition of ref name "Haire" was removed in [[Special:Diff/prev/882647753|this edit in 2019]], and the template stopped reporting a duplicate reference when you look at it. 
:That version still has citations of "Haire", so it must still be defined somewhere in scope; but I don't know where. Presumably it's now been removed from wherever it still was. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 18:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::Luckily, I've found it! The infobox has a small [[List_of_data_references_for_chemical_elements|references]] button that contains several lists worth of references for all this data. I've found the exact reference on [[Electron_configurations_of_the_elements_(data_page)|the electron configuration data page]].
::I still don't fully understand why <code><nowiki><ref name=Haire/></nowiki></code> links directly to it, though, so if anyone has further insight, that'd be appreciated.
::[[User:Corsaka|Corsaka]] ([[User talk:Corsaka|talk]]) 18:37, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:::If both the defining citation and the calling citation end up on the same page (eg by being in separate templates that are both transcluded) then I think they will match up. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 18:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::::Is it possible to see which pages the current page is transcluding? WhatLinksHere does the opposite, only showing pages that transclude the current page. There's a light inconsistency between the two citations that I've only just seen, and now I'm curious as to where exactly this is coming from. [[User:Corsaka|Corsaka]] ([[User talk:Corsaka|talk]]) 19:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Corsaka}} See "Pages transcluded onto the current version of this page" at the bottom of the edit window. For a preview it lists what the preview is transcluding. The Haire ref is from [[Template:Element-symbol-to-oxidation-state-data]]. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 22:24, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
: Hi guys, you may try 'advanced' searching for {{code|1=insource:"Haire"}} in the 'Templates' space. I would be happy to do it for you, but it's quite annoying task to perform on my mobile's screen. --[[User:CiaPan|CiaPan]] ([[User talk:CiaPan|talk]]) 18:40, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

== Friends Church (Yorba Linda) ==

Could someone please take a look at my comment at [[Talk:Friends Church (Yorba Linda)]]? I would prefer to not edit that page myself because I know some people who go there and want to avoid the appearance of a COI. That and I pretty much don't edit articles any longer for reasons I won't go into here. Thanks! --[[User:Guy Macon Alternate Account|Guy Macon Alternate Account]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon Alternate Account|talk]]) 17:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

:Sure! The job has been completed, and all of the updates have been made. [[User:Midtv22342|Midtv22342]] ([[User talk:Midtv22342|talk]]) 19:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

== User Page CSS Help ==

I am an avid user of the Simple English Wikipeida and have helped out with the editing on Simple English and this Wikipedia. I am working on copying my User Page onto this Wikipedia, and one of my CSS styles on the [[User:Midtv22342|page]] are giving me errors about how the CSS has to be sanitized. Is this intended behavior? If it is, how do I "Sanitize" the CSS? Thanks in advance.     [[User:Midtv22342/EmojiRain.css|Link to the CSS]] 

[[User:Midtv22342|Midtv22342]] ([[User talk:Midtv22342|talk]]) 19:54, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|Midtv22342}} It's intended and can only be done by an interface administrator. You can place this on the talk page:
<pre>{{Edit interface-protected}}
Please change the content model to sanitized CSS. ~~~~</pre>
:[[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 22:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:: Or you can wait for a iadmin who happens to be watching the help desk to change the content model for you ... [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 22:07, 21 November 2024 (UTC)